User talk:Thincat

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Judging by [1], you are not aware of {{HD}}. Those prove useful. Cheers! Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 10:32, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. I was not aware of the template (but for communication I never use templates anyway). I expect there is a template for saying what I have just said! Thincat (talk) 12:19, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

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AFD

Thank you for reminding and making me think better about the AFD in question, I have now presented the valid reasons for deletion. Capitals00 (talk) 08:48, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know. I don't have any knowledge of what sources have to say on the matter so I will not be taking part in any discussion. I suspect it is a matter of editorial judgement how things should be handled. Thincat (talk) 09:05, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

DYK for List of Mountain Bothies Association bothies

On 23 May 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article List of Mountain Bothies Association bothies, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that you can stay overnight free of charge in any of over ninety bothies (Corrour Bothy pictured), but you must bring your own fuel if you want to watch "bothy TV"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/List of Mountain Bothies Association bothies. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, List of Mountain Bothies Association bothies), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Mifter (talk) 00:02, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Very nice!

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		Wanted to give you this for that amazing work on List of Mountain Bothies Association bothies. That's a real public service—and it's a treat to read about something you had no idea existed. Veggies (talk) 19:36, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. It was a lot of work but it drove home to me how Geoff Allan for his book must have done a hundred times more work. I did know that bothies existed but I've never been in one and on the two occasions I've been at a place where one is I didn't realise there was a bothy there at all! Thincat (talk) 19:54, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar

Amazing job on List of Mountain Bothies Association bothies! You took a subject that few people have ever heard of and gave it the full FA treatment. The DYK hook was also fantastic! Since I was the one who promoted it to the image slot, I thought it might show a conflict of interest to give you a barnstar for it on the spot, so I waited until after it appeared on the main page. Guess what? 37,379 readers agree with me! Keep up the great work! Yoninah (talk) 09:04, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

@Yoninah: Thank you for your message. I was pleased it had gone to the image slot, it was a very good photo for Geograph. As for the hook, at least two people complained about it (not the usual suspects) and seemingly administrative action was required while it was on the main page![2][3] The article got a lot of hits and I'll see about that when I have time. Thincat (talk) 17:29, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

RfA

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Thanks for supporting my run for administrator. I am honored and grateful. ) Cullen328 Let's discuss it 21:52, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Thomas Abernethy (explorer)

On 11 September 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Thomas Abernethy (explorer), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in 1831 Thomas Abernethy was in James Clark Ross's party—the first to reach the North Magnetic Pole? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Thomas Abernethy (explorer). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Thomas Abernethy (explorer)), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Apologies; I had never heard of that little factoid before. I've withdrawn the FfDs. ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 00:10, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. I've replied on your talk page. Thincat (talk) 13:44, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks!

Hi Roger, thank you for your comments at my RfA. Your support is much appreciated! ansh666 22:26, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

List of caves of Maryland

Hello. I'm not sure what your logic is behind the revert for deletion. Care to elaborate? That talk page is almost 99% me, so are you saying I'm at odds with myself? The only person to reply to me was from a fellow who doesn't frequent the article but was strolling by. As for the discussion itself, nothing of consequence was said, which is why I'll start stripping the article of uncited info shortly. What is left may be eligible for deletion again through AfD as almost none of the remaining material will pertain to the subject matter in any meaningful or notable way. Also, something being controversial doesn't mean that the proposal is without merit. I've laid out several valid policy reasons why this article shouldn't exist at all.

However, if you want to have a discussion, I recommend doing so beforehand and not after I start deleting stuff. I've already given a few pointers. Leitmotiv (talk) 17:18, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

I have given my rationale on the talk page but I suspect your comment here was started before I saved it. I don't particularly disagree with much of what you say about the article although I think we should cherish as much as possible. My difficulty is merely that PROD seems to me not the best (or even appropriate) first step. I can see some useful reliable-seeming sources on the topic as a whole as well as on individual caves so I think something could be salvaged even without recourse to the books. Thincat (talk) 17:34, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

PROD wasn't the first step. As you can see, I started a conversation on the article's talk page back in October with little to no interest. PROD was step 2. Anyhoo, I'll stop replying here and carry it forward at the article's talk page, which is what I've been trying to do since October. Leitmotiv (talk) 17:48, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

