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Happy Xmas! Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 13:46, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

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A cup of tea for the gentleman! Best regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 08:06, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you so much. Ekdalian (talk) 08:08, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your note and help.

A Dutt — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adutt77 (talk • contribs) 14:22, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Adutt77, good to see that you have understood the basics of our policies. Ekdalian (talk) 15:22, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Snippet views

Please do not use Google Books snippet views, for which we have no sense of context and which very frequently end up misrepresenting the source when it comes to caste articles. I thought I had mentioned this to you before but I'm not digging around to find it. - Sitush (talk) 11:13, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks Mahensingha. Wish you a happy & colourful Holi.. Ekdalian (talk) 07:29, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks a lot, SMahenS. Wish you a very happy & prosperous New Year 2016. Regards, Ekdalian (talk) 09:50, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

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British Judgements about Kayastha status

Dear Ekdalian,

You can see The Indian Law Reports: Calcutta series, Volume 10 By India. High Court (Calcutta, India) page 465.It is freely available on the web.

In this case I thought it was essential to read the British Judgement.

It is clear after reading this 1884 judgement that the British court considered only the customs(and varna) of specific regional Kayasthas and made their judgement on only certain particular Kayasthas of some regions. (It is explicitly mentioned in the judgement as to what they took into account). So to make a blanket statement about all Indians (of the community) is not right IMHO ; especially if it is offensive.

Secondly , there have been judgments made much later by the British as well as census reports by British that classify Kayastha as Kshatriya. In the view of the above facts, it is obvious that the "them" pronoun mentioned by the author you quote is referring to the last noun in that sentence(page 202 of Rowe) i.e. Bengali kayasthas. Either that is what the author meant or the author has been careless in framing the sentence. This is obvious from the judgement itself.

In any case , if there are conflicting opinions , it is best to avoid one sided/biased views since they have an agenda(especially that can be hurtful to a community).

BTW, I am neither Bengali not do I belong to the above community, nor am I in India. I only have interest in the literate castes of India (like Brahmins and Kayasthas) and their history.

Just my two cents.

Regards, M. Acharya. ps. I am new to Wikipedia. Please guide me if I am incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Acharya63 (talk • contribs) 05:19, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Dear Acharya63, what you have mentioned above is fine. But Wikipedia doesn't consider primary sources like judgements, and instead consider reliable texts; the part of the text mentioned in the source (Page 202) clearly talks about all the Kayasthas in general. This is probably because of several judgements from different British courts. Anyway, we are not supposed to modify the statements taken from the reference, and these are considered as sourced statements. I understand you are new to Wikipedia and may not be fully aware of our policies. Please read WP:RS, WP:V and WP:OR. Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 08:45, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Mythology Namasudra(Namassej) and Manoranja Byapari

Regarding your comment on the talk page on the basis of which the mythology of this Hindu-apartheid vindicated community has been deleted , I humbly want to inform you that do not AGREE WITH. Firstly Only writer of International recognition to have mentioned the Mythology is Manoranjan Byapari . He is , not was as you have written . He is not promoting Dalit Writing that much . Rather he did not get any publicity though his Autobigraphical Discourse ( not a Novel ) is not about Dalits , rather a discourse about the Oppressed People In General ; unfortunately being a victim of Hindu Apartheid he faced personally many problems , and one of those is Destroy His writing . And what you have written the truth is just the opposite of that , Rather The Dalit Literature Promoted Him. Now neiter Sekhar Badyopadhyay , Nor Joya Chatterjee , nor any Caste Hindu Writer , whose reference is in your list , has mentioned the Mythology , is that a community fault , is that enough reason that for this a Bangla Academy Award winner writer becomes unreliable , although any such past writers , have been used in many India related articles as reliable source , is that him being outcaste , an Avarna , makes his writing , the autobiographical Discourse , an unreliable source ?

I want your permission to use both his writing and another Ph.D thesis of a member of this Avarna community to be permitted being used as reliable source . If the Varna Hindu samaj due to their hatred and Apartheid inherent in their Hindu Religion ignores and omits our mythology , then it is not our fault , and I strongly believe , that the editors should take the discourses written by our community members as reliable source . প্রাকৃতনমঃস্বেজ (talk) 04:49, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

This is an example where an author belonging to a community, writes about the same, and is a clear case of conflict of interest. The source would not be considered as a reliable one in this context. PhD thesis cannot be cited here as WP:RS, please check reliable texts by reputed & neutral authors. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 05:58, 27 July 2017

Reputed and neutral . Hoom !!Will this do ? https://www.morebooks.de/store/gb/book/namassej/isbn/978-613-3-52173-5 প্রাকৃতনমঃস্বেজ (talk) 13:35, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

It would be better if you mention this on the talk page of the article. Sitush is actively involved and can put forward his opinion as well. I shall also check and revert back. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 10:59, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Harichand Thakur /Matua mahasnagha etc and Sipra Mukherjee

The scholar Sipra Mukherjee in her writing has written that In Matuya movement 'Chamar , Mahishya , mali ........ etc." communities joined.I have written In Bengal Not "Chamar" the term is "Muchi/Muchiram" , "Ruhidas" or "Rishidas" etc .Their population is also not much. And the "Chamars' we find in urban Bengal now came mainly from Bihar . But Sipra Mukherjee has written so , got a publisher like elite and so Sitush did not allow and I think you will not also . The upper caste people are changing things in the discourse . Erasing the original myths and etc. It is miserable . In the main book of Mtuya primarily Harichand not acknowledged as "Avatar" but the Mukherjee has so written . You are a Bengali Upper Caste . I do not know about Sitush. But you must be aware of the distortion . The tragedy is that Harilialmrito itself cannot be used as a source book as it has no English Translation and secondly for being not written by a Reliable Person ( Tarak Sarkar , is an untouchable lower caste practically uneducated non-pundit ). I am not asking for any correction . For a suggestion as what could be done?117.194.195.149 (talk) 06:25, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

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Hmm....

See the edit-summary at this edit of mine.Best,∯WBG^converse 14:08, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Winged Blades of Godric, thanks for the note. Regards, Ekdalian (talk) 05:30, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Nath cast

This is wrong information about nath cast i am edit again Naveennath6966 (talk) 03:50, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Hey Naveennath6966, you need to cite reliable and verifiable sources, as per WP:RS and WP:V; otherwise your edits will be reverted. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 07:19, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

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Conduct research before reversing edits

Mr. Ekdalian, me being blocked from Wikipedia won't necessarily cover up or alter the truth. The Kayasthas have been legally accorded Kshatriya status. Do conduct at least SOME research before reversing the edits. Thank you. Regards from Semper Curious Semper Curious (talk) 06:59, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

I am aware of the 'truth', and have done all possible research on the topics I edit. But you need to be aware that we have stick to the policies of Wikipedia, and we can mention only reliably sourced verifiable statements in the articles here. No original research is allowed; read WP:OR. It would be better if you keep your opinion aside for a moment, and check what reliable sources say, especially in this case about the quasi-historical narrative related to the origin of Kulin Kayasthas in Bengal. Hope you understand. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 07:27, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Read the article on Kayastha

Do consult the article on the exact Varna status of Kayasthas.. That Wikipedia has to offer. We don't have our version of truth... But one should not hold himself from accepting the truth Semper Curious (talk) 08:34, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Here's what you demand

The last census of the British Raj in India (1931) classified them as an 'upper caste' i.e. Dwija and the final British Raj law case involving their varna in 1926 placed them into the Kashtriya varna.

According to W.Rowe's account (that later scholars disagreed with), during the British Raj era, certain law cases led to courts classifying Kayasthas as shudras, based largely upon the theories of Herbert Hope Risley who had conducted extensive studies on castes and tribes of the Bengal Presidency. According to Rowe, the Kayasthas of Bengal, Bombay and the United Provinces repeatedly challenged this classification by producing a flood of books, pamphlets, family histories and journals to pressurize the government for recognizing them as Kshatriya and to reform the caste practices in the directions of sanskritisation and westernisation. However, scholars from the University of Berkeley as well as the University of Cambridge have disagreed with Rowe's research by pinpointing 'factual and interpretative errors' in his study as well as criticizing his study for making 'unquestioned assumptions' about the kayastha movement of sanskritisation and westernisation.

H.Bellenoit gives the details of the individual British Raj era law cases and concludes that since the kayasthas are a non-cohesive group and not a single caste, their varna was resolved in the cases that came up by taking into account regional differences and customs followed by that particular caste. Bellenoit also disagrees with W.Rowe by showing that Herbert Hope Risley's theories were in fact used to ultimately classify them as Kshatriyas by the British courts. The first case began in 1860 in Jaunpur, Uttar Pradesh with a property dispute where the plaintiff was considered an 'illegitimate child' by the defendants, a north-Indian Kayastha family. The British court denied inheritance to the child, citing that Kayasthas are Dvija, "twice-born" or "upper-caste" and that the illegitimate children of Dwijas have no rights to inheritance. In the next case in 1875 in the Allahabad High Court, a north Indian Kayastha widow was denied adoption rights as she was an upper-caste i.e. Dwija woman. However, in an 1884 adoption case as well as a 1916 property dispute, Calcutta High Court argued that Bengali kayasthas have started using names like 'Das' and classified the Bengali Kayasthas as shudras - although the court did acknowledge their Kshatriya origin. The Allahabad High Court ruled in 1890 that Kayasthas were Kshatriyas. Finally, in a property dispute case in Patna in 1926, the Patna court characterized both the 1884 and 1916 Calcutta courts rulings as inconclusive and ultimately ruled that the kayasthas were of Kshatriya origin and hence twice born or dwija. The Patna court cited smritis and Puranas, several colonial ethnologists, such as William Crooke and Herbert Hope Risley, and used their qualified endorsements on the dwija origins of Kayasthas. The British census of 1931 also lists Kayasthas as one of the upper (twice-born) castes. Semper Curious (talk) 08:39, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Nath

