User talk:Karmafist

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My Manifesto

¿Como estás?

Welcome back! I got a new username (and a new sig): Λυδαcιτγ^{(TheJabberwock)}. Like it?

I don't know if you care about userboxes, but I think everybody (with the possible exception of Cyde) is sick of the userbox wars. It seems like people are accepting Wikipedia:The German solution. I personally have subst'ed all my boxes, so I don't care that much.

Hopefully your Wikibreak has enabled you to edit articles once again!

See you around, Λυδαcιτγ^{(TheJabberwock)} 02:23, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Welcome from me, too! --GeorgeMoney ^T·C 03:12, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Edit summaries

Karmafist, what do you hope to achieve with your edit summaries? --Sam Blanning^(talk) 08:37, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Karmafist - those edit summaries are not helpful to this project. You are spamming your e-mail address for personal reasons and stirring up dissent. I realise that your intentions are no doubt good, but the effect is disruptive and makes you look like a troll. Please cease and desist. I really wouldn't want to have to block you. Use e-mail if you want to contact people off-wiki. --Doc ^ask? 08:58, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Let me be quite clear, before I'm misrepresented. I think a book about wikipedia might be a great thing. If this project is to succeed then critical reflection and constructive comment is neccessary. We must also be open to people trashign us too. My objection is to the misuse of edit summaries - they are for...well summarising edits.... not advertising projects. E-mail folk. Post to the Pump for comments. Why not see if Signpost will do an article on your project? Just don't misuse edit summaries - and don't (and I'm sure your not) stir up conflicts. A book should record not increase any problems. --Doc ^ask? 11:24, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

save wikipedia

wikipedia is fine, thank you. Cheers.User:Mikereichold | User_talk:Mikereichold 12:50, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Are you sure? because I don't think it is. ILovePlankton 18:31, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

What's wrong? --Cyde↔Weys 18:32, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Well for one users who continue to disrupt wikipedia after they have been asked multiple times to stop and no one does anything about it. And there is far to much fighting going on and not enough trying to make wikipedia better. ILovePlankton 18:38, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

For two, disruptive admins, and users who show any resistance whatsoever being labelled "disruptive" or "trolls". Shall we go on? There's more material yet. — Nathan ^(talk) 03:50, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

I need specifics; these accusations are all way too vague. --Cyde↔Weys 17:22, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

A very sad thank you

Thank you for your vote in my recent RFA. At 43/43/14, I decided it was best to withdraw. I will wait until another time for an RFA. Thanks again, ILovePlankton 03:19, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Greetings

Hi, Karmafist. I'm sorry to say that I don't think you should be unblocked either. Your recent edit summaries have nothing to do with your edits; they appear to me to be an attempt to spam recent changes. (Just imagine if everyone on Wikipedia were to use edit summaries that way—they'd be useless for recent change patrolling!) They do, also, go against the spirit of the arbitration ruling. I believe that you do want to make positive change here, but your methods of going about it are only hurting you. You are welcome to mention your projects to your personal friends and contacts, but misusing features such as edit summaries to do it is not acceptable.

Also, please don't remove others' comments while you still have the request to unblock up. It's misleading to other admins who wish to evaluate your request if they cannot see that others have refused. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 22:25, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

hey Karma, what goes around comes around (even though it seems to take too long). i might suggest to not let your recently gained political power in NH go to your head. things go around there, too. r b-j 20:00, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, rbj. Ditto for you too, buddy. Karmafist ^{Save Wikipedia} 21:08, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Your book

Do you have a title for it? ILovePlankton 21:37, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I like that title, it seems to go well with where wikipedia is at right now. Also I have a couple of questions. Is it going to be a story about you, or is it going to be a book about wikipedia? Will you have other people in the book (Like me? :p), and if you do will they have the same names in your book as they do on wikipedia? After the book is done are you going to leave wikipedia (please don't)? Is it going to sell in canada and Britain? ILovePlankton 17:08, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Did you miss my questions? ILovePlankton 22:36, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, but I was also wondering if it would sell in canada or britain, I know nathanrdotcom would like to buy it, if you don't know I understand. sorry about that ILovePlankton 22:45, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

You have a way of making me feel good. :) Thank you for all you have done for me and wikipedia. ILovePlankton 22:53, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh I second that, of course. — Nathan ^(talk) _{/ 19:32, 9 July 2006 (UTC)}

call it an award if you want

Template:Osbus's cucumber barn star A while ago you welcomed me under a different username, Afc3737. Well here I am btw is your book about Wikipedia? B/c I already started writing one :). --Osbus 23:46, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

On my userpage, how do I align the boxes vertically on the right?

