User talk:2 Lit 2 Late

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August 2019

Your account has been blocked indefinitely because the chosen username is a clear violation of our username policy – it is obviously profane, threatens, attacks or impersonates another person, or suggests that you do not intend to contribute positively to the encyclopedia (see our blocking and username policies for more information).

We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia, but users are not allowed to edit with inappropriate usernames and we do not tolerate 'bad faith' editing such as trolling or other disruptive behavior. If you think there are good reasons why these don't describe your account, or why you should be unblocked, you are welcome to appeal this block – read our guide to appealing blocks to understand more about unblock requests, and then add the text {{unblock-un|new username|reason=your reason here ~~~~}} at the end of your user talk page. N.J.A. | talk 01:42, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Can I please be unblocked?

This user's request to be unblocked to request a change in username has been reviewed by an administrator, who accepted the request.

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Requested username:

iambacknimbetter (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Request reason:

I love to keep people informed. I joined Wikipedia because of my desire to edit blocked pages because I truly want to share my knowledge with others and help Wikipedia

Accept reason:

I am now convinced, for a combination of reasons, that the trolling was not from you. (I was always doubtful that it was, which is why I asked if you could explain it, rather than just declining the unblock request.) I shall therefore go ahead with the renaming and unblocking. However, do be more careful in future not to give other editors a negative impression. Also, I suggest that you look at the policy on edit-warring before you do any more editing. (See my comments below.) JamesBWatson (talk) 13:52, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

LMFAOimsuchamessluvx (talk) 04:09, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

You have three open requests, you only need one. Please remove two of them. 331dot (talk) 10:13, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Having looked at the relevant editing history, I decided that, since the blocking administrator gave your user name as the only reason for the block, I would change your account's name and unblock the account. I was also going to give you a warning that your editing history and your edit summaries did not give the impression that you were here to collaborate constructively, so that any continuation of the same kinds of problems might lead to another block. However, when I came back to this page to do that, I saw this edit, which made me have doubts. Can you explain that edit? JamesBWatson (talk) 11:19, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

(JamesBWatson) hi thank you for taking the time to consider my unblock request. Which edit are you talking about? I did three edits asking to be unblocked because I thought it would be an automatic thing. But I guess I was wrong, the other requests were close automatically. But back to the subject, yes I admit that my edit summaries may not give you the impression that I'm here constructively but I truly am. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LMFAOimsuchamessluvx (talk • contribs)

So, let me be clear. You made this edit because you thought that would lead to you being unblocked. Wow. This is deeply disturbing. This is more than sufficient grounds to leave you blocked indefinitely. This is worse than vandalism, you believed it was appropriate to compromise Wikipedia. Why on earth should we ever trust you after that?!? --Yamla (talk) 12:56, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Yamla and James Batson what edit are talking about? The edit where somebody says that they have unblocked me? Well, I just noticed it after you pointed it out. Please understand that it wasn't me. It came from : Anonymous user 182.1.101.34.

Excuse me for any inconvenience or confusion that this may had led to. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LMFAOimsuchamessluvx (talk • contribs)

LMFAOimsuchamessluvx, do you consent to an administrator with WP:CHECKUSER access, investigating your claim? You are not obligated to do so. If you consent, this would reveal whether or not that IP address was used by you. --Yamla (talk) 13:08, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Yamla yes I consent please do check to see if it was me because I know that it wasn't me. It's so frustrating and daunting to be called a liar and accused for something that I haven't done. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LMFAOimsuchamessluvx (talk • contribs)

{{Checkuser needed}} Someone from 182.1.101.34 made a fraudulent unblock request, here. LMFAOimsuchamessluvx claims this wasn't them. They consent to you posting whether or not it was them making this unblock request. I have already determined the IP is not a proxy. Alternatively, perhaps you could answer whether or not checkuser shows any reason to decline the unblock request for any reason; I believe that may be less specific. --Yamla (talk) 13:17, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Compare [1] and Special:Undelete/User talk:YamaguchiSaranida. Probably not this user, but something suspicious is going on. MER-C 13:29, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

 Declined - it is forbidden by local policy for Checkusers to reveal an account's IP address, even if the account requests it. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 13:36, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

However, based on experience and behaviour, the IP is more likely one of the SPI impersonation trolls. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 13:38, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

However however, compare LMFAOimsuchamessluvx with 162.12.217.34 (talk · contribs · WHOIS). Or just take a run through the history on Khalid (singer). Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 13:45, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

yamla it's not me!

