Talk:Ukraine

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Addition of tag

This would be due to escalating tensions and Ukraine could change any day now, by invasion, political crisis, etc. Hcoder3104☭ (💬) 19:23, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Going to post it. Hcoder3104☭ (💬) 17:03, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

"heavy Communist and Socialist influence" over the Ukrainian national movement for self-determination, which allegedly arose first after October 1917?

This sounds suspiciously close to the red-baiting distortions in Putin's speech yesterday. The article itself lists the Ukrainian People's Republic, the Hetmanate, the Directorate and the Bolshevik Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, the West Ukrainian People's Republic, the Hutsul Republic and, farther below, Makhno's Free Territory. Of these, only the Bolshevik entity was 'Communist', and the Hetmanate wasn't socialist at all. The Directorate was majority-liberal under Ostapenko when it was hoping to get support from the Entente. Yes, the other regimes mentioned were officially more or less socialist-leaning, as was typical of most radicals and revolutionaries at the time, and that is well worth mentioning, but placing 'communist' first makes no sense. Describing the socialist aspect as 'heavy' sounds negative as well as subjective and dubious; apart from Makhno, the others were relatively moderate - radical socialism certainly isn't what Petlyura was primarily known for. Furthermore, the article itself makes it clear that the Ukrainian nationalist movement started at least as early as the 1840s with Shevchenko, not after the 1917 revolution as suggested later; the demand or autonomy after the February revolution may well be regarded as part of the movement for self-determination, and the formal bid for independence was launched in opposition to the October revolution, not as an expression of its 'Communist influence' as the wording implies.--178.249.169.67 (talk) 00:00, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks but it's not clear exactly what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Chidgk1 (talk) 18:47, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Consistency in the lede - "It spans an area of 603628km (Including the disputed territory of Crimea) with a population of 41.2 million,(Excluding the disputed territory of Crimea)"

The first paragraph of the lede now says, with the brackets representing foot notes, "It spans an area of 603,628 km² (233,062 sq mi),(including the disputed territory of Crimea.) with a population of 41.2 million,(Excluding the disputed territory of Crimea)" surely both figures should refer to the same territory?♥ L'Origine du monde ♥ ^{♥ Talk ♥} 20:35, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Pending discussion I have added the area and population of Crimea to the footnotes for clarity.♥ L'Origine du monde ♥ ^{♥ Talk ♥} 20:47, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Should the area/population of Donetsk and Luhansk be excluded/included/mentioned in the figures in the lede?

I could find no explanation in the archives for the strange treatment of Crimea described above. If there is a logic to including/excluding territory/population not under Ukrainian government control, perhaps it should also apply to these area.♥ L'Origine du monde ♥ ^{♥ Talk ♥} 21:07, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 February 2022

Putin's statement as to the purpose of the invasion was not simple demilitarization as is currently said, but to de-nazify and demilitarize the country. I believe this is an important distinction 135.23.157.227 (talk) 08:43, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Renat 09:05, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

User:RenatUK https://www.firstpost.com/world/demilitarise-and-denazify-how-vladimir-putin-justifies-russias-invasion-of-ukraine-10405181.html ♥ L'Origine du monde ♥ ^{♥ Talk ♥} 16:32, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 February 2022 (2)

After the Russian invasion of Ukraine, previously increasing tensions in Europe, immediately 40 people were confirmed dead as of the war. Many countries, including Germany had announced they'd send support to Ukraine. 2A02:C7E:562C:2F00:B542:6BD5:54CC:6FEB (talk) 10:43, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

 Not done That information is already present in the infobox of the relevant article, which is 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. LongLivePortugal (talk) 10:48, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Detail of Russian Invasion 2022

Suggestion for a swift upadate of Ukrainian president Zelenski declaring martial law, Delcaration of Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) and Luhansk People's Republic (LPR), military actions of Belarus in the Pripyat river, land & sea landing invasions in Crimea, Odessa and Dnipro, bombing of Kyiv etc. 118.43.235.137 (talk) 11:18, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

There is a page dedicated to the invasion found here - 2022 Russian Invasion of Ukraine Asr1014 (talk) 11:45, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

very small correction

in the timing of 2014 the crimea invasion seems to happen after old president decadence and even the new elections. it can be simply corrected by moving three lines upper the already existing short statement "The ousting[190] of Yanukovych prompted Vladimir Putin to begin preparations to annex Crimea on 23 February 2014.[191][192]" . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roberto90967 (talk • contribs) 12:08, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

 Done LongLivePortugal (talk) 13:59, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Spelling: Constitution of Ukraine

Last sentence in the section of Ukraine#Constitution of Ukraine has a spelling mistake in the link to the prime minister of Ukraine. Sda030 (talk) 15:01, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

•  Done, thank you! ASUKITE 15:06, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 February 2022 (3)

can you add the fact that Ukraine declared martial law on the 24th February 2022? the president declared it shortly after 7am local time, and it's important to the country's future and past. thank you. Akirajazmin (talk) 17:39, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

 Article on it here: Martial law in Ukraine.-- • Apollo468•  22:54, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

 Possibly, however as currently requested, there's not enough information to make this change directly.

