User talk:HiLo48

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David Hodgett

Well, the disambiguation page does say that "registrar" is a keeper of records, and that's about as much as I know. The page was created as part of a sweep to have articles for all current Australian politicians, and my source was the Victorian Parliament's member bio. It says that he worked as a registrar for various immigration authorities, and when I created the article I was unsure as to which would best suit, so I left it as the link to the disambig. I agree this isn't ideal, but it's the best I could come up with, not being overly familiar with immigration procedures. Frickeg (talk) 22:58, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Helpful hint

Hello HiLo, I see that you're concerned about the recent IP edit warring on Left-wing politics. Have you seen the warnings and notices for user talk pages? You can start with a level 1 template, assuming good faith, and work up from there. Hope this helps.--Pondle (talk) 13:25, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Wow, talk about obfuscation!

Followup. When the BSA let the non-lawyers talk, things get a bit odd. For instance from the previous BSA president, Rick Cronk, in an interview in 2006[1]

Question: Turning to God in the scout oath, does one have to believe in a Christian God to be a Boy Scout?

Answer: There must be hundreds of Gods out there. God in the oath refers to a supreme being of some sort – it's a moral or ethical or spiritual orientation. We don't care if it's Mohammad or Buddha or a rock in Japan. We ask the kids to take the Scout oath and what they do on their own time is up to them.

It is embarrassing that a president of a national youth organization with Muslim, Buddhists, etc. members isn't aware that considering Mohammad as God is blasphemous for Muslims, that Buddhists don't consider Buddha to be a supreme being nor is there a supreme being and followers of Shintoism don't consider a rock in Japan to be a supreme being. It is perhaps more understandable that he doesn't realize some Christian theologians would argue that God isn't a being supreme or otherwise (the word 'being' puts limits on God that shouldn't be there). --Erp (talk) 03:27, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

We really don't want to know does fit; I will point out that the Girl Scouts of the USA are generally more accepting (and have been pilloried by some on the religious right wing for that). You might find the thread at http://www.escouts.org.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=12540 interesting. It mostly deals with the issues from the UK Scouting Association point of view (generally ok on gays, split on atheists). The BSA can be slow to change, it wasn't until 1974 that the last official vestige of racial discrimination was removed (Mormon run troops did not permit blacks to be senior patrol leaders). --Erp (talk) 04:17, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

In response to your statement:

A simple statement of what BSA's policies are would be valid content in a Wikipedia article, if they were clear. Such content would obviously sit in the BSA article. The fact that they're not clear is the reason the Controversies article is so difficult to manage.

The religious and gender polices are quite clear and are codified in the Rules and Regulations of the Boy Scouts of America. Both policies have been in place from the origin of the BSA; the religious policy has changed only to make it gender neutral and clarify the position on agnostics, the gender policy has changed to allow girls into Exploring in 1972 and allow women in all leadership positions in 1988. The homosexual policies arose only during the 1970s, have never been in the R&R and have varied over the last 30 years. My speculation: excluding homosexuals was never an issue when homosexual conduct was illegal; see LGBT rights in the United States. The US laws protecting religious and gender rights are well set while laws protecting homosexuals are a patchwork. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 22:47, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

If you want to convince me the policies are clear, in responding to these comments of mine, you need to be 100% exact and precise.

Again, the religion and gender polices are clear cut. As I noted earlier, the policies related to homosexuals are nothing but clear and have changed radically over the last 30 years. As to whether there exist atheist or homosexual members in the BSA, I have no answer. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 01:55, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

To butt in if I may, the religious policy is far from clear, as is shown from the quote at the top of this section. The policy seems to require a belief in a God, but the BSA allows Buddhists to belong and they certainly do not have to believe in a God. I do not think the BSA accepts some Buddhists and rejects others. I think they believe Buddhists think Buddha is a God, but that is quite mistaken. Buddhists do not believe "in a supreme being of some sort". --Bduke (Discussion) 02:21, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

