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:{{ping|31204V}} Wikipedia subjects need in-depth coverage (full-length articles, not just passing mentions) in usually at least 3 reliable sources that are not written by or affiliated with the subject. Your draft is written like an advertisement. Also, if you have a [[WP:conflict of interest|conflict of interest]] you should declare it on your userpage. [[User:WikiOriginal-9|<span style="color: blue">'''''~WikiOriginal-9~'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:WikiOriginal-9|<span style="color: blue">'''talk'''</span>]]) 06:38, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
:{{ping|31204V}} Wikipedia subjects need in-depth coverage (full-length articles, not just passing mentions) in usually at least 3 reliable sources that are not written by or affiliated with the subject. Your draft is written like an advertisement. Also, if you have a [[WP:conflict of interest|conflict of interest]] you should declare it on your userpage. [[User:WikiOriginal-9|<span style="color: blue">'''''~WikiOriginal-9~'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:WikiOriginal-9|<span style="color: blue">'''talk'''</span>]]) 06:38, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

== 10:22, 8 December 2023 review of submission by Dediggefedde ==
{{Lafc|username=Dediggefedde|ts=10:22, 8 December 2023|draft=Missing reference in biography: Hans Geissel}}
Hello!
I tried to submit a draft, which is basically a translation of the German entry of Hans Geissel, which I also wrote together with Hans Geissel. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Geissel
However, the english draft (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Hans_Geissel) was declined because of missing references.

In a response to a different question on this page, I saw the statement "in articles on living people (WP:BLP), every material statement, anything potentially contentious, and all private personal and family details must be clearly supported by inline citations to reliable published sources" (by DoubleGrazing).
The lack of such citations at times is also the case for this article, so I understand the decision for declining.


First question: How can I provide citations for biographical events that were not mentioned in publications?

I am in personal contact with Hans Geissel, but I see myself challenged finding public, independent citation sources for his biography data.
In general, it seems difficult to prove where someone worked, studied or which experiment they build if there is no newspaper about it.

For example, the "DPG research grant 1982" does not seem to appear in any publication. I also didn't find any publications confirming his date or location of birth, or that he supervises students since 1985.
I could leave everything like that out, but since there aren't many publications in general, the article not contain much biographical information.
However, since he is the world record holder for the discovery of more than 280 new isotopes and for his other achievements, he is notable in my opinion and a detailed wiki page would be justified.


Second question: Which information does actually need references in practice?

The reviewer didn't specify which information requires citation, so I tried to look at other articles for reference, but it looks a bit inconsistent:
* The article was accepted in its German version.
* A wiki of one of Mr. Geissel's colleagues was published, but marked for requiring improvement (like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Armbruster)
* Another colleague also has few references, but the article is fine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigurd_Hofmann) [[User:Dediggefedde|Dediggefedde]] ([[User talk:Dediggefedde|talk]]) 10:22, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

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December 1

00:23, 1 December 2023 review of submission by 144.74.136.34

i reviewed a number of brief biographies to model this one. I'm not sure what references are missing. I removed anything that could sound like an opinion and limited this to verifiable facts and many references to peer-reviewed journals. The one thing more i could do would be to include website references such as to NIH reporter for grants or the Rush website for employment. But others have not done so. thanks 

144.74.136.34 (talk) 00:23, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't matter what others have or haven't done; what matters is whether this draft complies with core policies and guidelines, and is therefore acceptable in its own right.
The decline was done, correctly, on the basis of insufficient citations to support the contents: in articles on living people (WP:BLP), every material statement, anything potentially contentious, and all private personal and family details must be clearly supported by inline citations to reliable published sources. This draft has entire paragraphs without a single citation, and further ones with only one or two cites.
The draft has been resubmitted and is awaiting review, but it is almost certainly going to be declined again, unless you improve on the referencing. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:27, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
PS: If you are User:Bennett DA, please remember to log into your account when editing.
PPS: If you are the subject of this draft, please read and understand WP:AUTOBIO. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:29, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

04:32, 1 December 2023 review of submission by 116.73.99.123

please accept my wikipedia 116.73.99.123 (talk) 04:32, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You submitted a blank page two times. Ca talk to me! 04:46, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

04:33, 1 December 2023 review of submission by 116.73.99.123

This is big function and big group 116.73.99.123 (talk) 04:33, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't start multiple threads on the same topic, if you have further questions (which this isn't) just add them to the earlier thread. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:21, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

09:08, 1 December 2023 review of submission by Aftab Ashraf at ACE Money Transfer

Hello,

I am trying to publish ACE Money Transfer's Wikipedia article, but the article has been declined multiple times due to resources. I have updated the resources as per the provided guidelines, where no promotional or commercial resource is used.

Additionally, it's important to highlight that ACE Money Transfer is a remittance company offering digital money transfer solutions to expats worldwide. So, its resources are found only on relevant financial and fintech websites.

Please advise why our article is being declined everytime only due to the resources. We need to get our company's article published on Wikipedia ASAP.

Looking forward to your spontaneous response!

Regards! Aftab Ashraf ACE Money Transfer Aftab Ashraf at ACE Money Transfer (talk) 09:08, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Aftab Ashraf at ACE Money Transfer Wikipedia has zero interest in the needs of your company or in aiding efforts by your company to tell the world about its offerings.
You have a fundamental misunderstanding about what it is we do here. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia with criteria for inclusion, it is not a place for companies to tell the world about themselves and what they do. As an encyclopedia, Wikipedia articles summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. Wikipedia is not interested in what a company wants to say about itself. "Significant coverage" is that which goes beyond merely describing the offerings of the company or its activities, and goes into detail about what the source sees as important/significant/influential about the company, not what it sees as important about itself. None of the sources you provide seem to be the significant coverage required. I think that you are too close to your company to be able to write about it as Wikipedia requires. Please read WP:BOSS and have your superiors at your company read it too.
The awards/recognition you mention is absolutely meaningless in terms of notability, especially being from niche publications. Only awards that themselves have articles contribute to notability(like Academy Award or Nobel Peace Prize). 331dot (talk) 09:29, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I am positively seeking your help and guidance to understand and proceed the way Wikipedia requires. Please check the following, which have even far more promotional and commercial resources than ours:
Remitly
Wise (company)
Ria Money Transfer
MoneyGram
These are just a few examples. If they all qualify, why can't we? Please help and guide us through the process. Aftab Ashraf at ACE Money Transfer (talk) 09:43, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Please read other stuff exists- that other articles exist does not mean that they meet requirements. As this is a volunteer project, it is possible for inapprpriate content to get by us, this does not mean more inappropriate content can be added. We can only address the inappropriate content we are made aware of. If you want to use other articles as a model or example, use those classified as good articles, which have received community vetting.
Again, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of Wikipedia. This is not a database of companies where mere existence warrants inclusion. We have criteria(WP:ORG). The vast majority of companies do not merit articles; many articles that exist likely should not. Again, please read WP:BOSS and have your superiors read it. 331dot (talk) 09:51, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What are the three (and only three, please) absolute best independent sources that provide significant coverage of your company? 331dot (talk) 09:53, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

12:13, 1 December 2023 review of submission by Drnoble

Hi, my submission about the proposed Morlais tidal power project was rejected with a possibly TOOSOON stating there was no independent coverage. I have updated the article a bit, referencing BBC News and an Observer article, plus I had already listed other industry new sources. I don't think it is too soon to have a page on this, as the project has been in development for a decade and construction ongoing for over a year. Plus contracts were awarded for electricity generation at the site in the last 2 annual UK auctions, as I have listed. I would appreciate any guidance on what else, or how much more, should be added to the page to make it suitable for publishing on Wikipedia. Thanks, Donald 

Drnoble (talk) 12:13, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Drnoble: TOOSOON usually just means that there don't appear to be enough independent and reliable secondary sources to base an article on, something that can be expected to be resolved with the passage of time. If you can cite sufficient sources meeting WP:GNG already now, then that will negate the TOOSOON argument. (There is also a related point, that Wikipedia is not WP:CRYSTALBALL, but that boils down mainly to how likely this development is to go ahead.) HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:26, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks @DoubleGrazing. Construction of the project has started, so I don't think it is too much crystal ball gazing, but will bear that in mind for other potential projects. I will try and add some more to the article and resubmit. Drnoble (talk) 18:29, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

13:36, 1 December 2023 review of submission by Abm1994

I tried to edit it and include references with wikidata . Abm1994 (talk) 13:36, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Abm1994: okay, but that's not a question – do you have one in mind you would like to ask?
In any case, this draft has been rejected, and will therefore not be considered further. If you have new evidence of notability which wasn't considered previously, you should make your case directly to the reviewer who rejected the draft. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:30, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW it was rejected two years ago. 331dot (talk) 16:20, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Haha, good spot! I thought it was three months ago, but you're right, it was two years and three months. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:23, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

14:33, 1 December 2023 review of submission by SPAAAAACE

My submission was recently declined because its sources did not show significant coverage, and I was wondering if it was necessary to find more sources that entirely focus on Virtual Radar Server. I've been able to find many sources that mention VRS as being used for the given task, but there are very few third-party ones that solely focus on it. Would it be enough for me to show that VRS is technically significant because it's pretty much the only FOSS real-time ADS-B plotter?

