Talk:Stonehenge

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Stonehenge 3- glacial option out?

With Mike Parker Pearson's team finding not only the exact source of the bluestones, but the circle they had previously been in, is it not time to remove the glacial theory from Stonehenge 3? I only hesitate because the Page is such a high profile one and will change it soon if no credible objection is raised here.

IceDragon64 (talk) 23:13, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Made by the Welsh on Welsh soil, but Welsh name not allowed?

The construction was made prior to Roman/Anglo/Saxon/Viking invasions, the page has the name 'stonehenge' (which is fine because this is an English language Wiki) but why on earth can you not display the native name next to the English name?, Snowdon's native name is 'Yr Wyddfa', but you'll insist that it's called Snowdon, so how is this any different? Hogyncymru (talk) 23:34, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

User 'DeFacto' against adding it: "take to talk to get consensus that the subject of this article is closely associated with the Welsh language", yes, let's get a consensus when the population of Wales is 3.5 million compared with England's 56.5 million, I'm sure Welsh perspective will be fairly addressed.. Hogyncymru (talk) 23:44, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

I have a great deal of sympathy for including the Welsh name for this British monument which "began its life" in West Wales. We do have of course, for example: "The Second Severn Crossing (Welsh: Ail Groesfan Hafren)". But I suspect the Welsh name for Stonehenge, Welsh: Côr y Cewri [Choir of the giants], came a long time after the blue stone circle had been moved from Waun Mawn and possibly long after the structure took on its present form. But who knows for sure? Impossible to prove, I guess. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:49, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

But prior to all the invasions, the descendants of the Welsh inhabited most of Britain (Dover > from Welsh; Dwfr, or Glasgow > Welsh for green hollow) it was indeed constructed first in what we today call modern day 'Wales', but Brythonic tongue is much, much older, which comes to why the Welsh name cannot be included?, Stonehenge is somewhat of a new name as much as the Welsh name is. Hogyncymru (talk) 00:02, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Hogyncymru, I'd agree if there was reliably sourced evidence that the majority of this structure was constructed by Welsh-speaking people, or even in Wales. But as far as we know, most of it was constructed where it stands today and from local stone. Sure some of the smaller stones came from a quarry in what is now Wales, and there is a theory that they had been erected in a circle there before being moved to their current location, but I don't think that that means that the subject of this article is closely associated with the Welsh language - as required by MOS:LEADLANG if Welsh is to be included in the header. Remember too that the Welsh language didn't exist for at least 2500 years after this structure was built where it now stands. -- DeFacto (talk). 00:12, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

I agree with DeFacto. The SSC is a modern structure, with official names, partly in Wales, so not a relevant comparison. And there's no evidence that Stonehenge was built by "the Welsh" in any meaningful sense. Perhaps the Welsh name could be added at Welsh exonyms. Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:57, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Indeed. I'm not suggesting that the SSC was built by the Welsh, even though this guy might think it was. I must admit I was struggling to think of a relevant example. Perhaps Penrhyn Castle might have been closer: [1]? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:57, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

It was built by the Druids, NOT the Welsh. 139.138.6.121 (talk) 14:04, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Eh? I'm pretty sure Penrhyn Castle wasn't built by Druids. Really not sure if the Druids built anything very much. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:07, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Nope not the Druids as they were associated with Celtic culture - at least 1500-2000 years after the neolithic people who built Stonehenge constructed it. Welsh language terms should not be included because of the reasons already stated - that the Welsh and their language were later inhabitants of what now is Wales. Its historically inaccurate and a history mash up to mix earlier peoples with one who later inhabit a geographic region Robynthehode (talk) 14:48, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Edit request

Someone change traveling to travelling — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.203.114.16 (talk) 01:44, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

 Done (CC) Tbhotch^™ 03:59, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Wrong information -- part of which should be removed and part reworded, respectively

AS PRESENTLY WORDED: According to Charles Mackay the original name of stonehenge was coir-mhor[16] – old Irish gaelic words which means great ( mhor ) and crime (coir ).[17]

• [16] is a subscription paywall and [17] is absurd -- what "crime"??? If anything the Cymraeg Côr y Cewri is more appropriate as the bluestones used in Stonehenge came from what is present-day Pembrokeshire in Wales. 65.88.88.200 (talk) 20:22, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
• This was added recently and I agree that it's very dubious. The "original" name was spoken 5000 years ago and we don't even know what language family it belonged to, never mind what it was. Whether there's an Old Irish name for the site I don't know, but we'd need a better source than a 150 year old work of pseudoscience. I've removed it. – Joe (talk) 09:05, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
• Absolutely correct! Johnbod (talk) 13:05, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 November 2021

Change “orientated” (paragraph: Introduction) to “oriented” Skosteez (talk) 21:59, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

 Not done Orientated is correct. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 22:45, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 November 2021

Remove the Sketch allegedly "...showing the tongue and groove and mortise and tenon joints used in the outer Sarsen circle" which is incorrect. Replace the sentence "The lintels were fitted to one another using another woodworking method, the tongue and groove joint." by the correct sentence "The lintel ends butt to one another." This is evident in aerial views. 84.214.215.102 (talk) 19:51, 24 November 2021 (UTC)