Re:book

The book Im writing is along the lines of wiki-culture and focuses on WP. Nevertheless, I have plenty of ideas for your book...but is it meant to be published and read by WP editors or the general public? Good luck, --Osbus 02:13, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for coming back and not getting blocked! Your edit summaries are looking a lot better now. --TantalumTelluride 02:24, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

I concur. —Nightstallion (?) 14:55, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

A short Esperanzial update

As you may have gathered, discussions have been raging for about a week on the Esperanza talk page as to the future direction of Esperanza. Some of these are still ongoing and warrant more input (such as the idea to scrap the members list altogether). However, some decisions have been made and the charter has hence been amended. See what happened. Basically, the whole leadership has had a reshuffle, so please review the new, improved charter.

As a result, we are electing 4 people this month. They will replace JoanneB and Pschemp and form a new tranche A, serving until December. Elections will begin on 2006-07-02 and last until 2006-07-09. If you wish to run for a Council position, add your name to the list before 2006-07-02. For more details, see Wikipedia:Esperanza/June 2006 elections.

Thanks and kind, Esperanzial regards, —Celestianpower ^háblame 16:00, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

I surely hope that you will try for nomination. --Nearly Headless Nick 09:38, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Hello

I just saw you and dropped in to say hello. How are you? Busy, I am sure. I wish you all the best for your new role in the real life. --Bhadani 16:51, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Our red tape and processes and all the attendant paraphernalia created to save and value add to wikipedia may be doing more harm than the good. Still, I being an eternal optimist shall do my part to improve the credibility of the Project and make it an encyclopedia in the truest sense than an encyclopedia based on consensus, and ultimately the largest blog created in the human history! Nice to hear from you. --Bhadani 17:00, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

advocate of democracy userbox

Hi,

Being the creator of:

This user advocates democracy.

I want to ask you if you would mind if I move your userbox to my user space per The German Solution to prevent its potential deletion? Tal :) 09:21, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I'll take that as a yes... Thanks! Tal :) 08:20, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Edit summaries

Dude, what's up with the Dadaist edit summaries? --Proto///type 14:53, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

We Need You

You're the only one who can lead the revolution against overzealous admins. Please come back full time and rally the troops. ^juppiter talk #c 18:42, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

AMA Roll Call

There is currently an AMA Roll Call going on. Please visit the page and sign your name to indicate whether or not you're still active. :-) אמר Steve Caruso _(desk/poll) 18:13, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Miracles do happen

Check it out. Maybe they wont get that Nobel, but this looks pretty good to me. talk to +MATIA 09:44, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Nifty

I didn't know this, but sorry about the outcome. Fairly conservative district I suppose?--MONGO 13:09, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Sure

Sure, I would like you to be around. Please.--Bhadani 13:23, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Neutral

I added a Neutral section to your manifesto page. the_ed17 17:53, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Andrew Sylvia

You shoukd re-create your article on Wikinfo or another wiki. — goethean ॐ 18:16, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

You might also try re-creating it here - the only reason it was deleted here was because the article was created by a banned user. If you recreate it and reliably source it, it potentially would not be deleted. FCYTravis 22:53, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

My dear Karmafist

My dear Karmafist, seing you showing up your beautiful face once again has filled me with joy - can I hope this means you're back with us? Please say you do.... I've missed you greatly these months :( Is there anything we can bribe you with? ;) If you feel like talking you know exactly where to find me ----> that way! Please take care, and I hope to see you back asap - big hugs, Phaedriel ♥ The Wiki Soundtrack!♪ - 19:58, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia Research Survey Request

Hello, I am a member of a research group at Palo Alto Research Center (formerly known as Xerox PARC) studying how conflicts occur and resolve on Wikipedia. Due to your experience in conflict resolution on Wikipedia (e.g., as a member of the Mediation Cabal) we’re extremely interested in your insights on this topic. We have a survey at http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=400792384029 which we are inviting a few selected Wikipedians to participate in, and we would be extremely appreciative if you would take the time to complete it. As a token of our gratitude, we would like to present you with a PARC research star upon completion. Thank you for your time.