Thanks, SPA5CE🕴 ./talk 14:33, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@SPAAAAACE: unfortunately "technical significance" and attributes of that ilk are not notability criteria in what comes to inclusion in Wikipedia; you will need to be able to cite independent and reliable secondary sources with significant coverage of the subject (which doesn't mean that they must focus solely on it, but they do need to cover it more extensively than merely mentioning it in passing). -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:35, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@DoubleGrazing Okay. Thanks for your help. There aren't any other good sources, so I guess VRS isn't really notable. I found a couple of scientific articles that say they used Virtual Radar, but it's, again, only in passing. SPA5CE🕴 ./talk 19:37, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

15:58, 1 December 2023 review of submission by 172.110.60.34

What can I fix about my article to get it approved? 172.110.60.34 (talk) 15:58, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia articles should summarise what reliable published sources have said about a subject, and then each of those sources should be cited against the information it has provided. This draft cites a single source, only twice, which is nowhere near enough to establish the subject's notability or even to verify the contents.
If I'm honest, there also doesn't seem to be anything in there that would make this person noteworthy enough to warrant inclusion in a global encyclopaedia. Wikipedia doesn't merely catalogue people or things because they exist; there must be some reason that justifies their inclusion. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:07, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

16:44, 1 December 2023 review of submission by Clamar4409

I want to delete what is in my sandbox to try again but when I tried it gave me a response as though I had been acting like a bot. Please, someone give me a good link on doing so. I keep looking for any synonym of "Delete" and am finding nothing in the editor area. When I tried just deleting the text and saving it clean, I get the warning that I am now being limited. Need help. Please Clamar4409 (talk) 16:44, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Clamar4409 Do you want to just clear your sandbox to write something else, or do you want your sandbox removed? To do the former, you need only to remove what is there currently in an edit. 331dot (talk) 16:50, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weird. That is what I tried and got the response saying that I had been limited Will try again.
I am determined to finally figure out Wikipedia submission, but still sucking here Clamar4409 (talk) 16:57, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Correction. It worked this time. Thank you Clamar4409 (talk) 16:58, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@331dot Would you please review the sandbox now? I want to know if this is an acceptable submission. It's simple and not meaty, but has all the details.
I'm trying to start smaller since my original attempts were too grandiose. Clamar4409 (talk) 17:38, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've added the submission information, I'm not presently able to look at it. 331dot (talk) 17:42, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

16:59, 1 December 2023 review of submission by Sylvan1971

Hello - I have been working on this article for 18 months, each draft an attempt to address editors' comments. Most recently, after many drafts and improved citations, editor User:S0091 acknowledged notability on my talk page and asked that I remove unverifiable information, which I think I have now done. How do I re-submit for consideration? Thank you. Sylvan1971 (talk) 16:59, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Typically, the first step is to appeal to the reviewer that rejected the draft. 331dot (talk) 17:05, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

17:52, 1 December 2023 review of submission by Seekrait

I have been trying to write an article by James Wolcott of Maumee, Ohio. Apparently, I made a second page. How do I publish the right one that I want to publish. Seekrait (talk) 17:52, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Seekrait it seems the duplication is sorted now and the draft is pending review. S0091 (talk) 21:35, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

18:52, 1 December 2023 review of submission by Aceomrelliug

A good chunk of the costume photos are taken by me or someone that I know, how would I cite them in that case? I also wonder what other parts of the article draft need to be referenced. Current references cover a big chunk of the article especially in the History section.Aceomrelliug (talk) 18:52, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Aceomrelliug All the content needs to be referenced to a reliable source and Twitter, Instragram, etc. are not reliable sources. For the images, you need be sure you are not violating copyrights, which is a legal issue for both you and Wikipedia as the host. You cannot just use illustrations/photos from another person/entity created and published somewhere (which includes social media) unless it is compliant with CC-BY-SA. Generally, you can only use the photos you personally took. S0091 (talk) 19:48, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

20:38, 1 December 2023 review of submission by BananaSlug

Thank you for the quick review of Draft:PLEXUS West Coast Women’s Press. It was declined with the comment:

“There are a lot of sources here, but none of them seem to coverage this newspaper with in depth coverage, which is what is needed for a wikipedia article. Stuartyeates (talk) 19:23, 1 December 2023 (UTC)”

Yet the references include:

(1) an article solely about PLEXUS in the Oakland Tribune, a newspaper of record in the San Francisco Bay Area (second in importance at the time only to two papers published in San Francisco).

(2) an article solely about PLEXUS in the Berkeley Barb an influential and widely read underground newspaper of the 1960s-1970s.

(3) discussion of PLEXUS in Brownmiller’s book “In Our Time: Memoir of a Revolution” (which itself was reviewed by the New York Times, as referenced in the draft article).

Finally, the entire publication history of PLEXUS was deemed worthy of inclusion in several academic and public libraries (on microfilm) and a fully digitized version is included in a modern commercial online historical reference service called "Gale's Archives of Sexuality and Gender" (www.gale.com).

I would appreciate more detail about why these sources do not meet the requirement of “multiple published sources that are: in-depth, reliable, secondary, and independent of the subject.”

— BananaSlug (talk) 20:38, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@BananaSlug interviews, writings or publications with those involved are not independent sources so cannot be used to establish notability and blogs, social media, etc. are not reliable sources so should not be used. The Oakland Tribune article is solid but multiple sources meeting the sourcing criteria are needed. It does seem such sources should exist though. Note, it was declined, not a rejected, which means you can make improvements and resubmit it for another review. You might also want to post a note at WT:Women in Red for guidance/assistance. S0091 (talk) 21:06, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I will follow up on your suggestions. BananaSlug (talk) 21:29, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

21:34, 1 December 2023 review of submission by Englotism

Hello my draft got declined even though I have tried my best to follow all rules, can somebody please help me and tell me exactly what I should change in order for it to get approved? Thank you in advance! Englotism (talk) 21:34, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Courtesy link: Draft:Charlotte Austin
EnglotismRead the comments the declining reviewer gave you. Are you confused about those? Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 00:11, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

December 2

02:11, 2 December 2023 review of submission by Gorkem80

The draft is not accepted, however, the criteria for High Schools mostly state that it is sufficient for the high school to exist and to be a real high school. There are a high number of mentions in the Turkish national media (Milliyet, Hurriyet: which are equivalents of The New York Times and Washington Post in Turkey.) Even if these are just passing mentions about the successes of the school's students, it should be sufficient for a high school. Am I interpreting the criteria incorrectly? Update: I realized the "reliable proof of existence is sufficient" criteria for High Schools has been abandoned since 2017. But still, there are tons of High School articles on Wikipedia with a much weaker demonstration of notability. There is a guideline discouraging editors from nominating them for deletion, keeping in mind that it is likely that there are other sources not readily available online. Should the same criteria not be applied here, for this particular high school? The achievement examples are just a small subset of national news coverage that I could find available online. Gorkem80 (talk) 02:11, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Gorkem80 see WP:OTHERSTUFF about the existence of the other articles. You are correct there are other poor articles that were created before the change in notability criteria so may not meet the criteria as it stands today and likely should be deleted. The criteria as it stands for public schools is WP:GNG. If there are sources that meet the criteria, then cite them. Stating "they must exist" is not enough. I see you have resubmitted the draft so another reviewer will take a look. S0091 (talk) 21:28, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

03:33, 2 December 2023 review of submission by Lisaasills

How do I cite myself (Lisa Sills) as the inventor of the word "finagle"? Lisaasills (talk) 03:33, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

03:40, 2 December 2023


Can you please redirect the 2027 NFL season article for me please i would accept it 03:47, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

04:13, 2 December 2023 review of submission by 114.178.137.10

This topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia >> Please tell us the reason of 'not sufficiently notable', because Dr Sakakibara's work contributed significantly to neurological patients with bladder and bowel dysfunction (previously underestimated field, Neurourology and Neurogastroenterology), while descriptive tone was neutral. (reference: 'Prokar Dasgupta', medical doctor, wikipedia page.) 114.178.137.10 (talk) 04:13, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi IP, taking a brief look it several of the sources are his own publications which are primary and not independent so not use (not to mention many if not all are already in the Publications section). I suggest removing all of those. Other sources make no mention of him so not useful and again should not be used so remove all of those. Given the draft is rejected, your recourse is to reach out the editor who rejected the draft. S0091 (talk) 20:17, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

04:28, 2 December 2023 review of submission by Jacob Laco

How can I make a better article? Jacob Laco (talk) 04:28, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This article will not be accepted into Wikipedia because it has been rejected. If you wish for more general advice as to how to write, see WP:Your first article and WP:Writing better articles Mach61 (talk) 05:38, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

04:43, 2 December 2023 review of submission by 2409:4062:2D9F:75CB:3338:930:EBCD:CBC2

Srushti Deshmukh is a popular IAS who became IAS by fixing the All Over India fifth Rank in UPSC Exam 2018 in her 1st attempt. She is also very famous on social media handles such as YouTube, and Instagram, and has more than one million followers on her Instagram handle, her duty and wedding videos are usually viral on social media handles.

