Talk:Lauren Southern

Semi-protected edit request on 2 May 2022

Adding sources to the claim "Some academics and journalists have described Southern as a white nationalist..." would go a long way for the sake of political balance. Being able to source such a claim is quite important, otherwise it isn't known if there is a political bias of individuals who would make such a strong claim. 74.78.26.148 (talk) 10:01, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

If you press the note marked as ^[b], you will see the sources. Endwise (talk) 10:04, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

It's not about political balance. It's about accuracy.

The use of the terms "alt-right", "white nationalist" and "far-right" are supported by multiple admissible citations. For any changes to be made, you should suggest reliable sources which present Ms Southern in a different light. See: WP:RS and WP:BLP for some guidance. Hyperballad Eye (talk) 10:50, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

The notable source would be Ms Southern herself and her lawsuit against your website for defamation for listing her as something she claims to not be.

https://www.mixedtimes.com/news/lauren-southern-sends-defamation-complaint-to-wikipedia-over-long-running-smear-campaign

You are calling her something she does not believe in or publicly state to be, something used to defame her and attack her character that she personally states to not believe.

There is no better source than this, the person who holds the believes you are claiming to know.

This is why I dont donate to you and the example I give to anyone who thinks about donating to your site. Wikipedia will ignore people's actual words and get sued to publish smears about them. Dublin716 (talk) 22:11, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

That online tabloid does not appear to be a reliable source, in the sense of WP:RS. Newimpartial (talk) 23:09, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

I’m disappointed, but not surprised

The source for the “alt-right” reference is just naming other articles that call her “alt-right”, I don’t call that a source. It’s like trying to define a word by using the word to define it. 2607:FEA8:55DE:3400:9889:3BE0:F087:4FC1 (talk) 00:01, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

That's literally how sourcing works. Just because it doesn't line up with your views doesn't mean anything. PRAXIDICAE🌈 00:04, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 July 2022

In the Personal life - Brief retirement section, update the following:

"On 2 June 2019, Southern announced her retirement from political activism on her website. She stated that her reasons for leaving were that she needed to move on and find fulfillment in a more private capacity."

By appending the following:

"On July 11 2022, in "Chapter 9" of a 3 hour long video Southern further explains that the Australian government would reject her visa to be with her family if she would continue her political activism. She has since gotten a more permanent visa, allowing her to speak about this."

The video is a more comprehensive recap of the events including multiple revelations about toxicity within the alt-right movement, but I believe the above is uniquely relevant for the section about personal life. Fieldbook (talk) 12:29, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The primary source of what she's saying about this is not reliable for the actions of the Australian government. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:29, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Southern is not her real last name

[redacted]* 71.123.34.146 (talk) 10:17, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

A WP:RS is needed to support your assertion. Plenty of dubious or low quality sources online make this claim, but nothing which is usable. Philip Cross (talk) 11:54, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

To that end, I have redacted the alleged last name, since a reliable source was not provided. WP:BLP's requirement for sourcing holds even on talk pages. —C.Fred (talk) 12:01, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Alt-right

Off-topic. WP article content is based on reliable sources, not on opinions devoid of sources

Southern has made it clear that she identifies as a conservative, so why is she still labeled as alt-right? 2603:8080:C401:BC90:8066:82FB:A243:97EC (talk) 03:19, 10 October 2022 (UTC) All you have to do is watch one or two of her videos on YouTube to see that she isn't alt-right. This particular page seems to have gone to great lengths to portray her as such, but she's mostly conservative, not alt-right. Unless alt-right doesn't mean what I think it means anymore. That's the problem with these terms; they're constantly shifting, and nobody can distinguish between alt-right and ordinary conservative thinking anymore. You can use me as a source, if you like. She's not alt-right. Robertwharvey (talk) 13:03, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Unfortunate. Perhaps we should discourage the use of sources from 4/5/6 years ago, at the beginning of Southern's career, and instead find (Wikipedia standards acceptable) sources that reflect her current political stances. I would actually consider her less conservative than Michael J. Knowles who is not alt-right. 24.156.179.25 (talk) 00:54, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

On a secondary note, such a label given to her isn't surprising when Wikipedia considers Buzzfeed as a reliable accurate source. This article used Buzzfeed 5 times, incredible. And to top it off the article also features Media Matters, calling her a "troll". Totally accurate and trustworthy, yup. Hard to be those things when articles written are so blatantly partisan. Not even trying to hide bias which does skew characterization of figures like Southern. 24.156.179.25 (talk) 01:01, 10 December 2022 (UTC)