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When to remove the Orphan Template

I have expanded an article to un-orphan another article. Does one connection suffice to remove the orphan warning template at the top, or should more be established? The previously orphaned article in question is SAP Anywhere ElizabethIsAlive (talk) 10:47, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

You can remove it if there is at least one link. By the way, you should probably add a citation to the addition you made to the other page just so the section and link don't get removed. HansVonStuttgart (talk) 11:18, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

@ElizabethIsAlive - "Once it has an incoming link from at least one article or list, the orphan tag can be removed (disambiguation pages, redirects and draft articles do not count)." Quoted from banner on one the monthly backlog categories. More info at Wikipedia:Orphan. Regards, JoeNMLC (talk) 18:02, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

But WP:ORPHAN also states: More colloquially, editors also sometimes use "orphan" to refer to pages that do not have as many incoming links as they ought to, even if they do not meet the technical definition for orphan status. The Banner talk 19:13, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

That's true, but it basically means one link needed, though Mrfoogles (talk) 20:35, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

^_@ 176.113.115.186 (talk) 17:58, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

I have a hypothetical questions about Freedom Caucus?

What If Freedom Caucus was a hypothetical European political party? would it belong to Identity and Democracy Party or European Conservatives and Reformists? If so, why do you think it would belong to the party. I am willing to hear your opinion and explanation why. 97.97.98.76 (talk) 06:18, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi! That's not really relevant to Wikipedia; we answer questions about Wikipedia here. If you have any questions relating to editing or other aspects of the project, that's the purpose of this page. Happy editing ... sawyer * he/they * talk 06:21, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

To be perfectly clear, speculation by editors is not permitted on Wikipedia. The role of Wikipedia editors is to summarize what reliable sources say. Nothing more and nothing less. Cullen328 (talk) 06:26, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, If I was going off topic. I was curious to sees, but I promise to stay on topic and uses Teahouse properly.  97.97.98.76 (talk) 06:48, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

If I have a hypothetical question, where should I go to? 174.135.36.220 (talk) 03:17, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Wait, why does anonymous numbers change every time? 174.135.36.220 (talk) 03:18, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

you're editing on an IP, which are reassigned periodically. as for your other question, you're welcome to ask hypothetical questions of that nature elsewhere on the internet, like Reddit, but you should keep things relevant to Wikipedia here. ... sawyer * he/they * talk 03:20, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

I understand, but I unfortunately have no reddit account and I want to hear if Freedom Caucus would belong to ID party or ECR party. 174.135.36.220 (talk) 03:29, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

you're not going to get an answer here ... sawyer * he/they * talk 03:31, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

You know what? I actually chose CER for Freedom Caucus. 

1. Both support economic freedom and limited government. 
2. Social Conservatism is also common with ECR like Brothers of Italy. 
3. Both support national identity. 
4. ECR and Freedom Caucus have devolution of power. 
5. Freedom Caucus and European Conservatives & Reformists also have right-wing populism like Law & Justice (Poland), JA21 (The Netherlands), Sweden Democrats (Sweden) and Vox (Spain).

So, therefore, it would be more likely to be European Conservatives & Reformist if Freedom Caucus were an European party. 174.135.36.220 (talk) 04:47, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Again, this isn't the place to ask this type of question. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 04:49, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Opps, sorry. 174.135.36.220 (talk) 05:06, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

What is the difference between liberalism and social liberalism as I noticed that some ideology has the same meaning that I removed them, ex. in Swiss People's Party, swiss nationalism, national conservatism and anti-immigration have the same meaning, so I removed these.  I was told that we have to keep Political Parties' articles simple in its template and ideologies. How do I carefully removed something from templates, so it will not get messed up.  174.135.36.220 (talk) 17:32, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

If you edit too much, can you get blocked for it since I am fixing some political party's article to make it simpler on template as some have same meaning or just too much. When is it too much? 

Thank you from 174.135.36.220 174.135.36.220 (talk) 21:40, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Notability of Dmytro Kushneruk

There seem to be enough references for WP:GNG in the lede of Dmytro Kushneruk. Could someone check, opine, and maybe remove the warning? Thx Trzb (talk) 04:13, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Trzb Six refs in the Lead to confirm he is a dipiomat is over-referencing. (Perhaps some of those can be moved to the section about the Russian invasion.) In general, government appointments (diplomats, government, military) are less likely to have Wikipedia-notable careers compared to elected. David notMD (talk) 10:14, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

@David notMD, thank you for your response. I don't disagree about moving the refs (and can make the changes when the main issue is addressed), but hope this in no way affects sufficient media coverage per WP:GPG. Not sure how Kushneruk's being appointed affects the interpretation of media coverage. Trzb (talk) 08:11, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

A spammer is vandalizing my pages

Hi, one of the spammer attacking personally on pages as he is deleting all my created pages whether they are notable enough and were reviewed by the other editors which means my pages were passed in the review process. The spammer continuously marking my pages for deletion. CharlesBNB (talk) 14:38, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

@CharlesBNB: Do you refer to User:Biruitorul? If not, then who? What evidence do you have that they are a spammer? Have you read WP:AGF? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:42, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Proposing deletion isn't vandalism. Wikipedia has a strict definition for that. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 14:46, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

CharlesBNB First, you have been asked on your Talk page whether any of the twelve drafts or direct-to-mainspace articles you have created since January are undeclared paid editing, and if so to declare on your User page. Second, while a number of your efforts at articles exist, most of the more recent ones have been nominated for deletion via AfD or Prod. That is neither vandalism nor spamming. David notMD (talk) 20:36, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @David notMD, thanks for the explanation. Only one of my article is a paid, could you please let me know that to declare it on my Talk page? Is there any format or procedure? CharlesBNB (talk) 21:09, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Right place is on your User page. See WP:PAID. Inside double curly brackets {{ }} put paid|employer=name of employer If you are paid by one organization on behalf of a client, use paid|employer=name of employer|client=name of client Giventhe challenge left on your Talk page, an additional reply there to the effect that you have one paid situation, but none of the other drafts or articles. Thank you for following up. Undeclared paid is a serious sin in Wikipedia world, potentially resulting on having one's account indefinitely blocked. David notMD (talk) 01:25, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

new article relevance?

hi! i just wrote my second article (Chernoh Alpha M. Bah) and i'm wondering if it's relevant enough to be approved. i personally think he meets the standards, but is there anything i can improve to help my chances? thanks. Gnat8 (talk) 19:21, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

In my observation i see something less.this article has lack of template infobox.this article is about a person.you can add "infobox" template by simply adding {{

Th.--KEmel49 (talk) 19:56, 13 April 2024 (UTC)is

@KEmel49: A draft lacking an infobox does not mean it is less readily accepted. Editors should focus on making sure the subject is wikinotable through reliable sources. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:58, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

{{ alone will not add an infobox. See, for example {{Infobox person}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:45, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

My submission was rejected

Hello,

I have been declined twice and I could use some help. Is there someone that helps to edit?

