User talk:Tiamut

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Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2008-03-18 Second Intifada

Just notifying you, that as you have been involved in the discussion regarding the Second Intifada article, which is now the subject of a MedCab case, I'm notifying you of this as you may wish to partake in this case to discuss a resolution to this dispute. Feel free to leave a comment on my talk page. Regards,Steve Crossin (talk) 23:23, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Fairuz

Isn't it funny how all the mantras about sources and "no original research!" go out the window whenever the word "Arab" is involved? I admire your effort, but I feel you're wasting your breath. Good luck anyway. -- Slacker (talk) 01:10, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Geotheology and terms at hand

I found this [1] while researching documentation of a term. I thought you might be interested, and might make use of it concerning, well, what we do. I didn't check its RS-ness; it looks like class notes/paper, whatever. It says:

Both sides, then, claim priority in terms of chronology (the right of the firstborn, so to speak), both make use of archaeology, both draw maps, and both argue by means of place-names. Scarcely any spot on the map—whether it be Jerusalem (Urshalimum/Yerushalayim/al-Quds), the northern plain leading from the Mediterranean to the Jordan Valley (Esdra(e)lon and Jezreel/Marj Ibn Amir), or the hilly inland terrain (Judaea and Samaria in Hebrew)—is exempt from this contest. Palestine, or Eretz Israel, offers a textbook case of the “territorialization of history,” in which political claims are anchored in historical geography. Biblical scholars have spoken of a veritable “geotheology.”^[3] For this reason we need to clarify not only designations such as “Canaan” or “Palestine” itself, but also “Eretz Israel,” “Promised Land,” and “Holy Land”—designations that were first used following Israelite settlement in a land previously controlled by the Egyptians, Hittites, or Assyrians, and inhabited by various ethnic groups.

Regards, CasualObserver'48 (talk) 05:51, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 20 March, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Thursday of the Dead, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

That one didn't take long from conception to actuality. Well done :) --Gatoclass (talk) 08:55, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Faris Odeh

Another editor has added the {{prod}} template to the article Faris Odeh, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but the editor doesn't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and has explained why in the article (see also Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:Notability). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia or discuss the relevant issues at its talk page. If you remove the {{prod}} template, the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. BJBot (talk) 16:00, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

It's a multiple AfD - several similar articles being deleted for the same reason. Mostly I did this to prevent the previous hypocricy mentioned. пﮟოьεԻ 57 00:48, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Sumud scope

Marhaba Tiamut, your article on sumud struck me as very interesting and I wonder if its scope would include the tax resistance against Israel that occurred in Beit Sahour during the First Intifada. --Al Ameer son (talk) 19:42, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Wafa

Hi Tiamut, it's been a while since we ran into each other. I wonder if you can check out the question here, having to do with to what extent Wafa is the "PLO press agency." My concern is that the Washington Times editorial is incorrect, but I haven't been able to confirm one way or another, and it occurs to me you may know. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Mackan79 (talk) 21:19, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

a subject not covered in wikipedia

[2] Zeq (talk) 13:32, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi Tiamut, I happen to have pages 35/36 open on my desk in front of me of this December 2006 Amnesty report which covers the problems of women in the OPTs. May well also be covered in later reports. Regards, NSH001 (talk) 15:09, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Ahlam Shibli

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Etymology of jasmine

Sorry, I forgot that sources were needed for minor things as well as controversial topics. I've added some sources to Jasmine. I think it's important to include the ultimate origin of the word, as well as mentioning it was transferred via Arabic - as that's how many Persian words reached English.--Yolgnu (talk) 02:32, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Sumud

On 24 March, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Sumud, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 12:14, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Good going -- I remember we briefly discussed sumud. Meanwhile, thanks for your patience with me, still quite busy and merely glancing in at the moment. Ciao, HG | Talk 21:21, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

RfC

I've started drafting an RfC that you might be interested in here. Please feel free if you'd like to participate in adding anything to it that you feel might be relevant. Cla68 (talk) 02:25, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Nabulsi soap & DYKs

I have noticed some of your DYK submissions, the latest being Nabulsi soap. They are very well-crafted articles. Good work. - House of Scandal (talk) 13:29, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Absolutely agree with House of Scandal ;-D. Anyway, it was Funkynusayri who helped me download the picture. It would be nice with a close-up picture of a few modern bars. Also; I am sure that I read somewhere that Fadwa Toukans father ran/owned one of the soap-factories in Nablus; I´m looking for the reference, but of course, I cannot find it when I need it..

