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Hello Technical. Just an FYI with regards to your comments, you have selected the wrong page for views - "Australia men's national association football team" is a redirect with no incoming links - the actual article is at "Australia national association football team". The page views in the last 90 days are 113882 for the men's article and 8196 for the women's. Number 57 07:48, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Hey 57, I see you've read the rest of my comment. It's all good. :) Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 12:02, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

No probs. However, as you may have spotted on my reply on the article talk page, I don't think it's a fair comparison - one is a redirect with no incoming links, and the other is an article with 100s. I think a more accurate comparison is the number for the men's article at its current title to that of the women's article. If most readers were looking for the women's article, they'd probably click through using the hatnote, yet the women's page views is around 7% of the men's one. Plus of course not all visits come from searches - a significant proportion come through clicking through from other articles, most of which are linked to the correct article. Cheers, Number 57 17:10, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Substituting templates inside references

Hi Technical 13! I've very intrigued by the possibility of substituting templates inside references. I'm working on resolving Category:CS1 errors: dates, including parameters such as |date={{Start date|2009|3|5}}. When I try to subst it, it either doesn't work or generates a bunch of code inside the reference.

After trying your exact example with success, I built User:GoingBatty/Subst test to do some testing. I figured if I could get Reference 1 to work, then I could expand it to Reference 2 and beyond. For Reference 1, I tried:

• Find: <ref name="name goes here">{{Start date(.*?)}}</ref>
• Replace: {{subst:#tag:ref|{{subst:Start date$1}}|name="name goes here"}}

When I tried that, I got this mess. Any ideas on how to do this? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 22:48, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

• I'm assuming your find was actually <ref name="name goes bere">\{\{Start date(.*?)\}\}</ref> and that you realize if you're subst:ing a template, everything in the template needs to be subst:ed as well. Technical 13 (talk) 23:45, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

In AWB, the find statement works whether I use "{{" or "\{\{". I apologize that I don't understand the advice in the rest of your comment. GoingBatty (talk) 00:01, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

hard to explain from my mobile. I don't suppose you could ping me in ##T13 ^connect? Be much easier. Technical 13 (talk) 00:14, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Trying now - this is urgent though, I'm more than willing to be patient until you're in front of a PC. GoingBatty (talk) 00:20, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

• Okay, what I was trying to say (I'm home in front of my PC now) is that although you seem to be subst:ing the template into the <ref>...</ref> you're not subst:ing the contents of the template. So, the problem you are facing is that {{Start date}} isn't intended to be subst:ed. To reach your ultimate goal of turning <ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.google.com|title=Remove start date template|accessdate={{Start date|2009|3|5}}}}</ref> into <ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.google.com|title=Remove start date template|accessdate=03-05-2009}}</ref> (if I understand it correctly) you will need to:

Find: <ref>\{\{cite web(.*?)(\|accessdate=\{\{Start date\|([\d]{4})\|([\d]{1,2})\|([\d]{1,2})\}\})(.*?)\}\}</ref>

Replace: {{subst:#tag:ref|{{cite web$1|accessdate={{subst:#time:j F Y|$4-$5-$3}}{{subst:#if:$7|$7}}}}}}

Which will turn: <ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.google.com|title=Remove start date template|accessdate={{Start date|2009|3|5}}}}</ref> into {{subst:#tag:ref|{{cite web|url=http://www.google.com|title=Remove start date template|accessdate={{subst:#time:j F Y|3-5-2009}}{{subst:#if:|}}}}}} which will parse out as

This is what I think your end result goal is, yes? Technical 13 (talk) 01:27, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes, that's what I'm looking for! Thank you for my introduction to parser functions - I look forward to playing around with it over the holidays! GoingBatty (talk) 01:57, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

GB, there will probably be a few edge cases where |accessdate= is the first parameter and it will throw the above off a little because $1 won't exist. Unfortunately, AWB doesn't offer a $0 which would return the number of parameters and make this easy to fix. I believe the $0 has been requested before, and I'm not sure what happened to that. For some further reading to understand why these things work as they do, you might be interested in mw:Help:Extension:ParserFuntions, mw:Manual:Substitution, and mw:Extension:Cite/Cite.php#Substitution and embedded parser functions Technical 13 (talk) 02:32, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