Vdolphinv (talk) 19:45, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. If this is regarding your sandbox, did you read the comments by reviewers? I'd also suggest that you look at other articles to get an idea of the style and structure being looked for; you may also want to see referencing for beginners. 331dot (talk) 19:51, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I have added a comment at User:Vdolphinv/sandbox.–CaroleHenson (talk) 23:41, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

I cut 40%. You need references for all facts. Delete all that you cannot reference. David notMD (talk) 01:49, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

The Four Tides

Hi,

When I give IP users {{subst:uw1}} and etc. warnings and the {{sharedipadvice}} on talk pages, I notice other editors generally add their signature (four tides) after the uw-warning and before the shared ip advice. However, when I do that in the source editor, after adding the four tides after the uw-warning, it still automatically shows another signature at the very bottom of the talk page message (auto-sign). Is there a way to fix this?

Thx,

Myrealnamm (💬talk · ✏️contribs) at 20:08, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

@Myrealnamm My suggestion is to use Wikipedia:Twinkle. It will automate the process and will automatically add your signature for you. ‍Relativity ⚡️ 20:20, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

@Myrealnamm: The automatic signing happens when you use the reply tool, called "Enable quick replying" and "Enable quick topic adding" at Special:Preferences § mw-prefsection-editing. Twinkle doesn't use the tool. It doesn't appear you can avoid an automatic signature at the end of the whole post if you use the tool. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:12, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Myrealnamm: The "~" character is a "tilde" (relevant if you search for it on our help pages). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:43, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Inappropriate content warning

I got this inappropriate content notification that says "Don't post inappropriate content" like I have never posted anything inappropriate, is there a way to fix this issue? Starixxgamerrix (talk) 21:48, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello. Which message are you referring to? Something on your user talk page? 331dot (talk) 21:53, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

I was looking at other wikis and found an Italian one, the Google translate thing turned on and it had set to English because I can't understand Italian very well. And I was just browsing and suddenly a message popped up saying "Don't post inappropriate content". On the Italian wiki talk page. Starixxgamerrix (talk) 22:03, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

@Starixxgamerrix: Welcome to the Teahouse! The people here at the English Wikipedia cannot make any changes on the Italian Wikipedia. The Italian Wikipedia doesn't seem to have their own Teahouse, but they have a Help Desk at it:Aiuto:Sportello informazioni. When I use Google Translate on that page because I don't understand Italian either, I see a message stating "Do not leave your email, telephone numbers, personal and/or sensitive data". It's not an accusation claiming I have done so, but a warning to prevent me from doing so. I hope the "Don't post inappropriate content" is also a warning. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 22:28, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

The whole thing looks a lot like an automated welcome message, really. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 22:37, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

@Starixxgamerrix: This Teahouse is for the English Wikipedia. Please always say if a post involves another wiki. it:User talk:Starixxgamerrix has an Italian standard welcome message which includes "Scrivi nuove voci o modifica quelle esistenti, ma non inserire contenuti inadatti." Google Translate says "Write new entries or edit existing ones, but don't post inappropriate content." It's about the future and not a comment on something you did. "inappropriate content" links to an Italian page about what not to put on Wikipedia. The message has been posted to more than 600,000 users at the Italian Wikipedia so I guess the wording is not considered controversial. If you wonder why the message came before you had edited then a local version of your account is automatically created at a wiki if you view any page while logged in, and some wikis send welcome messages to new accounts with no edits. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:24, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

I know but I forgot to put that thing that involves another wiki Starixxgamerrix (talk) 00:29, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Old Style and New Style dates

I have been working on the Josiah Bartlett article and all sources that I find - books, vital records, his gravestone - state that he was born on November 21, 1729. Bartlett's article says his date of birth is "December 2, 1729 [ O.S. November 21, 1729]".

Because December 2 isn't in anything I am finding, my gut reaction is to say that his date of birth is November 21, 1729 - and have an {{efn}} note that states that his date of birth is "December 2, 1729 [ O.S. November 21, 1729]". I don't know anything about this, would that be okay? Or, is there a better way to handle it?

Thanks so much. I have had several things that have popped up this past four weeks that I cannot sort out and have brought to the Teahouse and you have been amazing!–CaroleHenson (talk) 23:11, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi CaroleHenson. November 21, 1729 in the Julian calendar is December 2, 1729 in the Gregorian celandarcalendar. Josiah Bartlett was born in a place which switched from the Julian to the Gregorian calendar in 1752. Since it happened during his lifetime, I think it's OK to give both dates directly in the lead like now. It would be a little confusing to show his birth in one calendar and his death in another inside the same parentheses. His birth is written with {{OldStyleDateDY|December 2,|1729|November 21, 1729}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:56, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Okay, good. I will leave it as it is and add a note: "November 21, 1729 in the Julian calendar is December 2, 1729 in the Gregorian celandar. Josiah Bartlett was born before the Julian calendar switched to the Gregorian calendar in 1752." I am guessing I am not the only one to be confused about this.

Thanks so much for clearing this up for me.–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:12, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@CaroleHenson: I made a typo in the second "calendar". The Gregorian calendar was originally introduced by the pope in 1582. Different countries switched at different times. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:22, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

PrimeHunter, okay great!. If I change the 2nd sentence to "Josiah Bartlett was born before Britain and the British Empire (including colonial America) switched from the Julian calendar to the Gregorian calendar in 1752." will that work?–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:38, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@CaroleHenson: That works. Maybe a bit long but seems acceptable for a footnote. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers § Julian and Gregorian calendars only says: "Where it's not obvious that a given date should be given in Julian alone or in Gregorian alone, consider giving both styles, for example by using {{OldStyleDate}}." PrimeHunter (talk) 01:56, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

PrimeHunter, okay, thanks!–CaroleHenson (talk) 02:13, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Conflict of interest question about editing the pages of alumni + previous/current professors at your current college.

I'm an editing newbie and was wondering whether it was a conflict of interest to edit or create new pages for prominent alumni and professors of the college I currently go to. None of the biography pages are for individuals I have met or are directly connected to. However, some of these edits would involve adding my college to their biographical page. Neurobyte (talk) 04:19, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Neurobyte. Thank you for thinking about conflict of interest. In my view, conflict of interest is a continuum rather than a black or white, yes or no situation. Every editor has a very mild or minor conflict of of interest because we all write content about topics that fascinate and engage us. The critical factor is the editor's core motivation. Is the editor here primariliy to improve the encyclopedia, or primarily to promote their personal hobby horse. You are, as you admit, very new. If you comply scrupulously with the Neutral point of view, and defer to experienced, uninvolved editors, you should be fine. The review of content by uninvolved editors is the best way to avoid non-neutral content making its way into the encyclopedia. Cullen328 (talk) 06:50, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Neurobyte (talk) 06:56, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Neurobyte Cullen's advice is good. Mine would be to be quite open, as you have been here. Most experienced editors at Wikipedia are volunteers and hate undisclosed paid editing, which is one extreme form of COI. Other COI, such as citing your own academic publications, is not forbidden (see WP:SELFCITE). I suggest you start by adding to existing biographies, bearing in mind the policy at WP:BLP. Later, once you have built up experience, you could try drafting a new article: there's guidance at this essay. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:52, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

User talk page restriction?

