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Alcala street?

I tried looking for Alcala street on the Manila map. Does anyone know in which district it could be? Perhaps it doesn't exist now, but it existed in 1906 (from a birth certificate). --Chris S. 05:00, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Maybe it doesn't exist anymore or its name has been changed. --Howard the Duck 05:10, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Calle Alcala was just north of Plaza Santa Cruz, running from what was then Calle Enrile to Estero Cegado. Its continuation towards Quiapo was Calle Raon, and some time after 1906 that name was given to the whole street. Later it was again renamed as G(onzalo) Puyat.Jim Richardson 20:39, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

I know this street (Gonzalo Puyat), it has a pedestrian overpass on its intersection at Quezon Blvd. at Quiapo. It's at the left side of Raon electronics store. --Howard the Duck 03:00, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks guys. What did you used to figure this out, Jim? Anyway, I understand that this was in Quiapo, then? I am looking for my great-grandmother's and her brothers' baptismal records and that's the street they lived on in the early 20th century, according to one of her brothers' birth certificate. --Chris S. 04:16, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Calle Alcala is shown on the Manila street map included in United States, Bureau of Insular Affairs, A pronouncing gazetteer and geographical dictionary of the Philippine Islands (Washington: United States Government Printing Office, 1902), and its renaming as Calle Raon is recorded in Manila directories of the American period such as Rosenstock’s. I just used Google to pick up its later renaming to Gonzalo Puyat. I think the whole of Calle Alcala would have been in Santa Cruz, though I’m not exactly sure where Santa Cruz ended and Quiapo began.Jim Richardson 18:39, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

idea

I am not sure whether it already exists, but it might be a nice idea to set up a project to create articles about dates and years with Philippine related topics. What I mean: Perhaps it is nice to create pages like 12 June, but then only for Philippine events, births, deaths, holidays etc, for example 12 June in the Philippines. The same for year pages like 1898. It would then be possible to link to these pages from Philippine related articles in stead of the general date or year links. Magalhães 12:32, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Err, is this timeline what you have in mind?--Jondel 12:48, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Why is the graph in reverse order? — Sandtiger 13:00, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

No that's something different. These articles would replace the normal articles about each day and year. So for example: 12 June in de Philippines in stead of 12 June. In the article would be place to list all important Philippine events, births death of Philippine actors, politicians, sports people, etc etc, Philippine holidays and other significant events. It would never be possible/appropriate to include all of this information in the general date page or in the timeline. Magalhães 13:04, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh I see. Is this a precedent? Do they have this for other countries? It might be appropriate for very significant days but not for let's say an obscure councilman's birthday,etc.--Jondel 13:10, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I think, instead of starting 366 new articles, it would be better to just add more Philippine-related information to the existing date articles. TheCoffee 13:21, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

How about 2003 in the Philippines, all the way up to 1521 in the Philippines? That'll be nice. Or maybe adding more dates in this page. --Howard the Duck 13:30, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I did not know that some year pages already existed. That's nice! Let's make more of them. I feel that there might also be a place for dedicated date articles for the Philippines. The disadvantage of adding all the info to the existing date articles would be that there will be way too much information and information you are not looking for. An advantage of special Philippine date pages would be that you can add information about locally famous people more easily than on the general page. I had this idea when I was reading a review of the Philippine-related articles on the Dutch Wikipedia in a magazine. One of the comments was that the links to dates and years led to arcticles with information which was mostly about other parts of the world. Magalhães 13:47, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I was planning to make a "On this week" section at Philippines portal, but if time comes each day has more than 5 events, it can be made into a "On this day" section, then I'll split that page into monthly summaries. --Howard the Duck 13:50, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

That might be another good option. The only disadvantage is that you can not link it in a normal article when using a date somewhere. Magalhães 14:38, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Not again?

Here he goes again...I'm currently exchanging emails with 'the Manolo Quezon III, and it looks like I have found something (and, I guarantee, the information I got from MLQ3 is very, very interesting). Once my correspondence is finish, I'll let you on in (and e-mail the others as well). Thanks --- Tito Pao 04:25, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

What can I say is... Happy Birthday J.P. Rizal! on June 19. --Exec8 04:49, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Heheheh...LoL, you didn't wikify that one, so I did it ;-) --- Tito Pao 04:58, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

MLQ3 confirmed that he did get to talk to rizalninoy, but it appears that he was misunderstood. You can read a quote of the response at Howard's talk page. As for the "interesting" bit...I've decided to keep it to myself in the meantime. Thanks --- Tito Pao 06:19, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

The question now is what category you put Batasang Bayan. --Howard the Duck 07:23, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

I've had enough. I'll leave this to the admins. --- Tito Pao 08:14, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok, what needs to be dealt with? User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 08:20, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

I'll leave my comments on your talk page then. Please hang on for a moment. Thanks! --- Tito Pao 08:27, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

People here have a very liberal (to put it mildly) understanding of what the WP:NPA policy is for. --Howard the Duck 08:45, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Anon with bad grammar is deleting a lot of info from the Visayans article

I wish he or she would just talk about the deletions (clean-up according to him/her) first...

See the history page:

• (cur) (last) 09:16, 12 June 2007 58.106.133.177 (Talk) (12,145 bytes) (I clean this up for valid reasons, pls. do not mess it up again! O.k. have some common sense for godness sakes. Why does'nt people ever used common knowledge and facts. It's very simple.)
• (cur) (last) 09:10, 12 June 2007 58.106.133.177 (Talk) (12,143 bytes) (added expand category. This article does not need to many bullshit statements such as redirect article:See Visayan language blaa blaa. related ethnic groups blaa blaa. Keep it simple.)
• (cur) (last) 09:02, 12 June 2007 58.106.133.177 (Talk) (12,114 bytes) (What happen to this article? It was cleaned up for valid reasons. Now it's all messed up again. Do not be an idiot Chris Sundita. Your revert actions seems biased. What's wrong with you?)
• (cur) (last) 04:39, 12 June 2007 Nino Gonzales (Talk | contribs) (14,385 bytes) (the anon made some deletions which lessened the quality of the article, i think.)
• (cur) (last) 00:43, 12 June 2007 Christopher Sundita (Talk | contribs) m (12,128 bytes) (Undid revision 137423652 by 58.106.130.158 (talk))

I don't usually pick on people's grammar, but this guy is really acting like a jerk. Guys, please help in keeping the article jerk free. --Nino Gonzales 05:07, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

The dab note at the top is incredibly long. Either Bisaya becomes a dab page, or someone creates Bisaya (disambiguation). --Howard the Duck 05:46, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Detailed Philippine presidential and vice-presidential election results from 1946 to 2004 province by province

Those who have a copy of the detailed Philippine presidential and vice-presidential election results from 1946 to 2004 province by province, you can post the detailed presidential and vice-presidential election results to their respective Wikipedia articles or you can also give a copy of the detailed Philippine presidential and vice-presidential election results from 1946 to 2004 province by province to my e-mall address: josephs_dagreat@yahoo.com and then I will the one to post to their respective Wikipedia articles. Thank you.--Joseph Solis in Australia 10:32, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

It's hard to review the Senate and House Journal of the pre-martial law Congress, since some of it are transcribed in Spanish. --Scorpion prinz ^{(Talk | contribs)} 13:39, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

But if one of us here does know Spanish and given enough time, maybe they can help. I'm thinking of Jondel ;-) but there may be others as well. --- Tito Pao 21:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

The problem is I don't know which documents to photocopy. --Scorpion prinz ^{(Talk | contribs)} 02:51, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

The Document need to photocopy is the detailed Philippine presidential and vice-presidential election results from 1946 to 2004 province by province.

