Talk:Two Hearts (Kish Mauve song)

Wrong info on B-sides

The writing credits on my CDs seem to have the opposite to what is written on the Wikipedia page. Which is correct? Wiki or the CDs? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.171.47.254 (talk) 23:38, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

This has been fixed. -- Underneath-it-All (talk) 04:39, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

GA pass

I'm glad to say that the article is nicely written, well referenced and is broad in coverage, passing the GA criteria. I have made a little copyedit and added a source which was probably needed. I removed the note about Madonna having ten number ones as there is no source covering it, and I can't find a source that says this. Fell free to add it back if you can find a source.

Otherwise, the article is good and difficult to fault. Thanks to everyone who contributed. Merry Christmas :) RaNdOm26 (talk) 12:01, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!! -- Underneath-it-All (talk) 17:09, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

GA Reassessment

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This article does not meet the GA criteria. The original review was shoddy in the first place. This article is not only skinny, but it is not fully sourced (breaks #2, 2 Hearts#Release history, 2 Hearts#Track listings, 2 Hearts#Live performances, 2 Hearts#Background and release). I Help, When I Can. ^[12] 00:47, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

• Support delist — As the nominator said, the article's content is quite small, which doesn't really have to be much of a problem, but there's a lot of unsourced information. ℥^nding·start 19:12, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
• Support delist - Definitely not up to standards. Candyo32 00:29, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
• Support delist – Not on par to be a GA in no way, not even a B-class article. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 15:49, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
• Support delist Pixelyoshi (discuter) 16:06, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
  • You need to write why... I Help, When I Can. ^[12] 23:14, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
    • Not fully sourced and quite small Pixelyoshi (discuter) 17:23, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

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Fair use of sound file

Since the sound file, File:Kylie - 2 hearts.ogg, has been removed by one editor citing WP:NFC, without saying how this image specifically violates it, I am starting a discussion here so that the image is not deleted simply for being orphaned.

The current consensus for sound files are that they are acceptable for use in single/song articles as long as they are small samples of the song. Aspects (talk) 18:33, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

• Keep - its useful and helps the readers to get an impression about the song.--SuperHotWiki (talk) 00:39, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: move the page, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 01:30, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

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2 Hearts → 2 Hearts (Kylie Minogue song) – WP:Naming conventions (music): 2 Hearts (Toto song) Two Hearts (Phil Collins song) Two Hearts (Stephanie Mills song). In ictu oculi (talk) 00:19, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

• Support, the current title should redirect to the disambiguation page -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 05:28, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
• Support: Having titles of songs that sound the same but differ only in styling is poor practice. "2 Hearts" should be dabbed. —BarrelProof (talk) 20:00, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

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Requested move 28 January 2019

2 Hearts (2007 song) → 2 Hearts (Kish Mauve song) – A few days ago, I moved the page from 2 Hearts (Kylie Minogue song) to 2 Hearts (Kish Mauve song) because the song is a cover version as Kish Mauve published the song in 2005 (Kish Mauve (EP)). @KHBritish: moved the page according to a misunderstanding of WP:NCM (I cite their rationale: "If the lyricist(s) and/or the composer(s) are not well-recognized, or [...] notable performers that have covered it are better known than the original recording artist, the year of publication will be used".) But completely forgot the first clause: "If there is no defined performer of an old song (over 50 years)", so the move is incorrect, not only because it is not a pre-1969 song, but also because it is neither a 2007 song. So I request the move back to "(Kish Mauve song) per WP:NCM. © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 02:30, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

• Comment: Your interpretation of WP:NCM appears to be correct and clearly the current title won't do. On the other hand, the "correct" title is not without it's problems, firstly because the original version appears to be titled "Two Hearts" as opposed to "2 Hearts" (at least according to the EP article), secondly because the song article only briefly mentions the original and is almost exclusively about the Kylie Minogue version. PC78 (talk) 11:53, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

• @PC78: How can this article be about Kish Mauve, when users like @Subtropical-man: or KHBritish are excluding those changes and requesting an "independent article" against WP:SONGCOVER. © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 14:39, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

• Generaly, song by Kish Mauve is not reliable by Wikipedia standards, mention in the article is sufficient. It does not change the fact that the article is about hit by Kylie Minogue. Subtropical-man (✉ | en-2) 15:20, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose - this article is all about the 2007 song by Kylie Minogue, well know song. This name is correct and obvious. Or eventually, I support move to name of "2 Hearts (song)" without year. The song is (like most in the music market) another authorship (in this case - Kish Mauve) - there is mention about Kish Mauve in the article. Subtropical-man (✉ | en-2) 12:50, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

• 2 Hearts (Toto song) exists. Also there are multiple examples why "being more popular by other" is irrelevant, the most famous example is perhaps Torn (Ednaswap song). © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 14:39, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

• Always there are exceptions for any cases, it does not mean anything. 2 Hearts (Toto song) is not reliable, article to delete. Torn (Ednaswap song) is to rename. Simply. The encyclopedia should be neutral, not extremely controversial. If there is no reliable song previously by author X, and the song is famous in the world as a hit by singer Y, we should use a neutral name of "name of article (song)". Subtropical-man (✉ | en-2) 15:08, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

• In that order:

"Always there are exceptions", in fact you are trying make this the exception, not the rule. "Torn" is just one example of many.

"2 Hearts (Toto song) is to be deleted" Then request an AFD. There are also other Two Hearts.

"Torn (Ednaswap song) is to rename." Request a RM providing evidence why it should be moved, as I said these are not isolated cases.

"The encyclopedia should be neutral". The name Kish Mauve title is neutral. Saying Minogue's version is a hit and therefore deserves to have her as its title is not neutral.

You are using the word wikt:reliable incorrectly in several of your statements

"We should use a neutral name of "name of article (song)", yes, when there is no conflict against other uses of Two Hearts (song). © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 15:46, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

• Yes, maybe create request an AFD for "2 Hearts (Toto song)" because this song does not meet the requirements of the Wikipedia. No, the name Kish Mauve title is not neutral. Only single by Kylie Minogue is reliable per requirements of the Wikipedia and all atricle is about single by Kylie Minogue. Rename article about well know single by Kylie Minogue to "2 Hearts (Kish Mauve song)" is absurd. Kish Mauve is author previously no reliable version and they deserve to add information to the article but never the article about well known hit by Kylie Minogue should be renaming to Kish Mauve. Please stop feeling sorry for yourself. The conflict is serious, your propositions is unacceptable. Generally, the article should have a previous name of "2 Hearts (Kylie Minogue song)" before your change from 7 January 2019‎ because all article is about single by Kylie Minogue, simply. However, I see a problem with the previously author of song, that's why I propose a change for neutral "2 Hearts (song)". Subtropical-man (✉ | en-2) 16:39, 28 January 2019 (UTC)