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Kala re sy, den ntrepesai ligaki? [[User:Miskin|Miskin]] 12:34, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Kala re sy, den ntrepesai ligaki? [[User:Miskin|Miskin]] 12:34, 3 April 2006 (UTC)<br>
Koita file mou poios paei na mou kanei mathima ithikis. [[User:Miskin|Miskin]] 14:45, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Apetyxes na me pagidepseis Makraki. Pos niotheis tora pou apektises enan exthro? [[User:Miskin|Miskin]] 15:41, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

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I'd like to welcome you to Wikipedia myself and suggest that you may add yourself to the lists of Greek Wikipedians and Multilingual Wikipedians. Etz Haim 08:23, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Greetings from Ireland

Hi Stavros! Nice to see you on the Wikipedia. Evertype 10:48, 2005 Mar 3 (UTC)

Jean Ichbiah article

Yes, I wanted to make a reference to "Louveciennes, France" but because it didn't exist I finally make a link to France. If you encountered it inappropiate change de link to the first location. And if you can, please write a small stub of Louveciennes too (I don't speak french). And thank you for making this article of Jean Ichbiah! --suruena 08:28, 2005 Apr 1 (UTC) – PS: Do you know what is the middle name of Jean Ichbiah? If so, add it to the article. Thank you again!

Ernst Herrera Legorreta

Hi!

On the matter of Ernst Herrera Legorreta: There are many Internet resources on his work with Nahuatl, but almost all of them are in Spanish. I believe the most recent edition of Karttunen's Analytical Dictionary of Nahuatl makes reference to Legorreta's oligosynthetic work. I couldn't be sure.

I'll move the relevant paragraph to the talk page until some conclusive evidence can be found. Binadot 04:11, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • Once I've separated the results for Fermin Herrera, Google yields little of value. Most of it seems to be Wikipedia mirrors. I'm in no way an expert on this, so I can't say anything authoritative. You seem to be far more knowledgeable. Binadot 05:05, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)


Comment from Danakil: I regret not having able to respond to this before: I had to take a year off from contributing to Wikipedia (see my homepage for details). No, I am NOT Ernst Herrera Legorreta (EHL). But I happen to have met him personally (in an academic setting) while in Mexico and, being thus directly involved, it now seems to me that I shouldn't have been the original author of the bio article. Furthermore, I do agree with most of the other comments made here regarding the EHL article, and I concord with the idea of removing the bio article until more information can be obtained from other sources. The work of EHL is mostly known in the area of Programming Languages (a very serious, public source is the Mexican business magazine "EXPANSION" which has interviewed EHL at length at least two times, first in 1997 then in 1999, the records of which are available online through the magazine's web site). He has been (indirectly) nominated twice for the top technology prizes awarded by the Mexican Government (first, as the chief architect of Miramar Technology SAdeCV, and second, as the chief scientist of Tlallian SAdeCV). But of course, it could be argued that these facts, though indeed verifiable, do not qualify him for a bio article. To this I would comment that it might be reasonable to set slightly different degrees of minimum accomplishment to be worthy of a bio depending on the geographical context where the person in question mostly develops. Mexico is not the in the same league as the US in technological accomplishments. One final comment, regarding the Nahuatl aspect of EHL's work: unlike the work done in most US universities, that done in most of the Mexican ones (with some localized exceptions in certain academic areas, mostly from the UNAM and the ITESM) is *not immediately available online*, if it ever becomes so. This, I believe, explains the difficulty in finding online confirmation of EHL's Nahuatl-related work, which was done, IIRC, at the Universidad Autonoma de Tamaulipas and the Center for Huaxtec Studies in Tampico, Tamaulipas. I will try to find more information regarding that work and, in the meantime, I fully agree with the consensus reached about the deletion of the bio article. Nevertheless, I do believe that the NGL Programming Language (which was also removed at the time) should be reinstated. NGL is a descendant of the J Programming Language created by Herrera and about which there is firm, public information regarding its use by the government of several Mexican States (Tamaulipas and Nuevo Leon being the most easily verifiable ones) in a large number of instalations covering, at least, 30 different municipalities. 201.135.18.50 07:07, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]


If you aren't aware of it already, you may want to read my reply at User talk:Dysprosia and respond to comments I've made at Talk:Prettyprint. Thanks Dysprosia 08:42, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Quotes

It is the Wikipedia house style to use plain ASCII quotes, rather than left/right quotes. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Use straight quotation marks and apostrophes. This is for readability of the source text; excessive use of HTML entities renders it rapidly unreadable. —Morven 14:55, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)

Aleph (letter) etc

My reason for putting two font versions of the Hebrew letters is that the ordinary "sans" version is generally used by default within Wikipedia, but most users who have (like myself) had only relatively little exposure to Hebrew may have seen only the normal printed versions, in a "serif" font (I believe this is not exactly the correct term) and they are quite a bit different in some cases, so I thought there was a need to show both side by side to avoid confusion. I've done something similar on the small table on the Hebrew alphabet article. Any other font variant would of course be welcome, and I seem to remember someone asking specfically about handwriting versions. rossb 10:48, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I should have added that I was following the precedent of articles such as A which has images of both serif and sans versions at the top of the page, even though most readers of the English Wikipedia will probably be very familiar with both. rossb 11:46, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Greeks

Will keep an eye on Greeks. Unfortunately, omaimon, ktl is supported, and may be based on a passage from Herodotus; but I'll check out the Hellanodikai and throw in a passage on descent from the Pelasgians - that should stir the pot nicely Septentrionalis 19:04, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Stavro! Thanks for letting me know about the goings on; you'll already have seen that I made a few small edits (I hope that you're not regretting contacting me...). Is there something about this "people" vs "nation" business that I'm missing? Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 14:16, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

omothriskos is not in LSJ (hard-copy); although of course its components are. But the article is quiet - let sleeping nationalists lie. Septentrionalis 05:19, 3 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that should do it. Will observing that the Greek language, religion, and customs have changed over the last two millennia cause too much trouble? Septentrionalis 22:20, 3 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

RE: Block on 128.113.201.75

Hi Macrakis. Thankyou for the information on this user. Unfortunatly there is not much I can do when this user is not editing; I am severely restricted as to the length of ban I can give to anonymous IPs, even if they are used by only one person. I will try to keep on the situation as much as I can. Thanks anyway. Rje 00:58, May 5, 2005 (UTC)

endnotes

the Harvard endnotes were right before, but someone added some sources out of order, and so it got messed up. thanks for pointing it out. It's fixed now, though there's one article, referenced as yaletfteach2 or something like that, whose pointer got lost. I'm going to try to figure out where it belongs in a couple of days. For now, I stuck it at the end of the list, where it's just an orphaned endnote, but not messing up the numbering. --jacobolus (t) 19:25, 11 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

hellenes

unfortunately, this 'consensus' was not visible to people watching only the Hellenes, but not the Greeks article, was it? I am not completely opposed to the merge, in that the Greeks article will focus on history anyway. Of course "Greeks" tends to refer to the modern population, while "Hellenes" is a rather polyvalent term, referring to ancient peoples. Anyway, the discussion of this is also possible on the Greeks page, so I'll just have a look at that now. regards, dab () 14:51, 13 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I think I agree with your characterization. "Greeks" is the unmarked term, for ancient and modern peoples. "Hellenes" is either grandiloquent (i.e. used for the modern population primarily by romantic "Hellenophiles" wishing to emphasize real or imagined cultural or genetic continuity), or used in Bronze-Age contexts for the earliest settlers. dab () 09:41, 14 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
So, would the people insisting that "hellene" was "distorted" be the same cranks who insist upon using Erasmian pronunciation for Liturgical Greek? Just wondering.Dogface 19:23, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The individuals I've come across who have used Erasmianism with Liturgical Greek were either Protestants or irreligious. They do not use the Liturgy but try to adopt terminology--many of them have never actually heard it spoken in context.Dogface 12:56, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Slavery and Old Oligarch

I was taught to take pseudo-Xenophon seriously, as saying: these are the most prudent measures to maintain a democracy, for those vile enough to want one; and this is why they work . However, your Sprachgefühl may well be better than mine.