• @Yamla and JamesBWatson: I said a lot of stuff here so let me summarize:
  • 162.12.217.34 and LMFAOimsuchamessluvx are probably the same user. In an SPI I would call it certain but I would point out that their edits do not overlap.
  • All of the other accounts and IPs mentioned here are one (or several) of the SPI impersonation trolls (see MER-C's links).
  • The two groups are not related.

Please proceed as you see fit. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 13:49, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, Ivanvector. In fact, I had already come to exactly the same conclusions as you about all of that. I don't see the connection between 162.12.217.34 and LMFAOimsuchamessluvx as in any way problematic at all: as you say, there is no overlap, there is no attempt to deny the connection (in fact the edit summaries effectively declare it) and there is nothing to stop a former IP editor from opening to an account to edit from. Also pinging Yamla in case he is interested. JamesBWatson (talk) 14:15, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

• I have renamed your account from "LMFAOimsuchamessluvx" to "Iambacknimbetter" and unblocked it. JamesBWatson (talk) 14:15, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Email

Stop emailing me, please. Anything you wish to discuss, you can post here. As to what's going to happen now, you'll have to wait until someone with the right access decides whether to act on the above request or not. We'll then evaluate your unblock request. This may take some time, though. --Yamla (talk) 13:29, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Yamla sorry if my emails are bothering you, but I simply don't know if you get my message on here. I want to know what's going to happen please — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iambacknimbetter (talk • contribs) 13:32, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

August 2019

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to change genres without discussion or sources, as you did at Madonna (entertainer), you may be blocked from editing. - FlightTime (open channel) 23:58, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you remove or blank page content or templates from Wikipedia, as you did at Nicki Minaj. - FlightTime (open channel) 23:59, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

@FlightTime: I'd like to say that several messages on my pages were left threatening to block me from editing. I'd like to say at first that it's not fair in any way to threaten people like this. Secondly I'd like to say that I deleted the part where she claimed to be bisexual as I felt like this information didn't deserve its place in the personal life section but in the controversy section since she made the comments in public. Her lying about her sexuality has little to do with her personal life.

With these types of threats, it actually frighten new editors like me from editing. Do not act surprised if everyone stops joining Wikipedia to edit at this point.

secondly, I'd like to address the Madonna genre situation. Again, to start, I would like to state and point out that there was no actual need to threaten me with blocking. For your information, I had an actual conversation with another editor in the edits summary (you would've known if you had checked) about the genres of Madonna, the other editor had taken few of my edits, then I added disco as one of her genres but took it off as it was a subgenre of dance music which was already included in the article so I reverted my edit to rock music. I didn't do any disruptive editing. That's where you're wrong. And yes I do take it as a personal offense.

Iambacknimbetter (talk) 00:20, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Yours truly .

Ariana Grande

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Ariana Grande. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Repeated vandalism may result in the loss of editing privileges. Thank you. Fan4Life (talk) 22:07, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of NJOMZA

Hello Iambacknimbetter,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged NJOMZA for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly indicate why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Thanks!

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September 2019

Please stop adding unsourced content, as you did on Khalid (singer). This violates Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Magnolia677 (talk) 20:17, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

@Magnolia677:

Well,all I did was to add facts. I didn't even put unsourced info. Khalid is in fact a singer-songwriter so I recommend you to educate your @#^___ on the subject before running your mouth and have the balls to write this on my talk page.

That's a shame that a confirmed user is being so loud, wrong and lost. Re-evaluate your presence on here mama Iambacknimbetter (talk) Iambacknimbetter.

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Warning: Disruptive Editing

 Warning Some of your recent editing has been disruptive. In particular your recent edits on Talk:Manic (album) were unacceptable. Do not add unsourced controversial claims to articles. And do not harass or otherwise abuse other editors. If this needs to be addressed again it is unlikely to end well. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:02, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

October 2019

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing because it appears that you are not here to build an encyclopedia.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.

Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:18, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Unblock me : a thread of why you should unblock me.

