User talk:Thryduulf

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For your help with April 21, 2005 Stubsensor cleanup project you are hereby given the Stubsensor award.
I hereby award you the RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar for your heroic efforts in repairing and repelling the Willy on Wheels vandal — Bratschetalk 5 pillars (KC)
This PSY is awarded for being polite, courteous, and extremely helpful to myself and other users, and as such bieng a blessing for good mental health. Awarded by PhatePunk 22:35, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
For your excellent contributions to Wikipedia - it is those little things that make all the difference :-) --HappyCamper 20:02, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
I am giving you this banner star for all of your work at WP:RFD - Tideflat (talk) 01:58, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
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is hereby awarded to Thryduulf for all the work put into contributing at Redirects for Discussion and maintaining the navigational parts of the project. Quiet background work that very few see, yet it has a great effect on the projects readers! Thanks for your work in the area, Taelus (talk) 23:22, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
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is hereby awarded to you, Thryduulf, for closing nearly an entire page of discussions, but more importantly, for all of the other thankless jobs that you do. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 21:26, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
I'd like to echo these thanks, as I think we are some of the only admins who set foot in RfD these days :P. Thanks for helping with the backlog, all the best. --Taelus (talk) 13:44, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
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Thank you so much for helping me with an article (I'm a beginner.) I have no idea what I'm doing but you helped to keep my article up after it was deleted. You also checked back up on it when the references were deleted, I just checked and saw you even helped me on listing them too, I wasn't sure how to do that either. Anyway, thank you. :] Ohthegunsofbrixton (talk) 18:33, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
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For exhibiting rational judgement on a certain list which caused considerable overreaction and worse case scenario concerns. ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 19:07, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
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Thanks for your (re)-explanation of why it [the Selby Wall redirect] was pointing where it was and why it should point to where it's now pointing Tonywalton Talk 00:11, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
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I hereby award User:Thryduulf this shiny Redirect Barnstar for their excellent work at WP:RFD. Lenticel (talk) 08:57, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
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For your unfailing patience and kindness dealing with VisualEditor related problems and the users struggling with them :). (also for the fantastic car analogy). Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 13:00, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
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I appreciate I already gave you a barnstar for it, but I've just looked at the feedback page for the first time since stepping off my flight, and wow: you deserve another one :). Thanks for all you've done for the VE project thus far. Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 21:59, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
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The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar
For sterling work above and beyond the call of duty at WP:VE/F. You're always there, logging defects, updating replies and always with politeness and calm. NtheP (talk) 09:51, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
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thinking of options
Thank you for quality pictures uploaded, for nominating to the news, for taking care of redirects and projects, for helpful proposals and thinking of options ("I can think of at least two options"), - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:34, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

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Yay! You're here at the [Wikimedia UK] office! Katherine Bavage (WMUK) (talk) 15:27, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
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You put absolutely hours of work into [the WMUK Members' Survey] and I am so so grateful! Really looking forward to finding out what worked and what didn't and making the results useful to the chapter! Thank you so much! Katherine Bavage (WMUK) (talk) 12:14, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
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Arbitration Committee cases are inherently complicated matters. That your analysis of the case resulted in a suggestion widely accepted by participants and arbitrators alike, demonstrates it to be a brilliant idea. Congratulations! MarshalN20 | Talk 14:51, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
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Y'know what...
...Here's a barnstar. Consider this a token of my appreciation, on behalf of the project as a whole, for your contributions to this RfC, and for summarising a horribly complicated discussion into something that people could understand (and which slightly lessened my headache in closing it!). HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:24, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
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Thanks for the MASSIVE amount of work and time you put into the 2013 Membership Survey. It's really excellent and I hope its something [WMUK] builds on :-) Katherine Bavage (WMUK) (talk) 15:38, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
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Thank you very much for all your hard work on Wikipedia Takes UCL last week. It was an event from which we've taken many lessons and I believe that a good number of people had a very positive experience from it thanks to you and the team you managed to coordinate. Here's to the next one! ToniSant (talk) 08:11, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
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Chris, I'm indebted to you for your help at the Marjon event. Gil asked me to pass on her thanks in particular for your "excellent and clear explanations of the technical aspects of copyright". Next time I'm looking for helpers for an event, you'll be top of my list. Thanks again, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:21, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Thryduulf[edit]

Tx for supporting my Arb motion. Lately it occurred to me however the crux of the problem was probably not so much kafkaeske conditions being imposed on someone, but that person unscrupulously imposing them on others. No amount of arbcom remedy (rewrites) would probably change that.