By the way, the douloi-were-free people have taken to misquoting Old Oligarch in Slavery. Please help keep an eye on this. Septentrionalis 16:51, 21 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Also Athenian democracy, which needs serious help Septentrionalis 20:43, 23 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, it looked a little spurious, but I'm not interested in getting involved in any POV dispute. Everyking 11:47, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Wade-Giles Superscripts

Thank you for adding those superscripts! I knew I was missing something with my Wade-Giles transcription. Jiawen 07:59, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I couldn't be bothered to login. Contact me in User:Miskin.

Ta piata pou aneferes (shis, doner, gyros klp) den einai h pragmatiki Ellinika kouzina, einai i Elliniki kouzina gia tous touristes. H alithini Elliniki kouzina me ta thalassina tis kai ta kreatika tis den yparxei stin mesoanatoli. Akoma kai tin Tourkiki kouzina tha tin xaraktiriza 1/2 mesoanatolitiki kai 1/2 mesogiaki. To na peis oti i Elliniki kouzina pou exei stoixeia apo tin Tourkiki einai "klasiki masoanatolitiki" einai teleios atopo. Pigaine s'ena arabiko estiatorio kai pes mou posa onomata piaton tha anagnoriseis. Miskin 09:53, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Poll (Macedonian Slavs or Macedonians)

I hope that this message is of interest to you, if not please accept my apologies. There is an ongoing poll in the talk page of the Macedonian Slavs article here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Macedonian_Slavs#The_poll

Some people are lobbying for changing the article's name to Macedonians without any qualifier (compare to Macedonian). As it seems, the initiators of this poll were contributors from the Macedonian/Macedonian Slav wikipedia project. It seemed only fair to attract the attention of people that _possibly_ share or represent a different point of view. Your participation to the discussion and the poll, are very welcome.

Third view?

I am insvolved in a POV dispute with a rather odd fish on Democratic peace theory (See: Talk:Democratic peace theory#Disputes. For example, he regards The People's Republic of China renounced her alliance with the Soviet Union in 1961, thereafter creating a third, much smaller bloc of her own. as a POV statement. Am I mad? Am I overreacting? I would appreciate it if you would come take a look. If you regard this as too far out of your field, fine; feel free to ignore this notice. Septentrionalis 17:03, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for looking; the only necessary point is that PR China was *not* in the Soviet bloc when they went to war with Vietnam. IIRC also Kampuchea was in their bloc, while it existed. But Ultramarine has removed the POV clause in that sentence. Now all I really want is for him to stop editing with an egg-beater: one sentence pro-Rummel, one sentence con, two sentences pro, and so forth. Septentrionalis 15:30, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

If you were to nominate this for VfD, you certainly wouldn't get any objection from me. -- Hoary 07:22, 2005 Jun 23 (UTC)

PS meanwhile I've put up Global Language Monitor for VfD. -- Hoary 11:05, 2005 Jun 23 (UTC)

Hm, there really seems to be a tidal wave of this stuff. (Haw haw haw.) Yes, do please go ahead with VfD. I'd do it myself, but right now I'm connected by modem and overpriced phone line; I'm not overjoyed by having to spend my time on this kind of thing, but the combination of time and money is too much. -- Hoary 00:13, 2005 Jun 25 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/2004 Indian Ocean Tsunami Impact on Global Media is up and awaiting your comments. -- Hoary 04:15, 2005 Jun 25 (UTC)

Pjjp-irrelevant this time, but you might enjoy letting your mind boggle at the Deep Thoughts within Graphical language. (Me, I'm going to bed. It's 1 a.m. here. G'night!) -- Hoary 15:43, 2005 Jun 25 (UTC)

From PJJP: Pls remove my vfd pages immediately (since I do not know how to do this). I understand your arguments.

Advice on Aliákmon

Hi! You as a native speaker of Greek: can you help us out about how to call the river Aliákmon/Aliákmonas in this English wikipedia? See the discussion at Talk:Aliákmon. Markussep 19:25, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Gimbutas

Macrakis, you have to be specific about which theories of Gimbutas' you are referring to. It is well known that towards her later life, she became more and more extreme, and hardly anything of this "brute feminism" phase is taken seriously. Nevertheless, in her earlier life, she was a very serious archaeologist, and just that she "lost it" later doesn't mean all of her theories are worthless. Her Kurgan hypothesis, obviously with modifications, is the most current theory of PIE origins. So if you want to say "not widely accepted", you'll have to say which statements exactly are not widely accepted. For example, if you say that her idea that a bull's head represented ovaries, I will readily agree that it is quite fringy. dab () 5 July 2005 19:40 (UTC)

it's true that "archaeomythology" smells of Gimbutas and over-interpretation. But what's wrong with "Old European"? The term is certainly preferable to "Pre-Indo-European", which makes linguistic assumptions, and is not restricted to Europe (and may in principle applied to India and the Americas). I suggest the discussion of Gimbutas' view is taken from the intro and given in more detail. The statement I removed seemed to refer to the whole paragraph, including mention of "Kurgan". If you make explicit that Gimbutas' socio-religio-mythological speculations are widely rejected, I have no problem with that. We should probably take this discussion to the article's talk page. dab () 6 July 2005 13:10 (UTC)

You said what I wrote as Grassman is really Grassmann - I used the spelling from Wyszecki and Stiles which probably where the confusion originates, but googling both convinces me you are probably right. But how do you justify Grassmann? I'd like to put a note in the article, but not just say "Google says Grassmann wins". PAR 22:56, 11 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

thanks for helping me watch this. The garbled passages must still be typos from my original entry, I'll try to fix them. dab () 15:40, 12 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

so it should, surely, but I haven't got the time to do it just now.... dab () 06:20, 13 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Your translation is fine...