Srishti Deshmukh, who became an IAS in her 1st UPSC attempt, was born on 28 March 1995 in Kasturba Nagar, Bhopal, MP, and is mostly popular for securing fifth rank in the UPSC exam 2018. Aside from this, videos of her duty usually go viral on YouTube and Instagram reels, due to which She has got more popularity. IAS Srishti Deshmukh finished her primary education at Carmel Convent School, BHEL, Bhopal, and Later, She begin engineering studies at Laxmi Narayan Engineering College after Middle, and from the last semester of engineering, he begin preparations for UPSC.2409:4062:2D9F:75CB:3338:930:EBCD:CBC2 (talk) 04:43, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This draft has been rejected and will not be considered further. Please do not create more such content, as this is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia. Thank you. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:57, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

08:32, 2 December 2023 review of submission by 2409:4062:2D9F:75CB:7166:E13F:3C10:5DBB

Satyanarayan Maharana's real name is Laxmi Narayan Maharana. By mistake, news have written his brother, that is why I request you to publish this page and people will know that his real name is Laxmi Narayan Maharana. 2409:4062:2D9F:75CB:7166:E13F:3C10:5DBB (talk) 08:32, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This draft has been rejected as non-notable, and will therefore not be considered further.
Wikipedia is not here to correct information erroneously published by third parties; if you wish for such misinformation to be corrected, your best bet would no doubt be to approach those media outlets which have made the error. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:56, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

09:17, 2 December 2023 review of submission by Amir Hossein Palizdar

hi, could you provide me with why you diclined my article? 

Amir Hossein Palizdar (talk) 09:17, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Amir Hossein Palizdar: I had to reject it in the end, since you kept resubmitting it, although it had been pointed out twice already that we can only accept English-language content here on the English-language Wikipedia, and this draft self-evidently is not in English. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:20, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

10:52, 2 December 2023 review of submission by Rahatul Islam official

Mohammad Rahatul Islam Rahatul Islam official (talk) 10:52, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Rahatul Islam official: you don't ask a question, but this draft has been rejected and will not be considered further. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a platform to tell the world about yourself. Try some sort of social media or blogging site instead. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:55, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell the world about themselves. Please read the autobiography policy. 331dot (talk) 10:55, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

13:28, 2 December 2023 review of submission by HfxCJP

I am starting to get a bit confused. I was told to look at other notable wiki pages for people that are on here.. and I am posting the same amount of info... is it the format I am putting the info in? here is the example I went from : Devyn Nekoda

Please help if you have the time...

HfxCJP (talk) 13:28, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @HfxCJP it appears he has had minor roles, not starring or lead support roles. In order to meet the notability guidelines, you need to show he has had significant roles in notable works or there has been significant coverage about him. Neither is met. Also, most of the awards are minor so I suggest trimming that down to the major awards he personally has won. This is likely a case of WP:TOOSOON where he does not meet the notability guidelines now but may very well at some point in the future. S0091 (talk) 20:57, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
gotcha.. thank you very much! Have a great day. HfxCJP (talk) 21:57, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
HfxCJP, your draft claims that one of his most notable roles is on the TV showl Mr. D, and yet the Wikipefia article about that show does not mention him. That is incongruous and likely to generate scrutiny from reviewers. Cullen328 (talk) 09:18, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

14:57, 2 December 2023 review of submission by Rana wikibio

Now what can i do Plesse said me Rana wikibio (talk) 14:57, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Rana wikibio: nothing doing, this draft has been rejected. Also, do not remove the AfC templates, please. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:15, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I will not remove your opinion in the discussion but I request you to review again. You see all the sources given there are news sources. Wikipedia needs a more reliable source though. But the sources that are given there are not unsafe at all. Hope you will help this little brother to keep my draft alive by re-reviewing Rana wikibio (talk) 15:30, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Which part of "do not remove the AfC templates" do you struggle with? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:41, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

21:29, 2 December 2023 review of submission by 98.186.55.18

Can you Please put a redirect on the 2027 NFL season article please i would accept it 98.186.55.18 (talk) 21:29, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi IP, see WP:Articles for creation/Redirects and categories for requesting a new redirect. S0091 (talk) 22:12, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
According to my calendar, it is still 2023. Why would any editor spend time working on an annual event that will probably take place in 2027, but the world could also be destroyed in the interim? Cullen328 (talk) 09:09, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

22:22, 2 December 2023 review of submission by IcosaMarty343

i cannot find any reliable sources for the content IcosaMarty343 (talk) 22:22, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@IcosaMarty343: It's probably not notable then, unfortunately. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 22:33, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
IcosaMarty343 Articles need reliable sources in order to exist. You may want to touch base over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics for ideas of sources that might include it. (I have a degree in Mathematics, and all of the Math looks like, you just need to how that this isn't your creation, that it is what *others* have called it)Naraht (talk) 22:43, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

December 3

05:18, 3 December 2023 review of submission by Haplo1990

I do not know how to implement the proper formatting or convert the references to the standard form. Any additional feedback on this article would be appreciated. Thank you. Haplo1990 (talk) 05:18, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Haplo1990 please start by reading WP:REFB and WP:CITE and come back to this thread with specific questions. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 08:33, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

07:45, 3 December 2023 review of submission by QuietSisyphus

I am having difficulty getting the article Draft:Eberhard Kirchberg to be accepted. It has been rejected for the reason that "The vast majority of citations are to primary sources". However, a majority of the references are to scientific papers and books discussing the papers and work of Kirchberg. Are these not secondary sources? Any clarification on what constitutes secondary sources or examples of ones I could use for a modern mathematician and his work would be appreciated. QuietSisyphus (talk) 07:45, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@QuietSisyphus I think it would help to a great extent if you used {{Cite journal}} -WP:REFB and WP:CITE are your friends here - (with as many of the parameters as you have available filled in) for the papers. This gives a non specialist reviewer a better chance of verifying that the paper has been peer reviewed.
As I'm sure you know, a peer review is effectively a critique of not only their work but their approach to work, so qualifies as a reference. Arxiv.org is a deprecated source. Finding a reliable source for that paper would help immensely. Further help will be to find media coverage (not simply academic papers) that speak about him. Non-English language sources are perfectly fine.
I do not have the expertise to judge whether he is sufficiently notable to pass WP:NPROF. My gut instinct says he is, but any weight to can add to the scale pan will help the next reviewer.
By the way, the draft has been declined - pushed back to you for further work - not rejected, which would signify the end of the line. I'm not sure the prior reviews were as helpful as you might have wished. That happens sometimes, and ought not to. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 08:47, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Shooting Star (spacecraft)

I am having difficulty getting the article Draft:Eberhard Kirchberg to be accepted. It has been rejected many times. can someone instruct me what is wrong in this draft. I have tried all the ways i know. So please tell what must me added or removed. I don't know how it looks as advertisement article when it's somewhat in parallel to Dream Chaser, the spacecraft page of this service module. Your opinions matter. 122.187.144.98 (talk) 08:56, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note that there is a difference in this process between "declined" and "rejected". Rejected would mean resubmission is not possible. Declined means it is possible. Have you read the advice left by reviewers? The main issue seems to be that most of the sources are not independent sources. 331dot (talk) 10:45, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Please give a Wikipedia page to know what is an independent source. 122.187.144.98 (talk) 15:40, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
A source which is independent of the topic is an independent source.
A source related to the subject is a primary source.
A source published by the subject is a self published source.
With regard to reliable sources, please see WP:RSP for w list which is not definitive, showing what his and is not reliable. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 15:44, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

11:04, 3 December 2023 review of submission by DEBASISHTANTI07

why the Wikipedia didn't accept my article DEBASISHTANTI07 (talk) 11:04, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The reviewer left a message for you. Please read it and improve your draft. zoglophie•talk• 11:10, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

11:33, 3 December 2023 review of submission by Meganinja202

I need someone to help me to complete this page, I tried translate the most i could from the spanish wiki post about this sport channel, but it was not enough for the english standards for wiki

Any help is apreciated, thanks Meganinja202 (talk) 11:33, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Meganinja202 I think all it needs is additional references, no need for them to be in English, that meet our requirements.
We require references from significant coverage about the topic of the article, and independent of it, in multiple secondary sources which are WP:RS please. See WP:42. Please also see WP:PRIMARY which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and WP:SELFPUB which has clear limitations on self published sources. Providing sufficient references, ideally one per fact referred to, that meet these tough criteria is likely to allow this article to remain. Lack of them or an inability to find them is likely to mean that the topic is not suitable for inclusion, certainly today.
I don't think it needs more words.
You can do this! 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 15:49, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

13:08, 3 December 2023 review of submission by Flukspk14


Request failed I would like to use the wiki that I have made for a temporary period. Flukspk14 (talk) 13:08, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Flukspk14: sorry, I don't understand what you're asking (if anything). I also don't understand what you were trying to do with this draft (such as it was). Please elaborate? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:22, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

16:11, 3 December 2023 review of submission by שלומית ליר

Hi there, I am a Wikipedia researcher from Israel and would like to know how to improve this article. Thank you שלומית ליר (talk) 16:11, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

שלומית ליר you should consider adding the content you have written into Nahal Oz attack, as that article is not that long yet. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 23:23, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
These are two different places and situations. One is a Kibbutz, and the second is a military post nearby.שלומית ליר (talk) 06:39, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

18:14, 3 December 2023 review of submission by Jeremiah97478

Hello there, recently my draft/submission for the starting pieces of a page dedicated for the neurodivergent was declined due to the possible result of understanding nothing of wikipedia and probably not having enough description for this. I understand this as I did this as a bare bones foundation for others to work on.