I think Buddhists are in for two reasons. First, early Buddhist communities in the US often took on some of the trappings of the Christian denominations (e.g., Buddhist Churches of America) and as Bduke mentions many Scouters don't know much about Buddhism. Second and more importantly two countries (one a founder member) in the WOSM are majority Buddhist (Sri Lanka and Thailand) and Thailand with over 1.2 million scouts is one of the larger Scouting organizations in the world. Those two countries use 'duty to my religion' in their promises which neatly sidesteps belief in a supreme being. --Erp (talk) 02:45, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

You might want to look at http://www.bsa-discrimination.org/ . The writer sometimes draws conclusions not supported by the evidence but it is fairly complete. Another source is the Scouts_l mailing list for active scouters which though the three Gs are banned (girls, god, gays) does discuss religious issues, search for things like buddhists, wicca, ... to get a feel for practice. Neither count as really reliable sources for wikipedia. --Erp (talk) 04:16, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Accusations of breaching civility

I would ask you to stop accusing users of "misrepresenting my arguments, or even finding the need to inaccurately rephrase them, are also not behaving very ethically." your statment here [[2]] clearly states (that in you opinion) that the good faith guidelines of Wikipedia have been appallingly breached. You have also (again) acused users of agenda pushing [[3]] as you reapetedly did here [[4]]. I would ask oyu to stop this to and assume the same kind of good faith that you would wish to recive.Slatersteven (talk) 18:26, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

"What it views as"

If you or any other editor wouldn't allow that phrase to be used here (say, between "put an end to" and "discrimination"), then neither does it belong here. Please see WP:WEASEL. Seregain (talk) 11:52, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but your personal views are irrelevant, as are mine. Please follow WP policies and guidelines. Trust me, the whole "what it views as"/"claims to" weasel word has been hashed and rehashed here and elsewhere on Wikipedia many times before. You just aren't going to win this battle. Seregain (talk) 16:00, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, HiLo

Hey, HiLo, thanks for reverting some vandalism on the Focus on the Family page; you're a valuable asset to Wikipedia! Invmog (talk) 03:57, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Re: "A little civility goes a long way." It sure does; glad you feel the same way! Invmog (talk) 05:06, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Spelling in Turing article

I am trying to overcome my abhorrance of US spelling. However, in this case, I think that Wikipedia's guidance (not, I think policy) is clear see: Wikipedia:Manual of Style#National varieties of English--TedColes (talk) 08:46, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Borrowed

I just "borrowed"

?met?This user prefers metric units and cannot figure out why Americans and Brits have such a hard time with them.

I just love it, the Americans are "too bright" (sarcasm) to be able to fathom tha metric system and have the nasty habid of trying to foist their arcane and inane system on others. Peter Horn User talk 16:16, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Tiny Tidy & Wikipedia Punctuation

Hi, I noticed that in the gay article I had edited you put the comma outside the word homosexual. As part of a slightly more important edit, I had just put the comma inside. That got me to looking at the endless world of Wiki policy, which led me to here. Uh-oh, another of the American/British differences (I know you're Australian, so I hope you don't mind my lumping you in with the British). Usually, when I see British spellings, I don't change them, but I had no idea there were also stylistic differences in comma placement. So, is there an actual Wiki rule on this issue, or is either acceptable? BTW, I liked the phrase "tiny tidy." Or perhaps I should say I liked the phrase "tiny tidy". Ouch, that's painful.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:40, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Americans put just about everything inside quotation marks. Trying to step back from my conditioning, I don't think it makes much sense actually. I kind of like the Wiki idea of so-called logical punctuation, but it doesn't really account for the comma business. Apparently, Wiki thinks both your convention and mine are acceptable.

I'm going to live dangerously and leave it the way it is. I'm happy we've both learned something.