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Tech 13, please look at my sandbox – I think this is what the editor at Template talk:Country data Selangor is talking about, to add the pre 1965 flag as a variant. The problem is either my eyes or something else, but I cannot get the variant flag icon at the bottom of the documentation to appear in the lighter yellow of the older flag. What am I doing wrong? – Paine Ellsworth ^CLIMAX! 04:38, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I got it. The icon was not appearing correctly because it isn't actually created until the variant is added to the live template. Happy Holidays and New Year, too, Technical 13! Joys! – Paine Ellsworth ^CLIMAX! 06:52, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

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Tech question

Would it be technically possible to create an option on Watchlist to allow an editor to remove an article from their list? Flat Out let's discuss it 03:15, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

• Flat Out, I use User:Js/watchlist myself... Technical 13 (talk) 03:39, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Sweet, thanks! I knew you'd have the answer.Flat Out let's discuss it 03:43, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Disappearing teahouse messages and talk

Hi Don -

You mentioned that you thought I was working on an old version, had done something, and then hit save. If I made any changes, it was without my knowledge, and I know I didn't hit save anywhere. However, another editor mentioned that if I left the screen it would automatically delete anything highlighted? Again, I'm not aware of having highlighted anything.

Also, the other editor suggested that even if the text was gone from the teahouse, it would still be on my Talk page, but it wasn't.

Shortly after this I saw a "menu/directory" doc in my Talk. I'm wondering if this arriving could have deleted the dialogue - in both locations? Or, once it was deleted in my Talk, it propagated to the teahouse?

Outside of a few small edits, this is my first time here, and I'm not getting a warm and fuzzy feeling - au contraire.

One other question. I was interested in creating a bio of an artist who came to this country from Norway. They've digitized all of their census data going back over a century. I mentioned using this to document birth and family data, and was told that government data is not acceptable. If not the original source, just where are you supposed to get this data?

thanks, Charles

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RFC on date ranges

Can you please return to this discussion, which you listed for RFC and just confirm why you did so? There is a difference of opinion on this and it would be helpful if you could confirm. Thank you. Rikster2 (talk) 01:58, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Template:Infobox VG

Your edit to Template:Infobox VG has broken the layout. I don't know how or why, but please fix right away. There doesn't seem to be a revert button on the history page.--Matthew Proctor (talk) 20:53, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

• Matt, I've temporarily reverted the edit... Can you tell me exactly what was broken about it, or give me a link to a page that it is broken on so I can see what you mean and fix it? Thanks Technical 13 (talk) 22:38, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

• • When you changed the template, you took out the dummy pipe/parameter | preceding the if statement which was needed to keep the infobox stable (here). I've put it back underneath the main template {{alternating rows table section}} here and put the includeonlys outside if you really wanted that. TeleComNasSprVen (talk • contribs) 00:01, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Comment at Template talk:Crocodilia

Could you please explain your reply to Template talk:Crocodilia. Did you turn down the change because you're uncertain about the result? I believe I explained it clearly in my comment, but if you're in doubt feel free to ask. However, with your extensive editing experience I doubt this simple modification should cause confusion. In its current form there is a link to the article itself in Crocodylus suchus, a "self-redirect", which is in conflict with the guidelines →Wikipedia:Redirect#Self-redirects. Changing a piped link to avoid this matter is basic wiki editing; nothing like the complex issues usually dealt with under WP:TESTCASES.
* [[Desert crocodile|Desert crocodile (''C. suchus'')]] → * [[Crocodylus suchus|Desert crocodile (''C. suchus'')]]
Normally, I would have done this myself, but someone indef semi-protected this template. (I might add that this choice was rather questionable; the edit history reveals that the template only ever was vandalized by a single editor over a period of three weeks -- usually not enough for an indef)
Regards, 62.107.218.9 (talk) 21:25, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