It's hard to know which one it is, because most are in Spanish. --Scorpion prinz ^{(Talk | contribs)} 14:02, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

I can understand in Spanish. --Joseph Solis in Australia 09:20, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

What I'm saying is, with the tons of Journals the Congress have I can't identify which ones pertain to the Canvass since most post-war documents are in Spanish, so that I can photocopy them for our perusal.--Scorpion prinz ^{(Talk | contribs)} 13:52, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

I have new idea, Since can I understand the Spanish language, I want that all Journals the Congress have that contains the canvass that you have will photocopy and then will give to me via my e-mall address: josephs_dagreat@yahoo.com and you can give the photocopy via airmail to my address in the Philippines: 615 Del Pilar Street, 6021 Argao Cebu Philippines and after that, I will be the one to post in their Wikipedia articles.--Joseph Solis in Australia 08:49, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

You can't be serious are you? That's like a row of a shelf, and the photocopier is not in the library area, you can only take 3 books out for photocopying at a time. And the photocopier is in the north wing area of congress (library in the south wing area, you can't pass through the Batasan Bldg proper. It's 2 pesos per page. The situation is the same in the Senate, where the public photocopier is not in the Senate bldg, you have to go around to the GSIS office. Ü --Scorpion prinz ^{(Talk | contribs)} 13:50, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

If I have the time, I can stay there for a day and encode them, and just upload them. However schedule doesn't permit. --Scorpion prinz ^{(Talk | contribs)} 13:52, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

It is okay for me that you will be the one will encode the data containing the presidential and vice-presidential election results if the schedule permits you. Thank you.--Joseph Solis in Australia 06:16, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi! The 1946 Vice Presidential Canvass (by province) is now available in the Philippine general election, 1946 article. The Presidential Canvass, however, is not yet finish. Angeles624 15:26, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

New cities

It seems that there are new cities, but I couldn't verify them. Either the plebiscite is not yet held or the plebiscite was finished. --Howard the Duck 16:17, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Based on what I see, all the new cities have conducted their plebiscites (Bogo, San Juan (Metro Manila), Catbalogan, Meycauayan). Carcar, Cebu will have its plebiscite on June 23. --Sky Harbor 22:24, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

The NSCB website updates quarterly, it's almost the end of June, then we'll know what are the changes in our LGU. The latest I think is the merging of two barangays in Tagaytay City. --Scorpion prinz ^{(Talk | contribs)} 02:59, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Dr. Jose Fabella Memorial Hospital

Hi I just obtained my birth certificate and found out all about the interesting 'factory' that I was produced from. Hehe, I believe the paanakan deserves a nice article here--Lenticel ^(talk) 03:26, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I saw this on the news last new year and the place is really affordable. --Howard the Duck 03:50, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

This can be a potential DYK if only it can be made longer. --Howard the Duck 03:51, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Something like "DYK...that about one out of five babies born in Metro Manila were delivered at Dr. Jose Fabella Hospital?". Need to rewrite that, though, to accommodate the "baby factory" tag, it's a plus IMO. --- Tito Pao 06:35, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Kulintang Article DOA for a FA. Help.

About getting something featured related to the Philippines...

I tried getting the kulintang article through last march. Basically, the only thing that stopped the article from going thru was a good copy edit. Suggestions were for me to place it at the Wikipedia:WikiProject League of Copyeditors/proofreading#Requests_for_FAC_and_FAR.

I did that three months ago and recently (6/19) they removed it because it failed FAC... waiting to be copyedited by the LOC for request for FAC ironically.

I believe this is the best chance for another Philippine-related FA article to make it but I see no reason for me to nominate it again if I can't get anyone at the LOC to look at it.

If anyone has some thoughts... go ahead... my patience with the LOC is wearing thin. I really have no time to wait months and months for nothing. PhilipDM 16:12, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

You don't necessarily have to go to the LOC for copy-editing, and I'm a bit impatient myself with the Aviation WikiProject for not taking action on rating Iloilo International Airport as another example of WikiProject inaction. Copy-editing does not necessarily have to emanate from the LOC; try asking other editors. --Sky Harbor 04:33, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

[[Category:Filipino_inventors]]

Hi guys, let's fill up this category. Para may kasama naman si Mang Ernie. Lenticel ^(talk) 03:54, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Sigh... Plano ko pa naman damihan ito. Anyways, some inventors have controversies around them (some did not invent at all!) so carefully choose your refs--Lenticel ^(talk) 04:03, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Territorial map of the Philippines

I was wondering where this could be placed: Image:Ph Territorial Map.png, based on [1] and [2]. --Scorpion prinz ^{(Talk | contribs)} 05:53, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Probably on Geography of the Philippines? -- Jojit fb 00:40, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Getting WMPH moving further forward

Project sub-pages in Wikipedia:Meetup for meet-ups in Manila are now available. Please visit the main page - Wikipedia:Meetup/Manila. A template was also made to consolidate all meet-ups in the Philippines (see Wikipedia:PhilWiki Meetup Box). In the future, there could be a page for Wikipedia:Meetup/Cebu. - Jojit fb 03:48, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

I have move the discussions regarding our second meeting at Wikipedia talk:Meetup/Manila 2. - Jojit fb 06:37, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

I encourage everybody to participate in this meeting. Please post your replies to Wikipedia talk:Meetup/Manila 2 --Exec8 06:00, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Due to lack of interest by some of our wikipedians, I might drop plans to attend this meetup and devote time to some things else. --Exec8 09:04, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I left comments at the meetup talk page which may convinced you to think otherwise. --Sky Harbor 14:09, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Randy David

Guys could you help me with this article. Last time it was here it was speedy deleted due to notability but I'm pretty sure he is.--Lenticel ^(talk) 09:30, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Naming conventions for cities

After seeing Talk:City of San Fernando, Pampanga, isn't it a better idea to drop "City" altogether except for HUCs, ICCs, and cities named after their mother provinces and instead use the convention we use for municipalities, like instead of City of San Fernando, Pampanga and Malabon City, we use San Fernando, Pampanga and Malabon City, Metro Manila. The only cities which will be exempt are Manila and Quezon City. --Howard the Duck 05:22, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Well we shouldn't be altering the way we do things just to conform to the way America does things. In the US any place that has a mayor is called a city, even if it just has 5 people. In the Philippines a place is called a city if it reaches certain requirements, and these places actually do appended the word "City" to their names. TheCoffee 05:42, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Well for one thing, instead of the mouthful "City of San Fernando of Pampanga," many use the simpler "San Fernando, Pampanga." And leaving out the province's name may give the impression that the city is not a part of the province. --Howard the Duck 05:58, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I rather have HUCs without the name of the provinces theyre in. For ICCs and Component cities, maybe have the provinces. As for San Fernando, Pampanga, addresses in the city reflect City of San Fernando, Pampanga (it's their naming convention to distinguish it from the one in La Union. --Scorpion prinz ^{(Talk | contribs)} 08:15, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but it still confusing. If you strip them of their provinces' names, you'd leave "City of San Fernando" and "San Fernando City", still confusing. You're right about HUCs and ICCs (that was part of my original proposal). For example, the name San Jose del Monte City implies that that place is not a part of Bulacan when it is. Ergo, rename it back to San Jose del Monte, Bulacan. --Howard the Duck 11:40, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Philippine Literature

I have been searching for Philippine literature-related topics (tula, parabula, pabula, atbp.) but I only managed to get into forums wherein "resourceful" students were asking for the definitions and samples about the said topic. Can't we start a wikiproject for this? Also, important persons in Panitikang Pilipino should also be included. I also think it is better if we do Tagalog input for these then just have them translated to English.