Κύριε Μακράκη, έχετε καιρό να έρθετε Ελλάδα, ετσι; :) Η μετάφραση σας είναι καλή και με ένα spellchecker θα ήτανε τέλεια. Στην Ελλάδα η προσκόληση σε παλαιότερα ήθη δεν έχει αλλάξει καθόλου, όμως: Ο Κοιλιόδουλος, εεεεε ο Χρηστόδουλος έχει απειλήσει με αφορισμό όποιον εκδόσει τη Βίβλο στα νέα ελληνικά. Είναι θέμα καθαρά νεοτροπίας. Classic case of "Not invented here" syndrome. Ο χρονογράφος δεν έχει δικιο ότι οποιοσδήποτε μπορεί να διαβάσει το κείμενο της κοινής ελληνικής. η γιαγιά μου ούτε που καταλαβαίνει τι λεει ο παπάς. Και η γιαγιά μου είναι αυτή που πάει εκκλησία όχι οι νεότεροι, που ειπάρχει περίπτωση να καταλάβουν δυο πράγματα.

PS: (YES, WE WON! No software pattents! woot!) Project2501a 03:19, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

explain this to me

Why the hell do greeks that do not leave in greece go on to do lots of wonderful things and greeks that live in greece only try to kick each other's ass, rediccule, maim, shame hustle each other? I really don't get this... why do i need to seriously consider migrating from greece, if i want to grow as a person and actually make a buck? Why does it feel like the junta was never really overthrown?

γιατί γαμώτο μου η Ελλάδα να με πεθαίνει κάθε μέρα; Γιατί έχω τον καθε $!$*%&#$# να μου λέει "Έτσι είναι εδώ"; :~(

Project2501a 13:33, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Πρέπει να φύγεις, Πρότζεκτ. Δεν υπάρχει άλλη λύση. Η αρνητική ενέργεια θα σε κυριεύσει αν μείνις περισσότερο.--Theathenae 16:21, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]


Re file Macraki mipos eisai kathisterimenos? Me ti vlakeies kathesai kai asxoleisai? Prospatheis na mas bgaleis blakes i pseutes diladi emas tous upoloipous? Apla den katalabaino ti logous exeis na kathesai na asxoleisai me tis diafores tis arxaias kai neas koinis, les kai eipe kaneis allos oti prokeitai gia to idio kai to auto. Tis kseroume tis diafores, euxaristoume poly, einai grammenes kai sta arthra. Ton eksipno pas na kaneis? Miskin 17:04, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ki esy re ProjectXXX me to sumpathio adelfe alla mipos se exei faei i malakia? Se periptosi pou den to exeis katalabei, eisai eksisou karagkiozis me tous extremistes tis akrodeksias pou kathesai kai brizeis. Basika eisai ki esu o idios extremistis xoris na to katalabaineis. O sofos anthropos katigorei kai uperaspizetai ti xora tou analoga me tis sunthikes. To na kathesai apla na katigoreis tous Ellines editors stin wikipedia epeidi de sumfonoun me tis politikes sou pepithiseis, prokeitai gia malakinsi 1ou bathmou. Ante giati apo tote pou egine i aristera tis modas ntunontai oloi sta kokkina kai agourazoun kai prada. Miskin (This is addressed to Project2501a -- I am copying it to his Talk page. --Macrakis 17:31, 21 July 2005 (UTC))[reply]

computer science categorization

Hi. I apologise for any trouble I might have caused you. Anyway, here's something on topic: Me and a couple of friends are trying to fix up Category:Computer science and Category:Software engineering. They are both a mess. And we'll try to put some guidelines together on how things should be categorised. Anyway, if you don't mind I wanna ask a question: I'm not quite sure if Computer languages fall direcly under computer science, since those are the tools comp-sci people use to do their work, or do they fall under software engineering or any other part. What's your opinion? Thanks in advance. Project2501a 20:05, 22 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

thanks for improving Imre Lakatos

Macrakis,

  Thanks for your improvement.  Cheers,--Carl Hewitt 06:03, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Intuitional linking

I have copied the relevant discussion from User talk:Eequor to Talk:Jorge_Luis_Borges#Dubious_see-alsos. -- Jmabel | Talk 16:54, July 26, 2005 (UTC)

Nietzsche's Kundalini

It has been some time since I scrutinized the article while I continue to fix various problems with others, so I thank you for bringing that to my awareness. You are right in the presumption that this attribution is ultimately peculiar in that it is superficial and has no meritorious accounts from scholarly/academic sources. Consequently, I have deleted it from the article.--Glyphonhart 22:07, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your note. I added a link to this from computer algebra based on that article.From your comments it seems that the opening paragraph of automatic differentiation is incorrect. Could you take a look and fix it, if it indeed is incorrect?

Thanks Cje 18:48, 11 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Woodworking wikiproject

Hello Stavros, I noticed you made some valuable edits to woodworking-related articles Vise (tool), Workbench, etc.. I'd like to invite you to participate in the Woodworking Wikiproject. You could also check out the Metalworking Wikiproject. Thanks. Luigizanasi 21:53, 5 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Aëtius??

Why did you change Aetius in Aëtius? "ë" was not part of Latin alphabet, neither it is currently used in English. He is widely known as Aetius.--Panairjdde 10:44, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I am moving this to Aetius for further discussion among all interested. --Macrakis 15:06, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, but be sure to add your answer, since you made the change! ;-) --Panairjdde 16:18, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I will add, here, that my edition of Gibbon prints Aetius, and it is a fine reprint of Bury's edition (without the notes), so it probably has Gibbon's usage right; but I have no informed opinion more than I have said on the Talk page. I hope my curmudgeonliness did some good. Septentrionalis 15:31, 24 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

When the OEIS omits zeroes

Good job so far on formalizing the OEIS article. I noticed you left an HTML comment about the clarity of the paragraph on weight distribution codes with periodically recurring zeroes, such as (sequence A010463 in the OEIS) (though it also applies to theta series of a lattice like OEISA004009 and other types of sequences where the zeroes occur at predictable intervals). For example, if I wanted to submit the sequence

1, 2, 3, 0, 2, 3, 4, 0, 3, 4, 5, 0, 4, 5, ...

the OEIS Internal Format Specs would suggest I send it in as

1, 2, 3, 2, 3, 4, 3, 4, 5, 4, 5, ...

But only if the recurrence of zeroes is painfully obvious. OEISA063441 begins

1, -3, -4, 0, -6, 12, -8, 0, 0, 18, -12, 0, -14, 24, 24, 0, -18, 0, -20, 0, 32

and even some very smart people might not realize that the pattern of zeroes is given by OEISA013929. PrimeFan 16:07, 28 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I understand the practical reasons for archiving. I do wonder, though, what this does to the cumulativity of discussions. Not that unarchived Talk pages are necessarily consulted for background systematically.... --Macrakis 18:19, 6 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't archive this particular page, but I do often archive after coming to a contentious page. Such pages usually have alot of long winded debate, and I find it best to clear the air and allow for people to take a fresh start periodically ;) Sam Spade 19:03, 6 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've made a stab at cleaning up the nationalism; if you care to take a look, please do. The PoV brigade seems very quiet; have they been banned today? Septentrionalis 22:51, 20 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Clearly you have more Byzantine linguistics than I do; feel free to adjust. I was just adapting Buck's Comparative Grammar to the purpose. Is there really a difference between the various spellings of /i/ in Demotic, or is that a Katharevsa affectation? I left it in the article because I didn't know it was false. Septentrionalis 23:29, 20 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]