Plz don't chnage about nath coz nath are high ranked brahmins they are called rudraj brhamins nowadays debnath nath don't get obcs maybe earlier time they got but nowadays they didn't so they are recognized as brhamins.plz sir don't chnage it thus is real don't call a brahmin other backward class Siddy0070 (talk) 06:49, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

We have to follow the policies of Wikipedia, and I have already left a note on your talk page. Ekdalian (talk) 07:20, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

@Ekdalian Hey, I am commenting here since I am not interested in starting a new thread on the similar topic. The Links provided under your edits to "Debnath" do not show any such information. It was raised. Kindly check/verify that yourself and do what is necessary. These two links are devoid of any such mentions. Given your experience with WIKI editing, the due diligence can be done. You do have a coterie of people, it appears, that acts in a concerted manner to prevent editing of any broken links on such topics. I am still assuming it is done in a good faith, given the complexity of the issues. The purpose is not to engage any edit-redit cycle. One needs to place verifiable information. It was not done. Hope you take care of this issue. 131.169.233.226 (talk) 10:19, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

@Ekdalian Hi, I noted that the page "Debnath" has been updated. Thanks for taking the time. But, kindly check the information on the link provided. There is no mention of the surname "Debnath". OBC assignments has been made to Nath only. Do what is justifiable by removing that assignment, if necessary. I did mention that in the previous discussion, which was clearly misinterpreted. Hope you realize the gravity of the issue. Kindly do not conflate the issue between the caste and the reservation listings – a majority of the debate that you are having in this page in related to that. Your previous discussion elsewhere did reflect a fact-based approach. Why get sloppy here – it is incomprehensible. But I do appreciate you taking the time. 131.169.233.226 (talk) 13:08, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Debnath belongs to the same group as Nath and are considered as OBC; the information is correct! Ekdalian (talk) 17:51, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

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Hi Aman Kumar Goel, hope you understand that I am here in Wikipedia for quite a number of years now, and very much of the discretionary sanctions; I have pasted this on others' talk pages, and I keep on fighting with unsourced edits as well as vandalism; therefore it doesn't make much sense to inform me about the same. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 05:34, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Bengali Kayasthas

I included those surnames because they are listed on the same page and because multiple source materials reference these very names.

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Hello Melotown, I understand; and there's no doubt that these are reliably sourced and all. The list is too limited, typically including the surnames of Kulin Kayathas. I had earlier included a list of common Bengali Kayastha surnames here, which was somewhat more inclusive, and reliably sourced; somehow, it is no longer there in the current version. Moreover, I strongly believe that it should not be included in the lead section, even if the list is more inclusive, and may deserve mention in the body of the article. In this case, these surnames are already mentioned later in the article itself. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 05:19, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Ambasth Kayasthas

Hi Ekdalian,

Would like to have a discussion about Ambasth Kayasthas.

I added a few contents which have been edited out by you.

Ambasth kayasthas are not just confined to Bengal. They're widespread in Punjab,Bihar and Jharkhand regions mainly and also in MP,Chattisgarh etc.

Ambasth Kayasthas are Brahmin Kayasthas or Brahm-Kayasthas.

This confusion between Ambasthas and Vaidyas exists only in Bengal and nowhere else. Instead of clubbing the Ambasthas of all regions of India,you should allow to write the truth in wikipedia.

I'd like to know your source which you're using.

The Ambashtha Kayasthas (found chiefly in Southern Bihar), Crooke suggests "may be connected with the old Ambastha caste of Western-Punjab mentioned in the Mahabharata" as some Kayasthas are also associated with the practice of medicine and surgery.[42][32]

Note:You haven't added anything on that page,instead you've intentionally removed the edits made by other users. It's known as vandalism.

Note:Please tell me your source. Dinopce (talk) 12:10, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi Dinopce, let me tell you that I have been fighting against vandalism (on Wikipedia) for years, and not only all my edits are reliably sourced, I revert all unsourced / unreliably sourced statements that I encounter.

Please check the Revision history (older revisions) to find out how I have worked in order to improve the article. Also, do note that the unsourced POV edits by you will amount to vandalism if you continue with the same, but reverting the same is my obligation as a responsible editor. I should have asked you the question you have asked me. Who said that the Ambastha Kayasthas are just confined to Bengal. But, what you think as truth may not be acceptable unless you follow the principles of Wikipedia; you are not supposed to add unsourced content (mostly POV edits), even if you are a Ambastha Kayastha; what you need are reliable & verifiable sources. You may easily go through the links available for the respective sources in the References Section, which will surely answer your question. I am also providing the links, which are as follows:

Link1 [1] Page 45 and Link2 [2] Page 208.

Anyway, please feel free to discuss any constructive edit, or share links supporting your point of view. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 11:22, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello Ekdalian,

I understand your concern about the addition of unsourced POV edits but I added the paragraphs in the introduction section from Ambasth Kayasth book written by K.N Sahay.

It's not merely about providing the reference from where you've taken the information.

You've simply quoted the sentences from the books that you like but when I added the following paragraph,

Barhaspatya Arthashastra-The Ambastha were so important in the early centuries before Christ there is an Ambastha Sutra in the Pali work. "Ambasth here are represented as Brahmins. The Puranas call them Anaya Kshatriyas."

from the K. Sahay book,it was reverted by you.

May I know the reason why??!

Mr. Ekdalian,your article itself is ambiguous.

You've quoted that Ambasthas are from Brahmin father and Vaishya mother and the son begotten by a Brahmin father in all the 3 castes is a Brahmin. Once again,you've quoted this sentence from a book and even provided the reference but you've intertwined the Caste and Varna(categories of Hinduism) here.

Then in the 3rd paragraph you've written about the Ambasth tribe in Mahabharat which clearly makes them Kshatriya.

As a citizen of India and a commoner in front of you(and not an Ambasth Kayasth), it doesn't MAKE ANY SENSE. It clearly seems to me like intentional degradation of a particular community by you,Mr.Ekdalian.

Mere quoting from a book isn't sufficient,it should also make sense.

Anyone who will read your wikipedia page will understand that it's ambiguous.

It's not about being a Kayasth or a Brahmin(caste) and not Varna. Everyone should have the right to add to wikipedia(quick Encyclopedia) but unnecessary degradation of a particular community is what I'm against.

I hope that it's not your intention and I'd like to make further changes in this page Mr.Eklavian. Plz don't use Wikipedia to spread wrong information like this.

Please correct me if I'm wrong but Wikipedia doesn't just require quoted statements only; instead they encourage the usage of adding info in YOUR OWN WORDS.

Dinopce (talk) 16:21, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Last but not the least, there's heaven and hell difference between Brahmin(varna) and Brahman(principle related to the cosmos).

Your article intertwines everything! Brahmin varna,Brahmin caste and Brahman(metaphysical concept of the Brahmaand or universe.

Your references are useless if your article doesn't make any sense.

Mr.Ekdalian or let me put it in a straight forward way,Mr.Bengali Brahmin(caste),plz don't try to defame any particular community.

Note:If that's not your intention and if it's my mistake of judging you wrongly, then I'm sorry that your article made me think that way about you.

Namaste.

Dinopce (talk) 16:32, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Just found one more thing in your article that caught my eye.

The following

"This differentiates the Ambasthas from the average Vaidyas, who were considered "unclean" and were denied the status accorded to the Ambastha.[6]".

Baidya are considered as Bhadralok in Bengal. You've called them as UNCLEAN.

Wikipedia is about writing about something so that the common people who don't have any knowledge about that topic can easily gain knowledge about it.

What you're doing here is not knowledge sharing but misusing your right as an administrator of this page which was clearly created by you to spew false information about Ambasth Kayasthas as whole.

Mr. Bengali Brahmin.

I've got deep respect for Brahmins(priests). I'm a Hindu and this is what my sanskaar teaches me. But your intentions don't seem clear to me!!

You're spewing venom against two communities of Bengal who are considered Bhadralok over there. BAIDYAS are also considered Brahmins only.

Let me give you my perspective without any quotations or references from any book.

The importance of varna or caste for that matter is the trait. It's in our genes!

I already told you about the confusion between Ambasthas and Vaidyas in Bengal but you didn't consider it.

Kayasthas are not the only ones who had mixed blood. Manusmriti is a live example of the Brahmin's misuse of their power. But nobody has written anything against the Brahmins in the Brahmin page.

This entire page is a clear misuse of your adminstrator rights. Nothing more and nothing less!!

Note:You've got administrator rights of this page. Please make judicious use of your power and spread knowledge for the betterment of the society and not to destroy the image of 2 of the communities which are part of your Bengali society specifically.

Namaste Dinopce (talk) 18:51, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Hey Dinopce, most of your statements are assumptions, and hence incorrect. You are a Ambashtha Kayastha yourself, therefore your very first assumption is that the article is about Ambashtha Kayastha. NO. Period. This article is all about the term 'Ambashtha'. This is not "my" article; no one owns any article here, WP:OWN. You are unnecessarily trying to find intentions behind editing this article, but do check my contributions, and you will be able to figure out that I am a neutral editor active here for a pretty long time. I would like to reiterate that this article is all about the term 'Ambashtha', and all reliably sourced statements associated with the term would be accomodated in this article as per WP:NPOV. Since the term is also associated with a sub-caste of Kayasthas, therefore reliable and verifiable (sourced) statements related to Ambashtha Kayasthas have also been incorporated in the article. Please stick to the basics of Wikipedia; would also request you to further continue any constructive discussion on Ambashtha on the article's talk page. Once again, this article is not about the Ambashtha Kayasthas, which is a separate caste / sub-caste altogether. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 06:32, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi Ekdalian,

I've added the paragraph space between the "Ambastha from Brahmin father...." AND "Ambastha also refers to a sub-caste of Kayasthas....".

This was creating a lot of confusion. I hope you'll not revert it this time!!

Also,I have a query.