If this project pushes through, alas, all the Filipino assignments will say the same! hehe. Bembenenot 22:37, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

If you think this deserves a WikiProject, make sure you have enough people to make one first, then establish the project. You can also try translating the articles on the Tagalog Wikipedia to English from Tagalog. --Sky Harbor 03:13, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

I've been suggesting for a while that there be a Wikiproject:Philippine Mythology but since this would be covered by that, I'd be very happy to support this. :-) As a Mythopoeic writer I'd be most interested in contributing to Myths and Legends in Philippine Literature. My user page already has a list of references I've gathered. I just need time so I can make writeups. (which will require reading time because I only recently purchased - or "piratephotocopied" most of those references. Whoops. incriminating evidence. hehe. scholarly use naman po, strictly noncommercial) Alternativity 05:52, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Kut-kut

Is there anyone here from Samar and/or who has access to published information about art techniques of that province? There's an AFD going on - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kut-kut - because, apart from one US-based artist, we can't find verification for the history (existence, even) of a traditional artform called kut-kut. Gordonofcartoon 02:47, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

As I've mentioned in my follow-up comments in the AfD, Ate P doesn't think this is verifiable (she's from the Visayas). Any comments from our friends from the South? --- Tito Pao 07:44, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the input... I closed the discussion as delete. If somebody does come up with verifiable information, we can re-create the article. Sancho 21:55, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Butse Kik

The song got prodded but I believe it just need some refs. I manage to get some refs for it but the news articles are about Yoyoy's death and the song is just briefly mentioned so I discarded them. Okay, I'm familiar with the song but I'm not around yet when the song gave its full impact--Lenticel ^(talk) 04:20, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I just did. Ang hirap maghanap ng news article, puro blogs at lyrics database ang mga GHits sa Butse kik >=( --- Tito Pao 07:42, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Proposal to Divide the Province of Quezon

There is a proposal to divide the province of Quezon into two: Quezon del Norte and Quezon del Sur. According to Quezon Representative Lorenzo “Erin” Tañada III, the proposed legislation had already been passed by the Senate and was only awaiting the signature of President Macapagal-Arroyo for it to become a law.[3]

Under the propoasal, Quezon del Norte will be composed of Lucena City (as capital) and the following municipalities: Burdeos, Gen. Nakar, Infanta, Jomalig, Lukban, Mauban, Pagbilao, Patnanungan, Polillo, Real, Sampaloc, Tayabas, Candelaria, Dolores, San Antonio, Sariaya, Tiaong.

On the other hand, Quezon del Sur will be composed of the following towns Agdangan, Buenavista, Catanauan, General Luna, Macalelon, Mulanay, Padre Burgos, Pitogo, San Andres, San Francisco, San Narciso, Unisan, Alabat, Atimonan, Calauag, Guinyangan, Gumaca, Lopez, Perez, Plaridel, Quezon, and Tagkawayan.Angeles624 22:16, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

A plebiscite must still be conducted to ratify it. President's signature isn't enough to put it into effect. --Scorpion prinz ^{(Talk | contribs)} 01:41, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Upcoming plebiscite in Luuk, Sulu to create a municipality of (i forgot) i came across it yesterday reading the PDI. Also plebiscite in Lapu-Lapu City for its conversion into an HUC. --Scorpion prinz ^{(Talk | contribs)} 01:55, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Aaargh. There should be a moratorium on creating new LGUs. They mostly only serve the interests of the politicos wanting to cement their fiefdoms. --seav 04:03, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm betting this will be approved. There should be a minimum turnout for these plebiscites. --Howard the Duck 04:15, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't come as a surprise. My hometown was converted into a city with less than 10 percent of the total number of registered voters (8,000+ voting "yes" as compared to the nearly 100,000 registered voters). --- Tito Pao 07:10, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Lol, amen to that. I didn't even know it was already a city until I saw it here. Shrumster 12:00, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Please translate this into English

Hi, I am having a hard time translating this question (in Tagalog) into English: Pang-ilan si Gloria Macapagal Arroyo sa mga Pangulo ng Pilipinas?

(Who is the 14th President of the Philippines? is not the correct translation).Please help me. Thanks! Angeles624 12:21, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

This is the closest I could get, so far:

Chronologically, what is the rank of Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo among the presidents of the Philippines? (You may have to add a follow-up/"suggestive" question such as Is she the 12th or the 13th? Well, something to that effect... Dragonbite 19:52, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

OR: Chronologically, where does Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo rank among the presidents of the Philippines? Dragonbite 19:57, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

What is the order of Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo's succession as the Philippines' president? --Scorpion prinz ^{(Talk | contribs)} 04:20, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

On what order is GMA chronologically? --Howard the Duck 05:18, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Howard that didn't make sense... lol... peace! --Scorpion prinz ^{(Talk | contribs)} 18:45, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

What the? I thought that was the nearest English translation possible? See Chronology. --Howard the Duck 02:48, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

The word you're looking for is How manyeth but it doesn't exist in English (well Google has 600+ hits for this phrase. lol). German has "Wievielte" so they'd say "Arroyo is der wievielte Präsident?" I would go for "Which president is GMA? The 10th or...?" --Chris S. 16:05, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

I originally heard this as a joke, or at least a play on the limitations of translation, and was not supposed to be answered... but since you are already killing it... I'd go with Howard the Duck's answer but making it more accurate... "On what order is GMA chronologically among Philippine presidents?" or (my geeky follow-up joke to this...) "If GMA is the xth president of the Philippines, what is x?" --Nino Gonzales 15:38, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Role of women in the Philippines article

Hello there. There is a suggestion that the article Role of women in the Philippines be renamed as Women in the Philippines. Please kindly participate in the discussion. This article was created from the WP:TAMBAY's requested articles list. Thanks. Dragonbite 21:45, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Latest DYKs on Main Page

Hi. Please kindly place these within WP:TAMBAY's DYK appearance notice column:

1. Lorenzo M. Tañada, DYK appearance: 14 July 2007
2. Women in the Philippines, DYK appearance: 16 July 2007

These articles were created from WP:TAMBAY's requested articles. Thanks. Dragonbite 03:53, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Added the articles. However, I don't know how to input the dates next to them--Lenticel ^(talk) 06:36, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Lenticel, for adding them to the WP:PINOY display box. Dragonbite 17:30, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Have you heard of Wikipiniana?