I had hoped at least ArbCom would have reminded the person that also remedy 3.3 of the infoboxes case is still in force (no battleground behaviour!). Maybe some day the person understands. Maybe not. But from my side, no regrets the motion has been canned. --Francis Schonken (talk) 16:00, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

The problem from my point of view is that the arbitration sanctions have instead of stopping the infoboxes dispute's impact on the encyclopaedia it has made it worse by requiring WP:OWNERSHIP and all the battleground behaviour that comes with that. I have hopes that one day the committee will see the mistake that it has made and act. Instead it has yet again refused point blank to even consider the possibility that it isn't all sweetness and light - very much a head in the sand attitude. Thryduulf (talk) 22:19, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
Yes, agree. Under current conditions they are leaving the work to us chickens every time we come across such ownership-oriented editors, to get the situation defused. I'll be still more uncompromising on ownership issues from now on I suppose, at least that's what I took from the arbcom motion proceedings I initiated. --Francis Schonken (talk) 07:46, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Guy Fawkes Night cheers![edit]

You're a day early, but thank you! Thryduulf (talk) 21:56, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
I see almost everything coming ahead, as if it were laid down in the stars or a ready-reckoner, or perhaps calendar, my child. It is all written in the stars, and in this diary my aunt gave me. The only exception to my plan of life is whatever the wife says, for that will be done, whether I like it or not, but is never predicted by the oriel. Si Trew (talk) 22:10, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

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Wooton House image on Commons[edit]

The picture of Wotton House on Commons for which you reverted my change is of the one in Surrey. It should not be given the category Wotton House because that one is in Buckinghamshire. Thats why I removed it. I suggest you do now.Plucas58 (talk) 17:10, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

I've undone my edit. It was the combination of removing that category and the removal of the The Iron Bridge category from another image that made me think this was in error. Thryduulf (talk) 19:56, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
I might have a pic for Wootton House which I can freely share (taken by my family). Can you ping me to remind me. I think it is about 1959. Si Trew (talk) 16:21, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biographies[edit]

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RfD nov 9 10 and 11[edit]

Any idea why they are missing on these dates? Did I do somethng by mistake to knock them out? I don't want to bother you unnecessarily but it seems a bit odd to me. Si Trew (talk) 16:19, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Erm, afaict they are not missing. Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 November 9, Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 November 10 and Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 November 11 are all blue links for me. They will not be transcluded onto the main RfD page until that day (i.e. tomorrow UTC for November 9). Thryduulf (talk) 16:35, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, I think I am a complete idiot, since it is (was) only 8 November. Si Trew (talk) 01:01, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks (RfD)[edit]

Thanks for fixing the RfD template at the Awake! redirect. Twinkle failed to automatically add the template, and it's been so long since I've done it manually that I'd forgotten which template was the right one.--Jeffro77 (talk) 07:44, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

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Awake (RfD) - thanks[edit]

Thanks for that revert, I must have slipped and saved it by mistake, was not my intention to subvert the discussion. Si Trew (talk) 08:57, 12 November 2014 (UTC)


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Thanks for your input on the wiki markup RFD![edit]

Hey Thryduulf, I just wanted to reach out and say thank you for taking the time to analyze the status of the huge amount of redirects that I had nominated. At this time, I have nothing to debate or add to your comments. (However, that may be subject to change if I have more time, or if I think of something else.) I also wanted to come here to say ... if you believe that my nomination would be better off going through the RfC process in one way or another, I will in no way oppose. (I thought that the technical complications behind these redirects would have been merit enough for the majority of these to be clearly deleted, so thus, I didn't nominate then separately. [Though I was unsure about nominating '', considering that its usefulness is blatantly obvious, but ended up nominating it anyways since it falls in the scope of my concern regarding all of the redirects I nominated.] However, I also believe that if one person thinks this way, then there are most likely others who think the same.) Steel1943 (talk) 00:27, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

No I think RfD is the correct process to use for these. If I was nominating this many though I'd probably have broken them into chunks (perhaps alphabetically) and nominated them over several days to make it easier to digest - but that might have resulted in less input and/or just "per yesterday" type comments so it's a toss-up who is right.
Generally I don't see the need for these redirects, and I would discourage their creation (but as several I've seen have been the result of different people independently trying to achieve what {{italic title}} does, that's not going to do much; and I just know that a title blacklist would get in the way of something somewhere!) but there are ones that are seeing significant use or have some other reason they should be kept. A way to see what traffic is bot driven would help (possibly coming AIUI) and which comes from internal links and which comes from outside Wikipedia would be very helpful though (not possible afaik). Which leaves the requirement to make some educated guesses, and I always err on the side of keeping something if it seems likely people are using it. Thryduulf (talk) 00:55, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

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Proposed Closure of Formula 1 2015 season German Flag dispute[edit]

I have proposed a closure to the dispute as most parties seem to have understand the opposing views and simply disagree with them and there appears to be a consensus, as an uninvolved editor I would appreciate you weighing in here. SPACKlick (talk) 02:12, 29 November 2014 (UTC)