• I wanted to see what the change looked like compared to the live template and if there was any good reason to do so... As far as changing the link goes, it "may" require a consensus, but I would be willing to change it and gain consensus by being BOLD. So, if you could put your requested change in the /sandbox for that template and give me a /testcases, I would be happy to look it over again and process the request for you. Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 22:28, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

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TY

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Procedure / process concern

Good day, running into a few issues on the page for "Single Payer" Single-payer health care As a newbe here - could you review the talk page and present your comments regarding the edits and exchanges between myself and Thargor Orlando ? I do not want to escalate it, but my gut has me wondering if I should. The conversation seems to be less than within guidelines, and I want to make sure I am providing contribution and not mis-reading something in the communications.SpekServices (talk) 21:52, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

• Looks like north already stepped in and offered a 3O. Good luck! Technical 13 (talk) 00:27, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

AFCH change you made

FYI: [1]. I am going to revert the change until you can come up with a non broken regex Hasteur (talk) 14:33, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

• That is odd, I tested it throughly in this regex tester. I wish you would have told me before reverting so I could see it or taken a screenshot. Technical 13 (talk) 14:58, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Lua print

Hi T13. :) About this edit - the print function won't work, as it has been disabled in Scribunto; the reasoning being that it would encourage the writing of better code.[2] You'll need to insert that value into something that is called from the export method if you want that text to actually be output. I've changed it to mw.log for now, which will just log it to the debug console. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 15:31, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

• Mr. Stradivarius, thanks. I currently know extremely little about Lua (and probably should have picked an easier target to learn on). That being said, what I'm trying to build the "hidden" feature that will hide the box if hidden=yes (by adding class="infobox editsection" which contains only { display: none; } (for now, we can make a special class later once it is working)). Once that works, I want to have it check and only apply if the template is not called from inside multiple issues. Any ideas on helping me get the first part working (once I see where I need to be, I think I can get the second (and third and fourth ..) parts done without much help. Thanks! Technical 13 (talk) 15:43, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

  Actually, your code was working fine: classes added with the addClass method are all output in the export method, so there wasn't any problem with it. I've used yesno with it as well, so "hidden=no" won't hide the box. Did the "infobox editsection" class not turn up when you tested it? Did you test it in the debug console or via #invoke? — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 02:18, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

• After I changed {{Orphan/sandbox}} to use {{Ambox/sandbox}} I see a script error: Lua error in Module:HtmlBuilder at line 41: attempt to concatenate field 'val' (a nil value).
• Any suggestions on who would be good to ask for help with the issue I reported at Template talk:Orphan#Testing? Thanks, Wbm1058 (talk) 16:35, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

  On your first point, it looks like my attempt to switch Module:Message box/sandbox to use Module:Arguments caused the script error... although I'm not quite sure why. I've reverted it to the old argument code, so it is working for now, at least. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 18:01, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

  First part of that puzzle solved - I've managed to reproduce the error in my module sandbox. Still needs some more sleuthing to work out why Module:Arguments was triggering it though. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 18:39, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

  Note: I've switched back to the script error version for now so that other Lua types can take a look at it. Feel free to switch it back when you want to work on the template, though. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 19:53, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

  It should be fixed now - there was a nasty bug in Module:Arguments which meant that sometimes nil arguments weren't getting returned correctly. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 06:02, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

EP/doc tweaks

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• Interesting... I'll add it to the top of my to fix list and dig into it shortly. Thanks for letting me know. Technical 13 (talk) 19:25, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
• Update: this change fixes it for me. Happy editing and thanks for letting me know! Technical 13 (talk) 19:41, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

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Steamtown

The article went through the FA review you nominated it for and the out come was that it was fine the way it was. I didn't really understand the outcome of the so-call dispute resolution and now the article is scheduled to e on the front page. I really believe that you should leave it as it was when it was FA reviewed so that it can appear as it was when it was FA reviewed on the front page. Can you at least do that, please.--Ishtar456 (talk) 00:20, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

