Talk:Mental disorder

Should be added to 9.4 Perceptions and Discriminations

Having a mental disorder is a risk factor for depression caused by prejudice (i.e. "deprejudice”). When someone is prejudiced against people who have mental disorders and then is diagnosed with a mental disorder themself, their prejudice against people with mental disorders turns inward, causing depression.

References

Addition to the Stigma section

[Apologies in advance for any formatting issues, but I'd like to add to the stigma section.]

In the field of mental health stigma research there are three commonly acknowledged components of stigma: stereotype, prejudice, and discrimination1,2.

There are two dimensions of stigma. Public (or social) stigma is the awareness of stereotypes that the public and society holds about people who are living with mental illnesses1. Public stigma also involves prejudice, or ascribing to stereotypes with negative emotional reactions like fear. The discrimination component of public stigma can include social avoidance, denial of employment, etc. Self-stigma refers to the internalization of these stereotypes and applying and agreeing with the stereotypes and prejudices put forth by society1,2,3.

1. Corrigan PW, Watson AC: The paradox of self-stigma and mental illness. Clinical Psychology: Science and Practice 9:35–53, 2002

2. Corrigan PW, Watson AC. Understanding the Impact of Stigma on People with Mental Illness. World Psychiatry. 2002; 1 (1): 16-20.

3. Corrigan PW. Target Specific Stigma Change: A Strategy for Impacting Mental Illness Stigma. Psychiatric Rehabilitation Journal. 2004; 28 (2): 113-120.

I don't know where the 5 sources under here came from or how to make them go away! Sorry I added to the bottom of the page!

Question

This appears to be about treatment rather than prevention. Not sure why it is in the prevention section "Computerised CBT has also been found effective. " Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 11:35, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

The reference is about prevention I think; so should say "computerised CBT has also been found to be effective in prevention."

More generally why are you taking out the refs, e.g. on depression prevention? This is the key place on the web for people looking at the evidence for prevention. This section of wiki is much weakened and diminished in reference value by what you have done. I appreciate your editing of this are of Wiki very much - thank you - but I feel what you have done here in this instance is definitely wrong. Thanks User:JCJC777

I am trimming the masses of primary research that have been added to this article to emphasis the recent high quality secondary sources. Please read WP:MEDRS.

So for http://europepmc.org/abstract/med/25093485 it is "A Meta-Analysis of Computerized Cognitive-Behavioral Therapy for the Treatment of DSM-5Anxiety Disorders". Where does it indicate prevention? Can you provide a direct quote from the piece that mentioned prevention? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 00:21, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 7 July 2015

Mental disorder → Mental illness – A very simple rationale here: WP:COMMONNAME.

Both informally, from my own experience (I have very rarely heard the term "mental disorder", whereas "mental illness" is in common use. And also from an ngram search: [1], "mental illness" has been several times more common in books than "mental disorder" for at least the last 40 years. This was originally moved as a result of a rather short dicussion at Talk:Mental_disorder/Archive_3#Mental_disorder_vs_Mental_illness in 2007, with those discussing it at the time acknowledging the common name issue, but reasoning that some health organisations prefer the term disorder. But our policy is to go with the common name in reliable sources, not to prefer anything just because it has more WP:OFFICIALNAME status, therefore I think the argument used at the time was contrary to policy. Thanks. --Relisted. Cúchullain ^t/c 18:01, 23 July 2015 (UTC) Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 13:24, 15 July 2015 (UTC)  — Amakuru (talk) 14:40, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

• Support. The Ngram stats clearly support the proposed title as the WP:COMMONNAME. Zarcadia (talk) 16:16, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
• Support. The concept of "mental disorder" is broader than that of "mental illness", but the lead sentence makes it clear that the latter is what's covered in this article. Moreover, use of the term "mental disorder" risks descending into euphemism rather than discussing the topic neutrally. 209.211.131.181 (talk) 22:57, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
• Comment/Oppose: I somehow overlooked this discussion. Amakuru, I don't understand how you have "very rarely heard the term 'mental disorder.'" Mental disorder is also in common use, as is indicated by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems (ICD), World Health Organization (WHO) and various other medical sources. In fact, these days, it is the more common term. The alternative term mental illness is more so outdated, going back to when things (such as homosexuality) that, these days, are no longer considered a mental disorder by the vast majority of the scientific community were termed "a mental illness." While medical sources still use the word mental illness, it is more common for them to use mental disorder. With regard to the IP's argument, it is more so the case that mental illness is a euphemism for "mental disorder." Like Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Medicine-related articles#Article titles, states, "The article title should be the scientific or recognised medical name that is most commonly used in recent, high-quality, English-language medical sources, rather than a lay term (unscientific or slang name) or a historical eponym that has been superseded." So I oppose Just Chilling having moved this article based on the two support votes above. I'll go ahead and contact WP:Med to weigh in on this discussion. Flyer22 (talk) 05:21, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Alerted. Flyer22 (talk) 05:26, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