Wikipiniana is apparently a new site that seems to be like Wikipedia but for Filipino topics. It's currently a full-fledged fork of Philippine-related topics from Wikipedia. What say you? --seav 03:13, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Should we sign-up there as well? hehe. =) -- • Kurt Guirnela • ‡ ^Talk 03:26, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I think it's a complete waste of effort seeing as they've adopted Wikipedia's philosophies (e.g., NPOV) and policies wholesale. They've already got several active contributors--who could've been Wikipedians instead. We really need to get Wikimedia Philippines going. --seav 03:30, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

We do have a Philippines Wikia with 2 articles. --Howard the Duck 04:10, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

But Wikia is designed to be a commercial endeavor that is sponsored by ads. It can co-exist with Wikipedia. Wikipiniana, on the other hand, seems like duplicated effort. --seav 04:38, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

We can make it a dumping ground of deleted articles though. Some Philippine-related articles which were deleted can be "transfered" there. --Howard the Duck 04:44, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

(resetting indent) Hmm...okay, since some of the articles were lifted from this site, do you think we might consider this as a fork of WP? --- Tito Pao 06:04, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

If they ripped off articles from here, they should say where it came from. --Howard the Duck 06:21, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. -- • Kurt Guirnela • ‡ ^Talk 06:33, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Yep, they took articles from Wikipedia and took it correctly. There's a link to the original Wikipedia article at :the bottom and they're licensed under the GFDL. So they're technically a fork. --seav 09:31, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I would call them a fork. If WMPH were established, we should include Wikipiniana in its scope. Or if not, we should encourage "Wikipinianians" to join Wikipedia. --Sky Harbor 09:43, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, I joined the community and peppered it with references to Wikipedia. I've started tagging my maps (e.g., this physical map of the Philippines) that they included there and pointed it to my user page and to Wikipedia. I've also put up Wikipedia-cheerleading prose on my user page there to convince Wikipinianians to contribute to Wikipedia instead. I think we should all do the same. And tagging TheCoffee's locator maps would also help. --seav 19:04, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Bad news for WMPH. They've recently registered WikiPilipinas.org, WikiPhilippines.org, WikiPilipinas.org, and WikiPinas.org. --seav 03:24, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

That would be bad. We have to register all Wikimedia-related domains (including the key www.wikimedia.org.ph) and possibly invite them to discuss WMPH-related stuff. I also feel sad that editors on Wikipiniana are also, according to this poll on their forum, supportive of making an identity separate from Wikipedia. I don't want a Spanish Wikipedia-Enciclopedia Libre controversy to break out here. --Sky Harbor 12:11, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Anyway, you guys might want to read my blog entry about Wikipiniana. You might find the visitor comments interesting. --seav 08:14, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

" We love to compete, and we believe that competition brings out the best in us. "--Exec8 12:29, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

The best way to defeat an enemy is to make him an ally. Good for real wars, strategy games and maybe in this situation as well.--Lenticel ^(talk) 12:34, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

You guys are really good in what you are doing and we all love Wikipedia, but I think as fellow Filipino, putting your fellowmen down is kinda having a "crab mentality" attitude. They want to do it, fine.. maybe they have their own reasons and we respect that. I visited Wikipiniana twice already and I found that there are "fork" articles that made it to balloon that fast. But I have noticed that they were trying to redefine an encyclopedia based on contents the wikipinians have contributed and still contributing.

Seav, Putting commentary narrative(can be considered as vandals) in a wiki site to promote something is a "no-no" to wikipedia's policy and I think they have the same,too. So it's not possible that moderators or editors can just erased that instantly and may brand you into something else. If they want to waste resources, fine! its not our loss anyway, but we never know what entice these volunteers to contribute to Wikipiniana instead to Wikipedia. Can this be considered as a break-away from Wikipedia? 122.52.32.190 07:26, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

More or less it could, but for something to be considered a breakaway in this sense requires that existing Wikipinians were Wikipedians first (i.e.Spanish Wikipedia-Enciclopedia Libre controversy). Before Filipiniana.net even considered making Wikipiniana, I wish they considered Philippine content on Wikipedia first. But then again, if that's how Gaspar Vibal and (possibly) his affiliated publishing companies want it, let them be. --Sky Harbor 09:18, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Sigh. Michael, I'm sure it's you commenting here since you brought up the "crab mentality" argument on my blog also. Yes, it's not our loss if they "want to waste resources" but I'm really concerned with the waste of effort due to duplication. Now it will be about doubly hard maintaining the quality of the same articles in both Wikipedia and Wikipiniana. --seav 09:22, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

So they're claiming they're not a fork yet they use Wikipedia content? --Howard the Duck 11:47, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

The name is terrible, but, man, the site of the parent org, www.filipiniana.net, is amazing! I was giddy with geeky joy as I was browsing through the sources they have made available online!

But going back to Wikipiniana. (again, the name is terrible... the most imporatant part of filipiniana is filipin!) At first sight, it seems to be a needless redundancy to Wikipedia. But considering the sources in filipiniana.net, I think the filipiniana wiki (I can’t stand its official name) can have its own niche. I think it could be the biggest open source collaborative research infrastructure in Philippine history! (I mean that in both senses). The value proposition of the filipiniana wiki, I think, is that you can do original research, something you couldn’t and shouldn’t do in Wikipedia, and something which is sorely lacking in Philippine scholarship (we need more historians!) I’m singing up now! --Nino Gonzales 02:39, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

There's a reason why Original Research is frowned upon, especially in open edit softwares like Wikis. Berserkerz Crit 05:59, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I could understand NOR in Wikipedia or any encyclopedia, but I don't see why wikis could not be used for collaborative research (in fact, they are). And if software and enclyclopedias can be created with the opensource model, I don't see why original research couldn't. --Nino Gonzales 15:41, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

A semi-official response from Wikipiniana

The following statement was posted by Wikiboy, one of their sysops, on my blog entry. --seav 21:55, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Chk Chk!… I never thought that a single comment I made could spark a thread this hot! I prefer to keep mum about the issue being raised by Seav ’coz i have a lot of other important tasks to do at Wikipiniana. However, I believe its about time we air our side and clear certain misconceptions…so i am making an exception.

First, let me start by saying that Wikipiniana.org is still in its initial stages of development. In fact, it has not even been officially launched yet! (You’re all invited by the way.) That is why I, being part of Wikipiniana, am flattered by comments, positive or negative, pertaining to our project. I am grateful for the arguments raised here and our team welcomes all suggestions. I assure you that everything is being carefully weighed and considered.

Wikipiniana is a project still under development, envisioned to evolve in a direction determined by the variety and depth of the contributions inputed by Wikipiniana volunteers. Regarding being tagged as ’fork’ of Wikipedia (because some of Wikipiniana’s contents are from Wikipedia), that, we accept, but only for now. These articles are being expanded by a pool of writers, editors, and volunteers with a lot to share about the Philippines. Some of it can’t be accommodated by Wikipedia because of some restrictive policies. And as Wikipiniana moves forward—with the help of a new generation of readers—a new community different from that of Wikipedia’s will be formed inside our pages. Edgier and more exciting content will be developed as our editorial board is tirelessly working to give the site a unique and definitive identity. Editorial policies and other guidelines will eventually be modified.