List of caves of Maryland has been added to Articles for Deletion discussion

Hello Thincat,

Just a courtesy notice to let you know that the page has been added to Articles for Deletion here. Leitmotiv (talk) 01:38, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. I probably won't take part in the discussion but thank you for informing me about this all the same. Thincat (talk) 08:13, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

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Sexual abuse incidents at Adass Israel School, Melbourne

it may be worth adding the following link into your article at the appropriate place http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/cases/vic/VSC/2015/499.html Downunderling (talk) 02:02, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Oh, thank you. That's so useful. I'll certainly include it (but I'll read it through first!). There were several points where the newspapers were differing about details of the case (e.g. whether Erlich was the only plaintiff or whether her sisters were as well). I found the case very distressing - I hadn't realised how insidious grooming can be. Thincat (talk) 08:29, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

@Downunderling: I've read it all through and it's a dreadful story. I found the judge's statements mostly clear to understand and I've corrected bits in the article where the press got things wrong. There's far more that could be said but, so far as I'm concerned, it'll have to do for now. I suspect the judge went out on a limb a bit sometimes but I'm glad he did. I'll keep an eye open because there will obviously be further developments. Thank you again. Thincat (talk) 21:48, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Another Daily Mail RfC

There is an RfC at Talk:Daily Mail#Request for comment: Other criticisms section. Your input would be most helpful. --Guy Macon (talk) 12:26, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Adam Watson (scientist)

Hi Thincat, thanks for your comments on this article. I'd completely forgotten about it and I have a bit more editing experience than I did back in November, so will see if I can strengthen it a bit. Tacyarg (talk) 17:39, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

@Tacyarg: Thank you. I hadn't previously realised that his recent books had been published by Paragon, which does indeed look to be a self-publishing firm. I have two earlier books by him, one published by Collins and the other (the definitive book of Cairngorms mountaineering) by the Scottish Mountaineering Trust. So, I wondered whether the Paragon books were reprints of books out of press but no, they seem to be the only publication. Thincat (talk) 13:05, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

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@The Transhumanist: I have never taken much interest in portals but the RFC proposal seemed so crass that I "opposed" at an early stage when most opinions were along the lines of "support, but don't delete the portals".[4] Bizarre. So, thank you for rebooting portals – I have been keeping a slight eye on things and might think about creating a portal, or extending an existing one, when things have settled down. Thincat (talk) 15:59, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

(pinging @Noyster:) It's true that things have not settled down, but for the most part, in a good way. Interest in the WikiProject is high, and activity in the WikiProject is high. I hope these never settle down. Ongoing strife is not currently a problem; though there is one opposing editor who has become a nuisance, but with no consequence to portals or their WikiProject.

So far, we've automated the intro section and categories section, semi-automated the selected article section(s), and are working to fully automate that and all the rest of the sections, with active development of methods for news, DYK (did you know?), etc. Auto-generating the topics section is probably going to be the hardest feature to develop, as it may require AI (see Automatic taxonomy construction).

Automation methods we are employing so far include selective transclusion (see {{Transclude lead excerpt}}, randomization (see {{Transclude random excerpt}}), and bots (e.g., see User:JL-Bot/Project content). The transclusion templates are pretty sophisticated, using lua modules to power them. I'm expecting full semi-automation within a couple months, and complete automation by the end of the year.

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List of Late Quaternary prehistoric bird species at AfD

Thanks for the heads up! It looks like this article has gone through a lot of splitting since I was working on it. My contributions were mainly for Mesozoic birds (I think the article used to be simply "List of Prehistoric Bird Species"). Unfortunately I don't have much to add for "Late Quaternary" extinct birds specifically. Dinoguy2 (talk) 11:46, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

@Dinoguy2: Oh, I hadn't realised that. Anyway, it now looks to be heading for "keep", even "snow keep"! Thincat (talk) 12:04, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

An offer I hope you won't refuse.