WP:COMMONNAME and MEDMOS appear to be often in conflict with regards the naming of medical articles. I tend to favour MEDMOS advice, however typically these discussions end up favouring COMMONNAME. Matthew Ferguson (talk) 06:56, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Matthew Ferguson 57 (talk · contribs), and I don't see how "Mental disorder" is not the primary common name. Above, Amakuru stated "'mental illness' has been several times more common in books than 'mental disorder' for at least the last 40 years." Language evolves, as we know. For an article move, I don't think that we should be considering what was the common name (at least not as a primary concern); we should be considering what is the common name now. Flyer22 (talk) 07:12, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Also, looking at other medical articles, such as Myocardial infarction (commonly known as "heart attack"), I don't see that these discussions typically end up going against WP:MEDMOS. And, recently, after multiple move debates, Sexually transmitted disease was changed to Sexually transmitted infection. But I don't see "mental disorder" vs. "mental illness" as quite the same thing as those cases. Flyer22 (talk) 07:23, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Actually, if comparing this case to the "sexually transmitted disease" vs. "sexually transmitted infection" aspect, it is similar with regard to what medical sources prefer. And what medical sources prefer was noted at Talk:Mental disorder/Archive 3#Mental disorder vs Mental illness, with an editor referencing an ICD-10 statement. Flyer22 (talk) 07:35, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

• support per WP: COMMONNAME --Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 11:13, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
• Support per WP:COMMONNAME. Just Chilling (talk) 19:51, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
• Comment: As others have noted, both terms are in common usage in lay publications. "Mental disorder" evolved as part of the "political correctness" hysteria, when "mental illness" was deemed derogatory. Within the profession, both are considered too vague to be useful; one hardly ever sees either one used in medical charts, other than generic entries under "review of systems" ("no history of mental illness"). But this is not a medical textbook, so either term is probably acceptable in this context -- although I would lean minimally (perhaps 10 degrees) toward "mental illness". DoctorJoeE ^{review transgressions}/_{talk to me!} 20:19, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
• Mental disorder as that is what WHO uses.[2] Both are equally common more or less therefore no strong feelings. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:10, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
• Comment - When considering wp:COMMONNAME one does well to recall that it is just one aspect of the "Recognizability" criterion, which in turn is just one of five general wp:NAMINGCRITERIA. It requires comparison to usage in reliable English-language sources. For medical topics, the identification of reliable sources is detailled in wp:MEDRS, and the application of MEDRS to NC is elaborated in wp:NCMED. There is no solid policy argument for applying lay titles to medical subjects and indeed there is clear guidance against that practice. The discussion Flyer22 links above led to moving the article from "mental illness" to "mental disorder", but both are accepted in MEDRS sources. Site-searching at psychiatry.org and at apa.org both terms are found, and used more or less interchangably, but "mental illness" is prevalent by far. This is a very nice example. LeadSongDog come howl! 21:16, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