Hi. I'm in a bit of a dispute at User talk:CanonNi § Please remove shudra sentences, where another editor, Harishsk2022, has been sending multiple messages telling me to edit an article, Devanga, after I declined his edit requests. I've told him multiple times that reliable sources are needed and that he should stop messaging me until he has one, but he doesn't seem to understand. Is it possible to possibly partially block an user from editing someone's talk page? I understand that according to WP:SOMTP, this is not encouraged, but I have no other clear options at the moment. Thank you. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 06:53, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

CanonNi, yes, you can ask an admin to help enforce if someone ignores your reasonable request to stop posting to your user talk page. You can't ban people from posting required notices to your talk page; for everything else, you can by just telling them to stop. Don't ask the admins for something specific, just tell them you need help and they will know best what should be done. Best, — Usedtobecool ☎️ 07:00, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Where would be the best place to make such a request? Can I do so at WP:ANI, or should I individually message admins on their talk page? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 07:02, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

CanonNi, go to an admin's talk page if you have a prior relationship with them and you know they're the sort of admin who handles user conduct; most admins have their niche. You could use the {{admin help}} template at that discussion on your talk page because it's really a simple straightforward matter, or you could post to ANI, sure. — Usedtobecool ☎️ 07:06, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

I've put the template on my talk page and I'm waiting for an admin to reply. Usedtobecool, thank you for all your help! '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 07:12, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

It seems that the user has copy-pasted his messages to the Teahouse after I didn't reply. Am I allowed to revert those edits? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 09:16, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Do not delete another editor's Teahouse post (unless clearly vandalism). David notMD (talk) 09:46, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Oh okay. Thank you. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 09:48, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia learning edit content making

I am new for Wikipedia want to learn content writing and editing 223.178.81.148 (talk) 08:31, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

See WP:TUTORIAL. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:39, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Remove shudra sentences from devanga Wikipedia

Hello

please find reliable source in the below link no where it is mentioned that we are shudra

see and change it

https://pure.northampton.ac.uk/ws/portalfiles/portal/55104710/Haridarshan_Pooja_2021_The_influence_of_the_childhood_experiences_of_women_in_Bangalore_India_upon_their_aspirations_for_their_children_socio-cultural_and_academic_perspectives_A_community_based_study.pdf

Harishsk2022 (talk) 09:13, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

This page is for questions on how to edit Wikipedia. The place to propose improvements to an article is the talk page of that article, in this case Talk:Devanga. Please provide a reliable source for your proposal. The fact that some source does not assert something is irrelevant. Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:35, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello

please find reliable source in the below link no where it is mentioned that we are shudra

see and change it

https://pure.northampton.ac.uk/ws/portalfiles/portal/55104710/Haridarshan_Pooja_2021_The_influence_of_the_childhood_experiences_of_women_in_Bangalore_India_upon_their_aspirations_for_their_children_socio-cultural_and_academic_perspectives_A_community_based_study.pdf

Harishsk2022 (talk) 09:40, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Stop adding this everywhere. Please. You did this to my talk page already. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 09:42, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

When it will get updated?? ??

How long time it will take!? Harishsk2022 (talk) 09:44, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Harishsk2022 You have made edit requests at Talk:Devanga which have all been denied. Asking the same here at Teahouse has no purpose. Please stop. David notMD (talk) 09:52, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

I don't want to edit you just remove that word shudra from the devanga Wikipedia page

Hello

please find reliable source in the below link no where it is mentioned that we are shudra

see and change it

https://pure.northampton.ac.uk/ws/portalfiles/portal/55104710/Haridarshan_Pooja_2021_The_influence_of_the_childhood_experiences_of_women_in_Bangalore_India_upon_their_aspirations_for_their_children_socio-cultural_and_academic_perspectives_A_community_based_study.pdf

Harishsk2022 (talk) 09:57, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

At WP:ANI there is now a recommendation that User:Harishsk2022 be indefinitely blocked. David notMD (talk) 10:13, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

I have blocked them for one week for "disruptive editing" and have left an explanatory message on their talk page so they understand why their constant demands everywhere to make an edit they want has proven disruptive to everyone else. Hopefully, they will not try the same tactic again once the block expires, or it may become permanent. Competence is required. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:33, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

UPDATE: Now blocked for a further week for continuing their disruptive tactic on their talk page! Nick Moyes (talk) 13:55, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Linking 2 pages

I am attempting to link a page to another, but it insists that 'this page does not exist'. The page I am attempting to link to is is a different language, is that an issue? FrazzleBaird (talk) 11:03, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

These 2 pages are fr:La_Pouquelaye_de_Faldouet and La Hougue Bie FrazzleBaird (talk) 11:04, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

In order to link another page to another in a different language in text you will have to use the following format: [[:language:articletitle|]]

In your case, this would be [[:fr:La Pouquelaye de Faldouet|]].

For more information, see Help:Interwiki linking SundayGot1 (talk) 11:24, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Cheers mate FrazzleBaird (talk) 13:47, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@FrazzleBaird: Try {{Interlanguage link}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:32, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! FrazzleBaird (talk) 13:47, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Notice: I am considering quitting everything

On itwiki they told me there is no way to request unblock, so I am seriously considering to abandon this account to start contributing again anonymously on itwiki and maybe recreate another account after several months so there cannot be any Checkuser evidence. Anyway if I decide to do so I think I won't contribute anymore here. However I might change idea. Any suggestions? Kind regards 14 novembre (talk) 🇮🇹 13:11, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@14 novembre, thank you for coming to the Teahouse. The English Wikipedia is independent from the Italian Wikipedia. If you abide by the rules and policies of English Wikipedia, you are welcome to contribute to English Wikipedia under this account. Cheers, --The Lonely Pather (talk) 13:43, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@TheLonelyPather OK. The fact is that I want to contribute also on itwiki, and that's impossible as long as this account is active. It's a really difficult decision. Kind regards 14 novembre (talk) 🇮🇹 13:46, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

New replies are welcome. 14 novembre (talk) 🇮🇹 13:46, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @14 novembre You are accused on Italian Wikipedia of being a WP:SOCKPUPPET of User:Calicanto2023, where both accounts have been blocked by User:Elwood. You certainly talk like someone happy to be a sockpuppet over there again, which is a shame. I am surprised it.wiki doesn't not have a process (as we do here) to request an unblock from your primary account after 6 months or more of no repeat offending has occurred. I'm not going to give you advice on how to get round a block for sockpuppetry, but waiting several months won't make any difference to the technical ability of Checkusers to determine if you have been breaching the respective rules of either Wikipedia. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:47, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