Wikipedia is a very useful source of information, but let’s face it, it cannot absorb all the information we, Filipinos, have to offer. And while everyone has been talking about neutrality, we at Wikipiniana believe that Filipinos deserve something more. Since the start of contemporary history, the Philippines has been bombarded by writings on us but not by us. Unknowingly, we are actually reading our own history as it is written by foreigners. Fortunately, we were rescued by the likes of Constantino, Agoncillo, and Ambeth Ocampo. It is in this light that we from Wikipiniana hope to give the world OUR take on things. We believe it is about time the world hears what we want to say. We want to give the Philippines and our fellow Filipinos a site to call our own – Pinoy in origin, Pinoy by design, Pinoy by heart.

Wikipiniana is only building a facility for Filipinos to share their knowledge about their own country and it is for free. At present, Wikipiniana allows any substantial articles. Try to visit the site and take a peek of what these volunteers are doing.

Wikipiniana is just starting up guys and we need all the help we can get. Peace to all detractors and thanks to those who aired their support for the Wikipiniana project. I don’t want to argue or make personal attacks on anyone since that’s not how a Wikipedian or Wikipinian works. Wikipinians have welcomed (User:Seav) and (USer:Nino Gonzales) to the site without question. In fact, we would like to thank Seav for his contributions and for his help in sanitizing our contents.

PEACE to everyone… let’s move forward!

A spade is still a spade however they call it, whether they like it or not. --- Tito Pao 00:02, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks/Vwxyz#Wikipiniana. --Howard the Duck 03:49, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Since they want more content, lets just put all the trash (AFDs, SDs, prods) Wikipedia cleans up. --Howard the Duck 02:15, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

We should not do that. Both Wikipedia and Wikipiniana and its readers deserve quality articles. That's my opinion about this matter. Dragonbite 02:28, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Actually, some of the deleted content on Wikipedia aren't that bad, they're just not notable, for example, fringe teen idols and Pinoy BB housemates. If they can't be here, then they can be there. --Howard the Duck 02:42, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm extremely unhappy. At the pace Wikipiniana goes, all Philippine-language Wikimedia projects will be emulated in some form. This I fear will lead to a splitting of communities on all Philippine-language Wikipedias (and Tagalog will end up being split even further into the Tagalog/Filipino and Taglish camps, which I fear the most) due not only to an emulation of effort, but the fact that all or most articles on one Wikipedia will be available on a similar Wikipiniana is quite fearsome. I'm not even quite fond of the names (WikiFilipino, WikiTaglish, WikiKapampangan, WikiPangasinan, etc.), but I'm happy that at least Kinaray-a and Hiligaynon will be unaffected, as well as the Tagalog Wiktionary, Wikinews and Wikibooks. I have a bad feeling that Wikipiniana and affiliated projects will end up filling the WMPH void, which is doubly bad. --Sky Harbor 13:41, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Did you notice that they shut down Wikipiniana and went with WikiPilipinas? Hey, I think these guys have a chance in being a successful Web 2.0 start-up... they actually listen to their users... hehe... Don't worry dude, I get the feeling that they are in this for profit (nothing wrong with that; I've been thinking about it as well). I think they will realize sooner or later that the money is not in connecting knowledge but in connecting people... I bet in a few months you will not see FA status level articles on the Vito Cruz LRT Station but pages on highschools, barkada gimik plans and family histories full of pictures and colorful fonts... And that would be good for Wikipedia... it will be training ground for future Pinoy Wikipedians... once they get wiki editing and collaboration skills, you just need to take care of writing and research skills... --Nino Gonzales 15:56, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure how: some of their lists can be considered highly subjective (hmm...top 10 beauty doctors, tourist spots, unsung heroes, etc.). I just hope nothing bad happens, and with respect to the Philippine-language Wikipilipinas wikis, that communities will not be split. --Sky Harbor 23:09, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

They'll have their official launch on this coming International Book Fair at the end of August. They'll definitely receive some media mileage then and the community split between the two projects will be "official". I suggest we try contacting the organizers and try to come up with some form of arrangement so that the duplication of scope is minimized. I'm hoping for the same kind of arrangement Apple has with the developers of the Konqueror web browser. Apple's web browser, Safari, uses Konqueror's KHTML web rendering engine. Any improvements Apple makes to the KHTML engine is given back to the KHTML development community. If there's a way for Wikipilipinas to bring back substantial improvements to overlapping articles in Wikipedia, then it's a win-win situation for both, right? Who's with me? --seav 02:12, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

I support wholeheartedly. I think a mutual relationship, even if Wikipilipinas tries to distance itself from Wikipedia, would be beneficial to both parties. Hopefully the same will go with WMPH and Filipiniana.org. --Sky Harbor 10:01, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Lol, I wouldn't worry too much about redundancy. They seem to be finding their niche quite well. I find it quite difficult to take seriously an "encyclopedia" that has articles for (purely subjective subject) Cutest PBA Players, (according to who?) All-Time Hunks, Prominent families (based on what?), 10 Most Corrupt Agencies (very misleading since their sole source is a public SURVEY) and Weirdest Creatures. (as a systematic zoologist, I find none of these "weird". Obviously written for a layman, by a layman.) There are tons more unencyclopedic articles. I'm not that perturbed though. They could act pretty much like Zion for the machines in the MAtrix universe. i.e. that's hopefully where the people who would otherwise add unencyclopedic info on WP go. Shrumster 20:35, 1 August 2007 (UTC) </ br> heh, dyan tayo magaling, mag-pirate =D †Bloodpack† 04:29, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Man, it seems it is going tabloid. I had high hopes for it. I'm submitting an article on the "turf war" between Wikipedia and WikiPhilippines to a local tech magazine on Aug 7. Would appreciate your feedback. --Nino Gonzales 07:21, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

I hate this OR thing in Wikipilipinas and you should note this in the article. This new wiki places the contributor at equal footing with academics. At best they might put misleading info, at worst they are spitting at the faces of scholars.

Here is a scholar who spent months or even years to create, prove and finally publish his research paper. Now this WikiPilipinas contributor comes along and says otherwise. Since its "hip" and all, people will believe WikiPilipinas rather than that proven paper. Now that would really be a problem. Your dream of a progress in Phil. history will crumble as people publish historical paper after paper with "I think so" and "I read this on the internet" arguments courtesy of Wikipilipinas.