But I seem to probably not understand, I would like some advice then if it's possible? Thanks Jeremiah97478 (talk) 18:14, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"I don't know what for references, I'm sorry :(" are you asking what references mean or the topic doesn't have any reference to cite in the draft? zoglophie•talk• 18:20, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

18:33, 3 December 2023 review of submission by Demeke Akalu

i Just wanted to create my own Wikipedia account kindly assist with the matter thank you Demeke Akalu (talk) 18:33, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Demeke Akalu: you have created your account, Demeke Akalu. Is there a problem? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:56, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
DA created and submitted to AfC Sandbox content which was Rejected. David notMD (talk) 02:48, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

21:45, 3 December 2023 review of submission by MASHIACHNOW123

Hello, I attempted to publish a page on the Mansu Hill area of Pyongyang, DPRK but it was removed. Now it is a draft. I would like to fix this page so it can be published, but I do not know what changes to make. Would it be possible to just have others do it? MASHIACHNOW123 (talk) 21:45, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @MASHIACHNOW123 likely not as most drafts are dependent on those who create them. The draft does not cite any sources which begs the question from where did you get the information? If it was from published reliable sources, then cite them (see also this guide for citing sources). If from your own knowledge, then that is not usable here. S0091 (talk) 21:50, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
All info is from Korean Wikipedia's article for Mansu Hill. There, no sources are given. MASHIACHNOW123 (talk) 22:06, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
MASHIACHNOW123, Korean Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Note that different language Wikipedias are completely separate projects and can have different standards on content. So even if an article exists in other languages, it may not be appropriate to have an article on the English Wikipedia.
If you want to continue with the draft, it is your responsibility to find appropriate reliable, secondary, and in-depth sources to meet the general notability guideline, or demonstrate that it meets the notability guideline specific to geographical features. You should also consider cleaning up the article on Korean Wikipedia as well. Happy editing! Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 23:27, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

December 4

09:01, 4 December 2023 review of submission by Basittali

Hi Zoglophie,

I have included the initial information along with certain citations and links. My intention was to add more information in subsequent edits, but my submissions have been consistently rejected. Could you please provide guidance on what I should do next? Basittali (talk) 09:01, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Basittali What is your connection to this individual, since you took his picture in his office and he posed for you?
Note that an article previously existed about this man that was deleted per a deletion discussion, and you seem to have not overcome the reasons for that deletion, this is why the draft was rejected and will not be considered further. He seems to be an ordinary lower-level government official without significant coverage in independent reliable sources as to what makes him notable. 331dot (talk) 09:10, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I am just citizen of Islamabad and being benefited by the now healthcare system. I planned to add the reliable sources after the article is live. I was thinking to invite participants to edit it in their own way. Now i have only option to edit it but not to submit for review. Please guide me what to do now so that i will only submit the final version. Basittali (talk) 09:47, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Basittali Rejected means it is simply not notable for inclusion in Wikipedia. You are still free to contribute in other ways; as you seem to be interested in Pakistan's healthcare system, I can recommend articles in Category:Healthcare in Pakistan. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 13:02, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

11:09, 4 December 2023 review of submission by Flint314

Is there a way to get it approved. It describes a new technology, where most of the references are the standard text itself -- and initial articles from industry following news sites reporting on the introduction of the technology. Guidance is appreciated if it can be made acceptable. Flint314 (talk) 11:09, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Flint314: this draft has been rejected, which means it's the end of the road. If there are sources which weren't earlier considered, and which satisfy the WP:GNG standard for notability, then you can appeal directly to the reviewer who rejected this, but based on what you say I'm assuming such sources aren't available? Important to bear in mind that Wikipedia is almost never an early source to cover something new and emerging, as we only summarise what reliable and independent secondary sources have previously said. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:25, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

13:05, 4 December 2023 review of submission by Elijahwordpress

Getting a page approved and published Elijahwordpress (talk) 13:05, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Elijahwordpress: do you have a question you would like to ask? Otherwise I suggest you await the outcome of the pending review. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:37, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Okay Elijahwordpress (talk) 13:38, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

14:12, 4 December 2023 review of submission by Kulturvetare

I have submitted this draft twice. The first round I understood what I needed to correct, but now I really don't. It's something about a source problem. The feedback was so short it didn't make much clear for me.

The sources need to be independent, third party - I get that. But she is an author and a scientist, so almost all sources have references to something she has made - it's the profession.

I will try once more and use another woman scientist from Sweden as a reference page, Emma Frans.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Frans Kulturvetare (talk) 14:12, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Kulturvetare: on both occasions, this draft was declined for lack of evidence of notability, which means that the sources do not demonstrate how it meets any of the established notability guidelines, mainly WP:GNG. The second reviewer merely referred to the previous decline, saying that the problem (with sources) still remains.
It is possible for authors and scientists to meet a different notability guideline, namely WP:AUTHOR and WP:NACADEMIC, respectively. In this case, you do not need to show significant coverage of the subject in multiple independent secondary sources. You still do need to support the notability claims with reliable published sources, however. Note also that these guidelines are quite onerous, and meeting them can be difficult; we don't just want to see your assertion that notability is met, but objective evaluation and reliable evidence thereof. Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:18, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I do refer to PubMed - where almost all published research of hers are - but maybe I should list the scientific papers individually? I used this researcher wikipedia site as a reference now, and it is published with even fewer secondary sources: Emma Frans
There is a Swedish Wikipedia page as well: https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotta_Borg_Skoglund Kulturvetare (talk) 15:38, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

16:04, 4 December 2023 review of submission by MKutera74

Hello. I wanted to know why this article was rejected? It is in the Polish encyclopedia. I had to create this language version myself because the wiki translator informed me about some external errors. Please help somehow, what about this article now? MKutera74 (talk) 16:04, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

16:08, 4 December 2023 review of submission by MKutera74

Hello. I wanted to know why this article was rejected? It is in the Polish encyclopedia. I had to create this language version myself because the wiki translator informed me about some external errors. Please help somehow, what about this article now? MKutera74 (talk) 16:08, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

17:29, 4 December 2023 review of submission by Benraphy

Why this page is not appearing first when we search Milasha Joseph Benraphy (talk) 17:29, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Benraphy: because it has not been patrolled by a New Pages Reviewer, so it is not indexed by search engines. Please be patient – there are 12,000 articles waiting to be patrolled. Cremastra (talk) 18:22, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

17:32, 4 December 2023 review of submission by BVECJordan

Hello sir and respected writer i haved writen the articles of above mentioned page but recently i submitted and it was declined again, citing a reason of not a realiable source please kindly look into my article and help me out as i am a begineer. thank you. BVECJordan (talk) 17:32, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

BVECJordan I fixed your link(it lacked the "Draft:"). The draft must do more than document the existence of the college and tell its offerings. It must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage choose to say about it, showing how it meets WP:ORG. 331dot (talk) 18:03, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
ok sir thank you
Can U please tell me more clearly as I did not understand sir
Thank you BVECJordan (talk) 18:27, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
BVECJordan Wikipedia wants to know what others say about the college and what they say makes important- what we call notability(please click to read). Be advised that writing a new article is the most difficult thing to do here. We usually suggest that new users first edit existing articles about topics that they like, to learn more about Wikipedia. You could also use the new user tutorial. 331dot (talk) 22:32, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

17:33, 4 December 2023 review of submission by Gatilic

Ok I understand what do you said, but just an ask, is the cites on the text reliable? Gatilic (talk) 17:33, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

All of references were to Wikipedia, which should not be used as a source. That's leaving aside that this unfortunate car accident does not merit an article, see WP:NOTNEWS. 331dot (talk) 17:54, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

18:11, 4 December 2023 review of submission by Gatilic

I revised everthing and I think i solved all the problems, please could someone check again? Gatilic (talk) 18:11, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's been rejected, it's like a news article, your only citations are Wikipedia. You need to move on. Cremastra (talk) 18:21, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

18:36, 4 December 2023 review of submission by AaliyahCarterMusic

Trying to get a Biography of a new artist on Wikipedia. What needs to be changed?

-Ryan Russell AaliyahCarterMusic (talk) 18:36, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@AaliyahCarterMusic: The article has a promotional tone and no reliable sources are cited. Furthermore, it is likely that the subject (you) of the article is not notable. To be notable, a subject needs significant, in-depth, 3rd-party coverage, and you have no coverage. It is highly unlikely the article will be published without you gaining more fame and coverage. I'd recommend reading WP:AUTO for more info. Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)My Talk Page 18:57, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]


December 5

00:30, 5 December 2023 review of submission by Guigo82

Hi,

I've provided several links of the term being used in Brazil across the board, to show how it has become part of the soccer culture. I would like to understand why my submission is being denied if the theme is relevant and part of pop culture?

Cheers,

Guilherme Guigo82 (talk) 00:30, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Guigo82, KylieTastic wrote an explanation for you. Is there something you don't understand about that explanation? "Relevant and part of pop culture" isn't the issue. -- asilvering (talk) 01:48, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

00:30, 5 December 2023 review of submission by Adrain72

Look I'm just a newbie trying to create new articles. The editors or administrators shouldn't be so strict and mean as to reject my draft outright ! Theycould just accept the draft and let others who are more experienced than I am to improve on it ! Adrain72 (talk) 00:30, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That's not how this process works. No one has been mean to you. The draft does not need to be complete, but it need to meet the bare minimum standards of notability. The draft does little more than document the existence of the business and is only sourced to its own website. It does not summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage choose to say about it, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable business. 331dot (talk) 01:14, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Could the draft article be reopened for resubmission then? Adrain72 (talk) 01:27, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have three independent reliable sources that chose to write about this business and describe how it is a notable business? These should not be brief mentions, the company website, staff interviews, press releases, or announcements of activities. Are you associated with this business? 331dot (talk) 01:35, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No, I'm not associated with the business but I have a free email account with them. Adrain72 (talk) 01:44, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Also do I need to request for the draft article to be reopened for resubmission?
If so, how is the process? Adrain72 (talk) 01:49, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

00:48, 5 December 2023 review of submission by Sirdvd12

This article was rejected for a second time. Someone else originally created this, and I took over as he had done a terrible job. We only included facts about the school with citations to the membership pages of the organizations. Furthermore, we are not sure how we could make the information more reliable.