The Ambashtha Kayasthas (found chiefly in Southern Bihar), Crooke suggests "may be connected with the old Ambastha caste of Western-Punjab mentioned in the Mahabharata" as some Kayasthas are also associated with the practice of medicine and surgery.

What is wrong with my edit above?

I've provided the source and reference as well.

Why

Dinopce (talk) 11:33, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

2nd link is showing error here. Must have missed a letter over there Dinopce (talk) 11:35, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi Dinopce, sorry for the delayed response. The source provided didn't help much. Can you cite a source which mentions that Ambashtha Kayasthas are found mainly in Southern Bihar; then we can rephrase the statement. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 05:22, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

"But Bihar was not the original homeland of the Ambashthas."

What do you understand from the previous sentence? :) Dinopce (talk) 05:32, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Earlier Bihar meant Magadh region of Bihar. The Magadh region falls currently in the Southern-Bihar and Northern Jharkhand region.

Dinopce (talk) 05:35, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Hey Dinopce, I would like to see a reliable source, which categorically mentions 'Southern Bihar', that's how we edit in Wikipedia. Even if you know they are found mainly in Southern Bihar, then also we need a valid source for the same. You are not supposed to synthesize; read WP:SYN. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 05:42, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Ok. Ekdalian. Give me some time.

If I'll not be able to find the South-Bihar part. I'm ready to get it revert to only Bihar which is evident above. Dinopce (talk) 05:52, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

https://books.google.co.in/books?id=MihuAAAAMAAJ&q=South&hl=en

Pg60: It's mentioned South Bihar Dinopce (talk) 06:39, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

yes literally bro ekdalian is writing anything which doesn't make sense The Ambastha referred to in Smriti has got nothing to do with the Ambastha sub-caste of Kayasthas. Ambastha has two meanings. i had edited the page with both perspective but bro reverted everytime Dharmasevak20 (talk) 13:03, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Chitraguptavanshi Kayastha...

Hi@Ekdalian It's regarding this line "The functionality of the Kayasthas, who identified themselves with "Chitragupta and paper-oriented service", was more significant before the 1870s, and historically, their caste status has been ambiguous."

I couldn't see any such thing written in the link that you've provided.

Can you provide the proper link? Dinopce (talk) 09:37, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Hey Dinopce, please go through page no. 42, for which the link has been provided; you should be able to understand. Also, in order to avoid copyright violation, we don't copy paste the content from the text; hope you understand. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 09:46, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi@Ekdalian, Sorry but I couldn't see any such thing that you've wrote. I've used my understanding to the core but even half of what you've written is not written over there.

The page no. 42 text says the following:

"speech,a consumption of goat flesh and a shared affinity for wine.74 And even though Kayastha would not become a caste category until the later nineteenth century,75 what was more significant before the 1870s was the functionality of.... 

No preview available for this page"

How did you write the following from the above line?

"The functionality of the Kayasthas, who identified themselves with "Chitragupta and paper-oriented service", was more significant before the 1870s, and historically, their caste status has been ambiguous"

There's NO MENTION of <Chitragupta,Paper-oriented service,historically their caste status is ambiguous> part. How did you rephrase something which is not there in the book? It's a case of addition of words from OUT OF NOWHERE.

I hope that my questions are neutral!?

Dinopce, I believe, you are checking a different page. Well, it's page 42. Wait, let me quote then. Ekdalian (talk) 11:04, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Got it, not the link you are checking, Dinopce. Use the link in the Reference Section; or else check the link provided below:

https://books.google.co.in/books?id=9TElDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA42

Ekdalian (talk) 11:18, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

No! I clicked the same link. THE PAGE NO.42 IS NOT VISIBLE! After page no.5 ,there's a blank page and then it's showing me page 162.

So,I typed the words "Functionality" in the search this book box present on the left side of this page. It's showing me the words that I've typed above.

What's the following link showing you?

https://books.google.co.in/books?id=9TElDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA42#v=snippet&q=functionality&f=false

If you use the above link, which you have provided, then you have to click on page 42, if it appears (it is appearing when I am clicking on your link). Otherwise, you may change your internet connection, and click on the link I have provided. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 11:52, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

My INTERNET CONNECTION IS VERY FAST. If I'll download a movie,it'll download in 15-20 mins. Ok. Let me check from another device.

No! I checked from other devices as well. Changed my internet connection as well and then opened the links again. Page no. 42 is not visible after that. How can you see something that I can't?

Dinopce, let me quote the para from page 42. "There were further dimensions to Kayasthas' complex and ambiguous caste status. The Ain-i-Akbari may have listed Kayasthas as a 'caste', ................ And even though 'Kayastha' would not become a caste category until the later nineteenth century, what was more significant before the 1870s was the functionality of this looser group of pensmen who identified with Chitragupta and paper-oriented service. Though not framed in nineteenth-century debates, Kayasthas' varna status was, even in the Mughal period, difficult to define - whether they were twice-born (dvija) ........" Ekdalian (talk) 12:46, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Ok. Leave it. I'll ask other editors or admins whether they can see it or not. Dinopce (talk) 12:48, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) just ftr, I can verify that the quote is correctly reproduced – that is exactly what the book says. --bonadea contributions talk 16:40, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Ok. So you can see that @bonadea? No idea as to why I can't see that.

Hi, guys. Dinopce, one of the big problems with Google Books is that not everybody sees the same things. It depends on which part of the world you're in, and other things too. Please see User:Uncle G/On common Google Books mistakes, especially [3]. Bishonen | tålk 09:22, 20 April 2020 (UTC).

Ok. Thanks Bishonen.

Sock attack

Can I interest you in semiprotection of this page for a few days, Ekdalian? Bishonen | tålk 19:52, 20 April 2020 (UTC).

Yes please, Bishonen. Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 05:44, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Done, 3 days. Bishonen | tålk 09:45, 21 April 2020 (UTC).

A kitten for you!

You are most welcome.

Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:58, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, @Fylindfotberserk. Ekdalian (talk) 13:55, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi, is this addition correct? You are knowledgeable in this topic area, so I asked . - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 19:04, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

No, this is simply a POV edit meant to promote the Vaidya/Baidya caste; I have just reverted the edits. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 19:14, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Last Warning for Vandalism !

Don't Create obstacle to add content to Sen (surname) and don't vandalism! Dr.SunBD (talk) 20:55, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Read WP:NOTVAND. You have been warned earlier & probably blocked as well. Think before you write on my talk page. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 18:53, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

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I thank you so much for your recent work on the Karanam (caste) page. I really needed you. I had been deeply saddened by the vandalism there. Wish you joy and peace! Ayushsinha2222 (talk) 19:11, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

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See now Ambattan

Sir, dont delete Ambattan details. I try to put best data only. Waked Bold Ambushed (talk) 11:40, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Sir help me improve the Ambashtha details including Ayurvedic, Tamilnadu and Sri Lanka. Waked Bold Ambushed (talk) 17:14, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

April 2021

Hello, I'm Heba Aisha. I noticed that you recently removed content without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. If you have source regarding any case with counter verdict, bring it we can balance. For Your concern about lead, I have created a seperate section and also see WP:HSC, which the quote source fails, so I reverted it. Heba Aisha (talk) 19:21, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Also,Raj era source are unreliable and not directly used but if a third party source interprets them, then the latter source could be used. Your revert hence is contentious. Heba Aisha (talk) 19:36, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello Heba Aisha, first of all, I believe I have provided adequate explanation in the edit summary while editing; now, whether you agree or not is entirely different; all of us are expected to be logical and neutral while editing. And coming to the Raj era source, yes, interpretations by modern day authors are acceptable, while blind quoting is equivalent to the content of the Raj era source only. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 08:21, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Brother, happy to see that you didn't reverted and added something more. The present version is acceptable as puts all view together. Basically, last one had one view only. Happy editing. Heba Aisha (talk) 12:36, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Kindly dont remove my edits in kumhar

Kindly don't remove my deletion in kumhar state division. Prajapati and kumhar not added in SC so far. So till that there is no need of adding that particular inclusion list new in community page.

Let me know if we need to have a detail conversation

Thanks in advance. Tamilan pugal (talk) 16:26, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Can we not report Heba Aisha?

Hello, we have all seen what Heba Aisha is doing to articles on communities. Can we not bring in admin's attention? Do we have no way to stop her motivated disrupting editing? I am sure we can do something together. Ayushsinha2222 (talk) 10:33, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Should we need to follow Manusmriti?

Are you still believe in Manusmriti? Even Indian govt not following that in now a days.

Kindly let me know detail conversation. Tamilan pugal (talk) 20:32, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Ekdlian - I have deleted Sudra Varna in this page. I know some people in India still following manusmriti. I think this is not a page to protarit them as a Shudra. Reason why i deleted this content is , they will feel bad after visiting this page. Even Wikipedia not protariting them in a good way.

So Kindly don't revert that content without my knowledge.

