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The article reads quite oddly to me. There's a long section on "Investigations". Then there's a very long set of sections on the Grand Jury hearing. Between these, I would expect to find a statement "Wilson was charged with murder" (or maybe manslaughter/unlawful killing). But I see no such statement. I infer from all the Grand Jury stuff that he must have been so charged, but it's strange that the article doesn't explicitly say so. [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 21:53, 3 May 2024 (UTC) |
The article reads quite oddly to me. There's a long section on "Investigations". Then there's a very long set of sections on the Grand Jury hearing. Between these, I would expect to find a statement "Wilson was charged with murder" (or maybe manslaughter/unlawful killing). But I see no such statement. I infer from all the Grand Jury stuff that he must have been so charged, but it's strange that the article doesn't explicitly say so. [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 21:53, 3 May 2024 (UTC) |
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== Jennings Disbandment == |
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The portion of Darren Wilson's background that mentions his previous employment with the disbanded Jennings, MO PD should also mention the reason for the disbanding: |
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The small city of Jennings, Mo., had a police department so troubled, and with so much tension between white officers and black residents, that the city council finally decided to disband it. Everyone in the Jennings police department was fired. New officers were brought in to create a credible department from scratch. |
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From https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/darren-wilsons-first-job-was-on-a-troubled-police-force-disbanded-by-authorities/2014/08/23/1ac796f0-2a45-11e4-8593-da634b334390_story.html |
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As the sections stands now, this portion of his history seems non sequitur. [[Special:Contributions/2601:14A:600:1780:88B0:782B:F7CE:63FA|2601:14A:600:1780:88B0:782B:F7CE:63FA]] ([[User talk:2601:14A:600:1780:88B0:782B:F7CE:63FA|talk]]) 10:53, 13 May 2024 (UTC) |
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No mention of BLM?
Why is there no mention of the fact that this is the incident that kick-started the Black Lives Matter movement? I see a refernce to BLM in the related articles but this was THE incident that made BLM into a prominent group. Any unbiased person who reads this, feel free to add it to the page, people should know that such a large movement was started over misinformation. 99.18.204.223 (talk) 23:51, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, that's a weird thing to omit. I'll look into this tomorrow. Schierbecker (talk) 05:48, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
- Still undone? Here are the sources from the BLM article which can be used to add the necessary text. I suggest its level of importance would place the information after, "... unrest in Ferguson (then add) when the movement called Black Lives Matter began their first massive street demonstrations." See Day, Elizabeth (July 19, 2015). "#BlackLivesMatter: the birth of a new civil rights movement". The Guardian. And see Luibrand, Shannon (August 7, 2015). "Black Lives Matter: How the events in Ferguson sparked a movement in America". CBS News. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.23.199.194 (talk) 20:47, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
- I concur - this event was at the root of what is now known as 'BLM'. 172.250.237.36 (talk) 16:48, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
Title
That the title says "Shooting of" and not "Killing of" made me think he survived. 71.205.160.164 (talk) 00:44, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
- Perhaps you should read the first sentence, the the rest of the article Roxy the dog 01:17, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
- Ok, but it's still absurd for this article's title to start with "Shooting of" when every other article about a fatal police shooting has a title that starts with "Killing of".71.205.160.164 (talk) 17:58, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
- I think there's a good point in that. A requested move to "killing of" was attempted in Dec 2020-Jan 2021 and ended in no consensus. Talk:Shooting of Michael Brown/Archive 31#Requested move 30 December 2020. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:10, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
- Per WP:DEATHS it should be Killing EvergreenFir (talk) 18:13, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for pointing that out. RM opened below. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:18, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
- Per WP:DEATHS it should be Killing EvergreenFir (talk) 18:13, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
- I think there's a good point in that. A requested move to "killing of" was attempted in Dec 2020-Jan 2021 and ended in no consensus. Talk:Shooting of Michael Brown/Archive 31#Requested move 30 December 2020. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:10, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
- Ok, but it's still absurd for this article's title to start with "Shooting of" when every other article about a fatal police shooting has a title that starts with "Killing of".71.205.160.164 (talk) 17:58, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
Requested move 10 May 2023
- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) – MaterialWorks 18:44, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
Shooting of Michael Brown → Killing of Michael Brown – A previous RM closed as no consensus in February 2021. Per the previous nominator, WP:CONSISTENT titles should be used. Many articles that lead with "shooting of" are of non-fatal shootings, such as Shooting of Jacob Blake. Sources do alternate between "shooting" and "killing", but specificity is better when noting in the article title that Brown died. Here are some RS that refer to this as a "killing" without implying murder: [1][2][3] – Muboshgu (talk) 18:17, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
- Additional note per above from Evergreen Fir points out that the flowchart in Wikipedia:Naming conventions (violence and deaths) shows that we should move this to "Killing of Michael Brown". – Muboshgu (talk) 18:18, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support per WP:DEATHS EvergreenFir (talk) 18:19, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support - Makes sense to me. Schierbecker (talk) 20:03, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support. Absent a strong WP:COMMONNAME argument, homicides should be titled "Killing", per WP:DEATHS. This has been upheld in many RM discussions. See also Talk:Killing of Andy Lopez. 162 etc. (talk) 20:23, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support - See my reason above. 71.205.160.164 (talk) 21:47, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
Ferguson Public Library - Was in Danger of Closing
Shortly after the riots in Ferguson, reports were made of how the Ferguson Municipal Public library was in danger of having to close due to lack of funding, and suggestions were made that if the library could have survived, events leading to the riots might've been prevented.
Donations to the Ferguson Municipal Public Library not only revived the library, but now it is able to open every day of the week (excluding the Sabbath). A link to make a monthly (or one-time) donation with PayPal is even at the bottom of the home page of their website. Full disclosure, I've been sending them a tiny amount every month for around eight years, as of '23.
Can we add a note to the article, to promote the idea that with a working public library, crime is less likely and the events leading to the killing of Michael Brown would also in turn be less likely?
Do we need references to the news reports regarding the library? 172.250.237.36 (talk) 16:57, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
The court case
The article reads quite oddly to me. There's a long section on "Investigations". Then there's a very long set of sections on the Grand Jury hearing. Between these, I would expect to find a statement "Wilson was charged with murder" (or maybe manslaughter/unlawful killing). But I see no such statement. I infer from all the Grand Jury stuff that he must have been so charged, but it's strange that the article doesn't explicitly say so. Maproom (talk) 21:53, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
Jennings Disbandment
The portion of Darren Wilson's background that mentions his previous employment with the disbanded Jennings, MO PD should also mention the reason for the disbanding:
The small city of Jennings, Mo., had a police department so troubled, and with so much tension between white officers and black residents, that the city council finally decided to disband it. Everyone in the Jennings police department was fired. New officers were brought in to create a credible department from scratch.
As the sections stands now, this portion of his history seems non sequitur. 2601:14A:600:1780:88B0:782B:F7CE:63FA (talk) 10:53, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
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