Thank you Sirdvd12 (talk) 00:48, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This draft just documents the existence of the school. Wikipedia articles must do more, they muat summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen to say about it and what makes it a notable organization. 331dot (talk) 01:10, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you @331dot for your time to explain. I am relatively new to editing and this is my first page submission. I will sit down again and add more notability to the article before we resubmit. Thanks for your effort. Sirdvd12 (talk) 03:31, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

04:38, 5 December 2023 review of submission by 202.165.235.85

Again Request the Wikipedia team 202.165.235.85 (talk) 04:38, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Remember to log in when posting. You don't ask what help you are seeking, but the draft has been rejected after numerous declines, meaning that it will not be considered further- and it has been furthermore nominated for deletion. 331dot (talk) 09:31, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

06:50, 5 December 2023 review of submission by Devtanuku

my article was get Submission declined, need help to do best Devtanuku (talk) 06:50, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Devtanuku What is your relationship with this person, since you took a picture of her and she posed for you?
It looks like you wrote the article text as references, you need to fix the reference formatting so that the article text appears in the main body. See Referencing for beginners to learn more about referencing. You will also need to show that this actress meets the definition of a notable actress. 331dot (talk) 09:34, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

07:33, 5 December 2023 review of submission by 175.107.11.206

I want to write the whole article from strach following the wikipedia guidelines. Please guide me what to do now 175.107.11.206 (talk) 07:33, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Remember to log in when posting(if you are the original creator of the draft). If you are, you seem particularly invested in this draft, do you have a connection to this subject?
The draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. This topic was also considered in a deletion discussion and deleted when it was in article space- you have a high bar to meet to overcome these things, and it seems unlikely that something has fundamentally changed in the last 24 hours enough to at least reverse the rejection. Otherwise, it wouldn't have been rejected. However, if something has fundamentally changed, like new sources not considered by the reviewer, the first step is to appeal to the last reviewer directly. 331dot (talk) 09:38, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

07:39, 5 December 2023 review of submission by Karchive23

This company is pretty well known in its home country (Singapore) but mostly through word of mouth and through reviews for its shows. However, because it is a company founded in 1990 there isn't a solid track record of the company that I can personally find to meet Wiki's notability guidelines. All I have been finding are reviews with one website that dates pretty far back and another is a Fandom site covering all the gay theatre shows in Singapore. It also doesn't help that they've changed their name but I could not find a reason behind it. Any advice or someone that could help would be great as I think this company does warrant an article, just that I'm not experienced enough to go about this. Thanks! Karchive23 (talk) 07:39, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Karchive23 If you cannot find enough sources to summarize in an article and show notability as an organization, this organization does not merit an article at this time- no amount of editing can confer notability on a topic- it depends on the sources. Sources do not need to be online, but they do need to be somewhere that they can be verified, like a book in a library. Word of mouth is not acceptable.
Fandom is not an acceptable source as it is user-editable(like Wikipedia). 331dot (talk) 09:41, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

10:05, 5 December 2023 review of submission by Z4r4$m1th123

My submission has been declined. I have removed sources that are not independent and have now cited some more sources, which I believed is what was wrong with it previously. I have used news stories published about the company as my sources throughout - are these valid? Z4r4$m1th123 (talk) 10:05, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Z4r4$m1th123 Most of your sources seem to tell of the routine activities of the company; not significant coverage of the company that tells what makes it important/signficant/influential as a company- what we term the definition of a notable company.
You declared a conflict of interest with regards to this company, what is the general nature of it? 331dot (talk) 10:20, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

10:27, 5 December 2023 review of submission by Christopher W Gleason

Can i post this article under the creative section of wikipedia? if so how do I categorize this article? Christopher W Gleason (talk) 10:27, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Christopher W Gleason This draft is written in a promotional tone more like an essay and is completely unsourced. Wikipedia article writing is different from other forms of writing- an article must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage choose on their own to say about the topic, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability.
I'm not sure what you mean by the "creative section"; if you were to place this draft in the encyclopedia yourself, it would quickly be nominated for deletion, or at best moved back to draft space, so I would advise you against moving it. 331dot (talk) 10:34, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Laughably non neutral tone... once-majestic, steeped in the history, the robustness of, former glory, audacious teenagers have imprinted their presence, As the sun cast its warm glow on the Embrey Power Station, etc. etc. Theroadislong (talk) 10:46, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

13:15, 5 December 2023 review of submission by Dengulligahunden

Hey! I am a reporter at Swedens biggest channel. What could I do next time? 

Dengulligahunden (talk) 13:15, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Dengulligahunden Read HELP:YFA before starting to write, perhaps. Then find references. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 13:35, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Dengulligahunden it's clearly been written by ChatGPT. One would hope a reporter at "Sweden's biggest channel" would be able to write their own copy with relevant sources? Qcne (talk) 14:20, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

14:50, 5 December 2023 review of submission by Barkingbovine1

Hi, my article submission has been declined because it does not show significant coverage and it reads like an advertisement. A reviewer mentioned that Forbes lists are puffery, so I've removed that now, but I've linked several sources where Mardini has done interviews about himself and of course his role as CEO of Jetex. I've also tried to keep the tone neutral and factual. I also tried to compare my article to other similar Wiki bio pages to see how I can improve it in terms of style, format, so I checked the names under "Category:Saudi Arabian chief executives page" for example on how one is deemed notable by Wikipedia standards, and I believe the article has enough coverage for notability. Any help/ feedback would be appreciated regarding notability and neutral point of view. Barkingbovine1 (talk) 14:50, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Barkingbovine1 Interviews with the subject are primary sources. See WP:PRIMARY for what is and is not acceptable.
Unfortunately WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS shows that we have more poor articles than we have editors to police them. No precedent is ever set by any article for any other. If it were we would have a brutally fast descent into idiocracy
Your draft must stand or fail on its own merits. CEO is a "life role" but by no means is it a ticket to a Wikipedia article. Outside being a CEO something non WP:ROTM must be attributable to the subject. I was a CEO once, and there is no article on me, nor do I merit one. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 15:09, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

15:43, 5 December 2023 review of submission by Dmwiki27

Hi, how can I improve my article and get accepted? Dmwiki27 (talk) 15:43, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dmwiki27 Rejection means that there is nothing that you can do, as no amount of editing can confer notability on a topic. If something fundamentally changes about this topic, like new sources that the reviewer did not consider, the first step is to appeal to the last reviewer directly.
This is the only topic you have edited about. Do you work for this company? 331dot (talk) 15:46, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! 57.135.129.34 (talk) 15:51, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Remember to log in when posting. 331dot (talk) 15:53, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

15:56, 5 December 2023 review of submission by Santanu Puzari

I would like to know why my page has not been publish in wikipedia. Santanu Puzari (talk) 15:56, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Santanu Puzari I fixed your post to provide a link to your draft. You have not submitted it for a review, I will shortly add the appropriate information so you can do so.
You will also need to discuss your connection to this person(since you took a picture of him and he posed for you). Please see WP:COI and WP:PAID. 331dot (talk) 16:01, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Santanu Puzari: presumably you mean  Courtesy link: User:Santanu Puzari/sandbox? The primary reason why that hasn't been accepted is that you haven't even submitted it. Having said which, if you were to submit it, it still wouldn't be accepted, as it's mostly unreferenced, promotional, and provides no evidence of notability. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:01, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Most local party officials do not meet the definition of a notable person. Do independent reliable sources state that he has been particularly influential in the party, either on its policies or the activities of the party? That's what we are looking for, not a mere description of him. 331dot (talk) 16:03, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I misunderstood; you seem to be writing about yourself. While not forbidden, this is highly discouraged, please read the autobiography policy. Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell about themselves. 331dot (talk) 16:05, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
no i am not writing about myself.Its a person from BJP party in Assam Santanu Puzari (talk) 16:06, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Then you must change your username immediately- please go to Special:GlobalRenameRequest or WP:CHUS to make a username change request. You cannot use his name as your username unless you are him. Please answer my inquiry regarding the photo, did you take the image? 331dot (talk) 16:08, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No i did not take the photo he has send the photo through whatsapp Santanu Puzari (talk) 16:10, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The photo may not be his to give you, typically the photographer holds the copyright of an image. If it is his to give you, and he included a release permitting reuse of the image for any purpose with attribution, you will need to follow the instructions at donating copyrighted materials.
Note that images are not relevant to the draft approval process, which only considers the text and sources. Images can wait until the draft is accepted- my advice is that you remove the image and deal with it later, so you can focus on the draft. You will need to show significant coverage in independent reliable sources showing that he is a notable person. Most local party officials are not, unless it can be shown that they are particularly influential. 331dot (talk) 16:15, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

