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Enigmaman (talk · contribs) - I first encountered this simply wonderful contributor at my RfA back in February. I noticed his dedication and efficiency instantly. Far from being an Enigma, he epitomises the pinnacle of what a contributor to our wonderful encyclopaedia should aspire to be: Strong, helpful, capable and, most of all, friendly. He exhibits qualities far beyond my own and I know that he'll make a fantastically talented admin. He turned down nomination offers from 13 other contributors, which shows you just how popular he is. I am honoured to nominate him, and I am proud to call him my friend.

In addition to the below, I have been training Enigmaman by asking him questions about reports at WP:3RRN, RfPP, WP:UAA, and WP:SSP. I am pleased to say that not once did I turn down any of his judgements.

In short:

Article work: For those of you who like an admin to have writing experience under their metaphorical belts, Enigmaman has contributed written material for The Shore, including adding sources to make it encyclopaedic. He and I worked on the United States-Australia relations article, adding sources and cleaning up etc. We worked together again on the Dean Mumm article, both of us earning a DYK out of it. He's a great writing buddy!
Vandalism work: He has done a ton of anti-vandal work. He has made over 300 reports to AIV, displaying a good understanding of our vandalism and blocking policies.
New page patrol: Over 200 CSD’s successfully tagged, which shows he knows how our deletion policies work.
Miscellaneous: Here's an edit I noticed in May: [1], it might be fairly orthodox, but it sticks out at me because it shows his consideration of other users.

All in all, he is a great asset to our encyclopaedia, and I expect that will manifest itself to an even greater degree if he is given the tools. Scarian ^{Call me Pat!} 21:31, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Co-nomination by VirtualSteve: Enigmaman is in my view, a dedicated contributor both ready and worthy of the community's support in this Request for Adminship. In particular other wikipedians will note, by even the briefest overview of his contributions, that Enigmaman attends to his interest and enthusiasm for wikipedia - and most specifically protection of its encyclopaedic content, style and esteem - on a day to day basis. Enigmaman tends to display very calm, effective edits clearly showing a well developed level of ability and understanding of Wiki's policies and guidelines; but when necessary he comes to the pages of "senior" editors and administrators and asks for opinion and assistance. Enigmaman will in my view add good value to the list of administrators and if the community agrees that he is deserving of the tools, he will be able to continue his level of contribution at a far more effective level. I am most happy to co-nominate with Scarian in this request.--VS ^talk 22:01, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Co-nomination by Seraphim Whipp: I first encountered Enigmaman after he left a fabulously humorous message at my talk page. During the following months, I noticed that editors were frequently offering to nominate Enigmaman for adminship (which he declined), and at this point, I decided to browse his contribs. I was very satisfied to see such a conscientious and efficient editor. Enigmaman's 10k contributions span a variety of areas, including those where admins are most active; WP:AIV (with 341 reports), WP:AN/I, WP:RFPP (48 reports). He is very involved in the community and speaks his mind, more often than not offering a refreshing point of view. As well as this, Enigma is very likeable and maintains good humour with a friendly, helpful attitude. There are many occasions where I see his willingness to both learn from more experienced editors, and teach those that are newer. Enigmaman is an undeniable asset to the project and adminship will maximise his capacity to provide help to editors, and support to the admin team.

Last of all (and perhaps most importantly?), he's got common sense in buckets, which makes for a great combination with the mop :). Seraphim♥Whipp 09:45, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: I accept. Thank you. Enigma ^message 13:50, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm greatly honored to be nominated by people whom I respect so much. I hope to be able to serve the community to the best of my ability. Enigma ^message 13:50, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia as an administrator. It is recommended that you answer these optional questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What admin work do you intend to take part in?

A: I intend to patrol WP:RFP and WP:AIV. Additionally, I believe WP:SSP does not receive enough attention. I do not intend to begin work there right away, because I lack experience in the area, but I would eventually like to assist with the backlog.