Looking forward for your response Tamilan pugal (talk) 21:19, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Tamilan pugal, is the article on Kumhar an exception? All other caste articles including upper castes like Baidya & all mention them as Shudras as per reliable sources, though this is historical information only, and may have no relevance nowadays. So, if other caste can feel bad about it, do you think your caste is special, and caste members shouldn't feel bad about it, right? And let us follow our policies on Wikipedia, it's not just Manusmriti, but other sources mention the same as well. So, I must say that stop this POV removal, or else you may be blocked from further editing for edit warring; the article may also be protected from such POV edits, if required. Ekdalian (talk) 18:54, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Sure. I just checked other pages as well.Thank you for make me understand. Tamilan pugal (talk) 19:42, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Topic - The Ghoshal page

Hi, first of all, you learn about the title - Ghoshal. And then you do edits. It is already written in other pages that Ghoshal title is a Brahmin title. Professionalwriter1 (talk) 13:54, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Hey Professionalwriter1, I guess you are new here. I don't need to learn, I know what I am doing. I am here for years, and aware of my responsibilities. I have asked for reliable source(s), otherwise anyone will remove it. Read WP:RS & WP:V first before writing on my talk page. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 14:57, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Okay, wait for some time and I will give some reliable sources to let others know that Ghosal is a brahmin title. Professionalwriter1 (talk) 15:47, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

The Dutta Page

Hi * Ekdalian, Before removing my edits on the Dutta page, first try to learn about the title- Dutta. Many of the people don't know about the title Dutta correctly. You are also one of them. Dutta is my title and I think that as Dutta is my title, I know a lot more about my title than you know. So try learning about the title Dutta from various sites before removing other's edits. From,

• Professionalwriter1 Professionalwriter1 (talk) 07:29, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Hi Professionalwriter1, I am editing caste articles for years and have years of experience and studies; but that's not the point here. Because Dutta is your surname, you are constantly involved in what we call here as disruptive edits only having a single objective of glorifying the same, be it by removing a valid wikilink or tampering with sourced content, like you did in the article on Kulin Kayastha. We deal with people like you regularly, therefore we can easily identify your motives. If you continue with your unconstructive edits on Wikipedia, I shall issue an official warning on your talk page, and you may then be blocked from further editing if you still continue. Please take this seriously. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 14:56, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

• Your page is quite the honeypot, Ekdalian. I have warned the user. Bishonen | tålk 17:26, 30 May 2021 (UTC).

• • Thank you so much, Bishonen! Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 18:16, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Okay, so I have replied to *Bishoen yesterday that from now I will no longer do any kinds of edits in this Wikipedia page. Thank you. Professionalwriter1 (talk) 06:34, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Probable Vandalism in Ambastha page

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Bengali Brahmin

Stop reverting it. Nadia Raj family is descendant of Bhattanarayan. Bengali Brahmins are traditionally followers of Shakti Kalikula tradition.

refer this http://www.mainstreamweekly.net/article5882.html

Then do the necessary.

Hey IP editor, where is it mentioned that he was a Brahmin? Wikipedia is not about your knowledge/POV; reliable & verifiable sources are required for such claims. Also, do cite a WP:RS, along with page no. & url, which supports your statement "Bengali Brahmins are traditionally followers of Shakti Kalikula tradition"; read WP:V. Please be aware that there are discretionary sanctions in place for caste related articles, & especially the way you have reverted edits without discussions; you may be blocked if you continue like this. Further, for all article related discussions, use the article talk page, this is not the right place. Ekdalian (talk) 08:27, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I see several related IPs making the same edits and edit warring, so I have semiprotected the article rather than blocking the IP range, which is fairly large. Bishonen | tålk 08:44, 14 August 2021 (UTC).

Thank you so much, Bishonen. We are really fortunate that we have an admin like you. Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 10:12, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

There are enough sources available. I even provided the references. It is quite annoying the way you guys are subduing relevant sources.

Hello Ekdalian, why are traditional accounts removed from this page? What can be done?Mikemarssss (talk) 15:39, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello Mikemarssss, the reason/wikilink has already been shared with you on other talk pages. But don't worry, I will add reliable & properly sourced content when I get some time. We will come up with a better article. Ekdalian (talk) 18:46, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Ok.Thanks Ekdalian. Mikemarssss (talk) 08:49, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Comment left for change on Chitraguptavanshi Kayastha Page

"Completely unsourced; editors active on this page are so keen to establish the Brahmin link that they have not mentioned a single line about their actual social status, which is quite high indeed."

Hello, I thank you for your changes on the page. However, I didn't get what you wanted to convey through the last non-identifying relative clause of your sentence, that is, "which is quite high indeed". I will be grateful to you if you cast light on it a little here. Moreover, I request you to build the page. Your contributions will get the page stabler. Advaita2222 (talk) 16:32, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello Advaita2222, regarding this part of my statement, I meant that the North Indian Kayasthas have quite high social status, and we should include the same citing reliable sources. Yes, in spite of paucity of time, I shall definitely look for reliable sources, and try to improve the article as & when I get some time. Thanks for writing to me regarding the article. Ekdalian (talk) 19:01, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

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Thank you for the email, Bishonen. I completely agree with what you have said. Thanks, once again! Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 18:13, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Gaming the system

Hi again, Ekdalian. I have partial-blocked Sketan from Chitraguptavanshi Kayastha for gaming the autoconfirmed requirements. See my comment on their page. Bishonen | tålk 19:42, 2 October 2021 (UTC).

My goodness!! They seem to go to any extent, previously two sock accounts were created just in order to abuse me!! Thank you so much, Bishonen. Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 05:39, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

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Vaidyabrahmin

Ekdalian, I speedied Vaidyabrahmin per your A10 nomination, but then discovered that it wasn't a recently created article, so A10 does not apply. I've recreated it and turned it into a redirect to Baidya instead. Bishonen | tålk 08:02, 25 November 2021 (UTC).

Got it Bishonen; it should be a recently created one only in order to qualify for A10. Thank you so much; the redirect would serve the purpose. Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 09:01, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

I'm glad you think it will. I just warned Dr.SunBD against even thinking of changing it back. Bishonen | tålk 09:03, 25 November 2021 (UTC).

Update: Son of a gun! He hasn't technically reverted my redirect; he has just recreated the article under a different name, Vaidya Brahman. That's the last straw. Bishonen | tålk 13:03, 25 November 2021 (UTC).

Ha ha, my goodness!! Basically, some of these caste glorifiers become maniacs, and they can simply go to any extent, and he seems to be the perfect example. Thanks again for the update and your prompt action, Bishonen. Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 14:24, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi Bishonen, would request you to protect the article on Vaidyabrahmin & if possible my talk page from obvious sock puppetry. Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 18:03, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

I think, you may wait & watch whether this vandalism persists, or else whatever you think would be appropriate. Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 18:40, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Wait? Ha, no, not when our friend has flamed out like this. Wage sects was blocked as NOTHERE by another admin; I changed it to sock of Dr.SunBD, per WP:DUCK. And semi'd your page for a few days; let me know if problems persist later. Bishonen | tålk 20:15, 25 November 2021 (UTC).

Thank you once again, Bishonen. Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 05:09, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Opinion

When you get chance, can you please look at below link to provide your opinion there please? [4] MehmoodS (talk) 01:33, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, MehmoodS; I have added my opinion in the relevant discussion page. Ekdalian (talk) 06:35, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Happy new era

Your friend Bishzilla and all her socks wish you a happy and healthy new Jurassic era! Bishonen | tålk 08:32, 31 December 2021 (UTC).

Thank you so much, Bishonen! Wishing you a truly happy & prosperous new year. Ekdalian (talk) 16:06, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Help needed for recent changes in Charan page

Hi. The user: RegentsPark has advised me to ask for your help. See the last discussion on his talk page under title: "About recent changes on Charan page" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RegentsPark The issue is regarding the proper usage of verses of mythological texts like Ramayana & Mahabharata. I have written & tried to provide explanation on the talk page of RegentsPark. Please see the discussion. I hope you agree to help me on this issue. Thank you. Happy New Year. Krayon95 (talk) 19:16, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Sure, Krayon95, I shall check the article and related details soon. Happy New Year to you too. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 09:46, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Regarding Brahmin

Hi, Why did you revert my removal. It is just his imagination. It is evident that Chanakya born in 375 BC. How do you justify this. He is against Hindu and part of Anti-Hindu group. How can we take his book as reference. Please go through best research book The Human Record: Sources of Global History, Volume I: To 1500 (this says about Brahmins during 700 BC), i also have many references. These things cannot be concluded like this. So, we should remove it. Moreover he is a Periar follower, Anti-Hindu, and Anti-Brahmin. He wrote many things like this in his books.- MRRaja001 ^(talk) 07:53, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Hey User:MRRaja001, as per WP:NPOV, all points of view from reliable sources must be incorporated in the article; they could be contradictory as well. Moreover, in this case, the statement is attributed to the author, which clearly indicates that it is the author's point of view. If you can use the talk page of the article or WP:RSN to arrive at a logical consensus that the author/source is unreliable, then only the statement can be removed. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 09:37, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Sure, I'll discuss about this in talk page. Thanks - MRRaja001 ^(talk) 19:52, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Need help on Jaiswal (surname)

A user Swapnil1101 constantly adding spams or poorly sourced content at Jaiswal (surname), with a single objective of glorifying caste. As per WP:RS, India TV, The Times of India, Dainik Bhaskar, Navbharat times and matrimonial sites (jeevansathi.com) are not considered reliable for history/caste related details. But the user Swapnil1101 kept on adding these sources which was already removed by me and one administrator. Also the user directly added level 3 warning on my talk page for a single revert. As you are a senior editor and I have seen your contributions in South Asian history. Your input would be highly appreciable in this article. Thanks and regards. Dr.Pinsky (talk) 11:03, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

There is no objective of Gloryfying Caste. Most of the Citation were made to prove why they were degraded to low caste(vaishya). and you cheery picked my citations. I also included citation from official government sources(Report form 'West Bengal Government) that they are liquor makers and it seems you also don't have time to read my further references of book written by anthropologist K.S. Singh. All you are doing is revert by javascripts without using brain because you have Phd. degree from Denmark. Thanks Swapnil1101 (talk) 11:22, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Swapnil1101, please stay calm and civil while commenting, do not make personal remarks. Thanks. Dr.Pinsky (talk) 07:35, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Hey Dr.Pinsky, I have cleaned up the article for now. Swapnil1101, you need to cite modern scholarly sources by reliable authors. I shall try to find such sources as well for the article. Thanks! Ekdalian (talk) 18:19, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks a ton Ekdalian. Best regards. Dr.Pinsky (talk) 07:35, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks and Regrads Ekdalian. Swapnil1101 (talk) 08:06, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello

Hi,I pinged you at sadgop talk page but you didn't respond.Please help me to find the source is WP:RS or not.opinion from an admin can also be helpful.thanks. Nobita456 (talk) 08:32, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello Nobita456, I have already reverted their edits. You seem to have added another source as well, and now it looks fine in my opinion. Ekdalian (talk) 12:49, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments,I just wanted to know is the source Mitra is reliable or not?? Nobita456 (talk) 13:00, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Yes. Ekdalian (talk) 13:07, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

ThanksNobita456 (talk) 13:29, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Recent edits on Charan page

Hi, User: Ekdalian. Thank you for the correction regarding recent edits on the Charan page. It would be great if we can discuss beforehand if you have some issues or concerns about any changes. Since you are not familiar(assuming) with this social group, I understand if you find something strange in the article as I would be glad to explain those changes or help with the citations & sources. And I did add the term 'pastoralist' since it seemed important as you highlighted it yourself. Thanks.Krayon95 (talk) 12:02, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Vandalism by Nobita456

Dear @Ekdalian, I thank you so much for all your contributions to all those pages. I am sure that there are many more people grateful to you for all your wonderful contributions. I have always had great deference for you.