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

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Request reason:

First of all let me say that I'm not TROLLING as it was issued in the reasons why I was blocked from editing, my sincere apologies if this was the impression given. Secondly, well, this is my second time being blocked, it just shows that Wikipedia still have taboo subjects as I can see but that's the point here, I've been accused of having an username related to "block evasion" which is not TRUE. The meaning of my username is that I've been blocked for sure that I've been unblocked and that I was ready to do better. No reference to block evasion, I'm even willing to change it if you want. That's already two mistakes and misunderstanding. Three, disruptive editing? I didn't even know the article had sources calling it a "single" so I switched it to promotional single instead why was a mistake so I did in fact apologize for that but things escalated quickly between me and a fellow editor @Billiekhalidfan:, I did say things that were inappropriate and insulted them, I have to admit that I was wrong there. I was even planning on apologizing on their talk page but i had been blocked before I could even talk See @Ad Orientem: 's talk page to check it out. I was unable to apologize. And then, I've been accused of not being here to build an encyclopedia... Where did you guys got this from? I've done and said things that were inappropriate for sure but never did I ever been on Wikipedia only to be disrespectful, NEVER. Every thing I do has a reason and a meaning which creating a Wikipedia account is apart as well, with that being said I'm the creator of a LOT of Wikipedia articles and edits such as Njomza which I created by myself, then I reshaped the Khalid entirely by myself and much more. That's for sure : I'm not there for no reasons. In short, I'm ready to acknowledge my mistakes and move on. I apologize if anyone's feelings were hurt or anything of that sort. Iambacknimbetter (talk) 00:34, 4 October 2019 (UTC) Iambacknimbetter, a blocked Wikipedia user with no filters.

Decline reason:

The tone of the responses to Ad Orientem, below, would be more than enough on their own to convince me that you're not here for the good of the project; combined with your other interactions with them and other editors, this block seems more than justified. Maybe you are trolling, maybe you genuinely lack the ability to interact with other people in a collaborative manner, but either way, Wikipedia is not a good fit for you. Yunshui ^雲_水 06:45, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

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I am WP:INVOLVED so another admin will make the determination on this block appeal. I'm uncertain about deliberate trolling but this editor has been a source of drama since they arrived. Their editing history suggests a combative personality ill suited to a collaborative project coupled with a serious lack of comprehension with respect to our WP:PAG. Whether this is a case of WP:NOTHERE or WP:CIR, or maybe a bit of both, this editor is a net negative. Meaning well only gets you so far. I endorse the block and for the record was about an inch from blocking them myself when Cullen stepped in. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:46, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

{{subst:DNAU|Ad Orientem}}

So it's like that, Johnny?

"combative"? I'm honestly disappointed especially after I emailed you my plan to apologize and much more. Disappointed but of course not surprised.

For the record, I emailed Ad Orientem telling him that I was planning on apologizing and moving on. People never have the same energy when they're face to face with people.

{{subst:DNAU|Ad Orientem}} it's honestly not to be rude but I honestly think you're an hypocrite.

Please don't take it as an insult it's just me giving my opinion on your personality just as same you were giving yours on mine. No personal offense or attack.

Iambacknimbetter (talk) Iambacknimbetter

• Also from that email... Let me let you know that I've been blocked from editing Wikipedia (I'm not going to lie and play the vict, I deserved it pretty much.)

Moving on. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:00, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

{{subst:DNAU|Ad Orientem}}

Johnny, what is this behavior?

When did I victimized myself? Because I'm surely not the victime here.

There you go, I think it was forbidden to disclose a personal email I've sent to you. I don't think it is in cahoots with Wikipedia's guidelines... Plus I've sent this email to let you that I was apologizing to you and to prove that I have respect for you... I don't see anything wrong with this email so why post it? I mean you're old enough to be my grandfather, I don't even think that there's a reason for behaving like this, Johnny.

Why don't you post the part where I said that I wanted to apologize? Because you want to make me seem the one in wrong here.

I never victimized myself, I just stated that you were talking about how you didn't want to block me and how uncertain you were but now that your fellow editors have joined the problem, you decided to stir the pot by saying you actually endorse the block... Sir, what the actual hell is that?

And I asked you not to take personal offense on what I said and you did take personal offense to the point where you had to ridicule and lower yourself to posting a personal email I sent you. You're losing every ounce of credibility you had... Time to reflect on the things you do.

Anyways, I'm not going to argue back and forth with you, I'm just hoping to be unblocked and move on. Iambacknimbetter (talk) Iambacknimbetter

Another request.

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who accepted the request.

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Request reason:

Hi. I'm actually posting this message again to ask to be unblocked after careful reflection and research, I've finally came to realization that I was the one in wrong throughout all this situation. I've educated myself on the blocking policy and found out that it wasn't intended as a punishment but rather a way to prevent me from doing wrong things.

I do want to show that I am here to create an encyclopedia and contribute to the project, in short, yes I've made several derogatory comments and I do apologize from the bottom of my messy little heart!