17:01, 5 December 2023 review of submission by MikeTimesONE

Where can I ask to delete this draft? I just found out someone already made a page for the game, so I no longer want to work on it. MikeTimesONE 17:01, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@MikeTimesONE You can request a speedy deletion under criteria G7 or if you feel like there is content that can be put into that article, you can merge content. Kline • talk to me! • contribs 18:10, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

17:05, 5 December 2023 review of submission by Danielromeroprobstmcswain

Hi, I am trying to understand what else can be done to this article in order for it to post? I have made the edits and added citations noted by the reviewer, but it has now been multiple days without a response and I don’t know how to move forward. Any help appreciated. Danielromeroprobstmcswain (talk) 17:05, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

17:12, 5 December 2023 review of submission by Clamar4409

I asked for a review of a submission article but the reviewer simply said he didn't believe my assertion, even while the citations (notable national newspapers in the country) made it clear. Do reviewers have limitations of multilingual posts? Should I take this into consideration when submitting an article that references information in Spanish? Clamar4409 (talk) 17:12, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Clamar4409: do you mean  Courtesy link: Draft:Jorge Solan? This draft was declined for lack of evident notability. On what basis are you challenging that? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:54, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@DoubleGrazing The citation makes clear that the individual is indeed the new president of the club. ie. What the reviewer told me he didn't find believable. The Other club presidents in the league all seem to be notable enough, shouldn't he be? Clamar4409 (talk) 17:58, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Clamar4409: being president of a country makes one inherently notable; being president of a club does not. The sources do not meet the WP:GNG standard for notability. Therefore the draft was correctly declined. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 18:00, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
OK. So if I edit to include additional and more valid sources and his additional business impact or the nation of Costa Rica, being that he is the owner and manger of the main transportation hubs for the entire contry, does that make him relevant enough?
I'm not trying to be snippy it is just frustrating as hell. Clamar4409 (talk) 18:06, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Clamar4409: without seeing whatever additional sources you're thinking of, I can't say whether they would be enough to establish notability (if that's what you mean by "relevant enough"), except to say that so far it is the sources which are letting down this draft. My advice is to carefully read and understand the WP:GNG guideline, so that you know exactly what we're looking for. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 18:28, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

17:49, 5 December 2023 review of submission by TerrionTavious

researching youtubers TerrionTavious (talk) 17:49, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@TerrionTavious: that's not a question, and your draft isn't a viable article draft. What did you want to ask? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:52, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

19:03, 5 December 2023 review of submission by Suctioncupman2024

why is this against the purpose of wiki 

Suctioncupman2024 (talk) 19:03, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Suctioncupman2024: I think you know already, but basically because Wikipedia is not for things made up one day. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:07, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

19:24, 5 December 2023 review of submission by Lsrgsrd

I got article translaton declined, because "Please cite your sources using footnotes." but what parts of article i have to source - could you explain? Lsrgsrd (talk) 19:24, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Lsrgsrd Do you mean  Courtesy link: Draft:Sebastian Mikołajczak? The draft was declined due to a lack of inline citations in the article. For some help on this, see WP:MINREF and WP:ILC. Kline • talk to me! • contribs 21:56, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

20:31, 5 December 2023 review of submission by 185.75.226.96

So why someone does not add those info you guys ask about and use as a reason to refuse the submission?

You can make a simple Google search for "Karzan Kardozi" in English for for "کارزان کاردۆزی" in Kurdish to find dozens of references and verification that this is an actual person, a Kurdish filmmakers and writer that so should have its page here on Wiki. I don't understand why so many Kurdish filmmakers and writers are denied to have their page? Real people, while there are millions of pages of fictional characters from books, movies, comic books, etc.

Why are these people censored? Because they are Kurdish? 185.75.226.96 (talk) 20:31, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Accusations of racism aren't going to help you with this. Race has nothing to do with this. The draft was rejected after several declines because this subject lacks the coverage needed to merit an article. That's it. Rejection means that it will not be considered further. If something fundamentally changes about this topic, such as new sources the reviewer did not consider, the first step is to appeal to the last reviewer. 331dot (talk) 09:42, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

21:53, 5 December 2023 review of submission by Victor Giarola

Wikipedia make this draft to an article please 

Victor Giarola (talk) 21:53, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Zero chance, not notable. Theroadislong (talk) 22:00, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Don't beg or ask for your article to be approved, it is a waste of time for the editors to look at your post Jrmango (talk) 02:54, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

December 6

02:51, 6 December 2023 review of submission by Jrmango

Anybody have any notable sources for this one? Jrmango (talk) 02:51, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's rejected. The decision is final. Please let this go. — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:36, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

05:19, 6 December 2023 review of submission by Udith Perera

I added information to this account Udith Perera (talk) 05:19, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Is this information not enough? Help create this profile Udith Perera (talk) 05:33, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Udith Perera We don't have profiles here, not a single one. Wikipedia has articles or in this case a draft article. Your draft was deleted as blatant promotion. It was sourced to nothing but sources associated with the subject and used much promotional language(" An Excellent Radio and Television Announcer"). Please read some of the guidance left on your user talk page, as well as Your First Article
If you work for this person, the Terms of Use require that to be disclosed, please see WP:PAID. 331dot (talk) 09:39, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I do not receive any payment for this.  I am setting up this Wikipedia page as a tribute to that person's service. Udith Perera (talk) 10:13, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
We don't do "tributes". Our only interest is in summarizing what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a person, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. If you want to make a tribute for someone, that is precisely something social media or a personal website are for.
You didn't pick this person at random to edit about. How did you come to edit about them? 331dot (talk) 10:20, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

10:01, 6 December 2023 review of submission by Lowty.next up

why has my article have been rejected Lowty.next up (talk) 10:01, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Lowty.next up: because there is no evidence that you are notable by Wikipedia standards, and because Wikipedia is not a place to tell the world about yourself; you should try some social media or blogging platform instead. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:04, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

11:41, 6 December 2023 review of submission by JennaHTN

Hi I hope you're fine. I am contacting you because my submission is refused because there are apparently missing sources, to be honest I don't understand because there are 7 sources, including more than 4 articles generally in French since the subject comes from this country but also articles from other countries, such as Italy and the United Kingdom. I looked at the rules concerning the sources there is no link with the subject, these are sources whose subject is the center and there are several articles which are distributed in different countries, so I do not see why is it refused? An article is evolving, it may not be perfect but there are sources on the subject, we could publish by putting a banner asking to add sources so that other contributors who may have information can add. Otherwise any help and advice and welcome. Thanks JennaHTN (talk) 11:41, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

JennaHTN sources cannot be just anything; they must be reliable, independent, and in-depth. Read the comment that the reviewer left you. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 14:10, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Sungodtemple , thank you for your reply. If I understand correctly, you need sources from bigger newspapers? Or is it something else? If you have any advice to give me, I'm listening. JennaHTN (talk) 15:58, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Your draft contains irrelevant fan cruft and is VERY poorly sourced, Soundcloud, YouTube, audiomack.com, ZephyrMusic and Instagram are not reliable independent sources. Theroadislong (talk) 16:26, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've edited a lot of music articles, so the first question I'll ask is - what national chart hits has this artist had? If the answer is "none", then Wikipedia should probably not have an article about them. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:01, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

16:33, 6 December 2023 review of submission by Bastianhilton

I'm reaching out with question as to why an article about a headless content management system is deleted and yet so many others such as Wordpress, Drupal, etc is still up and running? Bastianhilton (talk) 16:33, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bastianhilton Please see other stuff exists. The existence of other articles has no bearing on your draft, which is a clear advertisement. An article about this system was previously deleted(Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Directus) so that reasoning will need to be overcome as well. 331dot (talk) 16:41, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

18:01, 6 December 2023 review of submission by 208.81.6.210

Hello there, I am looking for some pointers on how to better edit my article to have a neutral point of view. If any experienced editors have some specific feedback to give to help me improve my draft and make it more suitable for Wikipedia's main page area I would really appreciate it.

I understand too if this question is vague. I'll do my best to provide more specific things to give feedback on if necessary. 208.81.6.210 (talk) 18:01, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral point of view is not the only issue; you need to show that the company meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. Merely describing its productions is insufficient, especially as none of them have English Wikipedia articles(but even if they did, it would be possible for a production to be notable but not the company producing it). 331dot (talk) 18:18, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

18:46, 6 December 2023 review of submission by Leherdzi

do all my references need to be independent from the subject because the syndrome i am writing about is so new all the information i found is from the research group that discovered it Leherdzi (talk) 18:46, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That is a VERY strong indication that it maybe too soon for us to have an article. Theroadislong (talk) 18:51, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

19:42, 6 December 2023 review of submission by Jamesgrover247

I already added all the info which is required. I am not sure why the article is been declined. Jamesgrover247 (talk) 19:42, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jamesgrover247 It was not only declined, it was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. The reviewer left the reason, "This topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia.". Your draft was completely unsourced and reads like a resume. Please see Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 19:45, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Left 'm my User:deepfriedokra/del, but alas, already blocked. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 21:11, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

20:51, 6 December 2023 review of submission by Gyphon

Page has been updated. How to resubmit? Gyphon (talk) 20:51, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rejection means that resubmission is not possible. Your draft is exclusively sourced to social media and its own website- an article must summarize independent reliable sources, not what a subject says about itself. 331dot (talk) 20:55, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