I want to bring your attention to some of the recent edits made by a user named Nobita456; the edits plausibly are with a view to maligning the caste status of a single caste as the user belong to another caste from the same region. I request you to bring admin attention to this edit-warring as well, if possible.

I have been indebted to you for all your wonderful work so far. May peace and bliss be your abode forever! Advaita2222 (talk) 20:50, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much, Advaita2222. I have already brought it to the attention of admins! Let's see! Stay blessed. Ekdalian (talk) 07:14, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Nobita has asked me to post this: "I unreservedly apologize to Ekdalian for suggesting he was being racist, and I will not make such accusations again. Nobita456 (talk) 6:09 pm, Yesterday (UTC+0)" Doug Weller talk 13:27, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much, Doug Weller for the initiative! Thanks, Nobita456. Ekdalian (talk) 13:38, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

About Ghosal Surname

All my forefathers surname was ghosal as far i know.They all are belong to Namasudra Community. How much you want to see Namasudra Ghosal.If you are in doubt, come to my area... I have never said that the title Ghosal does not belong to Brahmin...Roy,Majumder,Halder,Bagchi,,, all those surname is among the Brahmins...But lower caste people also use those surname.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ghosal11 (talk • contribs) 12:06, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Hey Ghosal11, it's not about whether I believe you or not or whether your ancestors have been using the surname. As per our policies, you can add sourced content only; please read WP:RS and WP:V. Hope you understand! Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 12:57, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Gupta

Hi, it is regarding this edit. There is no URL so can't verify. Is this OK? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:11, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Fylindfotberserk, thanks for pointing it out. I have checked, and removed the unsourced content (failed verification). Ekdalian (talk) 17:19, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks man . - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:20, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Das article

Hi, it is regarding this edit. Here atleast, the IP expaliend in the edit summary that Das are used by other communities of Bengal. Obviously, it doesn't warrant removal of the word Bengal from it, can you find RS sources that says the surname is used by Kayasthas of Bengal. I was unable to find any. Thanks. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:08, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Done, Fylindfotberserk. Ekdalian (talk) 18:15, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:21, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Suvarna Banik

Hi there, Ekdalian, hope you're doing well. The article Suvarna Banik may contain original research. Would you mind having a look. Thanks. Dr.Pinsky (talk) 20:18, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Checked thoroughly & modified some parts. Thanks, Dr.Pinsky! Ekdalian (talk) 12:01, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. Much appreciated. Dr.Pinsky (talk) 14:48, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

I believe you might like to see these changes [5] that are largely unsourced with a POV, also these poor edits. - 117.201.115.163 (talk) 11:16, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

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Thank you so much, Dr.Pinsky! Stay blessed. Ekdalian (talk) 17:35, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Teli

Sir, I had already informed you about the sourced content but again you revert the information which i shared before , i belong to this caste and know much more then anyone else about this subject, i didn't make much changes but only add some incomplete information about the topic which i get though reading books. Again i want to say that you are senior and experienced editor , im giving you proper respect but thrust me I want to share only relevant information with our users — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vishvesh Rathore (talk • contribs) 17:06, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Teli

Sir, I had already informed you about the source and i have much more information about the subject if you want, i belong to this caste and have sufficient information about it. I don't know why you are in favour of spreading fake and incomplete information , if somebody want to share something and shared you information about the subject so atleast you can thrust on him/her. You are senior then me,you can guide me about the editing since im rookie in it but im in favour of spreading right and complete information. Vishvesh Rathore (talk) 17:21, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Hey Vishvesh Rathore, Wikipedia is not about what you think as right! That being said, I will assume good faith and check the same. Since you belong to the caste, as mentioned above, though there would be COI, but I shall weigh the source as a neutral editor here. Do share the complete details of the source (author, publisher, url, page numbers, etc.) on the article talk page; we need to check whether the same is a WP:RS & verify as well as per WP:V. Hope you understand, Wikipedia follows certain policies; we need to adhere to the same. Ekdalian (talk) 18:12, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Karana-Kayastha connection

This is to inform you that a discussion regarding the Karana-Kayastha connection is going on in WP:DRN. You are requested to express your concerns here. Thanks. Regards, Satnam2408 (talk) 15:22, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Please check this

A recent change was made here. Since you have edited the article before, I think you should see this. 117.201.113.99 (talk) 16:54, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

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Thank you so much! Wishing you a very happy & prosperous new year, Bishzilla! Ekdalian (talk) 17:39, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

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Thanks, Dr.Pinsky. Wishing you a very happy & prosperous new year!Ekdalian (talk) 17:44, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

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[6], I thought you might be interested. Dr.Pinsky (talk) 18:41, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

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Thank you so much, LukeEmily! Wishing you a very happy & prosperous new year! Thanks for being here & all your contributions. Ekdalian (talk) 06:37, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Recent Edit on Khandayat page

Hi, You reverted all edits in Khandayat page without giving any solid reason. All the information are backed with reliable sources. You're free to examine the sources and change the edits as per Wikipedia guidelines. Sitush didn't revert any of my edits because all info are backed by legit sources. My revert was based on the edits of a suck-puppet Id Blissfulbeing. Can you please take a look on your actions ? Peacepks (talk) 12:17, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

No worries, Peacepks! Not only I am going to devote more time, I am also going to request other experienced editors to get involved. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 14:15, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. It's always better to improve any page with discussion and suggestions. Peacepks (talk) 14:31, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Don't revert every info and reliable sources. You are free to change any info or source which according to you is poor sources. I think Wikipedia policy don't allow anyone to remove reliable sources. Anything which is backed by multiple reliable sources shouldn't be deleted at all. At best you can add other POV but can't remove whole info. Can you please mention any Wikipedia policy which justify your action ? Thanks Peacepks (talk) 18:22, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Peacepks, hope you understand that the revert is meant to improve the article. My action is justified by the fact that multiple experienced editors on caste/social group related articles (including myself) have expressed concerns regarding poor quality sources and caste glorification (mentioned by Sitush as well). Don't worry, we will come up with a better and reliable version of the article; it may take some time but I am examining each & every source from your version! Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 18:36, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

No problem. I can understand your concern. However, Sitush didn't deleted any of my edit after my clarification which you can read in my talk page as well. I have added every Pov which isn't caste glorification at all. Regarding poor sources you're free to remove them according to Wikipedia Policy. Kautilya also said the same thing regarding the social status of Khandayats in talk page. Hope we will improve the page with better discussion. Thank you Peacepks (talk) 18:46, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Your recent edit on Khandayat page violate WP:WEIGHT (You had given more weightage to a single source while ignoring multiple sources) and WP:CONFLICTINGSOURCES (By preferring old source as first reference while ignoring new sources) Please Stop these type of regular violation. Previously you had removed Kyoto University Press source by calling it Unreliable source.Peacepks (talk) 20:57, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Will respond on the article talk page! Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 06:46, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Your recent revert on page Arora

Hi there. It seems there is undue weightage on Arya Samaj and its beliefs on the page since the page is not about Arya Samaj. Also, the long paragraph, followed by the quote, is from one source only. For these reasons, can you please reconsider your revert on the page? Many thanks. Nirmohiji (talk) 15:57, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello Nirmohiji, thanks for sharing your concern! Honestly speaking, I believe the statement is okay since it is clearly attributed to the author! If you want, you may rephrase the same, but I am not in favour of removal. Ekdalian (talk) 19:27, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Early reference section on Rajput article

Although sources seems reliable, but I don't think the various reference to word "Rajputra" in early texts is in reference to Rajput caste. It was a title used in different ancient kingdoms and i think Dympies has collected all that stuff together to link it with Rajput people. Tagging LukeEmily. Admantine123 (talk) 16:56, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Admantine123, Its a popular opinion among scholars that Rajput is a corrupt form of Sanskrit term Rajputra and for this reason only, we have the term Rajputra redirecting to Rajput and Rajputra mentioned in the very lead line of Rajput page. The slight change of terminology from Sanskrit to Prakrit derivatives like Pali, Apabhraṃśa, Abahattha, Hindi or Rajasthani is well known and its not a rocket science for scholars to understand how Sanskrit rajputra became Hindi rajput but it seems that it has become a way too big deal for you and LukeEmily. Dympies (talk) 17:17, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

I agree with LukeEmily and Admantine123. And I would suggest Dympies to initiate a discussion in the article talk page if you really believe you can establish your point (mentioned above) citing truly reliable sources. Thanks! Ekdalian (talk) 18:17, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Dispute resolution regarding Vedic analysis of Vaidyas being Brahmins

Dispute resolution started. Anybody interested can follow. Anirban Kolkata (talk) 09:25, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard/request

This is the link of the Dispute resolution. Anirban Kolkata (talk) 09:36, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Have a look

Have a look at this change. Is it sourced? I'm unable to verify it. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:47, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Reverted. Thanks Fylindfotberserk for posting on my talk page! Ekdalian (talk) 07:44, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Shasan and gotra of Brahmins