Income Tax

If you don't think there needs to be a spot for Tax Honesty Movement, please don't revert the section. If you don't agree with it and want it changed, please cite your sources. Thank youbb69 22:46, 10 November 2005 (UTC)BB69[reply]

Hello there

I've found that http://countrystudies.us/albania/49.htm (it seems to be an archived copy of http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/altoc.html - library of congress, public domain) with a websearch and while it might need cross-check etc, it shows 3 (or more) different numbers for 1989. You might find interesting Epirus too. +MATIA 21:31, 11 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Greek pronunciation

Well, all I can say is what you already know, namely that he is wrong. It is true that the "Erasmic" pronunciation is only an approximation and a compromise. "Erasmic" is still rather closer to 5th century BC Attic than the Modern Greek pronunciation, it is difficult for speakers of stress-accentuated languages (such as English and Modern Greek) to realize the tonal accent; Modern Norwegians will probably do a much better job in pronouncing Ancient Greek than Modern Greeks. As a reference, I can give you Vox Graeca : The Pronunciation of Classical Greek by W. Sidney Allen, ISBN 0521335558. Homeric Greek is of course again different. There you will have θ, φ, χ = [th], [ph], [kh]; υ=[u], ου=[ou] etc. Modern pronunciation starts to become approximately accurate from ca. 200 BC, I think. The Koine was modelled on Attic, but phonologically it was strongly influenced by Boiotic and other dialects, and phonology collapsed completely during Hellenism. But I do assume you know this. Alas, I have no remedy against editors who make up for lack of knowledge by stubbornness, except the revert button and the citation of references. dab () 10:26, 13 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

If you have a quote from Babiniotis regarding mediae etc, please put it into Talk:Ancient Greek pronunciation. This is exactly what we need. Of course, nobody will ever convince User:Thrax, you cannot convince ideologists. But we need a track record for the intelligent reader and for a later dispute resolution. Andreas 23:15, 13 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I wondered why the talk on this had dried up, until I realised that it had been moved to Ancient Greek phonology which I didn't have in my watchlist. You might like to contribute to the ongoing debate, which is now under mediation. --rossb 00:13, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Please be patient. While Thrax have said some things that were wrong, he was right about others (for example the reconstructed pron. wasn't used in Germany for a long time because of Reuchlin). I also think that you are familiar with some things that I wasn't aware of at all, before getting involved with that article (I felt like "reinventing the wheel" sometimes). +MATIA 17:27, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

editor's view

I'd like to let you know that i endorse yours view. Not thrax one. Philx Philx 22:37, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Done Philx Philx 22:43, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Logical exemplum

Dear mackrais, i've posted recetly in the debate some things that can make reason Thrax, just see above how he defends(withouth knowing much about ancient's greek inflection, I suppose) the theory that, if H,U,Ei,Oi there is no modification in the sense of the sentences, in fact if UMeis and Hmeis are pronounced same way, how the can make distiction between "you" and"we" ? He reports that they would have preceived distinciton in declination, this is no true , because, EI KALH KORH; H KALH KORH ; EI(eimi verb) KALH KORH would sound identically as i kali kori.P.S the comments are under the section "sounding authentic " F.S.S.D Philx Philx 23:06, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

greek pronounce in italy

ok, i ll do my best

RfC against BB69

Hi. I thought you might like to know that Taxman and I are discussing a possible RfC against BB69 on Taxman's talk page. Cheers! BDAbramson T 19:22, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

italian pronounce of ancient greek

Mackrais X is in italian kh, i think that germanic ich it is more close than what you've said, but i can be wrong,EVXARISTOS IN GREEK, could you please help me on this example thank you! Philx 11:50, 12 December 2005 (UTC).P.S i said that ich is pronounced like k aspirated because there are difficulties in italian to reproduce aspiration,and to an italian guy k with aspiration would seem the most right thing.[reply]

Restored BB69's cases...

I've restored the cases that BB69 cited in Income tax in the United States... and clarified their holdings to show that they support the power to tax wages as income. BDAbramson T 20:44, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

BB69

I have replied on my talk. Regards, — mark 17:35, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Lucy tuning

That's true, we should report people's beliefs that this logarithmic ratio of pi is somehow special (and probably confine the opposite opinion to a "criticism" section), I'm just saying you probably won't get a straight answer out of them because really there's nothing to it. You can wade through this [1] if you want. —Keenan Pepper 20:52, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Moldovan

What we are experiencing here is nothing compared to Moldovan language. Ten talk page archives in one month! And what is it all about? If the Moldovan language is different form the Romanian language. This is equivalent of asking if Cyprus coffee is different from Greek coffee. When my son was in Cyprus, he drank only Cyprus coffee. Andreas 21:21, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]


Greek history

We are in agreement regarding the meaning of the word history. Based on Kafkania pebble (if genuine) and other findings, the earliest greek written records are 17th C. BC (or early 16th C if the bebble is a fake). Regards, Sysin 12:29, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Food in Turkey

Selam Macrakis. Your knowledge on Turkish is good enough for me to understand:) About çörek, there is no association for it. At least it is not traditional in large festivals, but may be in local festivals. No it's not considered as Christian food, but it is not considered as Muslim food too. People generally prefer to bake it home, but there are lots of places for people to buy.

Do you have any historical roots on Turkey (especially Safranbolu). I hope i could answer your questions. Whenever you want to ask, at least i can try to answer.--Ugur Basak 20:13, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Macrakis, there are lots of similarities about culture and genetically in Greeks and Turks(especially for westerns side).
About Lahmacun it's said that it came form Arabic lahm-i acin or lahmü'l-acin lahm for meat and acin for dough. They both mean "dough with meat". I couldn't understand what you mean about sauce. Döner is really an important fast-food in Turkey. For example Mc Donald's and some others try to make new products similar to Döner for attracting attention. Normally Döner kebab is from red-meat but nowadays there is an alternative with chicken-meat. Kebap has a few types, Döner kebap is normally served like hamburger but using Turkish breads or it is served with rice (pilav).
Do you know history about Safranbolu. I guess it's an important city for Greeks and Roman empire before 1100s or 1300s. I don't know how important it was but it's not just a normal city. Görüşmek üzer(see you)--Ugur Basak 22:34, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Industrial Bank of China

I don't think they are the same banks. There were several banks called "Industrial Bank" of one sort or another in China at that time. There is still one (www.cib.com.cn) which is not connected with either of the two. --JuntungWu 10:25, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Manakis

I'll get right to the point. I made some edits in the Manakis brothers in order to protect it from the typical MacSlav nation-building propaganda. And now I'm wondering about yourself: Assuming no prior knowledge to the subject, what does the name "Militiadis Manakis" ring to you? Doesn't the Slavic unjustified transformation into "Milti Manaki" (or whatever) alarm something? Now as for the ethnic "Vlach" part, do you have any credible sources to verify it? Miskin 16:23, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation symbols

Hi,

I've been using World Book Encyclopedia's transcription method. World Book uses American English to transcribe words. Unfortunately, IPA is not used very often in the US (where a majority of English speakers live). I can go ahead and name the system, though.