[ WP:Edit conflict ]: Ozzie10aaaa and Just Chilling, do you have any proof that "mental illness" is the common name and that "mental disorder" is not the common name? Also, keep in mind that there can be more than one common name, as is the case here. "Mental disorder" and "mental illness" are both common names for this topic, the two most common. Even when one does the WP:Search engine test, and sees that "mental illness" has more results than "mental disorder", it's easy to see that the "mental illness" results have the word mental disorder thrown in. This is an example of it being a good thing that WP:Search engine test and WP:GOOGLEHITS advise against significantly relying on Google results. And, DoctorJoeE, can you provide a WP:Reliable source supporting your statement that "'[m]ental disorder' evolved as part of the 'political correctness' hysteria, when 'mental illness' was deemed derogatory"? Going by the IP's argument above, mental disorder is more derogatory. And like an editor in the aforementioned "Mental disorder vs Mental illness" discussion stated, the ICD-10 relays, "Most international clinical documents avoid use of the term 'mental illness', preferring to use the term 'mental disorder' instead [...] The ICD-10 states that 'the term 'disorder' is used so as to avoid the even greater problems inherent in the use of terms such as 'disease' and 'illness'." If one looks at our Disease article covering the terminology debates, that person can see what the ICD-10 means. We no longer have an Illness article; it redirects to the Terminology section of the Disease article. So for those arguing WP:COMMONNAME, take note that the WP:COMMONNAME policy states, "Ambiguous or inaccurate names for the article subject, as determined in reliable sources, are often avoided even though they may be more frequently used by reliable sources." It even has a note that states, "For example, heart attack is an ambiguous title, because the term can refer to multiple medical conditions, including cardiac arrest, myocardial infarction, and panic attack." Taking all of that into consideration, LeadSongDog and Doc James, should we really have "Mental illness" as the primary title? I've changed my initial comment above so that it states "Oppose" in addition to "Comment."

On a side note: Cuchullain, thanks for the move back. Flyer22 (talk) 21:48, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

@Flyer22: I did not provide WP:RS for my statement because it was based on personal experience, and I wasn't proposing its inclusion in the article; but to answer your question, you provided the source yourself in your excerpt from the ICD-10 manual above (in bold type). I'm not a big fan of political correctness in medical terminology (Hansen's disease instead of leprosy, for example); but again, I have no strong objection to either of the proposed titles, since they are equally nebulous (and about as useful as "indigestion" in a clinical context), so I will abide by consensus. DoctorJoeE ^{review transgressions}/_{talk to me!} 22:35, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

DoctorJoeE (last time WP:Pinging you to this section because I assume that you will check back here if you want to read replies or that this page is on your WP:Watchlist), I don't see how the ICD-10 excerpt supports your that statement "'[m]ental disorder' evolved as part of the 'political correctness' hysteria, when 'mental illness' was deemed derogatory." The ICD-10 excerpt supports "mental disorder" being more accurate than "mental illness." Again, I pointed to the Disease article's Terminology section for further clarification; but, yes, I am aware that it's a section that needs more sourcing, and that its Disorder listing states, "The term disorder is often considered more value-neutral and less stigmatizing than the terms disease or illness, and therefore is a preferred terminology in some circumstances." I also know that, regarding my note that we don't have an Illness article, the Disorder page is a disambiguation page and Disorder (medicine) redirects to the Disease article's Terminology section.

Also, to everyone, I don't need to be WP:Pinged to this talk page since it's on my WP:Watchlist. And for what some other sources state on "mental disorder" vs. "mental illness", you can click on the sources link below. The sources on this debate are generally (generally being the keyword) stating the same thing -- that, despite the terms mental disorder and mental illness being used interchangeably, mental disorder is more accurate and/or broader than mental illness (it's an umbrella term).

James Cantor, since you specialize in mental disorders, do you have any take on this matter?

Click on this to see the sources.