Other potential articles would be Glassworks of Hebron and Mother-of-Pearl carvings in Palestine ...there are old pictures to go with such articles.

And I see that you have started an article on Karimeh Abbud! I have seen several old post-cards made by her on ebay, and I did wonder who she was (here is one: [3]. We really should get hold of one of those old post-cards and scan it for the article.) Anyway, keep up your great work! Take care, Huldra (talk) 18:04, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

السلام عليكم, Tiamut, just wanted to say I'm amazed at the level of detail you put into your new articles, and to thank you for Nabulsi soap. So much information that I wasn't aware of! You might like to know that I use (and like) this soap, which I get from a friend who in turn orders it in bulk via Zaytoun. I do believe that building up fair trade is a powerful force for peace, and that by preventing Palestinians from earning an honest livelihood, Israel is storing up huge problems for itself in the future (the treatment of Germany and Japan in the 20s and 30s being an extreme example, and an awful warning). I hope that - somehow - my fears will not be realised. Thanks again, NSH001 (talk) 19:55, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

your recent edit

[4] - clearly you have deleted one POV and added another. is there a way to merge the two and make it NPOV. tnx. Zeq (talk) 20:32, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Try using the talk page for the article, as I already have here. Thanks. Tiamut^talk 12:27, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

fyi

Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Jd2718_is_obviously_really_the_banned_Jamiechef2. Jd2718 (talk) 11:04, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Your opinon on this

Greetings, there is a discussion about project tagging on the WP:Palestine page here. --Al Ameer son (talk) 19:55, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Nabulsi soap

On 2 April, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Nabulsi soap, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--howcheng {chat} 00:08, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I thoroughly enjoyed this article, keep up the good work. Kuddl (talk) 00:38, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Congrats on the 14th great DYK article! Keep'em coming, they're very interesting. Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 00:54, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I read the article and personally I think its fit for a GA review. You might need to expand its history section (I'm not even sure, your article is the only non-stub article on any soap [except soap itself], personally I think its B-class), but thats pretty much it. Meets the guidelines on prose and MoS, its completely referenced with several reliable sources, there's no OR, it hits major aspects and is for the most part focused, theres no bias, its stable and its illustrated with free image(s). It meets the all of the criteria and I don't think any other encyclopedia could do a better job at it. I hope you do consider it. --Al Ameer son (talk) 03:23, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Greetings Tiamut! I am happy to inform you that Nabulsi soap could well be on the way to being a good article. I asked the GA WikiProject on its talk page for they're opinion its broadness and it certainly meets it. There are some minor issues you could take care of before nominating when you do: (1) The lead must summarize the major points of the article and not just introduce the subject.

(2) There are some instances of a "over-promotional tone". I also noticed this, especially in the "Today" section and words like unique should be avoided unless you are quoting someone. (3) There also needs to be a "few minor MoS tweaks". I'll try to find these wherever possible, but I'm just a little busy at the moment.

I really hope you take care of these minor issues and nominate the article soon. Good luck! --Al Ameer son (talk) 22:23, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Did you know...

...that Tiamut and Sm8900 both have suggested entries at the Did You Know page, and that both are self-nom for new articles which each created? And that both addressed topics of major historical or political significance? And that both show the work of editors devoted to Wikipedia standards? And that Tiamut writes pretty good articles?

Well? didja know that or not? i'm asking you, personal-like.

:-) good to see your work. nice job. see you. --Steve, Sm8900 (talk) 16:37, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

List of indigenous peoples

At List of indigenous peoples about a month ago you made this proposal:

"What if we transformed the list format here into a paragraph format for each group? The paragraph, using reliable, scholarly sources could elucidate on things like how they came to identify as an indigenous people, their first involvement in related international forums on indigenous rights, contestation (if any) over their claims to be indigeneity (who contests the claim, why, etc.) This might help make the article more informative and provide examples via each listing that help the reader understand what definition of indigenous is being applied here. True, it would take a lot of work, but I would be willing to help out any way I can and not just on the entry for Palestinians. What do you and others interested in improving this article think? "