--Lenticel ^(talk) 09:35, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Wikipedia alone has a lot of trouble with unsourced statements, even with the increased emphasis on reliable sources and the like. In order for WPinas to even approach the level of credibility of WP, extreme measures must be taken to curb the tabloid-like nature of the wiki. And personally, WP doesn't even have that much credibility within the academic and educational fields. I know I don't let my students use WP as a source, and utterly kill them if they do. :P Shrumster 10:39, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

To the best of my knowledge, Wikipedia does not make a guarantee that all articles are 100% reliable. Other encyclopedias make this claim as well; a great number of articles in the 11th edition of Encyclopedia Brittanica contains a lot of information that, if used today, will be certainly erroneous (and, yes, there were also disclaimers on that edition). Even printed encyclopedias will have these disclaimers because facts change and so does the world. The consensus---at least, for some editors---is that Wikipedia should be a starting point of research (see also this and this) and not as the only point of research (that's what the External Links and the References are for). In the first place, WP aims to be a free online repository of knowledge, and this is where we (the editors) all come into the picture: we help build the encyclopedia by contributing knowledge and we also help improve the quality of WP articles by constant revisions and rewrites of articles (not to mention vandal reverts). Having said that, I am still having problems with a "free and hip" wiki that claims to be an encyclopedia loaded with things that are better found in a tabloid. If you are a school teacher or a college professor, would it sit well with you knowing that some of your students will be referencing a site that contains unlikely topics such as "top 10 scams" (defined by what criteria?), "best churches for weddings" (according to whom? to Wikipilipinas' owners? to a professional wedding organizer?) and "sexiest actresses" (according to whom? FHM? Maxim? Uno? your friendly neighborhood barber?)? Unless Wikipilinas wakes up from this honeymoon period and take stock of the trash that is littered all over their place, I can't take their website seriously for now as an "encyclopedia". --- Tito Pao 00:51, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

WikiPilipinas' vision lacks clarity. It is trying to be everything all at once: magazine, putative encyclopedia, pluralistic community forum, soapbox-for-a-day, rumor rag, fight club. It is a pastische of different entities, each of which has been successful on its own, but it remains to be seen whether they will be as successful when smashed together. It is less an organic fusion as it is an unnatural pile-up of knowledge-sharing methodologies taken from Euro-America. In many ways, it is symptomatic and representative of the Philippine condition. --- Augustindira 02:24, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

It's now so gay. --Howard the Duck 02:40, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

And it seems their website is down. --Howard the Duck 02:44, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I hate Wikipiniana as much you do, but please don't use the word "gay" as a pejorative. That ain't cool. ;) Augustindira 05:52, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Gay can also mean happy, since they're into making a hip encyclopedia. Maybe an encyclopedia for hippies, or whatever. --Howard the Duck 06:02, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Comment Their forking is shoddy. It seems like in their rush to excise anything "non-Philippines-related", they neglected a LOT of articles that *are* wikilinked in the articles that they did decide to port over. Took a look around their organism-related articles...each and every description has a ton of red links. If they mean to keep their scope as Philippines-oriented as possible, they're going to have to unlink thousands of red links in the articles that they copied over. Or rewrite everything. Shrumster 09:09, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Further comment They just decided to make a Bikol WikiPilipinas. Great. What about the Bikol Wikipedia? --Sky Harbor 10:18, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't think they'll be that big soon. If and when they start having vandals (when vandals start registering), then they're big. --Howard the Duck 12:02, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

SM City North EDSA

Little help here. The article looks like an advert. I already cut up some of the problematic sections. --Lenticel ^(talk) 06:51, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Damn. Article was kinda acceptable last I looked at it which was...sometime early this year. Seems like a lot of the 122.xx ips have been bulking it with cruft. A lot of the article is now unencyclopedic, for example the lists of shops, movies, etc. I have no idea how to go about cleaning it up aside from a complete tear-down. Shrumster 18:37, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Seems like the 122.xx ips have been vandalizing the TriNoMa article. Sigh. Either employed by the SM people or just plain biased. This is just sick. Pinoys seem to just love taking sides and then bashing the other sides, as can be seen by what happens in the GMA-ABSCBN articles we have here. Just freaking sad. I'll see what I can do to clean up. Shrumster 18:59, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Cleaned up most of the article...kinda. :P Still a bit tinatamad to fix the attractions section. Shrumster 20:42, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Paddy field

In the interest of more balance in the article text, I invite fellow editors to contribute details on paddy fields of the Philippines: technology, characteristics, history, culture, etc. Mumun 無文 14:49, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm not very clear on what the request is. I can think of very few things about rice paddies that are absolutely unique to the Philippines, as rice paddies all over southeast asia (both peninsular and continental) share a lot of similarities. I've contributed what I could in terms of ancient Philippines (not much)and I will be scouring my mythical references soon. But I think most of the technology discussion should go on the main article rather than the Philippines section. If so, that's really not my cup of tea. Any Rice technology experts out there who wanna do that? Or if someone has time, could you help figure out what goes in the main body and what goes into the country sections? I'll do that when I have time, but for now, it just confuses me.Alternativity 13:59, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, if there are editors who can contribute more on the actual technology involved in wet-rice agriculture at Paddy field, that would be great.Mumun 無文 21:50, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Project name translations

Just a question of opinion: should we follow the stance of many non-English Wikimedia projects (notably Spanish and non-Latin script languages) to name projects based on local conventions? I have a contributor on the Tagalog Wiktionary make a Tagalog-language logo to the point of translating 'Wiktionary' to Wiksyonaryo (from Spanish Wikcionario). Should we do the same? --Sky Harbor 13:56, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't see the harm in doing so. --Chris S. 15:45, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

In that case, I propose the following translations for names (in Tagalog; feel free to add other Philippine languages) (UPDATED):

• Wikipedia: Wikipedya (current Cebuano usage)
• Wiktionary: Wiksyonaryo
• Wikinews: Wikibalita
• Wikiquote: Wikisipi or Wikibanggit
• Wikispecies: Wikisari
• Wikiversity: Wikibersidad
• Commons: Karaniwang Wikimedia

I can't come up with anything for Wikispecies and I have a conflict between Wikibooks and Wikisource. Meta needs no translation. Feel free to contribute and help! --Sky Harbor 16:44, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

How about Wikibalita for Wikinews? I was thinking Wikiuri for Wikispecies, but I dunno. --Chris S. 07:53, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikiuri sounds fine, but Wikisari sounds better IMHO (although this can possibly make a problem: sari means both genus and species, while uri means species). In addition to Wikibalita, why not consider Wikiulat as well. For both Wikisource and Wikibooks, I'm torn between Wikiklatan (originally for Wikibooks, but Wikisource is a library), Wikiteksto (Wikisource, but would be an off translation) and Wikimulan (Wikisource). --Sky Harbor 09:38, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I thought about kasarian, but I thought it had to do with more gender. But I like Wikisari. Sounds good. Wikiulat doesn't quite roll off the tongue as Wikibalita does. Hmmm.. as for Wikisource. You're right, that's a toughie. My first instinct tells me to go with Wikimulan since that's the closest. The others are creative, and given the choice of the other two I'd go with Wikiklatan since that gives a user an idea on what it's all about. --Chris S. 18:52, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

What about Wikibooks? --Sky Harbor 11:01, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikilibro? --Chris S. 16:04, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