As for having to speak American when you come to the U.S., be glad you can do it. Most Americans can't mimic anyone else's accent. Look at all of the non-American, English-speaking film actors who do wonderful American accents, whereas American actors are rarely convincing doing accents.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:47, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Reviewer and rollback

Hi, I've added a couple of flags to your account: reviewer and rollback. I hope you find them useful. Let me know if you have any questions. Regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Soccer Football

In "Soccernomics" the authors report that association football was generally called "soccer" in the UK until the 1970s and it was only after the NASL got "going" in the USA that the usage in the UK changed. I am not sure how authoritative this is but it's interesting. Here in NSW most people seem to use the word "football" to mean what ever the context is ie. they will only use "soccer" or "league" Aussie Rules/AFL when there is likely to be confusion. But then we are, as Dame Edna used to say, soooooo cosmopolitan up here. ;-) cheers Silent Billy (talk) 05:57, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Maaate - I'm open to any suggestions as to the wording. I just want to convey a fact not proselytise. Cheers Silent Billy (talk) 07:57, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Just saw Chipmunkdavis's suggestion in the talk area. I'd go with something like that Silent Billy (talk) 07:59, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

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Thanks for Reverting Section Blanking on Australian Christian Lobby

Hello. Regarding the recent revert you made to Australian Christian Lobby: you may already know about them, but you might find Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace useful. After a revert, these can be placed on the user's talk page to let them know you considered their edit was inappropriate, and also direct new users towards the sandbox. They can also be used to give a stern warning to a vandal when they've been previously warned. Thank you. twilsonb (talk) 03:47, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

FYI, your reverts were [5] and [6]. My revert was [7]. Thank you for fixing this up. I have also warned User:Sam56mas at User talk:Sam56mas#Removing Controversy Section from Australian Christian Lobby. twilsonb (talk) 03:47, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Metric system

Since you're a foreigner, I'm going to assume you've never been in the US for more than a few weeks on vacation (holiday) and therefore don't know our stance on going metric; it basically sums up to four points:

• Replacing the traffic signs in every city, county, and state will not be cheap; it's been tried before and that didn't end too well. The Canadians and Australians got away with it due to having smaller populations, and therefore smaller cities. We have a highly urbanized population of approximately 300 million, while Canada and Australia combined make up just short of 20% of that.
• It doesn't benefit us in any way (measurements are just that; it's not like we're changing to driving on the other side of the road). The way most Americans see it, the idea of the federal government spending billions of dollars just to change road signs sounds like a waste of time, which it is. It's not like using inches and pounds keeps us living in the Dark Ages, even though that's where the system's predecessor originated from. Sure, its easy to learn and convert to, but is the juice really worth the squeeze?
• Anyone born after the late-1980's was most likely taught the metric system in primary school, and therefore has a basic grasp of the system.
• The federal government requires consumer products to be labeled with metric units anyway, so we are a metric nation to some extent. - 71.22.151.202 (talk) 13:05, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

For keeping the baddies at bay...

		The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		Thanks for keeping an eye out for damaging edits. bodnotbod (talk) 10:13, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Feel free to move this barnstar to wherever in your user space you'd prefer to have it. bodnotbod (talk) 10:13, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

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WikiProject North America

76.66.203.138 (talk) 08:06, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Welcome aboard! Sven Manguard _Talk 05:33, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

You are invited to comment

Hello HiLo48, I discovered a post of yours in a discussion about the "pro-life" and "pro-choice" lables. I have been in a somewhat spirited exchange with several of the more experienced editors on Wiki and I would like to invite you to review our conversations and offer your comments as well. Thanks! --Chuz Life (talk) 15:03, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

About Talk:Melbourne University Football Club

Mate, I wouldn't have used a word like "arrogant" in an edit summary. While I would have worded it differently, I still agree with your feelings about the reply.--Shirt58 (talk) 10:11, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Les Murray (broadcaster)

Hello. Why did you identify my last edit at Les Murray (broadcaster) as vandalism? And why would you tag your reversion as a minor edit? —sroc (talk) 22:00, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

I have started a discussion on this at Talk:Les Murray (broadcaster)#.22Soccer.22.2F.22football.22.2F.22association football.22. Please feel free to comment on this there. —sroc (talk) 00:23, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Last North American veterans by war listed at Redirects for discussion