Sorry for not answering earlier: I think it is an excellent idea, and I would be willing to give it a try. But as you say it is an extremely big undertaking, and I think that we should think about a way to get it underways slowly - and a way to format the content so that adding content becomes easier and so that it stays a list and doesn't become an actual article - maybe some kind of table format would be useful. Lets think a bit about it and post ideas we get at the talk page. ·Maunus· ·ƛ· 20:30, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

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DYK for Moses (bishop)

On 7 April, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Moses (bishop), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Bencherlite^Talk 08:56, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

DYK (Mavia)

On 7 April, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Mavia (queen), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 14:52, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Palestinian city traditions

Marhaba and welcome Tiamut, we've missed you these past few days; I hope all is well ;). I noticed that you created an article on Hebron glass today. This is a favorable trend that you are starting on the traditions of Palestinian cities. I have a request for you whenever you have the time; I am quite busy myself. See, the WP Palestine talk page. Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 04:01, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

And I started a Mother-of-Pearl carving in Bethlehem. In both that article and in Hebron glass I added what I found in Weir, (as not everybody has that book available.) To both articles I have linked external articles I found about the subject. But NB: in both places: I have hardly used the material in those "See also"/"Further reading" sections (and that material should really be incorporated). And again thanks to Funky for uploading the pictures.. Hope you are ok! And yes, spring has come to my part of the world, too, although we have had snow-storms later that this before, so all is not safe yet.. (I hate snow and ice. Truly!) Take care, Huldra (talk) 09:14, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Obvious sockpuppets

Hello Tiamut, regarding the Runtshit socks, it is more essential that you report them to WP:AIV rather than tagging the socks. A block as fast as possible is the best way to discourage and stop him, but this requires that administrators become aware of it. Regards --Oxymoron⁸³ 11:24, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Comment on the Virgin Mary‎

The article Blessed Virgin Mary‎ is going to be renamed (it would seem) and there is dissussion on the new name. Some advocate "Roman Catholic view of the Virgin Mary" but it could be about the "Catholic and Orthodox view of Mary" the artical was or seemed to be when I first saw it. I have been looking for an Eastern Christian to comment on this. Do you have a view? --Carlaude (talk) 05:15, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for making a comment the other day. Do you want to post an opinion to the straw poll/vote? --Carlaude (talk) 22:43, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Soap source

Hey Tiamut, I was looking for sources on the Ottoman history of Nablus, and I came upon this book source by Beshara Doumani[5] I haven't read the file yet but it's titled "Soap, Class and State", so I assumed it talked about Nabulsi soap. Just giving it to you if you want a book source. Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 19:17, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

I've begun to read though the book, and here are some new interesting info you could add into the article. BTW a lot of quotes and other information already present in the article are also mentioned in the book.

New info from the book[6]:

...as the soap-manufacturing sector expanded, family control over these jobs diminished, and by the early [British] Mandate period the major factory owners preferred to import skilled soap workers from previous hit Egypt next hit rather than to accede to local strikes and demands for better wages.

and

[John Lewis] Burckhardt’s observation that three thousand camel loads were sent to Nablus annually in the early nineteenth century seems to be fairly accurate. Each tabkha of soap required at least 7 camel loads, or qintars of qilw. Because Nablus soap production ranged, at the very least, from 100 to 400 tabkhas a year, a minimum of 700 to 2,800 camel loads arrived in Nablus annually. Merchants from Nablus and the town of Salt also exported qilw to nearby soap-producing centers, such as Gaza, Jaffa, Lydda, Jerusalem, and Acre.

and

In a small city the size of Nablus, soap-factory owners constituted an exclusive club of powerful individuals who combined political power with wealth and high social status. Points of entry into this exclusive club were determined by two coexisting dynamics: long-term structural transformation in Nabulsi society, on the one hand, and relatively sudden shifts in the balance of political power within the ruling elite, on the other. Perhaps the words that best describe each dynamic would be infiltration and accession, respectively. Thus one would speak, for example, of the slow but steady infiltration of merchants and, at the same time, of the dramatic accession of new ruling families, such as the Abd al-Hadis.