Gaur(shasan) is a upper identity of north West Indian brahmins but our original gotra is from brahmin Rishis .vasishtha, bhardwaj, atri,kaushik,shandilya brahmarishis etc. are our surnames! The original gotra of Indian brahmins is from Rishi! gaur, trivedi, tivari, shukla, sarswat, iyer, iyenger etc. this is just a top identity but their origin root identity is brahman rishi' gotra 103.206.177.82 (talk) 10:16, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Please provide reliable sources for the same, as per WP:RS & WP:V. Ekdalian (talk) 11:30, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Now what is its source? I myself a *Vasishtha* gaur brahmin from Haryana Rohtak, and my relatives live till Haryana Chandigarh, mostly gaur brahmins use Rishi gotra here, Gaur is just a shasan/upper identity of haryanavi brahmins - mostly gaur brahmins used haryana their root rishi gotra surname 103.206.177.82 (talk) 13:06, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not accept such verbal discussions! We need verifiable sources/texts by reliable authors, as mentioned above. Ekdalian (talk) 13:30, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

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Thanks, Satnam2408. I am really glad that you are doing great as a comparatively new editor! I appreciate your contributions in the article on Kulinism. Ekdalian (talk) 17:42, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Nobita created another sock to post to my talk page,

Now reverted and blocked. Doug Weller talk 17:38, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Doug Weller! Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 06:58, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Sundhi

@Ekdalian Sir, you are senior than me but it doesn't mean that you can just ignore the fact and the reality.. because of you people's our society is getting misleading.. when you don't have proper knowledge... then you should atleast have a proper research on that.... Listen sir I belong to this caste only if you want proof than i can provide you with my caste certificate also, which is directly made by government... Sir a caste never be Dalit and OBC at same time. then I can provide you with government Sources where it is clearly mentioned that Sundhi caste is a Sub caste of Bania... I can give you best clearly in it... You can't even say sundhi as dalit... it is proper vaishya caste according to government. I don't think that you are from India or here that's why you don't know about caste system of india and dalits. It's my request PLEASE DON'T MISGUIDE the peoples have a proper clearly and research. Raj Hanse (talk) 04:23, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Raj Hanse, I have been editing caste articles here for more than 10 years. I have nothing personal against you or 'Sundhi'! I have been following the talk page discussions; that's the reason I have reverted your edit; please achieve consensus on the article talk page. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 07:54, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

@Ekdalian I appreciate you sir... but no one to ready to accept that... even when they can't counter they simpley Don't reply.. even I mention them then also.. Sir, tere are so many individual wow are against the article written in "Sundhi" page... you can Check that also.. but sir when we are providing them with the accurate govt. Source I don't know what is their problem... that they are just refusing that...

You seems to be sincere person...

I request you just check that one our government is not stupid...

Just check it once sir. It's okay don't trust me...

But please verify it once Sir Raj Hanse (talk) 08:25, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

@Ekdalian Sir,

Even i used the talk page also, but they are simply ignoring that... even the creator of that page also told them and may editor...

Sir, everyone can't be wrong.

Even our government..

It's not fair sir I'm sure you don't belong to India... that's why you are telling this..

If you have proper knowledge then you would never publish this.

People have their faith in Wikipedia please don't break it.

This "Dalit" word is misleading us and creating unidentity within our society sir.. i know the ground reality.. so i request please have a proper research... A "dalit" can't be OBC. There's is no logic in this article. Raj Hanse (talk) 08:33, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Okay, Raj Hanse; I shall go through the discussion on the article talk page (though experienced editors are already there), and respond there by tomorrow! Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 13:58, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

@Ekdalian yeah thank you so much atleast come to a conclusion Raj Hanse (talk) 15:58, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

@Ekdalian Sir please join that page as you seems sensible person..

That page need you support sir Raj Hanse (talk) 18:24, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Speedy delition

Since you are here for past ten years, i believe you possess much better knowledge than me about wiki policies. Do you think articles like those in this category Category:Unsolved murders in India fulfill the criteria for Speedy delition? Unsolved murder related articles are a notable topic for Wikipedia. Is it fair to call them an attack page, because the accused is a living person. I never read anything in any policy.-Admantine123 (talk) 12:13, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Admantine123, honestly speaking, I have never seen any such policy! We can post the same in WP:INB and seek the opinion of others. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 14:29, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

AFDs

Hello, Ekdalian,

I've noticed in some of your comments in deletion discussions, you say "seems to", like "seems to meet GNG" or "seems notable". These comemnts say to me as I'm closing a discussion that you don't really know and you don't have a strong opinion on what happens. So, it's kind of like saying nothing at all.

I'd like to encourage you to really investigate the sources in an article under discussion and take a position without qualification. It you truly believe a particular source establishes GNG for an article subject state that. Don't hedge your bets. If you think notability isn't evident, then argue for that position. Same goes for Redirect, Merge or Draftify opinions. Deletion discussions are about presenting arguments for particular outcomes based on the quality of the sources and your own knowledge of Wikipedia policy. So, be more confident in that knowledge or skip that discussion and look at a different AFD where you might have a stronger sense of what should happen.

Thank you though for participating in AFDs, we have a definite shortage of editors willing to put in the time to review articles and your involvement is appreciated. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:44, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Hey Liz, please note that 'seems to' was just a way of expressing my opinion! I was pretty much confident about my opinion though, and have expressed my opinion only after carefully going through the sources; I am sorry if it meant ambiguity for you and others. I shall avoid this form of language in future! Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 07:58, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

If you are interested

List of Brahmins is using many WP:SPS and dubious website to determine the caste of a person, which are definitely not WP:RS. An example is this [7]. In past Sitush has removed some entries and now i removed others. In case you get time, you may assist us in clean-up. Admantine123 (talk) 18:07, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Sure Admantine123, will check the article and add it to my watchlist. Thanks for your message. Ekdalian (talk) 18:14, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Baran

Hi, it is regarding these edits, most of the sources are unrelaible and surname list unsourced, the Rajastahn part is sourced but outside the scope of the article, hence have to be removed. This is likely a sockpuppet. I've started an SPI case here. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 20:19, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Fylindfotberserk; I have cleaned up the article! Ekdalian (talk) 08:04, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Ambastha Kayastha

Hey Ekdalian Sir, I noticed that you reverted my edit made on the article Ambastha Kayasthas. I would like to ask that why did you revert that edit as the article Chitraguptavanshi Kayastha clearly states that Ambashtha Kayastha is obviously upper caste. I would also like to request you that please don't do disruption to any edits for no reason made by fellow editors, specially the valid edits. Thanks {:-) TheProEditor11 (talk) 15:06, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Hey TheProEditor11, I am here for 10+ years fighting against disruptive editing, vandalism, POV pushing, sockpuppetry, etc! If you want to add the term 'upper caste', you may add in the body (not lede), along with relevant source mentioning the same. But my concern is that the major part of your edit, which I reverted, was tampering with sourced content! Do not change sourced content even if you have knowledge regarding the same; that amounts to WP:OR; you can modify or add content only after citing reliable and verifiable sources! We are pretty strict about that; also please be aware that caste articles fall under contentious topics, and editors, who fail to adhere to these best practices, may be blocked or sanctioned. Hope you understand. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 18:16, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

I know, I am also fighting for vandalism, disruptive editing, etc but you always revert all edits whether they are cited, uncited, wrong, right. That's what I am saying... You have more experience than me.. I am Sorry if you were hurt by my message but I also get furious and confused when someone reverts something for no reason. Sorry and Thanks :) TheProEditor11 (talk) 02:36, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Ambastha Kayastha

Hey Ekdalian, Since you are an experienced editor here, I need a help from you regarding the article Ambastha. Actually, Ambastha Kayasthas follow a system of Khas Ghar which is the Gharana of any person belonging from the Ambastha sub-caste of Chitraguptavanshi Kayastha (Some Gharanas are - Chargave, Pachgave, Daraad, Jamuar, Okhandiar, Rukhaiyar etc). The concern is that the abovementioned thing is correct but I cannot find a good source of the same. Can you please help me to find the source and edit the same? TheProEditor11 (talk) 12:15, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Sure, TheProEditor11; I shall try to find reliable sources for the same, and add relevant sourced content once I find the source(s). Ekdalian (talk) 12:32, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

@Ekdalian... Any update on my help request? Did you find any source(s) related to aforesaid statements? TheProEditor11 (talk) 12:21, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

No, sorry. I have not given up though, and will let you know in case I find any such source! Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 16:10, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, TheProEditor11, I have tried my best but failed to find reliable sources regarding the same! I have tried to find English sources only: you may check reliable Hindi sources. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 12:42, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Ok, No problem! Can you please share reliable Hindi sources? TheProEditor11 (talk) 03:19, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Sorry TheProEditor11, you need to search! I am done with the English sources. Please keep in mind that the author must be a reliable one as per WP:HISTRS and the publisher must be proper one. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 07:02, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Recent socks

Glad they were caught. The only good thing is that I found that we are using Booksclinic, which brags about being India's biggest self-publishing house, as a source. I've deleted some but not all. I really came here about this editor[8] who seems to have been created solely to revert the socks. Strange. [9] has made a real mess. You probably haven't run across them but I don't know if I can fix it all. I've contacted some others to help also. Doug Weller talk 08:36, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Since Arjayay is taking care of the article move issues, I have tried to revert most of their edits, especially the current ones! I would be glad if I can help clean up the mess, Doug Weller! Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 13:55, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I hate socks. Doug Weller talk 15:33, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Doug Weller, I hate socks as well! User Aditya Prakash-080 seems to be a sock of Rakesh Kumar Vats, both accounts trying to promote Bhumihar caste, active on the article talk page since the article is protected! Please have a look at this edit where one is rectifying the typo by the other user! User page of Rakesh Kumar Vats has been used to promote/glorify the caste as well. Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 07:14, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, CU doesn't turn anything up. Doug Weller talk 12:59, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much, Doug Weller! Ekdalian (talk) 13:28, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Gramanya Talkpage

It came as a total shock to me that I had reverted your content.I have never deleted talkpage content for any articles so it is baffling. I could only think of carelessness on my part or somebody may have hacked my account. I hope it is probably the former. My apologies.Regards.Jonathansammy (talk) 18:00, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

It's okay. Thanks Jonathansammy for the clarification! Ekdalian (talk) 13:58, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

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Hey, Ekdalian, I wish you a happy and prosperous New Year. May the year bring you and your loved ones good fortune, health, wealth, and success. Thank you. — Satnam₂₄₀₈^(talk) 12:28, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi Satnam2408, thanks a lot! Wishing you and your family a Happy & Prosperous New Year 2024. Ekdalian (talk) 13:12, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

RE: your reversion on Saraswat Brahmin

Hello fellow traveller. I logged on to see that you reverted my edit to Saraswat Brahmin and I am curious, mainly with regards to some of the terminology you used.