I see there is an equivalent page to appeal a block (see here), though there appears to be ongoing debate which might affect how it applies to blocks applied before March 2024. So waiting several months for a consensus to form could be a good idea anyway. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:51, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you're posting about this here. If you're looking for a Teahouse host to tell you it's OK for you to WP:EVADE your block on Italian Wikipedia, then you're barking up the wrong tree so to speak. What happens on Italian Wikipedia, however, shouldn't affect your status on English Wikipedia as long as you edit according to English Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and don't start otherwise creating problems. If you don't want to contribute to English Wikipedia anymore, then don't. If you want to take a break and then come back later, then that's OK too. Don't try to get others to make your decision for you; you decide what you're going to do. If anyone is going to suggest anything, then it should be to not underestimate the experience of checkusers in detecting block avoiding accounts even after some time has passed; most of them seem to be pretty good at doing so because the blocked user almost always has a tell that eventually shows itself. Perhaps the best thing for you to do is to find out what you need to get your Italian Wikipedia account unblocked and restored back to good standing. On English Wikipedia, there's something called WP:OFFER; perhaps Italian Wikipedia does something similar. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:47, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Marchjuly @Nick Moyes

Thanks for your answers. I have taken the decision to continue editing here (I will probably do a small pause) and hopefully in some time there will be the possibility to appeal the block ok itwiki. So I think the best thing is continuing to respect the block, although believing it wrong, to avoid further consequences. Thanks again, kind regards 14 novembre (talk) 🇮🇹 13:55, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

I keep getting this "parsoid" error whenever I try to edit an article

I've tried restarting my computer, and the error still pops up. Any way I could fix this? TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 15:09, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

...okay, it's gone now? TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 15:10, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Same here, the visual editor is not working, It worked that’s why I removed my topic from here but as I am checking from phone it is not loading. Grabup (talk) 15:12, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Grabup See WP:VPT § Can't edit where others are reporting similar issues and where the experts hang out. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:15, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Now it's back again. TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 15:28, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T356157

Technical discussion since January, when it first occurred. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:41, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@TrademarkedTWOrantula

Hi! And welcome to the Teahouse! It seems like there is a Technical Difficulty going on here. I have not gotten the error yet but have you tried resetting the cache? Maybe try that and see if it works. HermoineGranger54 (talk) 16:36, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Seems to work. Thank you! TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 18:46, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Np. Glad I could help! HermoineGranger54 (talk) 18:49, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Inactive user

Hello. I can't find the page about the guidelines and criteria on reporting inactive users, could you please direct me toward it? I just realized that user:Mzajac has been gone from en.wiki for an unusual amount of time compared to how much he usually edits. Cheers. Encyclopédisme (talk) 16:20, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Just read the talk page archives and turns out he hasn’t been editing since his last topic ban. Encyclopédisme (talk) 16:24, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Encyclopédisme I don't understand why "reporting inactive users" would be of interest to anyone. To whom would you report them and why? Most people here are volunteers who might give up editing for any number of reasons. On the other hand, if you know of a deceased editor, see the guidance at WP:DECEASED. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:05, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

I remember a page explaining how and when to put a template "inactive user" or something like that. Maybe it’s just me, and that doesn’t actually exist. Encyclopédisme (talk) 17:48, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Encyclopédisme: See {{Not around}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:19, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Encyclopédisme (talk) 19:25, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Please revert Vandal edit

Please Revert Vandal edit

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Coimbatore_Lok_Sabha_constituency&diff=prev&diffonly=1&oldid=1218781709 Mazda Suzu637 (talk) 16:20, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Mazda Suzu637 You have made an edit request on the Talk Page of the article, which is the correct place for it. As I understand things, you are concerned about the list of candidates for an election which has not yet occurred. There are no citations in the table to verify that any of the candidates (including the one you want to add back) are actually running. Since Wikipedia has no deadlines, the best thing to do may be to await the outcome of the election. Meanwhile the article has been extended-confirmed protected, so IPs will not be able to make further changes. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:42, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

https://www.thehindu.com/elections/lok-sabha/lok-sabha-polls-i-dmk-coimbatore-candidate-files-nomination-on-final-day/article67999502.ece Mazda Suzu637 (talk) 17:05, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Mazda Suzu637 Fine, then use that citation to back up your edit request. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:06, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Pictures

Hi! How do you make a picture smaller, I added one to my user page but it's overcrowding my user page and I can't read anything. So I need that picture to be smaller. You can see it at HermoineGranger54. If anyone can help that would be great! Thanks! HermoineGranger54 (talk) 16:21, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Assuming you're on PC and using the visual editor, click on the image, edit it, then go to "Advanced" at the top. You can then set a custom image size. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 16:23, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Ok! Thanks! HermoineGranger54 (talk) 16:31, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Editing a page that was removed

There was a company page for CitrusAd (a retail media company) but it was removed. I don't know why it was removed, but I would like edit it so it is accessible for others to know the history of the company, but I am not sure how to find it or where to start. TLN27 (talk) 16:29, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

The page was moved to a draft on 5 November, 2022 for "Quarantine likely covert advertising" The draft was then deleted under WP:G13 on 3 May, 2023 because it was deemed to be abandoned. You can request that it be refunded to you at WP:REFUND/G13. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 16:37, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for informing me. I do not understand "refunding" it to me. I did not pay for anything- I was only going to edit or update it. Does "refund" in this instance mean, I would take "ownership" of it or it would then be put in my hands for editing? Thank you for your guidance. TLN27 (talk) 16:42, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

It means you could edit it, not that you own it. What is your connection to the page? Equine-man (talk) 16:47, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

I have connection to it in that I specialize in retail communications in the space of CPG (consumer packaged goods) and retail media. My connection to the page is I formerly worked on PR projects for that company prior to them being sold. I continue to work in the retail media space, but with other clients and companies. TLN27 (talk) 16:58, 14 April 2024 I would appreciate any help in how to properly restore it and resolve any issues. I am new here-- so I'm sorry if this is like hand holding. TLN27 (talk) 17:02, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Refunding essentially means that it will be returned to its draft state. As Equine above asked, do you have a connection to this page at all? CommissarDoggo^Talk? 16:48, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

I have connection to it in that I specialize in retail communications in the space of CPG (consumer packaged goods) and retail media. My connection to the page is I formerly worked on PR projects for that company prior to them being sold. I continue to work in the retail media space, but with other clients and companies. TLN27 (talk) 16:58, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, TLN27. "REFUND" here has nothing to do with the ordinary English word "refund", but is a bit of Wikipedia jargon for "Request For UNDeletion". ColinFine (talk) 18:00, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@CommissarDoggo: Please don't use jargon like "refunded" here on the Teahouse page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:10, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Notability and Neutral Point of View.

Hi Edit support,

I am trying to build a Wikipedia page for Victoria Wyeth, I am receiving no benefit for my actions. I do not know Victoria but I do have her permission to proceed with this endeavor. My first submissions has ben denied approval on the grounds of notability and neutrality. I do believe that Victoria is sufficiently notable because she is an active part of the Wyeth legacy. Victoria is working to improve the public knowledge through her presentations.

But, when I try to develop a better submission to get over the notability question, I fall foul of the neutrality rule.

What can I do to correct or improve my submission?

Paul Paul7384 (talk) 16:35, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

The large majority of the page is uncited and does not at all sound like it's presented in WP:WIKIVOICE.