Secondly, I've seen that some administrator think that I'm not there to to build an encyclopedia but rather to use it as a social networking site, let me just say that I never knew we couldn't be "friendly" (in the meaning of being networking just like on Twitter or Instagram, etc. ) by the way of edits summaries, so I do apologize and actually ACKNOWLEDGE my fault. Aside from my wrong doings on here, I'm also the creator of certain articles such as Njomza and I plan to do much more for music artists. I also reshaped the entire Khalid article and once again I plan to do much more for the project. I'm still a "newbie" here after all.

Thirdly, I've been told that my username was related to "block evasion" which is not the case, my username means that I've been blocked and that I was ready to be better at editing. So if you think I should change it then please, let me know, that'd be awesome.

And finally, what I said on here to certain people could be seen as disrespectful and I acknowledge that. If I get unblocked I'll of course apologize to those users as it was already in my plans before the block.

To conclude, I've given a lot of reasons on why I should be unblocked. I'm aware that what I've done doesn't give Wikipedia a great look and I apologize. I'm ready to move foward it and show to those who have blocked me that I can do better.

Thanks for even considering my message.

Regards,

Iambacknimbetter (talk) Iambacknimbetter.

Accept reason:

See below. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 13:51, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

• Iambacknimbetter, in your short time here you've established yourself as someone who is disruptive on purpose and lashes out with personal attacks any time anyone says anything to you. This is a collaborative project, which means you have to work with other people and be respectful. There is no other way to participate. Before I will consider unblocking you, I need you to take Ad Orientem's generous advice and read WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA, I mean really read them like you're studying for a test. Then, please answer these questions in your own words:
  1. What is a personal attack?
  2. Why is respect for others important when working on a group project?
  3. If a complete stranger who you don't know at all, not even what they look like, started sending you messages like "you sound like someone I'd bully for no reason" and "get your ass out of my face", would you consider them "friendly?" How would you feel about having to work with that person on a school project?

Feel free to take your time and really think about your responses, I probably won't be checking back in on this today. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 16:29, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

{{subst:DNAU|Ivanvector}}

A personal attack on wikipedia's term is when you purposely make derogatory comments targeting someone based on multiple factors such as their race, sexuality or gender. They're deemed as abusive. It is also when you use someone else's affiliation such as religion or community as a way to discredit their opinions or point of view. It is also when you compare other editors to nazis, dictators or any other type of word associated with political representatives that relates to oppressive power. Personal attacks also turns around making comments and outing other editors such as giving their names, address as a way to offense them and make accusation on their personal behavior without any proofs to support those claims.

Being respectful to the other Wikipedia editors is important if not vital to the well-being of the Wikipedia community in order to avoid making personal attacks (well, I failed on this level), to work in a proper space of civility. Beside these reasons, being respectful between collaborators helps the relationship and image of the project. And also to solve disagreements on the project without being harsh and hurt feelings.

I must admit that what I said was wrong and immaturely inappropriate, I cannot pretend that it is not. Saying such things definitely don't reflect who I truly I am, I simply just let my feelings overwhelm me to the point where I had to make personal offenses. I reacted to the situation that way because I felt attacked as well, and of course I'm not trying to find excuses for my behavior. I simply cannot front it. To answer your question : I wouldn't consider myself friendly. Not in this situation. And having to work PEACEFULLY with somebody like this on a school project would be totally impossible, so I concur, I wasn't friendly.

I'm aware that editing Wikipedia alongside multiple other editors should be just as same as working with fellow classmates on a school project.

I sincerely and deeply apologize and can even assure you that this won't happen again.

Iambacknimbetter (talk) Iambacknimbetter.

• I have accepted your request based on your thoughtful response, and will unblock your account momentarily.

I'd like to suggest you also have a look at WP:AGF, WP:COOL, WP:NOX, or really any of the essays on civility. It's been mentioned a few times already but your username does give the impression that this is not your first account. I don't think that's the case and I'm going to make a note of it in your block log, but if you would like to choose a different username, start here. I'm not making it a requirement, it's just something you can do if you want to. In my experience some editors will see your username and conclude you're evading a block before they even try to talk to you; that's their problem but ultimately it hurts you.

Please sign your talk page posts by typing four tildes (~~~~), and you don't need to type anything after the tildes. Four tildes adds your account name, a link to your talk page, and a timestamp of your post. From your signatures here I think you're using three tildes. You can customize the look of your signature by clicking on Preferences at the top of any page, but note the guidelines at WP:SIGNATURE.

One last final (I hope) word: please read WP:ROPE. You're off to a rough start but I'm taking it as a good sign that you answered my request with a thoughtful response. But if you break the rules and get yourself blocked again, I can pretty much guarantee that no administrator in their right mind is going to even consider your next unblock request.