It has to be plural. Spanish usage dictates Wikilibros, but since the -s plural is not used in Tagalog, we need something a bit more...inventive? I'm not sure. --Sky Harbor 12:02, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, libro can be plural too. As in "nagtitinda siya ng libro" (he sells books). The plural in Tagalog is not always specifically stated, so Wikilibro or Wikiklat could both work. We go by Tagalog grammar conventions, not Spanish, since it technically ceased to be part of Spanish's grammatical and phonological (we say libró instead of líbro) rules. --Chris S. 22:42, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Okay, so this means we have a new updated list (Wikisari for Wikispecies and Wikibalita for Wikinews). How about Wikiquote? --Sky Harbor 12:06, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikisabi? Dragonbite 03:31, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikisabi (lit. Wikisaying), Wikisipi or Wikibanggit? Let's see which one gets the best response. --Sky Harbor 13:54, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikisipi seems to be the most formal--Lenticel ^(talk) 22:02, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

So Wikisipi then? What about Wikisource and Wikibooks? --Sky Harbor 09:39, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

(resetting indent) Wikiklat (Wiki-aklat seems to be a better translation in my opinion). Wikimulan is the best choice so far so I'll go with that. Wiki-galing is playing around my mind for a while but some people might misunderstand it --Lenticel ^(talk) 09:44, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Keeping that in mind, the following constitutes the possible final list (excluding Wikibooks):

• Wikipedia: Wikipedya (current Cebuano usage)
• Wiktionary: Wiksyonaryo
• Wikinews: Wikibalita
• Wikiquote: Wikisipi
• Wikisource: Wikimulan
• Wikispecies: Wikisari
• Wikiversity: Wikibersidad
• Commons: Karaniwang Wikimedia

I was thinking Wikiteksbuk (so much for Filipinization, but what can we do) for Wikibooks, but I don't know if it sounds good. --Sky Harbor 12:00, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

I think we should stick with either Wiki-aklat or Wikilibro. Wikiteksbuk seems to be too slang-y (if there is such a word)--Lenticel ^(talk) 13:45, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

I was thinking Wikiteksto (the Fr. English dictionary also calls textbooks "teksto") or how about Wikiklat-aralin? --Sky Harbor 13:53, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikiteksto sounds like Wikitext, the free SMS encyclopedia :). I think Wiki-aralin translates into Wikistudy.--Lenticel ^(talk) 01:39, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikibooks = Wikibasahin or Wikibasa? or Wikibabasahin or Wikiaklat (with the a) - Dragonbite 02:41, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Manila 2 : The Second Wiki Philippines Meetup

I encourage everybody to join discussions on Wikipedia talk:Meetup/Manila 2. Hint: My birthday is getting close...--Exec8 12:06, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Motivation for moving forward: Wikipilipinas (a.k.a. Wikipiniana) will debut at the 28th Manila International Book Fair on August 29-September 2, 2007. Also, Wikimedia Philippines cannot move forward without this meetup. --Sky Harbor 16:12, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I really wish I could. But I'm miles and miles away right now. Dragonbite 23:29, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Why not set the meeting during and in the bookfare and get to meet the people behind Wikipilipinas (yehey, they changed tha name) as well. --Nino Gonzales 16:02, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

The book fair will be held at the World Trade Center Metro Manila Buendia cor. Macapagal Blvd., Pasay City near PICC. Do you want to meet during the fair? --Exec8 21:19, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

As long as it is a Sunday. PS Bring a bigger Wikipedia logo this time ;)--Lenticel ^(talk) 03:09, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

September 2 is a sunday. --Exec8 04:13, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Sept. 2 is a good date. My shift might change by next week, but since I have more than enough time to prepare, I can find a way to get there. --- Tito Pao 04:22, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

September 2 is good, but when will Wikipilipinas debut? --Sky Harbor 09:40, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I'll be busy doing events with Read or Die Philippines, New Worlds Alliance and The Philippine Order of Narnians at the book fair that day, but i certainly look forward to meeting everyone.Alternativity 18:39, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I will be very very busy this August. September 2 is a good day. Is World Trade a good place to meet? --Exec8 14:47, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

We were offered by the Wikipilipinas people (and may I note by the Gus Vibal, founder of Filipiniana.net and Wikipilipinas) one of the World Trade Center conference rooms. I think this might be a good thing for us, as we might be able to get Filipiniana.net's backing for WMPH. Likewise, we can recognize each other as "equals". --Sky Harbor 06:48, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I move that we meet up during the IBF. --seav 02:05, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I suppose we can. Who can go? --Sky Harbor 12:12, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Motivation

hi, I think we could emulate the Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Assessment/Assessment Drive to liven up the Tambayan. I think there's a lack of enthusiasm here lately. --Lenticel ^(talk) 05:12, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

You people can use {{Wikipedia:Tambayan Philippines/notice}}. --Howard the Duck 06:42, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't mean an assessment drive, I mean that we should have some sort of goal (x number of GA this month or -x less Phil. related stubs). Hardworking wikipedians would then be rewarded with the barnstar that is equivalent to his work--Lenticel ^(talk) 09:25, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Can we create a Tambayan subpage that current contributing status of all active Filipino Tambays? We should create User subpages then transclude them into the Tambayan subpage so that we know who's busy and what Philippine-related stuff they're working on now. A quick and dirty mock-up is shown below. Right now, we don't know what everyone is up to. And so we don't know with whom we can likely collaborate with on very focused subject areas. --seav 09:46, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

seav

• Current Status: Busy in real life. Devoting 3-5 hr/wk on Wikipedia.
• Current tasks: Creating stub articles for the National Artists without any articles yet.

If you insert the template above with all of the necessary options (importance and ratings), it will automatically assign it to a category. Then what comes up in the categories can be added to a new project page so we can follow the contents. --Howard the Duck 11:50, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I was thinking about a sub- projectpage with this set-up:

Wanted article drive:

Participants:

• x- 4 new articles created
• y- 5 new articles created
• z- 22 new articles created

Rewards:

• 5 new start class articles (Phil barnstar)

• 10 new start class articles (Working Man barnstar)

--Lenticel ^(talk) 10:08, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Hm. I'm not Manila based so theres no way for me to attend meetings. But as a contributor does that mean when I create 5 new stub-level articles, I get a barnstar? :-D Sorry, still kinda new even if I've been at this for a while.Alternativity 16:18, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Admin help of restoring deleted pics

Can the admins restore these: Image:Purefoods.gif, Image:NewBAP.jpg, Image:NCAA Philippines new logo.PNG and Image:Mba1.gif since they were updated not by me (hence I wasn't able to receive the warnings) but they were deleted in the wee hours of the morning when I was sleeping and I wasn't able to save them. --Howard the Duck 02:07, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

I need the logos for the following banks restored too (I will insert fair use rationales this time):

• Banco de Oro/Banco de Oro Universal Bank (Image:New BDO Logo.png)
• Bank of the Philippine Islands (Image:BPI Logo.png)
• Equitable PCI Bank (Image:EPCIB Logo.png)
• Land Bank of the Philippines (Image:Landbank.png)
• Philippine Savings Bank (Image:PSBank Logo.png)

I hope they get restored so they can return to their proper articles. --Sky Harbor 09:14, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Please include the following album covers to undelete. I'll put in the proper rationale when undeleted.

• Image:Sitti Live!.jpg (for Sitti Live!)