21:04, 6 December 2023 review of submission by DaringDonna

Hi. I recently submitted my draft for publishing, but I am not so surprised or disappointed that it was rejected. But I will tell you my problem. I started out just thinking that I would translate the Hebrew article into English, but then it turned into a HUGE project. I wonder if there is a way to get a few more editors involved, so creating an English version is not entirely my responsibility. I think it is clear that this important book by a Nobel Prize winner should have a page in English, but the work needed to get it to a decent state seems too much for me to do on my own. What do you suggest I do? Thanks so much. DaringDonna (talk) 21:04, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @DaringDonna It is largely up to the creator to provide sufficient sources, etc. to meet the notability criteria and there does not appear to be any active WikiProject about Jewish culture or history otherwise I would suggest seeking guidance at one of them. I think if you can significantly trim to the plot down to 750 words and focus more on what others said about the book that would go a long way and citing the book itself is not helpful. He may be a Nobel Prize winner but that does not automatically make his all of his work notable. Take a look at the notability guidelines for books. Perhaps the draft meets the guideline but is buried (i.e. simplify, you only need to meet the guideline). S0091 (talk) 21:33, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

21:21, 6 December 2023 review of submission by Sylvan1971

I have edited this article substantially since its rejection last May. Recently, an editor has, on my talk page (S0091 (talk) 21:38, 25 November 2023 (UTC)), validated the notability of this subject. What is the process for removing the STOP sign and moving this article forward? Thank you. Sylvan1971 (talk) 21:21, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Typically, the first step is to appeal to the last reviewer directly. 331dot (talk) 21:43, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This is now twice @Sylvan1971 has asked this same question here (see WT:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk#16:59, 1 December 2023 review of submission by Sylvan1971) and have received the same response. Per a discussion on their talk page they state they do have a COI with at least one other article, There is a COI with respect to another article I am editing and I will address that separately. but they haven't. I am not interested in engaging with someone who states they will address a COI and fails to do so. S0091 (talk) 21:58, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your reply. I asked for help again because, for the second consecutive time, you did not reply to my reply to you. Most recently, on 12/1, you asked me to confiirm no COI to the subject of DRAFT:BRUCE RYAN, which I confirmed. (By the way, I am not aware, when submitting articles, of a duty to affirm there is no COI.)
Each article must be evaluated on its own merit. As you noted, I have acknowledged a COI on another article I am working on and written that I will appropriately elaborate on it before resubmitting it.
The courtesy of a reply is appreciated. Thanks again. Sylvan1971 (talk) 23:35, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sylvan1971 if you are absolutely sure of its notability you can move it directly into article space using the Tools -> Move button. It will then be reviewed by a new page reviewer. (Note that it can still be deleted via Articles for Deletion).
The other option is to resubmit; the first step is asking the declining reviewer. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 02:36, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Appreciate your response. Out of respect for the most recent reviewer (who agrees the subject is notable) I will continue to try to work with them before trying those options. Thank you. Sylvan1971 (talk) 16:10, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

22:47, 6 December 2023 review of submission by CarnivalSorts

Have received a warning that a different Liam McCarthy page already exists. Is there any way in the draft process I can change the title to e.g. Liam McCarthy (Irish cricketer)? CarnivalSorts (talk) 22:47, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

CarnivalSorts the article is currently in draft space, for articles that are in the process of being developed. If it is accepted via Articles for Creation, then it will be moved by the reviewer to "main" space, where articles are located. The reviewer will handle the page title for you. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 02:31, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]


December 7

00:26, 7 December 2023 review of submission by LouieLumber

I'm confused, this person has White House press releases, Public Radio interviews, and has written laws signed by the Governor of Illinois.

What sources would be best to reference? Any help is appreciated! This is my first real article!

Thank you! LouieLumber (talk) 00:26, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

LouieLumber, you may want to read WP:42 - which explains the standard for sources that confer notability. Essentially, you want 2-3 sources that are in-depth, reliable, and independent. For example, the first reference, a CBS article, is not in-depth, though it is reliable and probably independent. The second reference, the Illinois gov press release, is not in-depth nor independent, though it is reliable. Etc. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 02:29, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

04:20, 7 December 2023 review of submission by Gfs1234e

wiki page Gfs1234e (talk) 04:20, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Gfs1234e: that's not a question, and your draft isn't a viable article draft. What did you want to ask? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:11, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

07:48, 7 December 2023 review of submission by AnnaStoneG

Hi I recently edited this draft but my computer shut down. Is there any chance that you can see and send me the most recent version of this draft? I should be from yesterday or the day before that.

) AnnaStoneG (talk) 07:48, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@AnnaStoneG: We can't see anything unless you save it. The most recent revision is from November 25. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 07:57, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. Thank for answering so quickly :) AnnaStoneG (talk) 08:01, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

09:26, 7 December 2023 review of submission by Fine art at heart

Hi,

My article had been rejected, how can I clean up the copy so it is approved? Fine art at heart (talk) 09:26, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fine art at heart It was declined, not rejected. In the draft submission process, "rejected" has a specific meaning, that a draft may not be resubmitted. Declined means it may be resubmitted.
The draft has several unsourced sections, some of which are highly promotional(especially the background section). Your first two sources are this establishment itself, which cannot be used to establish notability, that requires significant coverage in independent reliable sources. The independent sources provided only briefly mention this business, and one is an interview with its personnel, which is not independent. 331dot (talk) 09:34, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have now rejected the draft, it is blatant advertising, with zero indication of notability and you have not declared your paid status despite repeated requests. Theroadislong (talk) 10:00, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I was about to delete this draft per G11 but admin conflicted with Seraphimblade. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:52, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

10:58, 7 December 2023 review of submission by Chris Mkhize

I am a musician and a film director and I need my page approved to be more credible Chris Mkhize (talk) 10:58, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Mkhize Wikipedia has no interest in aiding your career; Wikipedia cannot control if third parties use Wikipedia to confer credibility(they shouldn't). You only merit an article if you meet our criteria. See WP:AUTO and WP:PROUD. 331dot (talk) 11:02, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

12:22, 7 December 2023 review of submission by Jazzmonke

Hi, could you please tell me exactly why my article was not approved? is it because it is too long for an amateur artist? Please, I worked hard for this, tell me what i need to do to get this published. thanks alot Jazzmonke (talk) 12:22, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Jazzmonke: it's written in a promotional, non-encyclopaedic language; expressions like "captivating", "innate passion", "trajectory defined by unwavering dedication and artistic innovation", etc. are suitable for marketing collateral, but not for an encyclopaedia. Your job should be merely to describe, not promote, the subject. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:34, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Text such as "Andy Penkow a multifaceted singer-songwriter with a captivating blend of country, Americana, alternative, and contemporary music, has emerged as a prominent figure in Australia's music landscape. Renowned for his evocative lyrics, soulful compositions, and distinctive vocal prowess, Penkow's musical journey spans an array of achievements, accolades, and chart-topping singles, solidifying his status as a revered artist within the Australian country music scene" is completely inappropriate prose for an encyclopedia article. Our essay on puffery has further information. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:36, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

13:39, 7 December 2023 review of submission by Abayan leo

Resubmission made after proper addition of citation. But targeted declining was made Abayan leo (talk) 13:39, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Resubmitted with zero improvement (Times of India is not a reliable source) now rejected so will not be considered further. Theroadislong (talk) 14:04, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

14:53, 7 December 2023 review of submission by Science and such

A draft article has been (re)submitted because the first reviewer stated that the sources were not notable. Making careful use of Wikipedia notability guidelines, the following sources were added. Note: these are all stories whereby the subject of the article is the main featured subject: The New York Times The New York Times Magazine The New Yorker The Guardian The Telegraph The Times

This feedback was then returned: Unfortunately the approach taken since the first review has been to add unsourced material which is not notable. This does not help. For instance, being a research associate is certainly not notable.

ref.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Merlin_Sheldrake

So the question is: why are these sources (which are a small selection of the total) not notable?