As an example, the first paragraph reads "Victoria Wyeth is an accomplished and passionate lecturer, traveling world wide, her audiences benefit from her unique perspective through her first hand experience combined with her extensive research. As the granddaughter of renowned artist Andrew Wyeth, she carries forward a legacy of creativity and talent. Additionally, being the great-granddaughter of the celebrated illustrator N.C. Wyeth and the niece of contemporary realist Jamie Wyeth, Victoria is an active part of a remarkable artistic dynasty. The daughter of Nicholas and Jane Wyeth. Her father, Nicholas, is a private art dealer, while her mother, Jane, is an art advisor with a background in art history." To put it simply and rather bluntly, it reads like a PR puff piece.

I would personally nuke this and completely rewrite it, focusing on what reliable, secondary sources are saying about this person. If you cannot find reliable, secondary sources, then you do not have a page. See WP:BACKWARDS for more on that. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 16:43, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

I’d also steer clear from editing the page due to your possible conflict of interest. Equine-man (talk) 16:48, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Equine-man Editors with a conflict of interest are not prohibited from creating articles, provided they use the WP:AfC process, which Paul is doing. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:55, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Agreed, but they should also declare such COI beforehand. Equine-man (talk) 16:57, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Paul7384 Apart from the tone of the draft, you are not complying with this policy for biographies of living people, which you need to read carefully. You also need to show that she is wikinotable in the way that's defined here. Interviews are not an acceptable way to do that, since inevitably people talk about themselves in a favourable way. You need sources which meet all of these criteria. As a newcomer to editing, you might be better to build your skills by editing existing articles on topics that interest you. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:53, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

I deleted a lot of the laudatory content, but in my opinion she has not accomplished anything that makes Draft:Victoria Wyeth Wikipedia-notable. David notMD (talk) 18:34, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Paul7384 At risk of a "pile-on", I would add that being "an active part of the Wyeth legacy" is really not sufficient to justify an article about a person. All I see is that Victoria is active in giving lectures about her illustrious ancestors and relatives, but that she, herself, has not garnered much attention otherwise. In essence: Notability is not inherited.

A good source that shows her ancestry and her activity (like this one), could possibly be used in a single sentence on the articles about those ancestors to show her family ties and their artistic legacy that she promotes today. But it would need to be short, very carefully worded, and not forced into an article for its own sake.

I was slightly bemused by one other statement you made, namely, "I do not know Victoria but I do have her permission to proceed with this endeavor." Firstly, if you've made some contact with her, it suggests you do in some way know her but, more importantly, we do not ever need the approval of any notable subject to create a Wikipedia article about them. We only use sources that are in the public domain to compile articles, so permission is never needed.

I'm sorry this does not sound too positive. Until she becomes notable in her own right (see WP:NBIO or WP:NARTIST), I fear you might be struggling to make progress. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:48, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, I didn’t understand the rules sufficiently to make a good submission. I have listened to one zoom presentation by Victoria and I watched a presentation of hers at an organized event. I haven’t spoken with her directly. I sent her some communications about Wikipedia. I was very impressed by her work, that’s it really. I can see that opening the page is going to be difficult. Thank you for considering my submission. Paul7384 (talk) 23:33, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Understanding the infobox weapon

Please if I may ask, is there such thing as infobox weapon, and if so what are the differences with other infobox?
Thisasia  ^(Talk) 16:42, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Thisasia Yes, indeed. See documentation at {{Infobox weapon}}. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:45, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Oww thanks very much
Thisasia  ^(Talk) 16:46, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

There is such a thing as infobox weapon, you can see that on page such as T-14 Armata and SA80. The reason why I use these two random examples is that the page for the T-14 has parameters for being a vehicle and being a weapon, so it includes stuff about its mobility but also about its firepower. The SA80 however focused on its characteristics as a firearm.

The main differences between all the weird and wonderful infobox types is that they all focus on different areas, with some of them looking quite different depending on what they focus on. See Jacksepticeye and Khorgo as, again, two completely different examples.

In basic terms, they have parameters that are the same in some cases, and in others are wildly different. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 16:46, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the provided information.
Thisasia  ^(Talk) 16:56, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

False Banning

I've recently started editing and I saw a story about someone who got falsely banned and I'm wondering if it could happen to me? BlackbirdRed (talk) 19:00, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello. It's difficult to respond without knowing what you saw. There is a difference between a ban and a block. Many blocked(or banned) users think their block/ban is false when it actually isn't. 331dot (talk) 19:06, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks that helps a lot! BlackbirdRed (talk) 19:17, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

"False banning" might also mean, telling someone that they're banned when they aren't, but they believe you and stop editing. Maproom (talk) 21:51, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Request to move Draft:Silvia Steiger to my userspace

I like to request that the Draft:Silvia Steiger is moved to my userspace, so I can continue to work on it.

I don't understand how I do so.

Could you please help me with this?

Thanks and kindly regards

Vandepaerela (talk) 20:31, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Vandepaerela: Now at User:Vandepaerela/Silvia Steiger. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:35, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Templates

How to create templates on Wiki and can it be created visually? MoCars (talk) 01:03, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

See Help:Template and Help:A quick guide to templates. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 02:10, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Saving a sandbox environment.

Hi all. I'm working on big changes to a company page. My mentor helped me create a sandbox environment to create a draft for these changes. I have now asked for an independent editor review of the page but am concerned my changes in the sandbox aren't saving. There is no 'save changes' button, only 'review changes' and 'publish changes'. If I hit publish, will the changes only be reflected in the sandbox environment, or will they update the actual company page in Wikipedia? JessZoiti (talk) 05:31, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@JessZoiti: For legal reasons, the "Save" button was renamed to "Publish", so that you are aware anyone can view your changes. It will just be in your sandbox, not the article RudolfRed (talk) 05:42, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@RudolfRed thank you. I've hit publish in my Sandbox environment. Hopefully this means the independent review editor will be able to see the updates and changes – i requested they synch with my sandbox in order to review the changes. JessZoiti (talk) 05:47, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

I see that you've replaced the description "Singaporean liquefied natural gas exchange", which explains what the business is, by "Provider of enterprise solutions to the global commodities market", which is meaningless promotional guff. In my view that is not an improvement. Maproom (talk) 07:55, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

And worse - before your edits, it cited six sources. Now it cites none (though it does list some). Wikipedia articles should be be bases on the sources that they cite - so that's definitely not an improvement. Maproom (talk) 08:02, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

JessZoiti, please see Help:Referencing for beginners in order to improve the article. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 08:05, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for divulging that you are being paid to edit. Very likely each client hopes that its article will impress readers with its experience, skills, probity, etc. But Wikipedia is only concerned with what reliable, disinterested sources say about a demonstrably notable subject. These "big changes" you're working on -- are they perhaps intended to aggrandize the subject? As it is, your draft reads like corporate PR sludge. As a humdrum example: "GLX Digital pivoted away from The Global LNG Marketplace in July 2021, discontinuing the product", which doesn't obviously mean anything other than "GLX Digital discontinued the Global LNG Marketplace in July 2021". -- Hoary (talk) 08:26, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