Parc wiki researcher 00:06, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
PARC User Interface Research Group

Civility parole violation

I have blocked you for 48 hours for a violation of your civility parole with this edit. I just do not understand why you are constantly pushing the buttons as much as possible. A cursory glance over your block log seems to indicate that you have chronic problems with keeping yourself in check, and if this goes on any longer, you will end up facing the one year block per your RFAR sanction. --Cyde↔Weys 17:25, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Agree. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 17:26, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I have extended your block to 1 week per the terms of your arbitration probation. I was actually trying to be nice with only 48 hours, but your response made me realize the leniency wasn't deserved. --Cyde↔Weys 17:38, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I can't condone removing block notices and calling them "spam", but a block for that edit? There's a difference between criticism and uncivility. I see no name-calling or other similiar malfeasance here. Are you sure you're not looking too hard for reasons to block? Friday (talk) 17:54, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

See [1]; Between deciding not to contribute to the encyclopedia and incivility, Karmafist is choosing to walk a tightrope. Calling that edit -- a notification of a block -- "spam" while removing it is incivil in my book, and is a return to behavior that was raising hackles just a few weeks ago on this talkpage, actually. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 18:01, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

This has the hallmark of kicking someone when they are down. "*Delete due to Kelly's reputation, it appears to be a hitlist of some sort." is simple precis of the whole argument: If no one had thought it was a hitlist, no one would have cared. I'd like to see this block lifted. - Aaron Brenneman 03:33, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I've also removed the protection to this page. If someone removes a warning, replacing the warning and instructing them not to removing it may be appropiate, but there appears to e little consensus on this. Protecting the page after one removal is clearly overkill. --brenneman 03:36, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I support this block in view of the animus Karmafist has developed; describing such attacks as a "simple precis of the whole argument" isn't helping to make Wikipedia a reasonable place in which Kelly and others can work. Simply put, we can do without such loutish behavior and those who condone it. The protection was also reasonable in the circumstances, but not strictly necessary. --Tony Sidaway 19:51, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

We are talking about the creation of pseudo-attack lists with the stated aim of getting an adminstrator to block her, right? Because the suggestion that Karmafist was the uncivil one here is simply astounding. - brenneman ^{L} 15:13, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

There was no attack list nor anything that could be described as a pseudo-attack list. You're simply repeating and compounding Karmafist's attack. --Tony Sidaway 04:29, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I'd direct you to the meaning of "pseudo." Kelly had, by her own declaeration, created a pseduo-attack list in order to bait another adminstrator into deleting it/blocking her. She re-created multiple versions of this list after it was deleted. Karmafist accurately decribed the public perception, and does not in fact appear to be expressing his own opinon. To suggest that this was an attack, out of the blue, on someone just casually minding her own business is simply bizarre. - brenneman 04:39, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

You're simply repeating, in different permutations, your own misconception of what Kelly did and said. This appears to based upon the most malicious possible interpretation of her words, And that is pretty much what got Karmafist blocked under his incivility parole. --Tony Sidaway 04:45, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

How many possible interpretations are there of "I created it for one express purpose: to see if El C would jerk his knee and attempt to punish me for creating it."? - Aaron Brenneman 05:07, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I only want to address your misinterpretation, which is that "Kelly had, by her own declaeration, created a pseduo-attack list in order to bait another adminstrator into deleting it/blocking her." That interpretation can only have been based on the purest malice. --Tony Sidaway 05:12, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

That is, well, amazing. What exactly does that statement above of Kelly's mean then? The previous list was being discussed on ANI, there was some perception that it was an attack list. Please, provide some other reasonable interpretation of the statment linked above and explain how my summary is off-base, I'm dying to hear it. - Aaron Brenneman 05:21, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

It means only what it says. --Tony Sidaway 05:25, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

And it says "I created it (a pseudo-attack page) for one express purpose: to see if (bait) El C would jerk his knee and attempt to punish (block/delete) me for creating it." If there is another reasonable way to interpret that statement, you seem dreadfully hesitant to provide it. - brenneman ^{L} 09:29, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

That particular statement definetely seems like an attempt to bait El C. I don't see how else that can be interpreted without tripping all over yourself logically. The Ungovernable Force 09:54, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Hmm

I'm sorry to learn that you're in the midst of a conflict; I do hope that things eventually get sorted, and that when the block elapses, you will still be interested in contributing to the project. You are a good contributor.