In this 2002 "The distinction between personality disorder and mental illness" review article by the British Journal of Psychiatry (which, yes, I know is a bit outdated WP:MEDDATE-wise), different pieces state, "Whichever of the four concepts or definitions is chosen, it is impossible to conclude with confidence that personality disorders are, or are not, mental illnesses; there are ambiguities in the definitions and basic information about personality disorders is lacking. [...] The historical reasons for regarding personality disorders as fundamentally different from mental illnesses are being undermined by both clinical and genetic evidence. Effective treatments for personality disorders would probably have a decisive influence on psychiatrists' attitudes. [...] Psychiatrists, and perhaps British psychiatrists more than most, are ambivalent about whether to regard personality disorders as mental illnesses. [...] Personality disorders are described in the International Classification of Mental and Behavioural Disorders (ICD-10) as ‘deeply ingrained and enduring behaviour patterns, manifesting themselves as inflexible responses to a broad range of personal and social situations’; they represent ‘either extreme or significant deviations from the way the average individual in a given culture perceives, thinks, feels, and particularly relates to others’ and are ‘developmental conditions, which appear in childhood or adolescence and continue into adulthood’ (World Health Organization, 1992a). They are distinguished from mental illness by their enduring, potentially lifelong nature and by the assumption that they represent extremes of normal variation rather than a morbid process of some kind." This 2005 WHO Resource Book on Mental Health, Human Rights and Legislation source (from the World Health Organization), page 21, states, "A number of consumer organizations oppose use of the terms mental illness and mental patient on the grounds that these support the dominance of the medical model. Most international clinical documents avoid use of the term mental illness, preferring to use the term mental disorder instead [...] Disorder is not an exact term, but is used here to 'imply the existence of a clinically recognisable set of symptoms or behavior associated in most cases with distress and with interference with personal functions. Social deviance or conflict alone, without personal dysfunction, should not be included in mental disorder as defined here' [...] The term mental disorder can cover mental illness, mental retardation (also known as mental handicap and intellectual disability), personality disorders and substance dependence. Not everyone considers all of these to be mental disorders; yet many legislative issues that pertain to conditions such as schizophrenia and bipolar depression apply equally to other conditions such as mental retardation, and therefore a broad definition is preferred." This 2007 Humanising Psychiatry and Mental Health Care source (from Radcliffe Publishing), page 59, states, "In the field of mental health, however, the term mental illness is the term often used to encompass all meanings and situations. Furthermore, when mental health professionals, especially psychiatrists, use the term mental illness, they are often implying a concrete abnormality or disease process, i.e. something objective rather than subjective. It was this that led Szasz to denounce the term mental illness as a myth because, according to him, no physical lesion has been, or is likely ever to be, demonstrated. [...] Within medical circles mental illness is sometimes referred to as a 'functional' disorder because the diagnosis is based on a disorder of function, e.g. of speech or thought processes. In this way it is distinguished from an 'organic' disorder, where there is demonstrable physical pathology. Use of the term functional is usually made in general hospitals as a way of saying it's 'mental not physical' or 'we haven't found a physical cause so over to the psychiatrists'. To add to the potential confusion of this array of terms, whilst mental disorder and mental illness are often used synonymously, within mental health settings mental illness is referred to as one particular type of mental disorder, mental disorder being a broader umbrella term." This 2011 Mental Illness source (from Polity), pages 13-14, states, "The term mental disorder (literally 'not order', and another 'dis' word) has fewer medical connotations and does not make specific assumptions about the underlying disease process. It has been used in all post-Second World War psychiatric classifications, since it better encompasses the diversity of conditions they cover, which include mental retardation (formerly mental deficiency and hardly an illness) and personality and behavior disorders. It has also become common to talk of mental health instead of mental illness, even though the focus in studies of mental health is in practice largely on mental illness. [...] However, in many contexts the words mental illness and mental disorder are used interchangeably."

Flyer22 (talk) 01:41, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Once again, I don't feel strongly on this question one way or the other -- but to spell out what I thought would be obvious, the ICD-10 excerpt says, "the term 'disorder' is used so as to avoid the even greater problems inherent in the use of terms such as 'disease' and 'illness'." One of those "inherent problems" is the derogatory connotation attached to "disease" and "illness" that evolved as part of the political correctness fad. But we're making a mountain out of a molehill here -- I basically agree with the Polity excerpt, above, that the two terms are usually used interchangeably, rightly or wrongly. Mental health professionals prefer more precise terms, such as psychosis (schizophrenia, bipolar, etc.), neurosis, personality disorder, etc, etc -- any and all of which are subsets of either "mental illness" or "mental disorder". One can argue that the latter term encompasses a larger group of abnormalities, or that the former implies a more serious situation, or make any number of other distinctions; but for WP's purposes they are interchangeable. Pick one. DoctorJoeE ^{review transgressions}/_{talk to me!} 06:23, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