The existing GLX Digital has properly formated refs embedded in the text. Copy those as needed into your Sandbox. For new refs, use proper ref format and placement. P.S. No hyperlinks in text. David notMD (talk) 12:54, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

You face a large problem: As a declared PAID editor, you are not supposed to edit the article directly. Instead, you are supposed to propose changes on the article's Talk page so that a non-involved editor can approve and implement, or deny. There are a few exceptions that allow for editing the article directly, such as simple facts about headquarters location, number of employees, etc. David notMD (talk) 12:59, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

HI @David notMD thank you for your help here. I'm new to Wikipedia and am unsure of the most appropriate ways to navigate the platform - my intentions are to see the page reflect current and correct information. From this point onwards, I'll make edit suggestions on the Talk page as you recommend. Appreciate it. JessZoiti (talk) 00:58, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

New topic

I just want to add that that Jonathan Hager "played a crucial role," by emphasizing his significant influence and active involvement in political processes. This, I hope, will underscore his importance in the local history of Maryland and portrays him as a key figure in the region's development. Whytehallda (talk) 06:41, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Whytehallda, thank you for trying, but in the article Jonathan Hager, you've presented as the source for this added tidbit a page that seems to have been "user-generated", and you've put the link to it in the body of the article. Neither is acceptable in a Wikipedia article. Please see Help:Introduction to referencing with Wiki Markup/1, -- Hoary (talk) 08:16, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

New article submission, but before I start…

Dear Wiki Help, I’ve tried and failed to enter a new article because of the notability and my tone being too biographical. I didn’t know about these rules when I started. I’d like to try again but with a different subject. My niece is an actress Flora Dawson, she comes up first if you google her. If I write a short submission and cite her achievements do you think she is noteworthy enough to be published as an article on Wikipedia? Paul7384 (talk) 09:52, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Paul7384 Hello and welcome. Please read conflict of interest first. You will want to see the definition of a notable actress to see if she meets it, and gather independent reliable sources that give her significant coverage- those should be summarized in an article, it should not merely document her achievements. 331dot (talk) 09:57, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Paul7384 Most of the content I see on Google is based on her IMDb entry. Wikipedia does not consider that a reliable source (see WP:IMDB). So your approach could be to take the IMDb listings only as a starting point to delve into her career and see whether theatre critics etc. have written specifically about her. Choose only high-quality newspaper journalists and avoid anything substantially based on interviews. You must use the WP:AfC process because of your conflict of interest and should declare that on the Draft's Talk Page. Good luck. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:08, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Mike, very helpful. Paul7384 (talk) 12:11, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Photo of corpses

Hi all. Wondering about the photo of corpses in the Dalton Gang infobox. It's the only image on the topic available on wiki commons, which isn't surprising. My reading of the guidance is that it should probably be removed, but I'm curious about what editors with some experience with WP:OM have to say. Cheers. Robincantin (talk) 10:21, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Robincantin I see that you asked this back in January on the Talk Page of the article and I'm surprised you haven't had any replies there given the page had 77 watchers. My own view is that this image (from 1892) is by no means the most graphic we have on Wikipedia and would not fall into the most egregious categories where specific consensus to use them would be needed. I note that the image is widely used in multiple-language Wikipedias, so I don't think that the English version is an outlier in this case. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:59, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Also see WP:NOTCENSORED. Theroadislong (talk) 12:33, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that's in the first sentence of the guidance Robincantin has already linked to. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:39, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Mike Turnbull, Theroadislong Given the topic, I suspect the en.wikipedia was the original, the other languages just followed its example. Ok, I'll leave it unless a discussion going in the other direction develops on its Talk page (looks like it won't). Robincantin (talk) 14:03, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Robincantin, since we have individual photos of Bob Dalton, Grat Dalton and Emmett Dalton, a collage of those three could be created for the infobox, and the photo of the corpses could be moved to the Coffeeville bank robbery section. I left this suggestion on the article talk page as well. The policy language is at WP:COLLAGE. Cullen328 (talk) 17:44, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Image: copyright holder has approved publication

Hello Wikipedians,

File:Valtra N113 HT5 Forest.jpg

This image has the following text underneath:

The Wikimedia Foundation has received an e-mail confirming that the copyright holder has approved publication under the terms mentioned on this page. This correspondence has been reviewed by a Volunteer Response Team (VRT) member and stored in our permission archive. The correspondence is available to trusted volunteers as ticket #2015102610015282.

I would like to upload some good images to Wikipedia. Some I took myself and hold copyright that I can release. For other pictures, however, I would need to get the copyright holder to send the confirmation.

When copyright holder approves the publication:

1. Where do I or copyright holder sends that email?
2. Where do I send or upload the image? Benevolent Bureocrat (talk) 10:38, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Clarification:

Basically, if I'd like to upload an image in the same way as the example I provided – how do I do that? :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Benevolent Bureocrat (talk • contribs) 10:42, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Benevolent Bureocrat Commons has its own Help Desk where you can ask if you run into problems. The email address to send permission is permissions-commons@wikimedia.org See c:Commons:Email_templates for alternative ways you can get people to use the system. For your own pictures taken on your own camera, the process is much simpler. Just use the Commons:Special:UploadWizard and carefully follow the prompts. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:49, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Benevolent Bureocrat. Just going to add that if you upload your own photos to Commons, you need to make sure they are not photos of entirely of or that include too much of someone else's creative content because in many cases you will need that person's consent as well. For more on this, see WP:Derivative works, c:Commons:Licensing, c:Commons:Own work, c:Commons:2D copying, c:Commons:Derivative works, c:Commons:Freedom of panorama, c:Commons:Copyright rules by subject matter and c:Commons:De minimis. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:09, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

How do we qualify a "reasonable" paid source?

There's been a handful of changes recently using The Athletic's paid fantasy football guide (ex. Ricky Pearsall) to cite full names, birth dates, and birth places. Is this allowed? I know we can cite paid publications, but these guides feel kind of commercial and are likely not accessible in the long term (and therefore, unarchivable). Any suggestions on what to do here? --Engineerchange (talk) 12:59, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

In line with the current sourcing policies, I don't see why this wouldn't be allowed. Editors can cite rare books that very few editors will ever be able to read in order to verify the claims made, so as long as the author is reliable, The Athletic's guide would be a usable resource. In terms of "unarchivable": is there precedent of previous years' draft guides being deleted? That would be my main concern here. Reconrabbit 14:55, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

I think the nature of fantasy football journalism (vs. sports journalism) is it is and can be transient and inconsistent, so I would imagine the url of these things can and do change as years go by, but such is the nature of the Internet. Appreciate your input; I think I'll let this go; my concern was if this file is used to cite the birth dates for dozens of articles and is gone in a year, we are stuck back at square one in a couple years time! --Engineerchange (talk) 15:27, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

That is a concern for sure, but even now there are plenty of printed books that can be bought for the past few decades of NFL drafts still out there, and The Athletic still hosts news articles regarding fantasy football from 2018 that pop up on Google. Reconrabbit 15:39, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

MOS:ELLIPSES and MOS:LQ seem contradictory.

The following guidance seems contradictory.