Please ask questions if you have them: you can post at the help desk or use the {{help me}} and {{admin help}} templates on your talk page (see links for instructions). Best wishes. (@Ad Orientem, Yamla, JBW, and Cullen328: FYI) Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 13:51, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

In future, discuss changes

In future, you will need to discuss contentious changes like this. While we have sources saying Over It is her debut album now, even if you personally don't see a need to discuss an issue in future, does not mean it should not be discussed. If there's a hidden note on the page, in most cases you should heed it. Thank you. Ss112 14:29, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

@Ss112: Hi.

I'm sorry if it kind of violated wikipedia's guideline but hey, she classified "Overt it" as her debut and not "Last Day Of Summer" so I THOUGHT there was no need to discuss it and to mention : yeah, I thought about discussing it on the talk page but I noticed that it was a bit "dead" meaning no one was checking on it, so I thought once again that no one would see it.

My action were based on reflection and was not to disrupt edit.

And can we write on the talk page and still do the edit when no one is responding?

BetterOfThatWay (talk) 16:48, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

If it's contentious, it's best to open a discussion on the talk page and leave the article alone for the time being. Also, I see you added a genre to Over It (album), but the source you cited is an Ohio student newspaper. We don't consider student newspapers reliable sources on Wikipedia. I have no doubt the album is R&B, but we need a better source than a student writing for a university's publication for credit saying so. Ss112 18:04, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

@Ss112:

Seriously? A student newspaper? Oh lord, that's.... Embarrassing :/ For both, me and Wikipedia... I'm feeling so bad about it. I'm so sorry! I'll do better next time. I didn't really read the website link, I just liked the content 😕. I'm sorry once again.

By the way, I see that you specialize in charts, I might need your help with this music article I'm trying to finish... It's still a draft to this day lol. Please help me out whenever you have the time. Thanks!

BetterOfThatWay (talk) 18:10, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

October 2019

Hello. Some of your recent genre changes, such as the one you made to 7 Rings, have conflicted with our neutral point of view and verifiability policies. While we invite all users to contribute constructively to Wikipedia, we urge all editors to provide reliable sources for edits made. When others disagree, we recommend you seek consensus for certain edits by discussing the matter on the article's talk page. Billiekhalidfan (talk) 21:34, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

@Billiekhalidfan: omg don't tell me that you're about to leave these types of messages on people's talk page too, I -

And I talked about it on the talk page as well. I was merely confused... Very confused and still is.

October 2019

 Warning I am no longer asking. If you want to take this to the next level... WP:ANI is that way. Otherwise move on. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:26, 14 October 2019 (UTC

@Ad Orientem:

Hum, I don't want to whine, I'm not a whiner but what I surely want is some explanation.

I mean, you've been contemplating the Deana from very close and I think you've seen that something wrong was going on. I don't know if you've noticed but it all started calmly when I asked explaination about a linking error that was made on the other editor's side and I got attacked. Simple as that for no reasons. And what upsets me is that last time I did the same thing with the same editor you are the one who warned me, I have to agree on that but right now, I'm the one who got attacked and you didn't do anything to warn the other editor. Instead you decided to warn me when I wasn't the one fighting.

Why is it like that? Why don't they receive the same treatment as me? I am the only one who got a warning and not then. This is just unfair.

Why do I get warned over something when I'm not even the one in the wrong? Why don't we both have equal treatment?

I just want some answers on why am I treated differently from them?

At this point, I might just use WP:ANI against both of you. Seriously.

BetterOfThatWay (talk) 14:11, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

The above warning was a specific response to this edit. Which was in turn posted immediately after I directed you and Billiekhalidfan to drop the stick. It was clear as a bell that the discussion had devolved into a pissing contest and that nothing productive was going to come of it. Billiekhalidfan abided by my message and you thumbed your nose at it. If you want to pursue this further; ANI is open. But I feel obliged to caution you that in my experience it is not a place known for happy endings. In particular I would read WP:BOOMERANG carefully. You have been blocked twice in a relatively short period of time and IMHO were rather fortunate to have been unblocked the second time around. If you are blocked a third time it is highly unlikely you will be unblocked again. To be clear I am not trying to bust on you. This is friendly (really) advice. I've been around here for a while and been an admin for going on three years and I have a good idea how things work, and don't. Newish editors who have been twice blocked should go to extreme lengths to avoid unnecessary drama. And for the record, Billiekhalidfan was blocked not that long ago for problematic editing as well. By me. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:42, 14 October 2019 (UTC)