2. What are your best contributions to Wikipedia, and why?

A: I have made significant contributions to Dean Mumm, helping it become a WP:DYK. I helped significantly improve United States-Australia relations. Also, although the article still needs a lot of work, I'm proud to say Derrick Rose is in much better shape than it was when I first encountered it. Recently I performed a major overhaul on Kobe Bryant. Finally, I have provided significant contributions and updates to a number of lists, including WP:MISS, WP:HAU, and WP:AMDB.

3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?

A: I have been in several conflicts over the course of my editing on Wikipedia. Recently, I was involved in a dispute with User:Deacon of Pndapetzim over a report I filed at WP:AN3 about John celona, who was edit-warring at several articles. I now realize I was incorrect in filing the report and that I was too confrontational in the aftermath. Going back further, I had a disagreement with User:Non Curat Lex over an edit of his that I reverted. We came to an amicable resolution, and it led to a radically different approach to my editing.

Optional(s) question from Tiptoety ^talk

4. Under what circumstances would you fully protect an article?

A: If several registered users were either vandalizing an article, or edit-warring over it. If it was an edit war involving two people, the first thing to consider is if they've violated WP:3RR, and if so, whether to block or not. If it involved at least three established users (with a few months experience), I would fully protect and ask them to come to an agreement on the talk page instead of edit warring.

5. What do you consider to be a edit war (as in, how many reverts, in what time period, and how many users involved sorta thing)

A: That's a hard one, because edit-warring is often a judgment call. I have a very liberal interpretation of edit-warring. Continuous reverts by one or more users without discussing the changes. This can be in the span of a few hours, or over a few days. Waiting a day or two to revert someone else doesn't mean it's not edit-warring.

(Optional) Question from Rudget

6: What is your interpretation of BLP? Rudget (Help?) 14:59, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A: BLP is one of the most important policies we have. It's also one of the most difficult things to deal with. Because we allow anonymous editing, there is often a lot of blatant vandalism and cleverly-disguised vandalism. We must be vigilant in monitoring BLP articles, and anything potentially libelous must be removed post-haste. I'm pleased to say we're improving in this regard. See BLPWatch and the IRC channel that's been created. I hope we can get more people to monitor the IRC channel #wikipedia-en-blpwatch.

I've never seen you on #wikipedia-en-blpwatch. Do you use it, and if so, what's your IRC nick? dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 00:10, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I discovered it just recently, so I've tried to be in there as much as I could this week. My IRC nick isn't the same as my Wikipedia name, and I'd rather not disclose it. I'm glad to hear that you're on there. Enigma ^message 01:07, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, not a problem. I was just interested to see you bring it up despite now being aware that you used it. I use the nicks giggy or monoxide on IRC (including that channel) if you want to PM me next time you see me in there. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 01:12, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Will do. I'm new to IRC, and I could use some help. Enigma ^message 01:14, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Follow-up question. Do you believe a single reliable source is enough to back-up a negative comment on a person who is the subject of an article? Rudget (Help?) 15:23, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A: I would say no. I believe at least two reliable and relatively neutral sources should be required before adding something negative to a BLP. We don't want to whitewash BLPs to turn them into Hagiographies, but it's important to ensure that the negative material is verifiable and not the result of someone's error (as improbable as that may be). Obviously the second source can't have been derived from the first source, either.

Optional question from Filll

7. Please answer two of the eight AGF Challenge 2 exercises found here. Directions are here. Post a link to your answers here so that people can peruse them.

A: See my answers here.

COMMENT: We've been down this road before and the AGF Challenge questions were not well received, I would suggest caution in answering these questions... and would not be opposed if the candidate refused to do so.Balloonman (talk) 16:23, 28 May 2008 (UTC) NOTE: These questions are being discussed on the WT:RFA page[reply]

Agreed with the caution above. Orderinchaos 16:50, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've seen the debate surrounding these questions. I will perhaps take a shot at answering at least one later. I have part of an answer formulated for 2.1. I'm understandably concerned, however.

I'm in the middle of answering several questions. Please allow me until tomorrow, and then I'll have answers posted in my userspace. I'll link to it from here. Thanks. Enigma ^message 04:08, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Another optional follow up question from Tiptoety ^talk

8. Would you please expand upon your answer to Q#3, specifically your disagreement with User:Deacon of Pndapetzim in regards to your post at WP:AN3. What was the disagreement over? Was it because of a lack of policy understanding?