Primetime 09:59, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

About greek moods

Sorry mackrais i do not understand fully what you say at Yannos's talk page about greek moods,Modern greek doesn't have a morphologic subjunctive? I mean the subjunctive is formed thanks to a perposition NA ? And why for your opinion aren't important morphological moods? --Philx 13:36, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

thanks Mackrais for your exausthuve explanation of what should be and if should be considered να subjunctive. Still , you can call me traditionalist if you'd like to, can't fully accept what you say, all grammars have to have a model to wich refers to, as you said latin perfectly fits this role. As you've explaned va is Not subjunctive mood, it is only a particle that applies to the subordinate a valor of dubious and wish, but this is not what the subjunctive mood does morphologically? Of course it does. And why not having a mood that tells about this sitation in all tenses??. Allow me to tell you that is different NomiZo trexei than thelo na trechei, so in greek a volitive preposition that is thelo na can't have the subjunctive mood excuse me , i may understand wrongly what are you saying clearly, in the perfect and aorist tenses there isn't subjunctive in greek? How you would say in greek " Voglio che tu abbia corso" in italian that can be translate i want you ran? thanks for a your reply. F.S.S.D --Philx 17:58, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
thank you again Mackrais ,for yor disponibilty to talk with me about those things, but i think you are missing one of my question, could you please translate into greek "Voglio che tu corra" I want you to run, with the same subjunctive effect? You said, john gave it to mary, isn't to be considerd as dative, why not? considering it as dative doesn't clarify things? What i mean that i don't agree with what you said in Yannos talk page " it is useless complicate thing morphologically" or something, why? it is not more usefull reading thing clearer and hearing them clerearer? For example, when you say in italian "pensavo che fossi corso"

I thought you ran, the subjunctive tells 2 important information.

  • The type of action that is seen by the writer\speaker, that is in this case of doubous.
  • The relationship of anteriority of between the regent and its subordinate. Any of words from your erudite speech is well accepted. F.S.S.D --Philx 20:10, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Again thanks but:
  • Nomizo oti etrexes or exeis trexeis isn't the same thing of fossi corso! because in this greek sentences there isn't the doubious or the wish expressed! It is only indicative! It is seen only as a fact.
  • Casam it is only acussative, stop. Only Romam or other city names expresses into accusative movement motus ad locum. In casam it is a preoisitionmotus in loco.It is accusative because is seen that is the accusative as if it were the objective of that movement.At least, you said that the subjunctive informations are important only for languages with such distinctions, Why? Modern greek does not distinguish the time as the ancient one?Still sorry if i become pedant i do not understand why for you are obsolete moods that carry these kin of informations Thanks for an your eventual reply --Philx 00:42, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Again thanks my friend. to answer your questions:

  • Ancient greek optative is subjunctivus obliqus in latin.
  • In casam is for latin accusative case while for finnish illative, but the always indicate the same things! Only that Latin Feels this case as the object of arriving of an action, so that's why accusative. Like ancient greek too i should say.
  • You would then making me believe that modern greek doesn't need to express subjunctive features in the past tenses? A bit strange don't you think? --Philx 02:36, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your reply Mackrais. --Philx 11:47, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Greek products

You might want to look at this: Greek products Andreas 02:36, 5 January 2006 (UTC) What about sufflaki??? --Philx 02:58, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

I'm back; what are the current problem areas? (I hurt my hand in November, and took a while to gather the courage to face the collected idiocy again.) Septentrionalis 23:04, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Greek language template

Hi Macrakis. I was wondering whether you'd like to add your input to this debate going on here:Talk:Ancient Macedonian language#Greek language template. Maybe from your own experience reading references on ancient Greek, you can give your impression on the situation. Excuse me if you don't want to get into this, but it's simply a question of references. I'm trying to ascertain the situation myself and maybe I'm mistaken about what general references say. Alexander 007 14:02, 15 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Skylitzes article

Hello Macrakis, thanks a lot for your John Skylitzes article. Nice job. This really reminds me I should be doing some stuff on Byzantine writers too one day. For instance, I think Michael Psellus the Younger needs a lot of work - sadly out-of-date 1913-Encyclopedia-derived article. Perhaps I'll get around doing that some time, but currently I have another rather big Greek-related rewrite on my hands elsewhere (Aegean dispute). See you around, Lukas 10:44, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Help needed: 2nd deletion request for Afshar experiment article!

A non-expert is again requesting deletion of the article. [2] Your vote would be appreciated. Prof. Afshar 18:01, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Interested in classical rhetorics?

Hi Macrakis, I'm not sure if this is exactly within your field of interest, but I'd appreciate your help: There is a new, expert user who wants to build up a new Wikiportal Portal:Rhetoric, and one of his first steps was to create a stub page for a Glossary of rhetorical terms. That page caught the attention of some listcruft-hunters on WP:AFD and is now under fire on a deletion discussion Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of rhetorical terms. Personally, I'd find it a great pity if that page were to go, and I have the feeling much of the criticism is motivated by people simply not being very familiar with the whole topic area. It would be great if some people who are actually familiar with classical philology or literary studies etc. and can have an idea of how useful or not useful such a list would be, would weigh in on the discussion, this way or the other. Thanks! Lukas (T.|@) 22:28, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Can you explain why you r evrted my =$pi edits? I changed for asthetic reasons ,why revert ?--Procrastinating@talk2me 22:47, 28 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Federal Reserve System and the US Dollar

Dear Macrakis:

Recalling the BB69 matter back in December, a somewhat interesting discourse (with, shall we say, some "similarities") has been developing with an editor named "Xode" at the discussion page Talk:United States Dollar at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:United_States_dollar#Article_neutrality_and_factuality_dispute

under the heading for Factuality Dispute. I am in no way comparing Xode's conduct to the outrageous behavior of BB69. The similarity lies in part in the way certain editors seem to be on a "mission" to educate everyone on what they perceive as some great injustice and, I argue, want to use Wikipedia as a soapbox as part of that mission. When you see the materials Xode is promoting regarding the Federal Reserve and the banking system and compare them to the tax protester rhetoric, I think you'll know exactly what is going on. Your input on that Talk page would bring a lot to the table! Xode's User Talk page is interesting too. Yours, Famspear 22:27, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Macedonia

User:Bitola wrote in Talk:Republic of Macedonia: "Another interesting fact is that the name Macedonia was virtually forbidden for use in Greece before seventies in the last century. Actually, the northern part of Greece was called “Northern Greece”. Meantime, Greeks realized that they can benefit more if they adopt the name of Macedonia. Starting from that point, the northern part of Greece was renamed to Macedonia and many shops, airports, streets etc got the Macedonian name. So, Greece is using the name Macedonia for its northern part for 30 years, but Republic of Macedonia is using its name officially from 1945 (that is 60 years)!" Maybe you could scan a map of Greece from your Greek Encyclipedia and send it to him. Andreas 00:43, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Oxymorons

Your wrote here:

An oxymoron must be *internally* contradictory; removing tendentious examples

Maybe that's one definition, but by no means the only one. Besides - to some people - those examples you removed may well have been *internally* contradictory, but just not to you. Just because you didn't understand them in the *intended* way simply means you're not *in the loop* with their way of thinking. Oxymoron are definitely POV, and therefore are allowed, including those that don't coincide with your POV.