Oh, and extremely belated thanks for voting on my RfA. DS 02:07, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Don't let the bastards win!

Just a reminder: You still have a lot more friends and supporters here than enemas. Please don't let a bunch of bullying, petty-minded, vindictive fools get you down. This is still OUR community, inspite of their best(worst) efforts to turn it into their own egotrip playground. Should they succeed, all our work will have been wasted and this project will be rendered a bigger joke than even Colbert could conceive. Courage and Truthiness my friend,--R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 16:40, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

this puts it all in perspective. Apologies for the Spam-a-rama if I sent it to you already Fist:>--R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 23:29, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Radio

You were mentioned by name on national radio today, have you heard? It was on Talk of the Nation, around 50-55 minutes into the show. You're famous! Or, in the context of the comment... perhaps infamous. :D Cheers, CHAIRBOY (☎) 04:36, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

What? Really? OMG, that's fabulous...:) --Nearly Headless Nick 12:24, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

User talk:Stephencolbert

Regarding the above, please review Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#User_talk:Stephencolbert to see why your edits are being reverted. Thanks! - CHAIRBOY (☎) 21:58, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

Unblock request

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Karmafist (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

I would like to know the justification of my block. The messages that were posted on the forum were not my work. It was some imposter.

Decline reason:

[2], [3],[4] --Tawker 07:59, 14 August 2006 (UTC)}. Additional diffs that I do not have at hand are included, however, it had nothing to do with any external forum, I have no knowledge of such.

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--Karmafist 06:45, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Reviewed and declined by Tawker. Formatting broken, though. - brenneman ^{L} 08:22, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

August Esperanza Newsletter

Program Feature: To-Do List The Esperanza To-Do List is a place where you may list any request, big or small, for assistance. If you need help with archiving your usertalk, for example, all you need to do is list it here and somebody will help you out. Likewise, if you need help with some area of editing on Wikipedia, list it here! Again, any matter, trivial or not, can be placed on this page. However, all matters listed on this page must not be of an argumentative nature. You do not need to be a member of Esperanza (or this program) to place or fulfill requests on this page. If you don't have any requests, consider coming by and fulfilling a few! This program has not been very active, but has lots of potential! What's New? In order to help proposed programs become specific enough to make into full-fledged programs, the In development section of the proposals page has been created. Proposals that are promising, but need to be organized in more detail are listed here. Please take a look at what is there, and help the proposals turn into programs. To improve both the layout and text of the front page, in an attempt to clarify the image of Esperanza, the front page is going to have some redesigning take place. Please take your creative minds to Wikipedia:Esperanza/Front page redesign to brainstorm good ideas. Many thanks to MiszaBot, courtesy of Misza13, for delivering the newsletter.

The last AC meeting (full log) In order to make sure all users who join Esperanza are welcomed, a list of volunteers who are willing to welcome new Esperanzians is at Wikipedia:Esperanza/Members#Esperanza_welcomers. Please add yourself if you are interested; we want to make sure all new Esperanza members are welcomed! The In development section of the proposals page has been created. Proposals page: Some proposals have been moved to the aforementioned "In development" section, some have been left as a proposal, and others have been archived. For those proposals that were a good idea but didn't necessarily constitute a program, General Esperanzial Actions has been created. Two small pieces of charter reform will be decided on in a straw poll at Wikipedia talk:Esperanza/Governance. One involves filling the position of any councillors who may leave, the other involves reforming the charter. Until cooperation with the Kindness Campaign is better defined, it remains as a proposed program. There is a page for discussing the front page redesign. Signed... Natalya, Banes, Celestianpower, EWS23, FireFox, Freakofnurture, and Titoxd 05:03, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

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