I've already found your previous refusal of User:Dweller's attempt, so I'm not optimistic about my chances, but I'm going to do it anyway. Would you allow me to nominate you to be an admin? I've seen you a lot on DRV. Your arguments always seem to be rational, polite, and grounded in policy. You're on my short list of people who I frequently tempundelete histories for, and wonder why they've never acquired the tools to do it themselves. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:45, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestion but I'll still say no. Sometimes it's not necessary to see the undeleted article before giving an opinion at DRV but in the recent case you really needed the history to judge the DRV nomination's claims. Thank you for your involvement at DRV. I think you are a bit unusual in both taking part in discussions and closing them (though not the same ones!). Over the years I think the level of discussion at DRV has been generally good and the closes consistently rational and reasonable. Thincat (talk) 09:59, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

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DYK for 1939 American Karakoram expedition to K2

On 3 December 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article 1939 American Karakoram expedition to K2, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that on the 1939 American K2 expedition, Dudley Wolfe and three Sherpas died high on the mountain (K2 pictured) after the Sherpas had climbed from base camp to rescue Wolfe but he would not come down? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/1939 American Karakoram expedition to K2. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, 1939 American Karakoram expedition to K2), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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DYK nomination of 1954 Italian Karakoram expedition to K2

Hello! Your submission of 1954 Italian Karakoram expedition to K2 at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 20:06, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

@Rachel Helps (BYU): Thank you for looking at this so carefully. Fortunately I have all three library books with me and the other books I own so I will be able to sort things out. Even though it is more work for me I am most grateful to you for the time you must have spent on this. It will (I hope!) improve the article. Thincat (talk) 20:22, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

I tried to focus on DYK criteria, but please let me know if I went too far! With the longer articles it can be difficult not to do a full-on GA review. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 20:24, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

@Rachel Helps (BYU): Well, I don't care too much about whether or not they are DYK criteria: they are criteria for a satisfactory article. Quite recently I created an article on another expedition and a Wikiproject assessor suggested I nominated it for good article. I did, but absolutely nothing seemed to be happening in the geography section so I eventually withdrew it. Anyway, mountaineering expeditions (successful ones) can get into "on this day" so I get two bites at the main page cherry anyway! Thincat (talk) 20:46, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, the GA review queue can last years. It's not required for DYK, but if you want to further improve the page, you could expand the lead on 1954 Italian Karakoram expedition to K2 to summarize a bit more of the page. My family is hosting an Italian exchange student and I'm definitely going to bring up the expedition at dinner! :-) Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 20:53, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

@Rachel Helps (BYU): Yes, a good conversation piece! Bonatti died in 2011 and it brought the squabble back into the press again in Italy and to a lesser extent in Britain. But maybe for young Italians it was all before their time. Elderly Italians will certainly know all about it (like I, being British, know about Everest!). I've referenced the ascent details, added some about the porter troubles and put quite a lot more in the lead so pehaps you can have another look. Many thanks. Thincat (talk) 19:08, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

DYK for 1954 Italian Karakoram expedition to K2

On 4 March 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article 1954 Italian Karakoram expedition to K2, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that K2, the world's second highest mountain, was first climbed by Achille Compagnoni and Lino Lacedelli (pictured) on the 1954 Italian Karakoram expedition? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/1954 Italian Karakoram expedition to K2. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, 1954 Italian Karakoram expedition to K2), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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A barnstar for you!

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Claiming a use of the BLP policy "protects" individuals, when its use really damages them

I saw where you voiced a delete opinion, in WP:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_celebrities_who_have_had_an_abortion. Thanks for making the effort to voice your own position, rather than making a mere "me too", like many of the respondents there.

If I were to paraphrase the opinion you voiced I'd say you thought protecting the privacy of the women in this list trumped notability, RS, verifiability, and every other policy and guideline? Correct?

I think I left the perfect counter-argument in this comment.

Basically, I question efforts to "protect" individuals from having information they voluntarily chose to make public covered on the wikipedia, when it is reliably sourced and verifiable. This doesn't protect them, or respect their choices, at all. Geo Swan (talk) 20:21, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

George, Firstly, thank you for the "thanks" you gave for my comment about the irrelevance of WP:DEFINING to list articles. Secondly, I found I had a probably irrational dislike of the list article for reasons I don't really understand. I therefore thought that not only would I search around for a policy for deletion but I would say what I was doing. I eventually found something which was not even very convincing to myself so I admitted this. You have over-intellectualised what my thought processes might have been. Because I'm British I find it very difficult to have much clue about American attitudes to such things as abortion, single-payer healthcare (I know the alien jargon!) and (lack of) gun control. To me abortion is sad – not wicked or noble. I am happy to say here how greatly I deplore some of the arguments put forward for "delete" at that AFD, sometimes citing policy positions that I do not think exist. And, before you came here, I had already read your AFD comments which I hold in high regard (btw I can remember you from the "Guantanamo" days).