Thank you 

Science and such (talk) 14:53, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Science and such, in order to count towards notability, sources must be reliable, independent, and in-depth. As such, any articles written by Sheldrake would not count, for example refs #6, #7, and #15, because they are not independent. Similarly, articles like refs #12 and #13 do not count, since they do not go into depth on Sheldrake. Etc. What are the three best sources that you have in the draft, according to these guidelines? Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 15:01, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, to answer your question, the three "best" sources (most reputable?) according to these guidelines:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/08/magazine/merlin-sheldrake-fungi.html
https://www.newyorker.com/tech/annals-of-technology/the-secrets-of-the-wood-wide-web
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/entangled-life-how-fungi-make-our-worlds-change-our-minds-and-shape-our-futures-merlin-sheldrake-review-8b9f3k65q Science and such (talk) 15:12, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Sungodtemplean additional reference to answer your question:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/07/27/climate/climate-change-fungi.html Science and such (talk) 15:51, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The first one is a high-quality reference. The second one has too much interview to really count, maybe half a reference. The fourth one is only tangentially about Sheldrake and doesn't count. The third one is paywalled, so I cannot exactly tell, but based on the title, a book review, it might or might not count, based on the amount of author background it gives. If I were an Articles for Creation reviewer, I would decline the draft, but only barely. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 16:33, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Science and such: there's no such thing as 'notable sources'; notability is an attribute of the subject, not of the sources. You usually need to produce certain quality and quantity of sources to demonstrate notability, and in so doing some sources are 'better' then others (say, The Guardian trumps The Express, etc.). But even then, what the source says is just as important as what the source is. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:01, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your response(s).
Clear.
However, there are entire articles from notable sources which focus solely on the subject.
reference 4 is a complete article in The New Yorker solely about the subject
reference 8 is an entire piece in The New York Times Magazine entitled:
The Man Who Turned the World on to the Genius of Fungihttps://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/08/magazine/merlin-sheldrake-fungi.html
which is dedicated entirely to the subject at hand
reference 2 is from The Times and is a review solely addressing the subject's notability and expertise
I fail to see how these sources/ references do not qualify as Notable. Science and such (talk) 15:09, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Question:
If I do not agree with the reviewer. I other words if I contend that these sources: The New York Times, The New York Times Magazine, The Times, and The New Yorker are reliable, independent, and in-depth, what is the next step? Science and such (talk) 15:47, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
SUMMARY:
The Reviewer submitted this comment:
Declining submission: bio - Submission is about a person not yet shown to meet notability guidelines and v - Submission is improperly sourced
However the person who is the subject of the article is the sole focus of multiple articles taken directly from the Wikipedia Notability guidelines for sources (generally reliable perennial sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#Sources)
The sources (partial list) are:
1. The New York Times
2. The New York Times Magazine
3. The New Yorker
4. The Times
5. Time
Conclusion: these sources should adequately demonstrate that Notability guidelines are fulfilled by Reliable sources.
Question: is the (main) objection that a number of the articles referenced are written by the person who is the subject of the draft? There are also a number of academic research papers cited which were (also) written by the subject of the (draft) article.
Request: will the reviewer please address the issue of Notability taking these points into account?
Thank you Science and such (talk) 16:25, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Ldm1954 Science and such (talk) 16:27, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Science and such: I don't think it's quite as clear-cut as you suggest; refs 2 and 4 are not really about the person, other than indirectly perhaps, although I agree that ref 8 certainly is. Without having done a thorough source analysis, I'd say this is probably borderline, in what comes to WP:GNG notability. Whether it would have a better chance of meeting some special notability (WP:AUTHOR, WP:NACADEMIC?), I don't yet know.
In the meantime, there are a lot of other issues that need addressing, and I would suggest that you get on with those; they have been flagged up in the comments and with inline tags.
Also, what is your relationship with the subject? I've posted a COI query on your talk page; please read and action as relevant. Thanks, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:56, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

17:03, 7 December 2023 review of submission by Mmalmborg30

Trying to figure out which specific part did not have sources? I included sources for all information. Mmalmborg30 (talk) 17:03, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Mmalmborg30 To start, you have an incomplete section in the draft, the sources need to be reliable, and independent of the subject matter. Also, the sources need to go in depth about the subject. Also, see the comment on the draft for more info. Seawolf35 T--C 17:08, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I believe I have it fixed now Mmalmborg30 (talk) 18:24, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

18:15, 7 December 2023 review of submission by Rodeco

Why was it declined? Everything I said was factual Rodeco (talk) 18:15, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You cited no reliable sources and state M-1500 does not exist. S0091 (talk) 22:05, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

19:33, 7 December 2023 review of submission by Visaru

Hello! I am trying to publish this new article and have been told that it does not meet Wikipedia's notability requirements. From my understanding of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(academics), the article does meet two notability criteria for academics: “The person has received a highly prestigious academic award or honor at a national or international level” and “The person has held a named chair appointment or "Distinguished Professor" appointment at a major institution of higher education and research”. The sources I found for both of these are press releases, which to my understanding should count, since the guidelines say, “For documenting that a person has held such an appointment (but not for a judgement of whether or not the institution is a major one), publications of the appointing institution are considered a reliable source.” Could you help me understand why it doesn't meet the requirements? Do I need additional sources proving the notability of CUNY and The Fulbright program? Thanks! Visaru (talk) 19:33, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Visaru I accepted the draft. S0091 (talk) 22:11, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

20:18, 7 December 2023 review of submission by Elainekmixa

the page was refused for creation however, I have found wiki pages with businesses similar to TMS Digital in which the sources are skewed. Why can't a local company have a wikipedia page? why does it have to be a billion dollar company in order to have a wikipedia page? TMS Digital, (originally Tarheel Publishing) is Johnston County, NC's oldest privately owned advertising company. That should stand for something. Elainekmixa (talk) 20:18, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Elainekmixa read WP:NCORP thoroughly. S0091 (talk) 20:48, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Elainekmixa Wikipedia is not a business directory of businesses that exist. There are criteria for inclusion(the aforementioned WP:NCORP). Being a "billion dollar company" is not one of the criteria.
See other stuff exists. These other articles(not "pages", which has a broader meaning) you have seen may also be inappropriate, and just not addressed yet, and you would be unaware of this. If you want to to use other articles as a model, use those that are classified as good articles. 331dot (talk) 01:24, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have independent reliable sources that discuss the importance of being the oldest advertising company in a particular county? There are thousands of counties in the United States. 331dot (talk) 01:26, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Your draft is in your sandbox, so I fixed your link. 331dot (talk) 01:29, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

22:31, 7 December 2023 review of submission by Manushvalo

How can I re-submit this as an article? Please help, thanks. Manushvalo (talk) 22:31, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Manushvalo you can click the blue resubmit button in the decline message but it will just be declined as you have cited no sources and nothing suggests the subject meets WP:NPOL or WP:NBIO. Most of it seems to be about father which is useless. S0091 (talk) 22:38, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

22:49, 7 December 2023 review of submission by 2601:18E:C380:7E0:75AA:4BA5:BF7:70A8

I wonder why a "a semi-active Indian Wikipedian" is qualified to reject an entry on a Canadian/American engineer who was a pioneer in computer design and has contributed significantly to the success of US national as well as international oceanographic research (see lists of Webb's awards and patents). Perhaps someone can advise on what the draft is missing. Does it need more references? a list of Webb's publications? Please help! 2601:18E:C380:7E0:75AA:4BA5:BF7:70A8 (talk) 22:49, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Because they understand our guidelines and policies on WP:N, WP:V, and WP:ANYBIO. These guidelines have zero to do with locality of the subject. So I would recommend you read their advice and the links in my reply to better understand what is required. This approach above will not gain you any support here. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 23:14, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]


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01:14, 8 December 2023 review of submission by Faaksee

Hi, I cited numerous sources including national and regional news outlets and the article was still declined. Faaksee (talk) 01:14, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The sources do not hace significant coverage of the league. As the last reviewer said, see WP:SIGCOV. 331dot (talk) 01:18, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

02:09, 8 December 2023 review of submission by Gfs1234e

we need more pages Gfs1234e (talk) 02:09, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Gfs1234e: What's your question? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 06:22, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

02:30, 8 December 2023 review of submission by 64.38.183.36

I don’t know how to make this notable enough to get my page accepted, I only need it for my website to show information and to send to people when they ask questions in my community server. 64.38.183.36 (talk) 02:30, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@64.38.183.36: If it's not notable (which this doesn't appear to be) there's nothing you can do unfortunately. Try another wiki or blogsite perhaps. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 06:23, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

04:08, 8 December 2023 review of submission by Thejus G Zachariah

How can I post a Wiki article about a brand? Thejus G Zachariah (talk) 04:08, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Thejus G Zachariah: Wikipedia subjects need in-depth coverage (full-length articles, not just passing mentions) in usually at least 3 reliable sources that are not written by or affiliated with the subject. Also, if you have a conflict of interest you should declare it on your userpage. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 06:25, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

05:38, 8 December 2023 review of submission by KizzWRLD

I don’t know what exactly to use as draft title KizzWRLD (talk) 05:38, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@KizzWRLD: Is Draft:KizzWRLD not the correct title of your draft? Regardless, from a quick Google search, it is highly unlikely this is notable. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 06:27, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

06:33, 8 December 2023 review of submission by 31204V

How my article can be chanded to be accepted? 31204V (talk) 06:33, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@31204V: Wikipedia subjects need in-depth coverage (full-length articles, not just passing mentions) in usually at least 3 reliable sources that are not written by or affiliated with the subject. Your draft is written like an advertisement. Also, if you have a conflict of interest you should declare it on your userpage. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 06:38, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

10:22, 8 December 2023 review of submission by Dediggefedde

Hello! I tried to submit a draft, which is basically a translation of the German entry of Hans Geissel, which I also wrote together with Hans Geissel. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Geissel However, the english draft (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Hans_Geissel) was declined because of missing references.

In a response to a different question on this page, I saw the statement "in articles on living people (WP:BLP), every material statement, anything potentially contentious, and all private personal and family details must be clearly supported by inline citations to reliable published sources" (by DoubleGrazing). The lack of such citations at times is also the case for this article, so I understand the decision for declining.


First question: How can I provide citations for biographical events that were not mentioned in publications?

I am in personal contact with Hans Geissel, but I see myself challenged finding public, independent citation sources for his biography data. In general, it seems difficult to prove where someone worked, studied or which experiment they build if there is no newspaper about it.

For example, the "DPG research grant 1982" does not seem to appear in any publication. I also didn't find any publications confirming his date or location of birth, or that he supervises students since 1985. I could leave everything like that out, but since there aren't many publications in general, the article not contain much biographical information. However, since he is the world record holder for the discovery of more than 280 new isotopes and for his other achievements, he is notable in my opinion and a detailed wiki page would be justified.


Second question: Which information does actually need references in practice?

The reviewer didn't specify which information requires citation, so I tried to look at other articles for reference, but it looks a bit inconsistent:

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