--bluemask ^(talk) 14:25, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Can we get an admin for this? He'd also need the filenames. Its also funny these FU people are targeting uploads by established members and not those noobs. --Howard the Duck 14:59, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I've restored them all. Just be sure to put in a fair use rationale, or it'll probably get deleted again. TheCoffee 15:03, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Mine haven't been restored yet. --Sky Harbor 23:24, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

I can't believe the nerve of this person for nominating Image:EDSA Revolution pic1.jpg for deletion because it's insignificant? If I still can't convince him of the importance of this image (under fair-use guidelines) then I would need some help. --seav 09:32, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Guys, need backup on this just to add some weight. The proposed deleter seems like a deletionist with an agenda. The guys has already ignored a RfC concerning his constant image-deletion rampages and seems to have been the subject of a recent RfA. Seems like me might need to pull off a mini-EDSA of our own. Shrumster 20:08, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Help with Images of Philippine Legends and Myths

I'm not certain how to get images for the various articles I've worked on... how to find out if there are available pictures for a particular piece. Perhaps I could ask for guidance?

But perhaps more appropriately, it appears there's quite a need for images of Filipino Mythical creatures, and of depictions of Philippine Myths and Legends. Perhaps I could solicit some help in finding or making some? Philippine mythical creatures in particular needs it, and the truth is, most of the individual pages depicting creatures feel sorely lacking because they don't have images.

If you're talking stuff like aswang, manananggal, kapre and tikbalang types, I doubt there are a lot of pics for these out there. Your best bet would be still from local horror movies (which would be non-free images) or draw some. :P Shrumster 18:31, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

hehe I realized the rarity of free images, and I'm not good at drawing, so actually that's PRECISELY what kind of help I was asking for. hehehe. :-D Anybody here who used to draw monsters in high school? wanna open your memory treasure chest? :-D Alternativity 18:40, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I specialize in reptiles and fish. :P Not quite sure if any local monsters fit that bill (no, shokoys are still more humanoid :P). Just realized though, you *can* use vidcaps of movies/series to show how the mythical creatures have made their way into popular culture. Shake, Rattle and Roll, Tiyanak, etc. I'd say that's entirely within the grounds of Fair Use. Shrumster 17:36, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Suggestion: Descriptions have to be expanded. Images are coming in. But help from others will be highly appreciated. Try flickr and fotothing.com or any other website to get permission. Well, of course your illustrations are welcome! Regards. - Dragonbite 05:06, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorta mailing list mechanism for Filipino EN-Wikipedians and Filipino Wikimedians

Just wondering, how often do you guys check the Tambayan? Quite likely that you check it much less than you check your email, right? Also, do you use feed readers/aggregators? I'm thinking of a way to provide an RSS/Atom feed of the history of the Tambayan and subpages. Then via FeedBurner, we can convert the feed into a email subscription list, if you don't use feed readers. Then to reduce the volume, the feed will only provide a daily summary item instead of items for each individual change. We can then do the same for the WikiMedia Philippine pages over at Meta. What do you think? This is so that every active participant can stay on top of happenings. --seav 02:25, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Survey

1. How often do you check the Tambayan?
2. How often do you check your primary emai?
3. Do you use a newsreader/aggregator/feed reader? If yes, how often do you check it?

• 1) 3-4 times a week. 2) daily. 3) yes. daily. --seav 02:25, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
• 1) daily 2) daily 3) what is an aggregator? --Lenticel ^(talk) 04:32, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
  • An RSS aggregator collates all posts made from blogs and other RSS-enabled websites that you visit or read on a regular basis in just a single place. In order to do this, you'll need to get that site's RSS feed, which is just a URL or a link :) --- Tito Pao 07:21, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
    • Ok, so my item 3 is a never then--Lenticel ^(talk) 10:23, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
• 1) daily 2) daily 3)somewhat. daily. -- Dragonbite 04:36, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

• 1) daily. 2) 2-3 times a day. (I get up to 90 emails in a day) 3) yes. daily. (does myYahoo! count? because I get ALL my newsfeeds there)Alternativity 05:49, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

• For all three questions, I get to be online everyday, even on weekends and holidays. So the most likely answer that I'd give for all three questions would be everyday :) On weekends and days off, I get to check it at least twice a day. On workdays, I leave my GMail inbox open (which means it's available for the most part of the day), while I check my other emails and important websites (such as WP) regularly throughout the day (every other break at the minimum (including the free time before and after work), plus at least once when I'm home (both before and after work). The only days I won't be online is, for example, when I'm in an out of town trip, where I'd deliberately shut myself out from the Internet. --- Tito Pao 07:16, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

• 1) 5-6 times daily 2) 2-3 times daily 3) I don't use a feed aggregator. The closest I have ever come to RSS is podcasts on iTunes. --Sky Harbor 08:59, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

• 1) Maybe once a week. 2) Daily 3) Not really, but I do have a RSS plug-in in my browser that I use for select sites. Shrumster 18:28, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

• 1) Daily. 2) daily. 3) yes. daily. --Exec8 21:25, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

1) At least every other day. I try. 2) Everyday. 3) No. --Chris S. 04:40, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Next steps

I'll try to set-up the email notification list and try it with you guys since everyone seems checks their emails daily. We'll first try it out on the Tambayan and so that we can jumpstart the various subpages for this "WikiProject." I'll inform you guys if set-up already. --seav 04:46, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Assesment protocols

I think we should make it a priority to fix the Tambayan's assessment for importance and rating system. Shrumster 18:27, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Do we have an assessment guideline at all? I'm not familiar if there is one. All I know is the template. --seav 04:50, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Created the assessment page at Wikipedia:WikiProject Philippines/Assessment. I have no idea what I just did, but I hope the more template-savvy peeps among you can help bring it up to other Wikiproject's standards? Shrumster 10:39, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Tamaraw

Could someone make a distribution map for the article? It is only found in Mindoro. Thanks--Lenticel ^(talk) 03:42, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

You can use TheCoffee's blank RP map and shade Mindoro. --Howard the Duck 03:54, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Done. Thanks Howard--Lenticel ^(talk) 05:26, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Locator map for Clark

I'd like to make a simple locator map for Clark Air Base, but I don't know the boundaries of it within Angeles City. Does anyone know how I could go about finding out? Thanks, --Chris S. 07:26, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Hmm...how about loading it up on Google Earth, create a screenshot/save an image of the area. Then, import the image as one photoshop layer, trace the outline of the air base on another layer, then superimpose the layer (after discarding the non-free GE image) on a free image and merge/flatten? Shrumster 08:55, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

That's an idea, but that sounds like too much work. lol. Where did the municipal and city boundaries for the locator maps come from? Wasn't there a website? Maybe I could look there first. I'll use your idea as a last resort. Thanks. --Chris S. 09:08, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Clickable Philippine map

I had the time to create this, I don't know where you can place it {{Philippines administrative imagemap}}. --Scorpion prinz ^{(Talk | contribs)} 06:45, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Bravo! Looks awesome - much better than I could have ever done (I attempted it myself a while back). Thanks! :-) --Chris S. 08:20, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

That should've took you the whole day hehehe --Howard the Duck 08:24, 7 August 2007 (UTC)