• Ishtar456, I'm sorry, the consensus was that the article was too wordy and bloated. That was what was the majority consensus on the talk page and then again in the DRN final decision. I will continue to trim and WP:SPINOUT sections as is reasonable. There should be no information in the Steamtown article about the engines that isn't related to Steamtown itself. I will be as conservative as I can in my trimming, but there are technical specs about the engines that belong on the engines own pages. Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 00:27, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

I did not understand that to be the consensus especially after the re-FA review that you nominated it for. Could you please go to the articles talk page and look at the results of that review? It has been decided that it be featured on Thursday and I was asked to prepare it for that occasion. Please have a heart and stop what you are doing. The reason I wrote the article as I did was that there is not enough information on the individual locomotives to really establish an article for each. People who are into this, like myself, would really like to know the other stuff that you think it not related. I work two jobs and I really do not have time for this. --Ishtar456 (talk) 00:38, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

• Ishtar, done... See Talk:Steamtown, U.S.A.#Trimming down the bloat of this article. Technical 13 (talk) 01:15, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

"some bloat" is not specific. It certainly is not specific to the stuff you are chopping out. You are also disregarding everything else that was said. You are disregarding the opinions of the GA reviewers and the FA reviewers and those who decided to feature it. you are disregarding the suggestion that there be discussion on the talk page about what, if anything, should be discarded and therefore I have asked an administrator if it can be withdrawn from being featured it is was planned for this Thursday. I am not really sure if you know what that means, but it is certainly not the out come I wanted, but if there is an editor war-or attack-as I see it, then it really should not be featured. You sure have a strange way of having fun. Take care, --Ishtar456 (talk) 01:29, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

New proposals at Wikipedia:Pending changes/Request for Comment 2014

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Because

Yes, you can begin a sentence with "because".

"Because" heads up subordinate clauses, which means if you have a clause that starts with "because," you must also have a main clause in your sentence. A main clause is something that could be a complete sentence by itself. The main clause can come first or last; if it comes last, you need a comma.

    Because Squiggly woke up late, he had to postpone the fishing trip. (subordinate clause first, note the comma)
    Squiggly had to postpone the fishing trip because he woke up late. (subordinate clause second, no comma needed)
    Because he woke up late. (sentence fragment)

- See more at: http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/can-you-start-a-sentence-with-because#sthash.ER8mOC6U.dpuf --Ishtar456 (talk) 21:17, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

• Ishtar, thank you for taking the time to leave me this message, and I really don't want to sound like a bitch... But, I researched it as soon as it was reverted based on the comment the reverter left. I would think this was evident in the fact that I didn't start a new section on the talk page and ping the reverter to discuss it. Anyways, I'll leave it at that and wish you well. Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 22:50, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, didn't see that it had been reversed. I wasn't going to. And, yes, I know you do not discuss your edits.--Ishtar456 (talk) 22:59, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

• No need to be sorry, Ishtar, and you apparently have a misconception about me. I am happy to discuss any edit of mine with anyone on the talk page when there is a need to do so. If I make an edit, and someone disagrees with that and reverts me with a quick note in the edit summary of why they disagree, I'm happy to research and see if I can see their point of view on it. If I can, then nothing else needs to be done. However, if I don't see their side of it or I disagree with their opinion, I take it to the talk page and ping them to try and discuss it. This is what is known as the BOLD, REVERT, DISCUSS flow process that is used as one method of developing CONSENSUS on Wikipedia. Hopefully I can change your misconceptions about me sometime, but now is not the time as we are apparently both too busy. Again, I wish you well. Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 23:09, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Earlier I undid some really old, possible vandalism to the article and inadvertently created a redundant line. Rather than remove the redundancy, you reverted my edit, which I reverted then realized the redundant line and removed it-it is gone. Your reversal puts in information that is different from what was intended. There was also a quote in there, can you please reverse you last edit.Thanks.--Ishtar456 (talk) 00:24, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

it was not an incomplete sentence, there was a comma, not a period. I will fix it if you will let me. --Ishtar456 (talk) 00:27, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

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