A: It's a little complicated. I didn't intend to go into it much, but now I will. I came into this situation via the article on David Hall (Oklahoma governor). I saw the edit war going on, and I went to warn User:Jkp212 about 3RR. When on his page I saw the dispute with John celona, and went to investigate John's contributions. I was amazed at what I saw there. He had been edit-warring with several established editors on at least five articles, and this was just in the past day. The edit-wars were over John's adding numerous articles to the category:American criminals. He repeatedly reverted others with the edit summary "RfC pending. Stop edit warring", even though he never filed the RfC (at least, I never saw it), and he was edit warring himself. I figured it was a case for WP:AN3, because if ever there was an editor who needed a block for edit warring, it was John celona. I was disappointed with Deacon's reaction, because I think it was clear that John was edit warring, refusing to discuss with other editors, and ignoring multiple 3RR warnings. I understand Deacon's reason for declining the request, because technically the 4 reverts on the article in question were not within a 24 hour period, but the 3RR noticeboard did state that it comes down to an admin's judgment, not a strict application of the three-revert rule.

That incident caused me more frustration than any other personal incident on Wikipedia. The reason why I was upset was because Deacon never addressed my point about John's contributions, and instead focused on accusing me of various things that I didn't feel were accurate. I now realize I should not have brought it to 3RR, even though it was clear edit warring. Perhaps WP:AN/I, because it wasn't something that could be boiled down to simple edit-warring on one article. I also don't feel Deacon handled it properly, but in the end, I need to focus on what parts of my behavior I can improve, because I certainly can't do anything about the way others choose to behave.

Follow-up question

Do still think that your use of rollback was appropriate in those instances and that the edits you reverted constituted WP:Vandalism? Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 18:45, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A: Perhaps I said it wrong. Maybe it wasn't out and out vandalism, but I'm not sure what to call it when someone acts in bad faith, ignores warnings, and repeatedly edit-wars across multiple articles with multiple established editors, while all the while refusing to discuss it.

General comments

See Enigmaman's edit summary usage with mathbot's tool. For the edit count, see the talk page.

Links for Enigmaman: Enigmaman (talk · contribs · deleted · count · AfD · logs · block log · lu · rfar · spi)

Please keep discussion constructive and civil. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review Special:Contributions/Enigmaman before commenting.

Discussion

I've neither supported nor opposed this candidate, but I must say, I've never seen such blatant assumptions of bad faith, as are currently being made in the oppose section. Opposing because the candidate showed support for a retired editor? Opposing because the candidate edited the same article as you? Because 35% the candidate's edits are in mainspace (what the hell is that)? This RfA looks more like a vendetta by a small group of editors, rather than an evaluation of a candidate's worthiness to be an admin. - auburnpilot talk 16:29, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

- Thank you for the fairness of your comment AuburnPilot. ... and we still wonder why so very many editors won't go anywhere near RfA? Enigma clearly shows a very strong propensity towards commonsense and good judgement - including support of those that are quick to bring out their "beefed up" oppose stick.--VS ^talk 22:04, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support