MOS:ELLIPSES:

But where an ellipsis is immediately followed by any of . ? ! : ; , ) ] } or by a closing quotation mark (single or double), use a non-breaking space before the ellipsis, and no space after it: Jones wrote: "These stories amaze me. The facts suffer so frightfully ..."

MOS:LQ:

If the quotation is a single word or a sentence fragment, place the terminal punctuation outside the closing quotation mark. When quoting a full sentence, the end of which coincides with the end of the sentence containing it, place terminal punctuation inside the closing quotation mark.

• Miller wanted, he said, "to create something timeless".
• Miller said: "I wanted to create something timeless."

My guess is that MOS:ELLIPSES is not as clear as it could be. For example, perhaps it should be edited like this (or similar):

But where an ellipsis is immediately followed by any of . ? ! : ; , ) ] } or by a closing quotation mark (single or double), use a non-breaking space before the ellipsis, and no space after it: Jones wrote: "These stories amaze me. The facts suffer so frightfully ...".(Note that the period ending the sentence should be placed outside the quotation mark; see MOS:LQ.)

Or am I totally misunderstanding?

Thanks! – Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) [he/him] 14:06, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Markworthen My interpretation is that an ellipsis is the set of (usually) three dots that indicates something is missing: in this case from a quote. That being so, it would be confusing to place another punctuation dot immediately after the ellipsis but it does need a non-breaking space before it. Another way to think of this is that any quotation ending in an ellipsis must indeed be a fragment, so the advice at MOS:LQ is good: put the quotation mark before the final punctuation. Your suggestion to alter the guidance could lead to extra clarity, so if no-one else here at the Teahouse has a different idea, you could be bold and add that. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:39, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

IP Address Exemption

I am having issues with my IP when editing. How do I go through this huddle? Caleb Ndu (talk) 16:11, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Caleb Ndu: Welcome to the Teahouse! What issues are you having? If you're not able to edit at all, see Wikipedia:IP block exemption. If you're having a different issue, please provide more details. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 17:14, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@GoingBatty My account was created by a user due to the fact I couldn't create it on my own which was then because my IP address was abused previously. I'm just concerned about future problems here on Wikipedia. Thank you for trying to help me but I need more directions. Caleb Ndu (talk) 17:18, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Caleb Ndu! As long as you're logged into your account, the editing status of your IP shouldn't matter and you should be good to go! What other directions are you looking for? Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 17:34, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Perfect4thI am happy to receive clarifications. Now, my nerves are calm. I need a mentor here. How do I apply for? Caleb Ndu (talk) 17:41, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Caleb Ndu, there are various ways you can get mentorship or help on Wikipedia. It looks like your automatically assigned mentor is Alextejthompson – you can ask your mentor questions on their talk page here. You can also continue to ask questions here at the Teahouse. Did you have a specific question you wanted an answer for? Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 17:51, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Perfect4th Thanks for this direction, I have written @Alextejthompson on his talk page and I wait response from him under 24 hours from this moment. I want to see if he's interested, else I move on with another editor. I love the way you reply me. Caleb Ndu (talk) 18:01, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Submitting a draft through articles for creation

Hi! I am a newbie but want to submit a draft through articles for creation. Do I go straight there, or is it best to ask someone here to review my draft? Any help would be MUCH appreciated :) Becca33 (talk) 17:56, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Becca33Where's the article draft namespace? I wish to contribute to it's improvement. Caleb Ndu (talk) 18:03, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Use WP:YFA as a path to creating a draft. Be sure that you understand the essential need for references, and how to format references. AfC then allows you to submit your draft. There is a backlog. The system is not a queue, meaning that any draft may be reviewed in days, weeks, or sadly, months. All that said, general advice is to gain experience editing existing articles before attempting to create a new article. P.S. Teahouse hosts are here to advise, but do not wear a second hat as reviewers. David notMD (talk) 18:47, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Caleb Ndu While wanting to help other editors is admirable, given that you have had your account for less than two weeks, I suggest refraining from offering to co-author drafts by other editors. David notMD (talk) 19:00, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@David notMD That's not an issue. I wish to be directed to where I could be more friendly. I wish to interact with other editors as much as I can. I didn't join 2 weeks ago. I joined 2 months ago. Caleb Ndu (talk) 19:26, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Becca33, and welcome to the Teahouse. I echo David's advice: every day we see dozens of drafts written by eager new editors before they have spent time learning how Wikipedia works. Hardly any of them are acceptable as they stand, and many are never going to be acceptable, because the creators have not begun by determining whether or not the subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability. Naturally, the enthusiastic creators get disappointed (at the very least) that their efforts appear not to be appreciated.

I see that you are a Marketing professional: to be honest, you may find that more of a hindrance than a help, because often the ways of writing which are entirely appropriate in your work are entirely inappropriate in Wikipedia. So, as David says: go slowly, and make sure you understand fundmental concepts such as verifiability, reliable sources, independent sources and neutral point of view before you venture to follow the advice in your first article.

And I'd address most of that to @Caleb Ndu as well. ColinFine (talk) 19:41, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Biography pages

How do I create biography pages that are not deleted? That is what i want to specialize as a writer Edu.Report (talk) 18:10, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Edu.Report, the quality of the reliable sources that you cite is all-important. If you neutrally summarize high quality, independent sources that devote significant coverage to the person, you will be well on your way to success. Cullen328 (talk) 18:17, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks that is a great advice. Edu.Report (talk) 18:19, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

WP:BACKWARDS may have something helpful. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:20, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

That is what I was trying to do, I started a draft and then I was deleted. I could not even edited. How can I work on the article before it is deleted? Edu.Report (talk) 18:23, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

You could work in your Personal sandbox. Qcne (talk) 19:03, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Not being an Administrator, I cannot see the draft that was Speedy deleted, but as explained on your Talk page, it was considered too promotional. I recommend you look at existing biographies to get an idea of how content is presented to be neutral versus promotional. Biographies, especially, must have content verified by references. David notMD (talk) 19:06, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Edu Report. If you make sure you ignore absolutely everything said, written, or published, by the subject or their associates, and write summarizing only what independent commentators have published about the subject, your work will be less likely to be regarded as promotional. ColinFine (talk) 19:44, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Edu.Report: You can request a copy of the deleted page be put in your sandbox, so you can improve it, by asking at WP:REFUND. Please note that pages deleted as a copyright violation will be restored. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:39, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

I think you meant "will not be restored". ColinFine (talk) 21:06, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Auto-archive for page

I have difficulties sometimes properly setting up the automatic archive feature on some pages. I attempted just now to setup a automatic archive for the talk page at Atlas Network, but I cannot be positive that it was setup correctly. Could one of you please help me in checking just to ensure that that was created correctly and that it should then begin auto-archiving in 14 days as currently configured? Iljhgtn (talk) 18:50, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn since there are not a lot of threads on that page, it might be better to manually archive them with a tool like WP:1CA, which will move an individual thread to an archive. 14 days seems awfully short for the number of threads there are. – Isochrone (talk) 19:13, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Ok. How do I change the time. I think 30 days might be best. I just do not know how to set that up. If you could help me that would be really nice. Iljhgtn (talk) 19:23, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn: Paste this at the top of the talk page:

{{User:MiszaBot/config
|archiveheader       = {{talkarchivenav}}
|maxarchivesize      = 75K
|counter             = 1
|minthreadsleft      = 4
|minthreadstoarchive = 1
|algo                = old(28d)
|archive             = {{SAFESUBST:FULLPAGENAME}}/Archive %(counter)d
}}
{{archives|search=yes}}

Change old(28d) (28 days) to a more suitable number if you wish. Adjust |counter = 1 to account for any existing archive pages. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:33, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

I added a lowercasesigmabot that would appear to be working. If you want to check my work, it looks like it already archived some content and left some still yet to be archived. Talk:Atlas Network. Iljhgtn (talk) 20:39, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

How do I create personalized user boxes?