--Al Ameer son (talk) 02:08, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

For some reason, I can't find the page numbers, so when I cited information on Nablus in the Nablus article I gave the chapter title and the link to that particular chapter. I nominated Nablus for the GA process, so if this is a problem the reviewer would point it out. If you are wary about this however, I guess you could ask an experienced administrator since I don't believe this problem is in the MoS page. Also, the book is online so when you have time check it out, its very interesting; here is the link to the Soap chapter [7]

On another note, thanks for creating the fatta article, its actually mentioned as fatteh in Palestinian cuisine, so I'm glad there's a link for it now. I think I'll be able to contribute some information on the dish from an article by Laila el-Haddad. I also wanted to congratulate you on Nabulsi soap's GA success, next up Hebron glass I assume ;) Lastly, I would appreciate you reviewing the Culture section of the Nablus article, since I know you have a great interest in that subject. Hope you been doing alright lately, and good luck on any future projects. Regards, --Al Ameer son (talk) 18:54, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Hahaha Wow, I can't believe I didn't notice Doumani is cited in the article and here I am saying "a lot of quotes and other information already present in the article are also mentioned in the book". Well I'm glad this is all cleared up. Thanks for copyediting the "Culture" section. I hope Nablus makes it on the first pass. --Al Ameer son (talk) 20:31, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 19 April, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Hebron glass, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Cirt (talk) 19:50, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Have you seen this?

I just saw this, damn, that's crazy! [8] [9] The PDF: [10] Funkynusayri (talk) 13:42, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

First Intifada lead image

Hello Tiamut, I noticed you have interest in First Intifada, I'm looking for a lead img for the article, img of stone-throwing demonstrations, if you have any sources please provide them, thanks. Imad marie (talk) 14:05, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry about copyright, we can use a copyrighted img in case we don't find free substitutes, see Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria. Thanks Imad marie (talk) 16:28, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Accusations

Considering that you opened a re-naming debate at 2006 Lebanon war, three days after someone using the email yonathan@ou.edu suggested that he would do just that while calling for back-up from fellow editors in this group of documents here, I'm concerned that you may be engaged in canvassing and meat-puppetry. I would like to therefore ask you, if yonathan@ou.edu is in fact an email address that you use? Thanks. Tiamut^talk 15:34, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Tiamut, I understand your suspicion. It's fairly reasonable, given the circumstances. But the evidence you present is purely circumstantial. Regarding your inquiry about yonathan@ou.edu, if I wanted my email address to be public information, I would have posted it on my user profile. Screen stalker (talk) 18:13, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the civility of your response, Screen stalker. You are, of course, entitled to refuse to answer the question. Similarly however, without such a response, others will be free to draw their own conclusions. Tiamut^talk 18:21, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Nabulsi soap

Hi, I wasn't quite sure what category to put Nabulsi soap's GA listing in, so I chose Middle East History. Feel free to move it if you'd prefer it to be in some other category. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 18:43, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Jaakobou RfC

Please see Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Jaakobou. I'm especially interested in any evidence you may have of Jaakobou compiling tendentious "evidence" against you and shopping it around to various forums, admins, etc. <eleland/talkedits> 20:18, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Christianity

Hello Tiamut!

You are cordially invited to participate in WikiProject Christianity The goal of WikiProject Christianity is to improve the quality and quantity of information about Christianity available on Wikipedia. WP:X as a group does not prefer any particular tradition or denominination of Christianity, but prefers that all Christian traditions are fairly and accurately represented.

You are receiving this invitation because you are a member of one of the related Christianity Projects and I thought that you might be interested in this project also - Tinucherian (talk) 03:59, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Welcome!

Hello Tiamut! Welcome to Wikiproject Christianity! Thank you for joining. Below are some useful links to facilitate your involvement. Happy editing! - Tinucherian (talk) 13:36, 24 April 2008 (UTC) Getting Started General • Task for You Wikiproject Talk Page • Templates Useful Links Project Category List of Christian Topics Christianity Portal Miscellaneous Featured Articles • Good Articles Did You Know? • Work Groups Anabaptist • Core Topics • Indian Christianity Iglesia ni Cristo • Jesus • Syriac Christianity Projects Article Requests • Destubbing Campaign Assessment • Articles Needing Clean-up Peer Review • Adopted Topics Similar WikiProjects Anglicanism • Bible • Calvinism Roman Catholicism • Lutheranism

Hello

how are.. i didn't talk to you since 1 or 2 months..hope you are alright and still remaber me> -my regards for you -O.waqfi (talk) 19:25, 24 April 2008 (UTC)