Sometimes at AFD I find I have an a priori attitude to "keep" or "delete" which may not match our criteria too well. Normally I just spout some guidelines to justify my position, putting things as convincingly as I can. Occasionally I'm brave enough to say I don't think the guideline criteria are giving good guidance but, for "keep" in the face of notability, I normally don't risk it in case it disadvantages my side of the discussion. For this AFD I really don't mind if the list is kept so it was a good opportunity for me to be straightforwardly honest in putting forward one of my rather rare "deletes". Best wishes and, dare I say it, good luck! Thincat (talk) 21:06, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Selfie

rm images that contribute nothing to the lead

My goal was to have two images in the lead: one actual selfie and one photo of someone taking a selfie. Removal of the "bath selfie", whatever that was, was most likely justified. But I guess we can't have a photo of someone taking a selfie in the lead? - Alexis Jazz 07:49, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

@Alexis Jazz: well, I didn't think that was such a good idea, maybe rather like you thought another image was not a good idea.[5] Just go ahead as you think and I'll leave someone else to do what they wish. Selfie is not short of editors with ideas. I don't knowingly revert people unless it really is vandalism which this clearly was not. Best wishes. Thincat (talk) 09:59, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

If I may ask, why do you think it's a bad idea? Regarding the DSLR camera taking a photo of a cellphone taking a photo of the person with the DSLR camera and someone else, that was very meta. I can't imagine anyone going "oh THAT is what a selfie is!" upon seeing that. The DSLR doesn't add anything to explain what a selfie is. - Alexis Jazz 10:07, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Merely I didn't think it looked very nice and it spoiled the initial appearance of the article! Maybe the guy in the bath put me off more but I've forgotten now. This isn't the sort of article I'd normally edit but I had witlessly added a historical image File:RobertCornelius.jpg so the article got on my watchlist.[6] Later I spotted Commons:Deletion requests/File:Ameily radke es vato!!.jpg and I was pleased a really nice image had been saved. Then poor Ameily had to survive a spurious deletion request at Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Selfies, was deleted as a copyright violation, restored because she wasn't,[7] and then was deleted on highly dubious grounds at Commons:Deletion requests/File:Ameily Radke.jpg Such is image curation. This has, of course, nothing to do with the image you added but may be some sort of cautionary tale. Thincat (talk) 11:17, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Discussion Invitation

Hi there Thincat! I don't think we've ever interacted before. Pleased to make your acquaintance! I'm writing because I saw that you commented on a thread on Talk:Luann de Lesseps. There's a similar discussion going on over at Talk:The Real Housewives of New York City that I know could benefit from your two cents if you would be interested in chiming in. Thank you! KyleJoan^talk 05:42, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Mmm, not really my line of country and to begin with I couldn't think why I would ever have commented there at all. However, now I remember and I have commented again. The answer is I don't know but I have suggested shifting the focus of the discussion. Best wishes. Thincat (talk) 08:34, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Harold Finger

If you go to this document, p. 8, NASA explicitly points out Harold Finger in the photo with Kennedy. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:31, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Oh yes, good find. I had looked at the source given on the photo's file description page but hadn't found an identification there. I see it has reached prep5 so best wishes and good luck. Thincat (talk) 20:52, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

DYK for London to Brighton in Four Minutes

On 31 August 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article London to Brighton in Four Minutes, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the BBC has produced a new version of their 1953 film London to Brighton in Four Minutes every 30 years? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/London to Brighton in Four Minutes. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, London to Brighton in Four Minutes), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

valereee (talk) 00:03, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

RHONY sorting

Hey there! Thank you again for your response to the discussion regarding the sorting of The Real Housewives of New York City article. I wanted to notify you of an RfC that was opened due to the initial discussion not concluding in a consensus in case you're interested in chiming in there as well. Cheers! KyleJoan^talk 20:09, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Multiple Arctic Medals?

Do you only get on Arctic Medal despite multiple trips? Thomas Abernethy (explorer) - MTWEmperor (talk • contribs) 00:50, 5 October 2019 (UTC)