Please respect other's views and contributions to the same degree you expect others to respect yours. If you really feel an example is really that terribly "unoxymoronic," at least ask the contributor what it means. You might be surprised to learn that it's a common oxymoron within a large community of people, or in another culture than your own. -- Fyslee 19:44, 2 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Just an FYI, I have updated the above article in direct response to your talk page query (from October), as it is frequently asked. I will look at tidying and expanding the article more in the near future, but felt you might just be interested in that response. Regards, --Lawlore 02:12, 4 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,

The interwiki bot was adding fr:Embranchement particulier because there was a link to Siding in the french version of the article. I fixed it. ▪ Eskimo 16:59, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Stigma/Digamma

Do you really think either Stigma or Digamma is the appropriate article for talking about 6 in Greek numerals?? I think you should create an article called 6 in Greek numerals. Georgia guy 19:47, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Such an article would be redundant, the information is in Greek numerals. Andreas 20:36, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

CIty names

I could not agree more. Definitely all the history of a place must be mentioned. I am proud of the history of Turkish towns. Like Istanbul. I am proud of its "Byzantium"nuss, its "Konstantinopolis"ness. Its Roman, Greek and Turkish cultures. The point is; the historical names must be mentioned within the context. That is; in the historical part of the text. In the examples you are giving, in the Thessaloniki example, the Turkish name Selanik is not mentioned on the first line and for the good reason. Regards. Ormands 19:42, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

[Replying to your note on myu talk page] Hi. I never contested the use of the name of Konstantinopolis (which I very much prefer to Francophone-sounding Constantinople) during the Ottoman times, or that it might even be in use by Turks of Greek origin today. But the point is; the official, and current English name for "the city" today is Istanbul. There are no parallel names in English. If it is called "Konstantinopolis" in Greek, fine, but it belongs to Greek Wikipedia, not the English one. Otherwise Konstantinopolis is a historical name and it needs to be mentioned within the history section. After all, you would not call New York as "also known as 'New Amsterdam', but instead you would mention it in its history. The name Konstantinopolis is a very important one (I can not think of Istanbul without its Greek past - actually I can not think of our culture without the Greek past - after all, I am a Turk of Kurdish and Cretan descent.), but it is a historical one, and knowing from my Greek friends, promoting it as a parallel name is a very sneaky chauvinistic attitute. I believe we both have to be less chauvinistic about a lot of things. Believe me I am very familiar with this attitude. My Greek friends always stress that Istanbul also means "to the city" in Greek. So what? You should only be happy. About the Antalya; I did not remove the Greek name from the body. I moved it to the historical part and I removed the Greek Alphabet one. I left the Greek name in Latin alphabet "Attalia" as it is. What is the point of placing Greek alphabet version in the English language Wikipedia? Should we also have it in Cyrillic, and beautiful Georgian, Arabic and Armenian alphabets also? Yes, but, NOT in the English Wiki!. Best Regards. Ormands 23:04, 9 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Percentage edit

I saw your clarification in the article English words of Greek origin. Please read the talk page because I think your edit is confusing rather than clarifying.

In the talk page you will see that it can be easily proven that the actual percentage exceeds 20%. Read User:Odysseas's research.

Furthermore, you will see that there is a big debate about how "scientific" are the scientific words.

Please come back to me with your comments.

NikoSilver 22:27, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]


  • ...(Any counter study) talks about the number of words, not about their frequency of use...
Frequency of use is subjective. Furthermore, you do not include this arguement in your edit of the article. Finally, the English Vocabulary is defined as the TOTAL set of English words that exist rather than just the frequently used ones.
  • ...As for the French vs. Greek business, yes, many words came through French from Greek, but then we can also trace many of them to Indo-European...
Indo-European is an artificial and hypothetical BRANCH. It is not a language that we have discovered and it may have never existed. It is the only logical way of how most languages may have been formed. If the French or English or Latin didn't use any words from the hypothetical Proto-Indo-European language for centuries and they imported them directly or indirectly from Greek, then these words are by no means French or English or Latin. They are either Indo-European-TO-Greek-TO-whatever -OR- they are just Greek. In the first case, I would think that Greek should be credited for their origin, since Indo-European may be fictional. Furthermore, your logic would end up showing that 100% of English (or any other language) comes from the first human tribe, which would be a pointless conclusion.
  • ...Clearly the percentages should add up to much more than 100%...
No they should not, if they were structured in a tree form. Provided there is certainty as per which branch of the tree used them first. Who came first, however, can be very easily proven in your Greek vs French question (or Greek vs any other language) by the thousands of Anchient Greek texts.
  • ...Finally, this is all a silly game, as though somehow the proportion of words from Ancient Greek reflected well on you and me. I find it embarrassing...
There is no game. It is a quest for knowledge. There are hundreds of linguists argueing about the roots of English. Hundreds of courses in Colleges and Universities work on this "game" all over the world. Just do a Google search for "roots of English" to be convinced.
Well-reflecting on you and me, would be to try to find the correct percentage and contribute to wikipedia in a way.
Embarrassing would be to deal with this subject in both a nationalistic and a phobo-nationalistic POV way. That being said, the fact that I -personaly- as a Greek would be prouder and happier for my ancestors, had they contributed more to the world vocabularies, sciences, arts, politics etc., cannot be used as an arguement. Nobody will stop me from feeling that way though and that is far from embarrassing. By the way, how do you feel?

NikoSilver 00:53, 10 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

Hello Macrakis, I just wanted to say thanks for your input in the matter with Sysin. Guess he doesn't get it that I understand what his trying to say but the way things are set up right now, he's entering articles under the wrong category. Oh well. I noticed on your user page your from MA. I'm originally from MA, worked in Framingham for a while. Currently out West, but all my family is back in MA, from the Worcester/Shrewsbury area. Thank you again!!  :) ~Theodoris, 9 February 2006

Macrakis, I find it surprising that you described me as 'chauvinist'. You were there in the early days of the Greeks article, when 128.113.201.75 was trying promote his "omaimon, omothriskon, yadayada" thesis. You've seen me take out nationalistic edits from the 'Greek Migrations' timeline ("and then the Greeks armies conquered ... etc"). I know you got upset when I objected to MBE's edits, but it was not a matter on nationalism, it was a matter of clarity and accuracy; there is nothing nationalistic in my objecting the mention of tourism in a timeline about migrations. You can call me anal about clarity and accurate wording, and you'd be correct, but chauvinist, no. Accuracy and clarity are precisely the reasons why the categories in question should be renamed to clarify that they are not about all Macedonians, but only about people from the (fy)RoM. sys < in 07:38, 10 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Krifo scholio

Hi, I forgot to say thank you for helping out over at Krifo scholio - and for your kind words. See you around, Lukas (T.|@) 20:41, 12 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Κηπ απ δε γκουντ γουώρκ :-)

Σταύρο, επιδίδεσαι εδώ, όπως τα λες και στη σελίδα χρήστη, σε αγώνα δύσκολο και εκνευριστικό (γι' αυτό εξάλλου και γω δεν πολυανακατεύομαι) -- αλλά σε συγχαίρω που συνεχίζεις να ασχολείσαι. Ως φησιν αγγλιστί, you are a good egg. Opoudjis 03:33, 14 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Does the Demotic alpha really represent the schwa in up? The two Greeks are further apart than I thought...:}, but you are a good egg.Septentrionalis 23:28, 14 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't --- but what does? :-) Neither Greek has a schwa after all. (Not post PIE, anyway.) I admit I haven't checked out how Ancient Greek handled schwas in loans; Modern Greek does it with /a/. Names from Hebrew had both /a/ and /e/: Δεβώρα for Dəborah, Ζαχαρίας for Zəchariah.

