Talk:Blaire White

Gender identity

As the subject of this article identifies as a woman, the pronouns used in the article should reflect this. Please refer to wikipedia's style guide [[1]] on gender identity for more information.Foxgloved (talk)

Blaire White identifies as a trans woman who is a biological male. When I made an edit, which was a cited direct quotation from her, it was undone. Does her self-identification not matter? I thought that was what trans people were fighting for. She identifies as a biological male. She specifically says that she does not believe she was "assigned" male at birth; she believes she was observed to be male at birth. Should that not be included in the article? Should we we remove self-identification from Caitlyn Jenner's article?Auctoris (talk) 16:51, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

That she is a trans woman who was assigned male at birth (the common wording for someone whose "biological sex that was observed and recorded at birth" was male, as she puts it) is well-reflected in this article. Her personal opinions on what terminology should generally be used for trans people can be added if and when reliable sources give them any weight, which you have not managed to show. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 16:55, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

A video of her on camera saying those words is not a reliable source? If she is not a reliable source for her own opinions, then what is? Thank you. Auctoris (talk) 17:04, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

It's not a verifiability issue, it is a weight issue. She has said many, many things on video, but without secondary sources reporting on them, there's no indication we should be either. See WP:VNOT. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 17:05, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

I am speechless. Thank you for your time. Auctoris (talk) 17:16, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Birth name

Why is Blaire White's given name not included? Yes, I get that it's legally changed, but Caitlyn Jenner's entry still includes her given name as William Bruce Jenner. And no, this is not some kind of attack. Every celebrity who has changed their name has their given name included in their entry. We know from this site that Marilyn Monroe's given name was Norma Jeane Mortenson. Judy Garland was Frances Gumm. So, why is Blaire White's real name not included? 35.137.128.114 (talk) 10:47, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

As per MOS:DEADNAME. - Daveout(talk) 11:45, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia culture already took the ideological stance of MOS:DEADNAME despite that it's information about that which is intentionally being left out. Pretty bad. You can learn about where Blaire was born, her birthdate, her early life, in other trans people's pages you can know what their parent's names are, their parent's occupations, and so on, but NOPE you can't mention their birth name because of the ideological natured stance of MOS:DEADNAME. It's almost like Wikipedia is supposed to be a place for information, but I guess ideology is more important in this case, so just Google it to find out instead.

Picture

The picture provided in the article shows a clear disdain towards the person in question. Whether you like her or not it's just not fair to use a picture to purposefully mock her, since Wikipedia is supposed to be an unbiased website. BorderlineMe (talk)

@BorderlineMe: It's not being used to mock her, it's the only freely-licensed picture we have. I actually contacted White to ask if she would be interested in donating a better photograph, but never heard anything back. If you know of any freely licensed photos, I would love to use a better one. GorillaWarfare (talk) 22:07, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Actually, I just realized it's a still taken from a freely-licensed video, so I'm going to try to get a more flattering still. It will still be poor-quality, but hopefully she won't be so caught-off-guard-looking. GorillaWarfare (talk) 22:09, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

I've replaced the photo with File:Blaire White 2.png (see thumbnail). Quality's not great, but it's at least a better still frame to use. GorillaWarfare (talk) 22:32, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

The video does not appear to be licensed under Creative Commons. Also see YouTube Help - Creative Commons and How do I know if a YouTube video is available to license?.

I'm not an expert in this area, but it seems like using one still from a video is fair use. Wikipedia's editors may not agree, though. I've seen them remove content like pictures of an actress specifically released for press releases and bio articles.

Jeffrey Walton (talk) 03:44, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

@Noloader: In the description, click "Show more" and it will show you "License: Creative Commons Attribution license (reuse allowed)". As for fair use, Wikipedia takes a pretty conservative stance on fair use, and in almost all cases we do not allow fair use images of living people, so if this was not compatibly licensed we would not be able to use the still. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 03:48, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Should this article be deleted?

I'm kind of surprised to see an article for this person. Is a youtube personality really encyclopedic? Are we really trying to create a directory of youtube personalities?

Also see WP:NOT.

Should this article be deleted?

Jeffrey Walton (talk) 01:39, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

@Noloader: If you are trying to begin a deletion discussion, you'll want to do that at WP:AfD rather than here. However I will note that while being a YouTuber does not automatically make someone notable, it doesn't preclude a person from being notable, and we certainly have plenty of articles about YouTubers, some of whom are, for better or for worse, very notable. This article has been nominated for deletion once before (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Blaire White), so I would recommend reading through that and determining what has changed such that it ought to be deleted now when it wasn't then. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 02:46, 5 June 2021 (UTC)