@Akirajazmin, @Apollo468: An edit request should include at least one WP:RELIABLESOURCE, a very specific explanation of what needs to be added/removed/changed, and verbatim text of the updated article. You can find really good examples here: WP:ERSAMPLE. If you can't provide all those it's still appropriate to mention your concerns on the Talk: page but most editors won't have the information they need to make the change on your behalf. I've marked this as answered for now because of the missing information but you can always re-open it with more specifics. --N8 01:58, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 February 2022 (4)

Update as of 02-24-2022 Repubic of Ukraine .....this article states Ukrain is a member of Nato, United Nations. Ukraine IS NOT a member of the United Nations at this time. 24.112.109.127 (talk) 19:43, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

 Note: The article does not state that Ukraine is a member of NATO -- TNT (talk • she/her) 19:45, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Clarifying the description of Ukraine's poverty, GDP, and corruption ranks

See introduction, paragraph 4, sentence 2: "It is the poorest country in Europe, suffering from a very high poverty rate as well as severe corruption." Part of this is not true. I recommend that that should be replaced with the following text and references:

"While it is the second poorest country in Europe, it has a low poverty rate." Reference 1: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SI.POV.UMIC?locations=UA

"It is ranked as the 58th (out of 180) in perceptions of corruption." Reference 1: https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2021 Aanders08 (talk) 20:26, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi. Hyperlink under "the poorest" should be changed from "List of sovereign states in Europe by GDP (nominal) per capita" into "List of sovereign states in Europe by GDP (PPP) per capita" and we can add a statement "the poorest acc. to GDP (PPP) per capita" or something similar. NeonFor (talk) 03:07, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Size of the country

The article states that Ukraine is the second largest country in Europe after Russia, but France is larger than Ukraine. 173.175.23.195 (talk) 00:27, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

 France is transcontinental, and as seen by List of European countries by area, they only count land in Europe. France is 551,695 kilometeres squared according to this study, "We studied the metropolitan area of France (excluding Corsica island), which represents about 551,695 km2. Ukraine's is 603,628 kilometeres squared according to this, "Area of Ukraine is 603628 square kilometers.."-- • Apollo468•  01:07, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

References

This is already discussed on this page, here/ Mathglot (talk) 01:22, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Beside the point, but,

• 551,695 kilometers (or kilometres, but NOT kilometeres) squared comes to 304,367,373,025 kilometers.
• 603,628 kilometers squared comes to 364,366,762,384 kilometers.

The first is about 2000 times the distance from the sun to the earth; the second, about 2500 times. And both are lengths; neither one is an area. Are you sure you didn't mean square kilometers? Uporządnicki (talk) 12:52, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 February 2022

In the section 'Russian 2022 invasion of Ukraine' the last line of the first paragraph has a hanging bracket before 'American intelligence service' which should be removed. It appears to be there in error. Dauwenkust (talk) 01:48, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

 Done Appears to be there because of previous edit where it was linked, but removed.-- • Apollo468•  02:09, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

2022 invasion

The Russians will have probably taken Kyiv in a day or two. It is believed that they have entered a hospital and opened fire with patients inside, which is a severe war crime. They have as well attacked a kindergarten with children inside. They have ran a car over with a elderly civilian inside. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-russia-putin-war-kyiv-invasion-latest-b2022971.html https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-forces-attack-kindergarten-in-ukraine-casualties-reported-officials/ar-AAUiMYv?ocid=uxbndlbing Megabits13 (talk) 17:21, 25 February 2022 (UTC)Megabits13 I also recommend having this page either listed as a protected page or a semi-protected page for this is a controversial topic. Megabits13 (talk) 17:29, 25 February 2022 (UTC)Megabits13

What would you like to change for the first one? Also, it is extended-confirmed right now (500+ edits). The next would be full protection and template protection, which means only admins can edit.-- • Apollo468•  22:53, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Natural Resources

There is a post on Facebook making the rounds with quite a bit of "facts" about Ukraine's vast natural resources, such as uranium and mercury resources, farm land, etc. A brief scan of this article doesn't mention natural resources. MeekMark (talk) 18:56, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

4th para of "Geography" does Chidgk1 (talk) 18:03, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Russia war with Ukraine

Russia invades Ukraine 2A00:23C8:3F0B:C01:C528:33C3:1CA8:B6A8 (talk) 21:08, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine.-- • Apollo468•  22:53, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Added FAQ

Added a FAQ to the Talk header. There's only one question on it now (about second-largest country in Europe), but feel free to add more. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 01:34, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Adding Kyiv In Invaded Area's

OK! So Kyiv Is In Battle Now, I Suggest Changing The Map To Russia, Because A Russian Victory Is More Likely? Hurricanestudier123 (talk) 02:29, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Also, Adding A Own Section For The 2022 Russo Ukrainian War Would Be Nice Hurricanestudier123 (talk) 02:31, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

^ No? Change the map? Even if they took Kyiv it doesn't mean the battle is over. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.193.153.131 (talk) 15:41, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Which invaded area? And the invaded area's what? Uporządnicki (talk) 15:49, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

But seriously (apart from the snide remark on grammar; the plural of "area" is "areas," NOT "area's"), you're proposing we declare it done, based on what you believe will likely happen in the future. 16:03, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

NATO

According to the news regarding the invasion of Russia 2022 Ukraine is NOT a member of NATO. 2601:542:C002:E6A0:B44E:1AC2:56BE:596A (talk) 14:11, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Kievan Rus' founding year?