I am intoxicated by use of User box to explain my user page and I don't know exactly how to create them. I mean, custom User box. Somebody help me please comprehensively. Caleb Ndu (talk) 19:49, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello again Caleb Ndu. Does WP:User boxes help? (General hint: if you want to know about something in using or editing Wikipedia, it's usually worth trying to search for the term with WP: on the front). ColinFine (talk) 21:08, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Caleb Ndu: Often the easiest way to create a custom user box is to find on another user's page one whose general appearance you like, copy the code from that user page, and paste it on your page, replacing the text and image with what you want. That's what I did for the top box on my user page. Deor (talk) 22:22, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Applying this now is my problem. I'm still new here. Caleb Ndu (talk) 22:37, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

I am not happy

I am not happy by the treatment of this website, I am sick and tired of abusive moderators destroying contributions and violating pages. I want a formal complaint against Pmffl Poppodoms (talk) 20:16, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

This seems to relate to the recent history of ArkWeb, which is now a redirect. Please follow the process at WP:DR. See also WP:AGF. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:25, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

You may also want to ping someone when you are doing this so they are not taken by surprise. @Pmffl Iljhgtn (talk) 20:27, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

I don't want information, I want direct link to get this page rolled back Poppodoms (talk) 20:32, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Poppodoms. I have not looked at the issue, and I have no idea whether I would support your position or not. But Wikipedia is a collaborative project. If you take the position of "I'm right and they're wrong" you are not likely to be happy here, and you may find yourself blocked.

Incidentally, we don't have "moderators". Pmffl is another editor, like you and me.

Please look at the pages Andy pointed you to. ColinFine (talk) 21:13, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia contributor is abusing his power on it, this is not "I'm right and they're wrong" situation. It is simply abuse. Poppodoms (talk) 21:17, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Talk:ArkWeb has the context. 2 items of note here: there is currently only one English reference for this topic, and Poppodoms is trying to unilaterally control this article, even to the point of blanking it in protest. I admit I was too hasty in some of my edits earlier today, but I stand by the redirect, as explained on the talk page. -Pmffl (talk) 21:11, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

I stand by the reverse redirect. Pmffl admitted that it was a browser engine on the Talk:ArkWeb - Wikipedia Poppodoms (talk) 21:15, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I did admit it, but that doesn't change the lack of valid English refs for this topic. Hence the redirect. I want to emphasize again, this is nothing personal for me. I realize you created this article and may feel some "ownership" of it, but that's not how wikipedia is supposed to work. (But I get it; it can be hard not to feel that way about work done here.) -Pmffl (talk) 21:19, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

I don't feel ownership to anything here, I only contribute with the citations, I feel that you are not doing your job as a contributor, in looking at things objectively, and allowing it to naturally grow. You come behind and feel entitled to act like a moderator like it's "suspicious", when you are mere contributor like myself. Poppodoms (talk) 21:22, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

This should really be taking place on the relevant talk page and not here on the Teahouse I think. Iljhgtn (talk) 21:41, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

i understand. I apologise. It's resolved between two parties. Thank you very much, I appreciate it. Poppodoms (talk) 21:42, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Twinkle Question

Hello,

I just started using Twinkle and I don't understand what an AGF Rollback is. Could someone explain?

Also, when should I use Rollback and when should I use the "Vandalism" button when comparing edits? For now, I use "Rollback" for "test edits" and "Vandalism" for vandalism. Is this how I should use it?

Thanks. Myrealnamm (💬talk · ✏️contribs) at 20:26, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

AGF stands for "Assume Good Faith". Rollback is a feature that lets you revert a whole series of edits in one click. Which is why it needs to be used with great care and caution. Iljhgtn (talk) 20:28, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

I see. Thanks! Myrealnamm (💬talk · ✏️contribs) at 20:29, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

You are welcome. Iljhgtn (talk) 20:40, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Article alerts not working?

After a few weeks of waiting, I'm not sure why the article alerts template for WikiProject Apps isn't working. I've assessed a considerable amount of pages with the project tag, and the bot seems to be updating the page. TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 21:32, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

coi use of DISPLAYTITLE:title template

Hi, may I change the display title of an article (OutTV to OUTtv), supply references to a number of sources validating the updated stylization of the name (almost all the existing citations on the page where the title resides), remove the phrase: "OutTV (stylized OUTtv)", as well as then update the article text to reflect the new title case? I have a displayed coi with the article and would also mention coi in the edit summary. The article currently exists with both styles used in the text. Or would this be better addressed via an edit:COI request? Thank you. Oshentree (talk) 23:14, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Edits

my father has a wiki page and in the spouse column it says married with children, he wants me to edit that and put in the name of my mother and siblings, but wikipidea does not allow edits to the pages of people you are related to, what can i do to resolve this.

Tpiusukeyima (talk) 23:20, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Tpiusukeyima. Wikipedia is quite strict about what it does and doesn't allow in Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons (please read that project page). Generally, spouses and children are only named if they are notable (i.e. qualified for their own Wikipedia article) in their own right or are very relevant to matters discussed in the article.

Usually, for example, names of non-adult children are not listed just because they exist: this is to maintain their privacy and protection — criminals, kidnappers and scammers can read Wikipedia as easily as anyone else.

We have some advice at Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. What applies to the subject of an article applies also to non-notable relatives of the subject. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 151.227.134.31 (talk) 00:04, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

young n restless

how can i get in contact with young and restless star mark grossman

2601:846:780:FA0:5555:4068:B5D6:4680 (talk) 23:27, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. This, unfortunately, is beyond the scope of Wikipedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:08, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

There is a link to contact information within his entry in the IMDb, here. It appears you have to sign up to IMDbPro to access it, but there seems to be a free-trial option. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 151.227.134.31 (talk) 00:18, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Is there any possible way to get the "Deplorable Instinct" article posted?

It's a very popular story, and is high ranking on Amazon. I feel it deserves an article completely. Can you help me out please? Jasonsepice234 (talk) 23:57, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Jasonsepice234: Welcome to the Teahouse. For one thing, you have no inline citations, which are required for a Wikipedia article. Please don't add external links in the body of the article. Also, be aware that sites like Fandom are supplied with user-generated content, which undermines any reliability it would have had. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:10, 16 April 2024 (UTC)