The edit in question:

• [Jan 7, 2024, 13:59] - Ekdalian (talk · contribs) - ("Such edits require consensus on talk page; Khare is unreliable; Skanda Puran Marathi version) is a primary source typically used for caste promotion")
  

I am wondering if you could explain to me what "caste promotion" means in this context. To be clear, I am not trying to contest your reversion, I just realized that the request came from a probable sock (see:Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Joshi punekar), this is coming from a place of personal curiosity. Thanks.— FenrisAureus ▲ (she/they) (talk) 14:31, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi FenrisAureus, I was suspecting the same (sock activity), and that's the primary reason why I mentioned that such edits require talk page consensus! Coming to your question, the following part (citing primary source/equivalent) is meant for caste promotion: According to the Sahyadrikhanda of the Skanda Purana, ninety-six Brahmin families belonging to ten gotras migrated to Goa from western India, along with Parashurama. I say this from my experience of dealing with caste warriors since this would signify the purity of these Brahmins, thus amounting to caste promotion. It is okay to add the same citing a reliable secondary source (modern scholarly work) and attributing the same to the author! Hope I could explain my point. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 18:01, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

I still dont understand what the literal definition of "caste promotion" is in this context. I am American and I am unfamiliar with Hinduism and the Indian caste system. By "promotion" do you mean "advocacy" or promotion in the sense that one would be lifted from a lower caste into a higher one?— FenrisAureus ▲ (she/they) (talk) 19:52, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Hey FenrisAureus, in simple words, caste promotion here means caste glorification / puffery. In India, most of the people have the tendency to prove that their caste is superior i.e. they rank higher in the so called caste hierarchy! That's the reason why we have a policy like WP:CASTE. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 06:49, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation! — FenrisAureus ▲ (she/they) (talk) 18:42, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

About Potter page

I presented you a government document as a reference, yet you undone the article, which is worth considering. Don't make me think that you are negative about the reputation of the world's oldest community Kumhar. May I know the reason for your undo?Whereas this government document is valid in Hindi Wikipedia. Please give up narrow mindedness and respond wisely. दीपसिंह 08:18, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Why did you remove sourced content, दीपसिंह? In order to promote your community? Before giving lessons on 'narrow mindedness', answer me! Are you here to build an encyclopedia, or else, are you another WP:SPA desperately trying to glorify their community? Ekdalian (talk) 10:48, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Caste warrior

This person has defied a level-4 warning for vandalism [10]. The next step would be to report them at WP:AIV. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:34, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi Fylindfotberserk, I have already reported the same on Bishonen's talk page. Ekdalian (talk) 16:38, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

The name looks familiar, doesn't it? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:14, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Yes, Fylindfotberserk! I have already reported on Doug Weller's talk page. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 13:22, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

I'm getting a bit confused. Surely this experienced editor is not a sock. But do see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SWAPAN.CHAKROBARTY011112. [11]. I'm a bit tired from my last chemo and have been handed a couple of other puzzling things today. I'll look at the SPI. Doug Weller talk 15:09, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

No, you are right, Doug Weller! Denisarona is not a sock, please check my edit summary, here! User Nobita.Uzumaki is the suspected sock whom you have already blocked. Thank you so much Doug; please take care of your health. Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 17:01, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

@Ekdalian Thinks. It's usually the 2nd and 3rd day after chemo. Thursday was my 4th and last round, scanned yesterday, fate revealed in 2 or 3 weeks. I'm pretty sure it's not my last round of chemo though. It this one works, another in a few months. If not, a tougher one that will give me neuropathy.. Doug Weller talk 17:16, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the update, Doug! I keep on praying for your complete recovery. Cheers! Ekdalian (talk) 18:07, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, but I’m afraid that’s not in the cards. It’s ok, time to get everything in order, everyone get used to it. Doug Weller talk 18:30, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

As human beings, we have our limitations! That being said, we can only pray for the best results apart from taking all required steps, which you are already undergoing. Let's hope for the best, Doug! Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 06:46, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Can you have a look

It seems the content you had removed [12] has been reintroduced, thanks!Ratnahastin (talk) 16:11, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Ratnahastin; I have cleaned up the article. Ekdalian (talk) 17:58, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Regarding a POV user

Hi Ekdalian, could you please look at this user contributes, he is editing using multiple non RS sources in various articles. Timovinga (talk) 04:17, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

He is mostly pushing his POV in these articles 1. Hinduism and LGBT topics 2. Marriage in Hinduism 3. Homosexuality in India 4. LGBT rights in India, using some user generated non scholarly sources Timovinga (talk) 04:21, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi Timovinga, I have added these articles to my watchlist! Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 07:38, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, appreciated. Timovinga (talk) 07:54, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Regarding article edit

hey ekdalian! recently, I saw a article, Jats. I belongs to Jat Community and from Godara Clan. I would be happy if you add Godara Clan in the list of clans section.I am providing you the sources for verification.

1. https://www.jatland.com/home/Godara 2. https://www.quora.com/Who-are-Godaras have a good day. Albertx07 (talk) 07:20, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Hey Albertx07, both of these are considered as unreliable; please provide modern sources (along with page number) by reliable authors so that the same can be included in the article! You may also post on the article talk page. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 07:28, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Godara Clan is a very popular Jat Clan, which resides in the states of Rajasthan, Haryana, Uttar Pradesh, Delhi.Modern book written about the history of Bikaner (Rajasthan), in which complete description of Godara Jats has been given, Page No. 116 of 417, 2nd paragraph, Godara's Mentioned in row 5 of the page.

eBook source :- https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.321079 Albertx07 (talk) 08:15, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Let me respond on the article talk page! Ekdalian (talk) 11:16, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Sock

Thanks for this. The IP is most definitely a sock of this sockfarm and the other one whom you reverted may also be same but an SPI by me a few years ago wasn't conclusive. May be a different guy, but the agenda is same, initially pushed by the sockfarm. Anyway the lists should follow the order laid out in the source or should be alphabetical per MOS:LISTORG. Nowhere I've seen a policy to add the supposed indigenous one before. In a country where Standard Hindi is the official in many states, where it is not the native tongue, such arguments by the IP only demonstrates the POV. So yes, your reversion is correct. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:12, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, Fylindfotberserk. We shall report the same in case such disruption continues! Cheers. Ekdalian (talk) 11:45, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Welcome. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:47, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Isn't this someone we know? I'm forgetting the name of the SPI. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:57, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Fylindfotberserk, possibly Nobita456! The user obviously seems to be a sock! Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 18:03, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Yes. This caste, are you familiar? I saw 'Tili' before, some new user was adding it in a lot of articles. The writing is way off, and likely original research. I reverted 2, that were obviously CASTEID violations. The rest are dead people, so can't remove. Can't read the sources [13] [14]? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:07, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Got it, Fylindfotberserk; confirmed sock of user Nobita.Uzumaki! Ekdalian (talk) 18:12, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

That's a name-copycat of lol. Are you filing an SP. I see some interactions @analyzer. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:23, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Extremely tired, today! Will file an SPI tomorrow, in case no one else does the same! Thanks, Fylindfotberserk. Pinging our super admin, Doug Weller; Doug had blocked the sock! Ekdalian (talk) 18:31, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

@Doug Weller and Fylindfotberserk: I have filed the SPI; Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SWAPAN.CHAKROBARTY011112. Cheers! Ekdalian (talk) 08:46, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Someone removed Kayastha this. I can't verify the sources. Please see. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:40, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Fylindfotberserk, it is correct; the surname is not used by Kayasthas. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 06:14, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

OK.. Thanks . - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:20, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Have you seen

[15]. found them from the talk page post there about HIDDEN JAT HISTORY by [16] Doug Weller talk 08:06, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

No, Doug; I saw just now! Thanks for your message. I shall closely watch their edits, both are trying hard to push Jat caste related POV. Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 10:52, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Doug Weller talk 11:11, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Jangid

Hi ! @Ekdalian , please check this article. I opened every source which is present in this article and none of them mentioned what is written in this. Even 2nd & 3rd paragraphs are without source. I tried to revert the edits by adding the information present in the current sources but again another user reverted by edits. Kindly please check this and go through the sources. This one is my edit which was reverted according to the sources. Stoickik (talk) 08:30, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

 Done, Stoickik! Let's see. Ekdalian (talk) 08:30, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Tili Caste