The date for the founding of Kievan Rus' is 882 here, but on the page for both Russia & Kievan Rúus' it is earlier - 879. 139.60.62.147 (talk) 16:25, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Requested cite as I cannot find Chidgk1 (talk) 18:13, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

"funded and trained in tactics of political organisation and nonviolent resistance by Western pollsters"

This unsourced phrase makes no sense. Pollsters do not fund or train activists. If external groups funded or trained people in Ukraine about nonviolent resistance or political organization,and if it is relevant, they should be named. Otherwise the sentence should be deleted. DarleneCypserEsq (talk) 20:10, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

DarleneCypserEsq I cannot read the pdf cited - have asked for quote - if no one can find in next day or so suggest deleting. So what do you suggest the sentence should say exactly? Or are you suggesting deleting the whole sentence? If so what should the following sentence say? Chidgk1 (talk) 18:25, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Language

In the section on Language, after quite some vacillation on legality and illegality of other languages than Ukrainian the third paragraph states - In February 2019, the law allowing for regional languages was found unconstitutional.[322] Which seems to mean that Russian is considered as unconstitutional. But already in the following paragraph there are many regions cited in which Russian is spoken. Who can understand this confusion?--2001:9E8:255:BA00:E9BA:B790:97ED:1EA9 (talk) 21:42, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

thanks - tweaked - hope clear now Chidgk1 (talk) 17:53, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Small spelling error

"Many regions in the country are currently under Russian ocupation due to the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine."

Ocupation should be corrected to occupation, as it is a misspelling. — Preceding unsigned comment added by IMiss2010 (talk • contribs) 14:43, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

thanks - looks already fixedChidgk1 (talk) 17:47, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 February 2022

Why Did "The Ukraine" Become Just "Ukraine"?]</ref> and so would be translated as if "the borderlands" — the Ukraine — like how Holland, meaning "low lands", is translated as "the Netherlands".

This statement should not mention Holland, but Nederland. Holland is a part of the Netherlands, whose name comes from "wood land". Nederland means low lands. MKenis (talk) 15:28, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

References

Hi @MKenis:, you might wish to refer to the Name of Ukraine article, which states that The use of "the Ukraine" is officially deprecated by the Ukrainian government and many English language media publications. While "the" used to be relatively commonly used, the usage of "the" has been gradually phased out. JaventheAldericky (talk) 17:36, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi @JaventheAlderick:, the problem with the Netherlands analogy, is that the Dutch refer to their country as "Nederland" (singular), whilst the English name is "The Netherlands" (plural, and with an article). The reason for this is probably because the official name of the country is "Het koninkrijk der Nederlanden", The kingdom of the Netherlands (plural). So the comparison is a bit messy. Anyway, I would suggest the following text:

"During most of the 20th century, Ukraine was referred to in the English-speaking world as The Ukraine.[18] This is apparently because the word "ukraina" means "borderland",[19] and so would be translated as "the borderlands" — the Ukraine — like how Nederland, meaning "low land" or "nether land", is translated as "the Netherlands"."

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 18:39, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Euromaidan and the Revolution of Dignity

Very one sided opinion. Would like to add that the ousting of Yanukovych was done illegally and was rightly labelled as a coup

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HelenHIL (talk) 23:30, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Request correction to possible typo/numerical error

The first sentence of the second graph reads: The territory of modern Ukraine has been inhabited since 32,000 BC. which appears to be an error. I don't have data to make an educated correction, though the [entry for Ancient History] cites 5,000 years as the span of recorded history.

 Not done:It seems to be cited correctly in the "Early history" section. Chidgk1 (talk) 17:42, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Russia is not part of Europe

Russia is not part of Europe 2601:543:8100:5C90:309B:DE92:CE67:AF32 (talk) 06:34, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Well you are very wrong. It is both Asia and Europe. I assume you just probably mean European Union. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 08:34, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 March 2022

In the first paragraph, Ukraine's size being second only to Russia in Europe is mentioned twice. Remove one of these mentions because of redundancy. Gygesfc (talk) 18:13, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Done thanks Chidgk1 (talk) 18:32, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

3rd largest

If you count all the land area, Denmark is the second largest country in Europe because of Greenland. Should I change the article? 174.252.193.5 (talk) 20:12, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Greenland is in North America. Georgia guy (talk) 20:16, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

I want help join ukrine military. I want to join

Pls how suggist me 2402:3A80:E1B:3E43:0:18:CD28:DD01 (talk) 06:00, 2 March 2022 (UTC)