Irismeister

Thanks, I've forwarded your concerns to the rest of the arbitrators, some of whom are more knowledgeable than I when it comes to Irismeister. At first glance it looks like the IP's location might not match up with Irismeistr's IP, though. Dmcdevit·t 23:22, 14 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I see we have another crank; but we should mention his theory, and the critical article, at the bottom with all the others. Sigh. Septentrionalis 23:28, 14 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm very much afraid we have another spillover from Usenet here. Just as our mutual friend "Thrax" was "Agamemnon", the anonymous Faucounnau addict at Pelasgians and Phaistos Disk, with his penchant for bold text and using "the" before nouns with genitives in English, is in all likelihood "grapheus" - who in turn is believed by most Usenet people to be none other than Faucounnau himself. Sigh... Lukas (T.|@) 23:07, 15 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Naming issue

I don't have any sources available, that's why I was asking. It's interesting however that UK in the United Nations is listed as United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland [3], whereas in EU (former EEC) is listed as United Kingdom [4]. Obviously the "UK" part is several centuries old. Odysses () 16:44, 22 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Greek loanwords...

Γεια σου Σταύρο, don't worry, I think there are worse topics than the loanwords article for the Greek-enthusiasts to play with. I don't really see that one as that important, do you? But I'll keep an eye on it. After all, the wish to have some more figures about the ultimately-Greek (indirect) loans, over and above those 5%, is not completely wrong in itself. I think one of those guys actually had found a book, by some Greek author, which didn't seem totally pseudo at first sight. So, if we can draw some more info out of that, why not? :-) See you around, Lukas

What's wrong with you? Why do you undervalue other people's education, effort and work? Why is it chauvinistic to bring up a book that might give some light in a polite discussion? How can you be certain that the Greek contribution has not been undervalued, especially since nobody has ever actually done such an etymological study in the past?
It is wrong to be a chauvinist. It is wrong to be the on other extreme too. I don't really think that this is your case. I think that in your effort to sound neutral you just over-do it. NikoSilver 23:59, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Now you got it right! Congratulations! :-) NikoSilver (T) @ (C) 17:31, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

hm, is it even possible to be the sock of an anon? Shouldn't we consider Rose-mary the primary account, and 80.90 as Rose-mary editing logged out? See also User_talk:Latinus#IAR, what do you think of sprotection in this case? regards, dab () 20:08, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

you are right of course. I think we should present the anon with the alternative of choosing a new account name or be known as Rose-mary henceforth. This game is boring, and he is not very good at playing it. This person seems to be too used to usenet :) where lying about your identity is considered good style or at least normal. I think sprotection is in order now to impress on him that this is not so on WP. dab () 06:56, 28 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

Please see Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Macedonia if you can. --Latinus 12:45, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have nominated this for deletion, as another WHEELERism. If it were not encumbered by the GDFL tag to Wikinfo, I would have simply rewritten it. Let me know what you think. Septentrionalis 18:30, 4 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Stavros! I noticed your work on and interst in Thessaloniki and wanted to let you know that I nominated the city's article for the Article Improvement Drive. It is very close to reaching Featured Article Status and it deserves that recognition. Please feel free to vote for its candidacy at the AID! --Caponer 01:07, 6 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Paraklisis

File, eimai Ellinas (opos kai esi fisika) kai xriazomai afti tin stigmi ti politimotati voithia sou.

  • 1.Stin Elliniki wiki kai sigekrimena, sto arthro: Makedonas, pou einai sxedon olo, diki mou dimiourgia kai tora iparxi ipopsifiotita gia diagrafi tou arthrou stin selida [[5]]

Se parakalo para poli, ean thelis vevea kai exis tin kalosini, na psifisis gia tin paramoni kai mi diagrafi tou arthrou. Sigekrimena stin selida [[6]] na psifisis os exis:

  • διατήρηση και να μπει το πρότυπο {{disputed}}. ας αφήσουμε όποιον θέλει να το προχωρήσει. --Onoma

Diladi diatirisi, ... kai to onoma sou, opos parapano!


Se parakalo para poli, ean thelis vevea kai exis tin kalosini, na psifisis gia tin paramoni kai mi diagrafi tou arthrou. Sigekrimena stin selida 21.Hellenische Sprachen na psifisis os exis:

  • Natürlich behalten --Onoma

Diladi , fisika diatirisi (=Natürlich 'behalten) kai to onoma sou, opos parapano!


Y.G. Ean thelis, mporis na metavivasis tin paraklisi mou, se alous filous kai empistous Ellines opos kai esi?


Epeigon (SOS)

Xriazome-aste ti voithia sou, giati apo oti eida kseris kalitera galika apo oti ego! Koita, to arthro afto exi protathi distixos, meta apo kapies diorthosis pou ekana, gia diagrafi: w:fr:Macédoine grecque.

Please help

Hi Macrakis. I was wondering if you could please help me out on the Adana page. Some Turkish editor wants to remove the Greek name and a paragraph about the Adana massacre. Thanks. --Khoikhoi 02:31, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Who

Do you know who is responsible for this on the Greeks article? Thanks. "The modern Greeks consider themselves to be the inheritors of the ancient Greek and Byzantine civilizations and cultures. Through history, the definition of Greekness has varied: Many Byzantines valued the classical tradition, many repudiated it; almost all regarded themselves as the Orthodox heirs of Rome. The idea of a special connection with the classical past revived with the heretic Gemistus Pletho and the work of Cyriac of Ancona; it became fairly common with the emergence, in the late 18th century, of the nation-state, and its gradual consolidation. Greece became the first country in the Balkans to come into being, both as a nation-state and breaking away from an empire. The Greek revolutionary movement formed its own definition of Greekness out of the Greek cultural heritage, with what modern scholars call romantic nationalism; this also attracted foreign support from the Philhellenes."