I'll just add: This article getting moved to Mental illness will be a mistake, per the reasons and sources I cited above. And if I see editors changing "mental disorder" to "mental illness" in our Wikipedia articles, such as the Major depressive disorder article, based on the "mental illness" title of this article and the fact that they don't know about or do not adhere to the WP:NOTBROKEN guideline, I will be revisiting this case (via a WP:Med discussion and/or another WP:Requested move discussion). Flyer22 (talk) 02:32, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose per flyer22 given the negative connotations. If changed to "mental illness", will we be renaming to "attention deficit hyperactivity illness" and "autism spectrum illness"? They are within the spectrum of mental illness. Ping me with {{u|Jim1138}} and sign "~~~~" or message me on my talk page. 03:52, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose per flyer22 and per the difference between saying that "you have something that is not conventionally in order" and saying "you're sick". Within a sets view point any condition that may arguably be labelled as a "mental illness" may also be considered to be a "mental disorder" but the reverse is not true. In some cases even "disorder" may be POV. In the case of the so called Sexual masochism disorder and Sexual sadism disorder sexual stimulation is given in certain circumstances which, in safe, sane and consensual contexts may potentially be totally in order. However the current proposal goes one stage further and labels a wide range of people with a word associated with disease. GregKaye 06:57, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
• Comment- I am interested to hear the result of this discussion. I do feel the guidance needs to be discussed and consensus reached. Currently there seems to be conflict between COMMONNAME and MEDMOS with regards how articles should be named. It appears from the evidence presented above that mental disorder would be the choice according to MEDMOS and mental illness according to COMMONNAME. As I mentioned previously, there have been a few of these discussions, which typically end up going with COMMONNAME. E.g. this is why we have an article vaginal yeast infection and not vulvovaginal candidiasis anymore (a less precise term imo). Matthew Ferguson (talk) 07:04, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Matthew Ferguson 57 (talk · contribs), as you may have seen, I responded to you above about this. I have asked editors above what proof there is that "mental illness" is the common name and that "mental disorder" is not the common name. No proof/solid evidence has been provided. I also noted the Google searches aspect. And it has been made clear above by more than just me that "mental disorder" and "mental illness" are both commonly used for this topic. Flyer22 (talk) 07:28, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Matthew Ferguson 57 (talk · contribs) The term "Mental Illness" is far from being common name for many of the potentially negative medical "conditions" presented within Wikipedia's List of mental disorders. (Please note that the presence of articles such as this also raises issues related to WP:CRITERIA : consistency).

In the example of autism, search results indicate the words autism AND disorder to coincide in usage in "About 8,050" books while indicating the words autism AND illness to coincide in usage in "About 2,180" books. Autistic people have mental conditions that don't work in the conventional order and yet they can be very highly and beneficially functional. Autism is not defined as a mental illness although there may be a higher rate of other mental illnesses in people with autism. Tell someone that only has autism that they have an illness and face the consequences.

However I admit that I may be wrong regarding boundaries of definitions and any other potentially related issues. Pinging Doc James for a second opinion. GregKaye 10:12, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

The autism comparison is a very good example, GregKaye. Imagine if we started off the WP:Lead sentence of the Autism article calling autism a mental illness. It is definitely not precise to call autism an illness. It's also rather distasteful. And in this case, I can see how "mental illness" is derogatory. Having a relative with autism (someone who is currently age 4), I know on a personal level that it's not exactly an illness. But then again, we don't call autism a mental disorder in the Autism article either; we call it a neurodevelopmental disorder. Flyer22 (talk) 12:29, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

• Comment. Hi, folks. Happy to add what I can. On the one hand, “mental illness” is indeed the more common term among the public. It is generally vaguer and broader than “mental disorder.” It also gets used as a euphemism or synonym for someone with any psychotic symptom(s). (I am not aware of much discussion in which “mental disorder” is a euphemism for “mental illness.” In my experience, both terms, and all medical terminology, are stigmatized.) “Mental disorder,” is the medical/scientific term, about which experts and large professional organizations update/reconsider specific definitions and debate exact boundaries for what ought to count or not count. Which WP policy should have precedence here, you folks are much more experienced with than I am. — James Cantor (talk) 17:45, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

James Cantor, thanks for commenting. I hope you don't mind that I moved your comment down. I moved it down because it had cut in between my comment (I mean the sources I listed above), and because I have a preference for chronological order for comments when it can be done without messing up the flow of a thread. If you want your comment moved back up, but beneath the sources, feel free. As for your take on this matter... Like I stated to others above (for example, my "7:28, 25 July 2015 (UTC)" post), I see no proof that "mental illness is indeed the more common term among the public." Furthermore, sources I listed above imply or state that mental disorder is the broader term, and that medical professionals commonly prefer mental disorder over mental illness. Flyer22 (talk) 22:06, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