Hi @Ekdalian,

I cited sources in all the famous people list and the wikipedia article about ili is totally wrong.first of all the heading is wrong.Tilis are not agragrian ,tilis are a rich trading caste..I added well sourced contents to the famous people list of Tili...you edited out all why?...do you hate tilis?...Tilis are an upper caste...do you have any problem with the tili caste?...In bardhaman parikrama it is mentioned that "Tilis were the only caste those who used to avoid agriculture"...Tilis have the first national cricket captain from bengal eka pankaj roy,richest person of bengal of all time-sahara-subrata roy,first national football team captain-gostho pal,tili..tilis had a lot famous zamindaars..do you have any problem with tilis?...infact tilis have strong claim on the pala empire......although in real life tilis are powerful..I think some peoples are letting their frstration out on tili by writing false statements about Tili....but in real life ,tilis are always an upper caste..atul sur also mentioned tilis as an indo-european caste.I don't know why you always try to delete all the positive information about tili..you are just a senior member...I hope you will understand your fault..........I am a student from NIT......I swear,I shall own wikipedia one day....and I shall remove all the articles which spreads wrong info about tili and the peoples who spreads will be blocked...but maybe it is a fairy dream..I don't understand your problem with the tili caste -...I am adding siddhanta samudra..I hope after reading this relible source your way of thinking will be changed.. https://eap.bl.uk/archive-file/EAP341-1-1033# page 41 to 68...in british time peoples tried to degrade the domination of the tili caste...in social hiererchy tilis sand just below brahmin..and tilis are found only in bardhaman and tilis migrated from bardhaman to other places...the spelling is tili or tilly...not tilli.........there are three castes Til-Chasi/Tilli,Tili/Tili and Teli...but all is mixed up...I don't know if you have any problem with the tilis...tilis have a less population and an educated caste...tilis are compareble to khatris of punjab...althogh in real life nobody can beat tili...in reel life I ee some silly guys spreading wrong infos about Tili in order to show themselves higher 2409:40E1:0:E506:3CD0:1CAD:E9F0:FB64 (talk) 15:22, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

I edit hundreds of caste articles; I am just doing my job! The source cited is a Raj era source, which cannot be cited, as per WP:RAJ. Please provide modern scholarly work by reliable authors, so that I can consider your point! Ekdalian (talk) 16:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

okay 117.194.229.6 (talk) 17:08, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

https://books.google.co.in/books?id=xYFu64r4ybgC&printsec=frontcover&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=tili&f=false page 205 117.194.229.6 (talk) 17:18, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

I doubt whether this is a reliable source! The author must comply with WP:HISTRS! Anyway, provide relevant quotes (along with page numbers) from this source as well as other proper reliable sources. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 17:54, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

okay..but he got sahitya academy awards 117.241.239.40 (talk) 18:13, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

https://archive.org/details/castepoliticsraj0000band/mode/2up?q= pages 104,112,115,153

Visvabharati Patrika,barsha.25,shraban-ashwin 1375 : Rai,sushil Ed. : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive 40-47 ,there is a mention about a tili king named as chandraketu who established the shakti peeth and this was published by vishwa bharati patrika

Haraprasad Shastri Ed.2nd : Bondhyopadhyay, Brajendranath. : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive page 361

https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.265320/page/n65/mode/2up page 43-44 (It mentions that tilis are an indo-alpine caste)

https://archive.org/details/dli.calcutta.05838/page/495/mode/2up?q=tili page 496

https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.534066/page/n51/mode/2up page 45 (although this is an old source but can be used)

https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.98917/page/n599/mode/2up?q=tili page-11,22,24,571 (Dighapatia raj was also a Tili)

https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.265163/page/n45/mode/2up page -25 (kristo das pal was a tili not teli)

Siddhanta samudra (part- V) [1310 [B. S.] 1903] | Endangered Archives Programme (bl.uk) page 41-68 can be used to write about history about the origin of ekadosh and dadosh

https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.289649/page/n205/mode/2up page 124-155

https://archive.org/details/dli.calcutta.03853/page/n51/mode/2up page 41

https://archive.org/details/aclcpl000001223a531/page/252/mode/2up?q=tili+ 245 ,253 page

https://archive.org/details/dli.bengal.10689.12344/page/n87/mode/2up?q=tili+ page 87 (another status of tili is "srimani")

dli.scoerat.11043westbengaldistricgazetters : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive page 695-696 117.241.239.40 (talk) 18:48, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

https://books.google.co.in/books?id=3B5YAAAAMAAJ&q=rashik+krishna+mullick+tili&dq=rashik+krishna+mullick+tili&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi28cWymaSFAxXca_UHHcd3DWAQ6AF6BAgNEAI page 86

https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.49487/page/n537/mode/2up?q=Tili page 511,521 117.241.239.40 (talk) 18:56, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

https://bartamanpatrika.com/home?cid=16&id=493430

https://anagrasarkalyan.gov.in/Bcw/ex_page/17 -Tilis are neither OBC nor SC ,ST tilis are a general caste 117.241.239.40 (talk) 19:06, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Life And Experiences Of A Bengali Chemist Vol. 1 : Ray, Prafulla Chandra : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive from here you can verify tili zamindaars list...and famous peoples like subrata roy-founder of sahara, pankaj roy-first national cricket captain from bengal,gostho pal is also a tili because kundu surname is confined among tilis only.........and a lot zamindaars were ther...please mention our famous peoples when writing 117.241.239.40 (talk) 19:11, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

https://archive.org/details/dli.bengal.10689.12688/page/n493/mode/2up?q= page 468 important it is defining tilis as general and elite traders 117.241.239.40 (talk) 19:17, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.316371/page/n73/mode/2up?q=%E0%A6%A4%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%B2%E0%A6%BF 224-225

Gayan Bharati,khanda.2,bhag.1 : Mukhopadhyay,pradhat Kumar Ed. : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive page 540 117.241.239.40 (talk) 19:32, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

https://eap.bl.uk/archive-file/EAP341-1-1033#?c=0&m=0&s=0&cv=47&xywh=-1224%2C-223%2C4593%2C2882 page 41-68..this was published in 1901..this is not a raj era source 117.241.239.40 (talk) 19:35, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

can siddhanta samudram be used..this was published on 1903..and this is not a raj era source :- https://eap.bl.uk/archive-file/EAP341-1-1033#?c=0&m=0&s=0&cv=47&xywh=-1224%2C-223%2C4593%2C2882 117.241.239.40 (talk) 19:38, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Page-168 "Tilis claimed that they are the descandants of the pala empire"...so it indicated that they may be rajput 117.241.239.40 (talk) 19:40, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

I have gone through all the sources, and most of them fail our standards! Raj era sources cannot be used, unreliable authors (especially Bengali) and unreliable publishers are not accepted. General caste should be mentioned in a reliable source, not using the logic that there's no such entry in the OBC list! Two sources among all the above ones are reliable, the first one and the text 'History of Indian Social and Political Ideas' though the latter has limited usability since snippet views are usually avoided in caste articles. Please note that contentious caste articles require high quality modern scholarly work by reliable authors (and reputed publishers). Ekdalian (talk) 06:04, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

what requirements is required in order satisfy the eligibility criteria so that ...it can be used......... so no bengali source is reliable?...what about that Biswabharati patrika and what about the book "Life and Times of Kanta Babu"......can't the autobiography of acharya Prafulla Chandra Ray be used?...so tell me the eligibility criterias for the article then I shall find more 117.194.108.97 (talk) 06:49, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Already mentioned above; Bengali sources may also be reliable if they satisfy the above criteria, but English sources are preferred in English Wikipedia; all sources must be high quality modern scholarly work by reliable authors (and reputed publishers). Ekdalian (talk) 07:02, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Also read WP:HISTRS! Ekdalian (talk) 07:04, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

okay 117.241.232.239 (talk) 07:53, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

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Needs cleanup

hello @Ekdalian, please look at Ahir clans, Gwalavanshi and Dhadhor. Please remove unreliable raj era sourced information. 2409:4085:8D10:961F:0:0:8889:DB13 (talk) 12:59, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

April 2024

@Ekdalian sir, please look at Chudachandra, Graharipu, samma tribe, Mandalika I & Navaghana (late 11th century king). 2409:4085:8C9D:9FF0:0:0:8109:4A0D (talk) 05:28, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

SPI?

Hi, Ekdalian. Where's the SPI you mention at User talk:Twinkle here? (Your link there is not good.) Does it exist yet? Bishonen | tålk 08:22, 3 May 2024 (UTC).

Oh sorry, Bishonen; SPI yet to be filed. Seems to be an obvious case of WP:DUCK, since the account is created just after Richardadmi was blocked from editing the same article! For more, would request you to check Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Joshi punekar! Pinging other admins involved in this SPI; @Newslinger, Bbb23, and Girth Summit: please let me know if I need to file another SPI? Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 09:19, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

I've indefinitely blocked Twinkle here (talk · contribs) for sockpuppetry and indefinitely semi-protected the Saraswat Brahmin article under the WP:GS/CASTE sanctions. Formal SPIs might not be necessary when the behavioral evidence is as obvious as this. Thanks for reporting this. — Newslinger talk 09:41, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much, Newslinger. Ekdalian (talk) 10:44, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

My memory isn't up to all these socks, I guess; I'd forgotten about Richardadmi. The editing at Saraswat Brahmin does make it obvious, indeed. Thanks, Newslinger. Bishonen | tålk 18:26, 3 May 2024 (UTC).

Teli related groups

Hi, Ekdalian I'm writing to you as you are the last credible person edited teli article. The related groups mentioned kandu and sundhi are without citations and In reality also they are not at all related to teli caste . Teli is usually consideredas as a vaishya subcaste or baniya subcaste and I'm linking news report of indian government denying teli EBC reservations because on historical and survey basis they found that teli is an influential vaishya caste. Here's the link to the Times of India news report https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/patna/bid-to-make-teli-an-ebc-opposed/articleshow/4577067.cms

Shataksingh (talk) 20:19, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

I have removed the unrelated communities. But, as far as Varna (Vaishya or any other) is concerned, the site provided above is an unreliable source! Please find modern scholarly work by reliable authors for Varna status, which may be included in a separate section, as per convention. Ekdalian (talk) 07:06, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Biswas surname related

Hi Ekdalian, Thank you for attempting to verify the source. The link for the paper by Mookerjee is functional. I encountered the same issue regarding this paper. Please try accessing it on weekdays. I have successfully downloaded the paper. If you're unable to access it, I can share it with you.

User talk:SenBiswas