It is so imersed in ignorance and is so arrogant that it verges on racism. It really has to go; what was wrong with the compromise we reached? Politis 18:26, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure what you object to here. Do you disagree that modern Greeks consider themselves to be inheritors of the ancient and Byzantine civilization? Do you disagree that the definition of Greekness has varied? Do you disagree that Plethon and others emphasized the classical connection in a way that their predecessors did not? Do you disagree that the classical connection became more important in the second half of the 18th century? Do you disagree that Greece was the first nation-state in the Balkans? Do you disagree that romantic nationalism and the philhellenes were important to the emergence of 19th century Greek self-identity? --Macrakis 19:14, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

FYROM

Hi Macrakis, can you please point me to the discussion where Republic of Macedonia became the official WP naming convention?--Avg 19:50, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good question. Things seem to have been edited since I last looked at WP:LINK. I did find the following at Wikipedia:Naming conventions: "In addition to following the naming conventions it is also important to follow the linking conventions. Following consistent conventions in both naming and linking makes it more likely that links will lead to the right place." That isn't much of a dictate to link to the article instead of a redirect.
As for the question from Avg, I found Talk:Republic_of_Macedonia/Archive4, which seems to be some sort of poll on the topic. Jkelly 22:29, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the link Jkelly. I must say that I haven't found a definite decision there, perhaps I haven't looked carefully enough. May I say here (as it is also mentioned in the linked discussion), that FYROM was a compromise accepted by BOTH sides. And at least, since it is very sensitive to Greeks, I can guarantee that every Greek is offended by seeing in a prominent position on their country's page a FYROMian POV.--Avg 22:45, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The article name is Republic of Macedonia. This is a compromise between the RoM preference for simply "Macedonia", which would be the article's name if there were no ambiguity or dispute (just like France, not French Republic) and "FYROM", which would be the preference of most Greeks (but not all, by the way). The name Republic of Macedonia is unambiguous -- it cannot possibly be confused with ancient Macedon, the geographic region of Macedonia, or the Greek political subdivision of Macedonia. Though the name upsets many Greeks, WP uses many other names that upset one group or another. For example, the People's Republic of China considers that the government on the island of Taiwan has no right to be called the Republic of China. WP uses the full names of these states, and does not use "China" to refer to either one. The "Republic of Macedonia" compromise has proven pretty stable and I don't see it as productive to reopen the question. I could swear there was some fairly clear decision on WP policy about this, but I cannot find it right now. --Macrakis 23:10, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It seems you choose to ignore that FYROM is not a "preference" of most Greeks. No Greek actually likes it. The preference of most Greeks is Skopje and this is how this country is still universally called in Greece. FYROM is a compromise reached by both sides and a name used by FYROM itself internationally. Its role is exactly to be used in place of either "Skopje" or "Macedonia". I find hard to believe that people are ready to discredit and throw in the garbage bin years of talks between high government officials of both countries, which ended in a compromise. This is why the name FYROM was constructed in the first place, nobody is happy with it, but everyone has to use it.--Avg 23:25, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
This is an international encyclopedia written in English. "Skopje" is almost never used in English to refer to the RoM; after all, it is the name of a city. FYROM was a compromise in some international organizations where Greece in effect has a veto. Greece does not have a veto on the Wikipedia. And it is not true that "everybody has to use" the name FYROM. The US government, for example, has used the name "Macedonia" since November 2004 (not even Republic of Macedonia), as you can see for example in the CIA factbook, the US Embassy web site, etc. Almost all international reference works use "Macedonia". "Republic of Macedonia" is a good and stable compromise. --Macrakis 23:36, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I have never said that Skopje is used in English. It was you who ascertained that FYROM is Greek POV. Skopje is the clear Greek POV and I will never support its usage in Wikipedia. I'm only supporting neutrality. Again "compromise" <> "Greek POV". Now everybody is all the countries in UN, EU, NATO and also IOC. USA decided to use the name Macedonia only for bilateral relations with FYROM. They do not use it when in the framework of international organisations. "Republic of Macedonia" is used nowhere except Wikipedia. It is an arbitrary fabrication of some people here who believe that they serve NPOV because they don't know simple facts. Well NPOV is already served and its name is FYROM.--Avg 23:58, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
This discussion should be at Talk:Republic of Macedonia, were everyone else can participate. Stavro, I'm afraid, the only readily available neutral source is Columbia, which merely indicates that Monastir is its former name and that it existed prior to the Slavic arrivals. As for the origin of the name, Miskin is the one with the sources on the origin of the name "Bitola" (he claims). User:Bitola has claimed no sources. --Latinus 23:44, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
BTW I doubt that it was called "Monastir" in Roman times. --Latinus 23:45, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Greek heritage

When I respect people giving relevant reference, I follow them up, especially in a field where I specialise: Χτες είδα τον Βερέμη σε μία ομιλία του, τον ρώτησα σχετικά με την ταυτότητα των Ελλήνων και ποιες από τις 3 προτάσεις εκφράζουν την πιο σωστή άποψη.

  • The modern Greeks consider themselves to be the inheritors of the ancient Greek and Byzantine civilizations and cultures.
  • The modern Greek state is the inheritor of the ancient Greek and Byzantine civilizations and cultures
  • The modern Greeks are the inheritors of the ancient Greek and Byzantine civilisations and cultures.

He said, "definitely the third version sounds more correct because; they inherited the language with through the language they homogenised the region. It is a question of education”. His talk was about Greek-Turkish relations. He expanded on certain Ottoman parameters and the Greeks and mentioned the englightement figures, Moisiodax and Daniel Moschopoulos. He pointed out that though they are considered as Greeks, they are not. One is a Romanian Bulgarian from Moisia and Dassia, and the other a Vlach. He said that Moscholpoulos is the one who declared, "Be glad Blakan peoples, you will become Greeks". Veremis stressed Moschopoulos was not a Greek nationalist. In conclusion, I respect your reliance on academic procedures and I hope you will respect my own. Also thanks for your non 'ad hominem' attitude. Politis 10:56, 17 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Anachonisms

Kane omogeneis na deis kalo... Miskin 16:46, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I provided my sources in Talk:Greeks, yet pmanderson keeps reverting me under childish accusations. This time you have no valid reason to oppose me. Miskin 17:40, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Florina/Lerin

I Apreciate your thoughts. However do you really belive that such an adition to the Florina article would survive for long in the face of all kinds of hotheads? Regards --Realek 23:33, 19 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

New Makedonija POV pushing

Look what happened at the Banitsa disambig page [7]. There is already a Vevi page that describes the village. Andreas 14:24, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Map of Northern Greece

Stavro, you have an old Greek encyclopedia, could you scan a old Map of Greece that has the word ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ on it? Andreas 02:12, 26 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ptolemy (disambiguation)

Hi there. Thanks for your comments on Ptolemy (disambiguation). I agree that the non-dab content will need to be split off to a different article, and I have been discussing this elsewhere. Probably stuff will end up at Ptolemy (name). But I would be grateful if you could leave this for a few days until the discussions have finished elsewhere. Thanks. Carcharoth 14:51, 29 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In case you are interested, I've summarised things at Talk:Ptolemy (disambiguation), where I'm also trying to centralise the discussions before splitting them off to the relevant places. Carcharoth 23:54, 29 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the revision.

Thank you for cleaning up the PQCC article. From time to time, I may forget to append {{cleanup}} to the entry, as was the case with this entry. Your revision is greatly appreciated.

Cheers. Folajimi 23:26, 31 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Miskinism

Kala re sy, den ntrepesai ligaki? Miskin 12:34, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Koita file mou poios paei na mou kanei mathima ithikis. Miskin 14:45, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Apetyxes na me pagidepseis Makraki. Pos niotheis tora pou apektises enan exthro? Miskin 15:41, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]