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Xavier (again)

If you'd like to have a go at presenting this in an encyclopedic and neutral manner, with supporting references, I'd be willing to provide any assistance that you might request. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:22, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

2018 CWG

Sorry! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Intoronto1125 (talk • contribs) 16:45, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Qantas

Hello HiLo48 I recently reverted a change to the Qantas article which you then reverted. The change had no edit summary, was the first edit from a user and was clearly wrong. Rather than WP:BITE I reverted the change and left a note on the users talk page and a comment in the edit summary, meanwhile you reverted my reversion. I am sorry but I have reverted again as clearly something as major as a change in company name must be sourced and as the company website still has Qantas Airways we really need a reliable source as if true the change must have happended in the last few days. In my opinion changing it back to the "wrong" version clearly will not help. MilborneOne (talk) 18:58, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Understood no problem.MilborneOne (talk) 21:44, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

AFL

I know you're an AFL fan HiLo48, and that's fair enough. But that's no reason to keep undoing my relevant changes. It's kind of small of you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mattdocbrown (talk • contribs) 05:52, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

I've just put considerable effort into explaining why I reverted. Just as you did with my Edit summaries, you seem to have ignored those reasons. And I didn't mention Australian football. (That's the name of the sport, not AFL. Otherwise we would call your favourite sport NRL.) I'm a fan of soccer too. My basic point is that you're cherry picking to find some area no-one else would consider to try to prove that NRL is better. You also misread a source. Please get it right. HiLo48 (talk) 06:03, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Your main reason you gave was because you considered it trivial. If that's not a judgmental biased POV, then you have little concept of what the word 'objective' means. Yes you're an AFL fan, I get it. You hate Rugby League, which is why you're constantly editing references to it. You don't see me touching AFL notes. The Think TV source clearly lists the 40 games in 2010 that rate higher than 1,000,000. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mattdocbrown (talk • contribs) 06:20, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

And that's entirely trivial and pointless unless you put it in some sort of context, such as a comparison with Union, soccer and Aussie Rules games. As The_Pope pointed out, you similarly claimed some significance for the SOE series audience, when it's the only series of its kind, and the claim in the source made no comparisons outside League. Again, nothing else to compare it with. Whatever my interests may be is irrelevant if you cannot produce meaningful comparisons and indicate the relevance of your claims. HiLo48 (talk) 06:26, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

The context is given in the tv ratings list for 2010 on both TV Tonight and Think TV. Are you claiming that there is a bigger representative sporting event than the State of Origin series? If so name it and prove it is listed by Oztam and RegionalTam (Mattdocbrown (talk) 06:48, 28 November 2010 (UTC))

Please take this discussion to the article's Talk page. That's where it should be. I only posted on your Talk page to get your attention. HiLo48 (talk) 06:50, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Collage at Talk:Man

The conversation regarding more diversified images at this page has restarted if you'd care to be involved. I've been going by the lists of possible alternatives generated last month at the talkpage there. I dug up a few today and am waiting for input from other users before I go any further. My general plan has been to get consensus on a set of 10 to 12 images, and then get consensus on placement of those images into the collage format. Pop in any time and see what you think. Regards, Heiro 21:35, 29 November 2010 (UTC).

Ashes

I agree. If "we" want to talk "traditions" (whatever that may mean), the Boxing Day test was "always" held at Adelaide Oval, (until "they" decided they wanted the higher attendances that the MCG could provide.) Pdfpdf (talk) 10:12, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Humpf! Yeah well. What's that one liner? "Never let the facts get in the way of a good story."? Pdfpdf (talk) 11:21, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

SP

Hello, HiLo! Were you responding to me or to Fcreid???. If him, I'll move my comment below yours to keep it fluid.Buster Seven Talk 11:32, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Your insights and observations are refreshing, especially since they come from outside the opposing American management plans.Buster Seven Talk 23:18, 12 December 2010 (UTC)