• Comment - I've been offline for a while, so I've only just seen that debate has surfaced. I was giving my personal experience that I've not heard of "mental disorder" before, but that's just me, and of of course not relevant. As to suggestions that the two terms are equally common, I'd have thought the ngram clearly shows that they are not. WP:COMMONNAME and WP:OFFICIALNAME are there for a reason, and local guidelines at MEDMOS or elsewhere do not override those policies. This is an encyclopedia, not a medical journal or scientific paper, and even the WHO or government used terms do not override what's commonly used in reliable sources. The public would expect this article to be at the common name that they recognize. As for the "negative connotations" of mental illness, I don't even understand that... one of the reasons the current title actually jarred with me because the term "disorder" sounds much more negative than "illness". I've had plenty of illnesses in my life, but never something I'd call a disorder. That is a major negative term. Anyway, I stand by my support as nominator, and I think the argument is clearly rooted in Wikipedia policy, without a major reason to ignore the rules in this case. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 17:21, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

In reality howerver MEDRS routinely "overrides" RS. Matthew Ferguson (talk) 19:03, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Possibly, although in what I've seen of the matter, actually MEDRS isn't usually in conflict with RS, it's more an attempt to enforce RS (particularly the preference for secondary sources) rather more rigorously than is the norm in other articles. I don't have an issue with that, I am persuaded by the usefulness of that approach, particularly as there is a wide body of secondary research available for medical topics, as well as the undeniable fact that despite our explicit disclaimers on the subject, many people self treat or seek guidance on symptoms from Wikipedia. However, when it comes to naming, that's a different ball game. We are not risking people reaching the wrong conclusions by calling this "mental illness", in fact we're aiding their research on the subject, as that is the name they will expect the article to be called. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 19:34, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Amakuru, regarding your ngram argument, I commented: Above, Amakuru stated "'mental illness' has been several times more common in books than 'mental disorder' for at least the last 40 years." Language evolves, as we know. For an article move, I don't think that we should be considering what was the common name (at least not as a primary concern); we should be considering what is the common name now.

I also commented: Even when one does the WP:Search engine test, and sees that "mental illness" has more results than "mental disorder", it's easy to see that the "mental illness" results have the word mental disorder thrown in. This is an example of it being a good thing that WP:Search engine test and WP:GOOGLEHITS advise against significantly relying on Google results.

So, yes, I still see no solid evidence that "mental illness" is the common name and that "mental disorder" is not the common name. Since both of these terms are common names for this topic, and are the two most common names for it, we should be going with the more precise/more clinically appropriate name. Even the WP:Common name policy is clear about that. I noted that it states, "Ambiguous or inaccurate names for the article subject, as determined in reliable sources, are often avoided even though they may be more frequently used by reliable sources." And I added, "It even has a note that states, 'For example, heart attack is an ambiguous title, because the term can refer to multiple medical conditions, including cardiac arrest, myocardial infarction, and panic attack.'" And as noted by the sources I listed above, the more precise/more clinically appropriate name in this case is "mental disorder." Flyer22 (talk) 01:00, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

• Support Using the word "illness" puts it into the same light as cancer, diabetes, heart disease, and HIV/AIDS. The word "disorder" implies that the condition is "wrong" without actually defining what it is. At least "illness" gives the assumption that it is curable. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 21:03, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Editors' personal opinions about whether the world should use the term disorder or illness are entirely irrelevent here. The decision is based purely on what the majority of high quality sources use. Matthew Ferguson (talk) 21:16, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Shhhhwwww!! (talk · contribs), that is incorrect. Look at the sources on this matter, including the sources I provided above. Having a mental disorder is not necessarily about rightness or wrongness, but more so about the mind functioning in a way that is non-standard. Rightness or wrongness can be an aspect, of course. But to use your terminology of "wrong," disorder is clear about why a disorder is "wrong" when the article is clear about it. This Wikipedia Mental disorder article has a Definitions and Classifications section, for example. Furthermore, the term mental illness has been argued above as more derogatory than mental disorder. Your rationale for moving this article or keeping it where it is should be in compliance with what Matthew Ferguson 57 stated in his "21:16, 26 July 2015 (UTC)" post above. WP:IDON'TLIKEIT or WP:ILIKEIT rationales are not valid and should be discounted by the closer of this thread. Flyer22 (talk) 01:00, 27 July 2015 (UTC)