Nom-support - He's just awesome. Scarian ^{Call me Pat!} 13:53, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support Enigmaman is a civil, helpful and conscientious contributor and I have total confidence in his ability to work effectively at AIV, RFPP and SSP. EJF (talk) 13:52, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support! →Christian .И 13:58, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support with pleasure. I once had an issue with Enigma in which we differed in opinion. He was cordial and well mannered. I think he is very knowledgeable and ready for the role and I'm absolutely sure he can be trusted. SynergeticMaggot (talk) 13:59, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Co-nom support. Seraphim♥Whipp 14:10, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support. Actually, I'm pretty sure I offered to nominate E-man at least twice. He (probably wisely) turned me down in prior attempts, to gain more experience. E-man has been a superb editor with high quality editing. A pleasure to support, absolutely no hesitation on my part. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:12, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Your not the only one he turned down. :) SynergeticMaggot (talk) 14:19, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I can think of at least 10 editors...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:47, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support Proud to say yes here. Best of luck to you, Enigmaman! GlassCobra 14:13, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support - I have great trust in VirtualSteve's judgment. What I've seen from Enigmaman has been positive and I find nothing to give me pause. Lara❤Love 14:23, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You are far too kind Lara - blessings to you also :) --VS ^talk 22:19, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support good candidate. - Diligent Terrier (and friends) 14:42, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom's. Dloh cierekim 14:42, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support --Baiji (talk) 14:43, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support. This editor knows his stuff. Plenty of experience and communicates civily. A fair amount of his mainspace work is automated reverts, but he's got some other mainspace work mixed in there as well. Should be fine. Useight (talk) 14:54, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I need to start paying more attention. This is the second candidate that's come up recently that I didn't realize wasn't already an admin. *facepalm* EVula // talk // ☯ // 15:16, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
And just think, if you're lucky, this might be the first candidate you can promote to admin!Balloonman (talk) 15:21, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
EVula, if you say you'll promote this candidate even though you already offered your support of this candidate, I'll retract my support over there...:-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:23, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Those of you who watch the RFA talk page have probably seem me mention a potential coachee that I turned down because he didn't need coaching and coaching would be "gaming the system." Well, now you know who I was talking about. I reviewed E-man about a month ago and thought he was clearly ready for adminship. I did, however, notice that he stubbed his toes with a rollback issue and suggested that he wait a few weeks before running. I'm glad he did so. I'm only disappointed that he rejected my offer to nominate him. E-man is one of the few people who meets my criteria for Strong SupportBalloonman (talk) 15:20, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Über support I have interacted with Enigmaman on several occasions, and have seen a lot of good things from him. RC-0722 ^361.0/1 15:27, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support reliable user. Speed CG ^Talk 15:34, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support Have seen around and have been impressed. I watchlisted this about 4 weeks ago during his participation in a discussion with which I was particularly impressed. Very unlikely to abuse the tools. Good luck. Orderinchaos 15:37, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent foresight watchlisting this before everyone else OIC - I am impressed.--VS ^talk 00:00, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support have seen Enigmaman around and I see no issues with his contributions. I see a good amount of work on and discussion about improving articles and nothing that would make me question his ability to be a solid admin. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 15:43, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support. I'm sure this guy was close to an RfB, rather than an RfA, he's that good at what he does. Definitely feel he'd be a great admin. weburiedoursecrets inthegarden 15:45, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support - I've only seen good things. Wisdom89 _{(_T / ^C)} 15:49, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support. This is an RFA I've been watching for. Good luck, Malinaccier P. (talk) 16:24, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Of course Sceptre ^(talk) 16:31, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support There's nothing enigmatic about my support for this candidate. Ecoleetage (talk) 16:55, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support - The AN3 thing was a technical mistake, but the interpersonal issue with Deacon didn't even look that heated. I mean, where are the caps for goodness sake? Its not a virtual argument until someone starts virtual yelling. "aghhh... stop yelling, you're too loud for my eyes to read you." *sigh*... I really crack myself up sometimes. Anyhow, back to the point, this editor looks like they'll do just swell with the mop. Good luck! Hiberniantears (talk) 17:12, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Complete absence of swearing and allegations about contributors' mothers, as well. Orderinchaos 18:43, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support Antonio Lopez ^(talk) 18:21, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support Seems like a very good editor. From what I can tell he's civil and he's good with fellow editors. Several thousand user talk edits backs this up, although I realize much of that is warning vandalis. I'm seeing a good balance between mainspace and Wikipedia edits, although I'd like to see more template and category edits. I see him around quite often, and I think he'd make a great admin. Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 18:37, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Okay, first off I would like to say that the answer to Q#4 is better than most candidates I have run into, but still disappointing. Just because there are more than 2 users edit warring, does not mean you can not block, and ultimately I would prefer you to block over protecting the article. As I like to say: "Take the keys away from the drunk driver to protect others on the road, but do not close the whole road down because a few drunks are a danger to other drivers". But I think that the answer to Q#8 really balances out my concerns, and think that the answer to that question was great. 3RR should not be a set in stone rule, but instead something to help stop an edit war from continuing, and if 3RR gets in the way of stopping disruption to an article then ignore 3RR and block the user for edit warring. Overall your answers show thoughtfulness and I hope you carry that on as a administrator. No concerns supporting. Tiptoety ^talk 18:47, 28 May 2008 (UTC) Changed to Weak support per concerns raised by Irpen. I guess I need to do more investigation than I did :( Tiptoety ^talk 22:23, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support No real reason for concern. Equiping this candidate with admin tools would be a net benefit to the project. By the way, I like the answer given to Q1 regarding not enough attention being given to WP:SSP - I fully agree. SWik78 (talk • contribs) 18:46, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Has my trust, no problems here. Good answers to questions (esp. #8). Tan | 39 19:04, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support nomination describes a very good potential admin. Vishnava_talk 19:17, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support I've enjoyed entirely positive personal interaction with the candidate. I would advise Enigmaman to take it easy, per concerns in oppose, but I trust he will ask before acting when needed. Other than that a Net Positive. Pedro : Chat 20:26, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Pedro (I hate to do a "per XXXX" support, it's just he said almost exactly what I was going to say....) J.delanoy ^gabs analyse 20:58, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support Dammit, I told him to canvass me when he ran! MBisanz ^talk 21:13, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Co-nom support - belated by world time differences and glad to see such numbers in support already.--VS ^talk 21:22, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support Of course. I always forgot that he was not already an admin. He thoroughly knows policy and is civil & friendly. Best of luck. hmwith τ 21:39, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support First off, I've known Enigmaman for about 3 month now. I was very impressed of his contributions and his knowledge of wikipedia policies back then. I even adopted him. I asked him questions and he answered all of them correctly with brief reasonings and explanations. His questions and answers are located at User:Enigmaman/Adoptee Tests/Finished Tests. Although the adoption didn't last long, Enigmaman was a very fine editor back then until now. He does a good job at reverting vandalism, improving articles, and a lot more. I've been watching his talk page and there are no problems with this user's editing. I believe his experience as an editor can be brought to the next level. He is a trusted user to me and I believe he is ready for that mop. Good luck! Regards, RyRy5 (talk) 00:22, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support - perfect candidate. No valid reason to oppose this one. Can be trusted with the mop. Libs (talk) 01:24, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support While I have never really communicated with Enigma (he's kind of hard to figure out at times......... get it? "hard to figure".... enigma? ..... nevermind...), I've always been very impressed with what I've seen and my literal thought when I saw he was going for admin was: "You've got to be kidding me, he's not already an admin??!" A quick review of his contribs and talk page revealed no major issues ~~and I am not overly concerned about the "American criminals" incident as I feel he handled the issue reasonably well. Also, hs answer to Q8 was very well-written.~~ Thingg^⊕^⊗ 02:05, 29 May 2008 (UTC) strike that, I was looking at the wrong oppose... I still don't think you will make a bad admin, but you may want to take it a little easy if you encounter a similar situation in the future (especially if you have sysop powers. Thingg^⊕^⊗ 02:11, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support No problems here. --S iva1979^{Talk to me} 02:43, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support - excellent admin qualities. — Athaenara ✉ 03:45, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Strongest Support Possible Good luck bud, your ol' adopter is very proud. You'll be a great sysop. Cheers! Burner0718 ^JibbaJabba! 03:58, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I believe that Enigma will be a net positive to the project with the tools. Singu larity 03:59, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Prior to the issues raised here, I had this RfA watchlisted. I thought I could easily trust Enigmaman. The issues there are concerning, and I may switch, but at the moment I hope and feel I can still trust this user. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 05:14, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support. communication skills make up for lack of 'pedia building thus far, but hopefully we'll get you writing stuff as well. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:28, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Pains me to go against Deacon, who I think raises some valid points, and to a lesser extent, east(although I do not agree with the characterization that Enigma is totally disinterested in article building), but I totally agree that Enigma would be a net positive with the tools. MrPrada (talk) 09:15, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support will be a good admin. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 09:59, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support I've seen this user around and had good experiences. Spencer^T♦^C 10:58, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Rudget (Help?) 12:23, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support Please, someone, tell me when Wikipedia gets easier...every judgment call seems to require different judgment. In this case, I'm supporting because I'm just not following the logic of most of the opposes; it seems rather off-topic, and there are enough opposes that I'm starting to worry. Scarian's support, turning down previous nominations, generally solid and careful (with one obvious mistake)...that all works for me. - Dan Dank55 (talk)(mistakes) 15:08, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support No concerns about abusing the tools in stated areas of interest. I like the answers to the first three questions that show a willingness to acknowledge and learn from incidents. --Gwguffey (talk) 16:09, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support Looks like a solid contributor with a lot of promise. I would feel better if a little more time had passed since the last controversial episode, but I am reassured that he is being mentored, which I hope continues into the first part of his adminship, and that he rely on senior admins for advice until he gets comfortable with the tools.--Filll (talk | wpc) 16:13, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support I have to in this case. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 16:15, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
dorftrottel (talk) 16:22, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Hey Enigma, I thought I told you to let me know when you were having an RFA! :P · AndonicO ^Engage. 16:27, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Solid. Toddst1 (talk) 21:56, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support - I thought his answers to two of the eight AGF Challenge 2 were fine and I note the capacity to learn and the awareness of policies --Matilda ^talk 00:30, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support, appears to be a capable editor who won't misuse or abuse the tools. --Rory096 02:06, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support as I think that Enigmaman's learned from the incident raised by Irpen, and otherwise I'd agree with the statements by Keeper76 et al. --Bfigura ^(talk) 03:51, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support - good enough track record and reasonable answers to the questions. The comments accompanying the opposes below really have failed to sway me in any strong way. Nor have I seen an civility or BITEiness issues with this candidate, and that's a big concern of mine at RfA. He should be just fine! - Alison ^❤ 05:40, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support Trust And Needs are met :)Prom3th3an (talk) 07:16, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support I gave this user a barnstar recently and he deserves my support. Roadrunnerz45 ^{(talk 2 me)} 07:20, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support Does a good job, but I hope he adds more content soon though. --Wildthing2022000 04:10, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support Enigma is a heck of an editor and I agree with Scarian - he is awesome. A highly dedicated, motiviated, and positive editor, his prowess with wikitools is almost such that admin rights are almost superfluous, he is exactly the kind of wikignome who would make good use of them, and ought to be trusted with them. I must take issue with the "trigger happy" characterization. This is an unfair [and non-AGF] spin on how quick and effective Enigma is at reacting to vandalism. Enigma's presence on Wikipedia makes it a better place. He is extremely dedicated to making it a better place, and I have total confidence that he will use admin rights to continue to make it a better place - and with humility at that. I am happy to support this RfA - if anything, I'm surprised it's taken until now to get him to accept the many offers to nominate him. Non Curat Lex (talk) 08:13, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Oppose per limited main space contributions, currently only around 35 % of total edits, less than his activity on usertalk space. M.K. (talk) 15:03, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Just to be clear, do you object to the number of mainspace edits (well over a thousand) or just the percentage breakdown of places where he chooses to contribute? --Rory096 02:06, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, as stated, ran into this user a little while ago. The mistakes he made aren't uncommon in the wider user community, and it wasn't my finest hour either I should add. But the performance is worrying coming so close to his RfA. Particular concern was the misuse of rollback (see this and edits around this) and subsequent defense by attacking me and incorrectly identifying the reverted edits as vandalism. I told him that such use leads to rollback privileges being removed, and he accused me of threatening him ... which I guess was one way of putting it, but hardly a mature way of depicting the admin's responsibility to enforce rollback use. Scarian came on to my page the next day telling me Enigmaman knows policy well and that I should ignore all rules when it came to this, which probably indicates where he got it from. But temperament and block-keenness are concerns for me still. He is astute sometimes though and firm with the vandals, and has good social networking skills. I oppose however for my normal reasons to which the former stuff is incidental ... namely because of his lack of article-building experience/inclination. We don't need any more such admins until the balance is redressed, though in this case, in the unlikely event of the failure of this RfA, another few months of vandal-zapping experience may make me overlook this in favour of his merits there. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 15:43, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Deacon, did you mean to make a veiled insultive gesture towards my apparent laissez-faire attitude in that situation? Did you mean to write "social networking skills", despite knowing that Wikipedia is not a social networking platform? And, lastly, how will "vandal zapping", as you put it (since when have humans been bugs?!), allow you to overlook the incident? I find your oppose to be riddled with, apparently subconscious, angst. It appears subconscious because no one would be uncivil enough to write like that now, would they? :-) Scarian ^{Call me Pat!} 15:59, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Scarian, we knew that Deacon was going to oppose based upon this incident. It is a Good Faith oppose for what Deacon considers to be a valid reason. If I wasn't familiar with Engima from other activities, I too might oppose based upon this incident---but in my opinion, this was an isolated case. No need to dredge up skeletons. Deacon has legitimate concerns.Balloonman (talk) 16:03, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree that we don't need more admins of any category, but I can kind of see your point that we need admins with direct article and content experience - I've certainly supported many applications on that basis. There is different types of admins though and we need all of them in order to do the best job. Orderinchaos 16:04, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
At Scarian, as this is needed (per Orderinchaos), if he gets more experience I'd regard his adminship as a net-benefit (benefits outweighing the loss). But not at the moment. The list of problems that the current imbalance has caused is almost endless and I and others have written about it many times. Regards, Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 16:07, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I had your talkpage on my watchlist when the Deacon incident occurred and was quite concerned. Too soon for me. naerii - talk 17:49, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oh and per the begging David Shankbone to come back. naerii - talk 18:02, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't beg anyone to do anything. I signed something that said "Please ~~spam this talk page~~ sign here to show your appreciation for the extensive work that David Shankbone has done on Wikipedia." I confess that I don't really understand your oppose. Enigma ^message 18:15, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Opposing somebody for adminship because they showed support for another editor? That wins the "bizarre oppose of the week" award. - auburnpilot talk 18:28, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Er, yeah, I have to say that I don't see this as, for lack of a better term, an "oppose-worthy action". Showing solidarity with an editor who has made significant strides to help Wikipedia (and really, the entire family or projects under the WMF umbrella) is a decidedly good thing in my book. Yes, it was largely symbollic and not likely to actual affect any true change, but it's still not a significant lapse in judgement on par with, say, reporting a non-vandal IP to AIV. EVula // talk // ☯ // 19:24, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
We already have enough admins who condone disruptive behaviour and unblock disruptive people that would be better off staying blocked (the names Giano, MONGO, and JzG come to mind). I oppose promoting yet more people that will make disruptive editors believe that they are in the right, that their behaviour is actually OK, etc. This is much worse than making a mistake in reporting someone to AIV. Coming out and saying you'd like someone who goes around calling female editors 'cunts' to come back [2] after retiring in a huff after being called out for said attacks is not the kind of judgement I'd like to see coming from an admin. naerii - talk 11:53, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You can get all that from signing with a signature? Seems a little far fetched in my opinion. Rudget (Help?) 12:03, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hear Hear Rudget. Interesting noises made by all of this stone casting don't you think?--VS ^talk 12:13, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Certainly. Rudget (Help?) 12:22, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Strongly Oppose No more block happy, chattering non-content contributing admins, especially ones who misunderstand basic policies. I shared in the above mentioned encounter with this user last month. He had incorrectly filed a 3RR report, to which User:Deacon of Pndapetzim correctly listed as no violation. He then pestered Deacon to block him anyway, which Deacon refused to do. As you see, Engimaman accused the user of doing "nothing but edit warring", but the first thing you could see on Enigmaman's contributions was Enigmaman massively reverting the user in question and abusing rollback to do it.[3] [4] [5] [6][7] [8] [9] [10]. Deacon told him that misusing rollback like that leads to it being removed, so Enigmaman instead of acknowledging he should comply with policy started leaving irate messages on Deacon's talk page accusing him of "threatening" him: "Your comment was a veiled threat, because it came from an administrator. I am very familiar with WP:rollback, and I used it in this case because the user's edits are vandalism."[11]. He left a few more belligerent posts, which prompted me to intervene and point out his misunderstanding of these policies, and he then accused me of "harassing" him and was generally impolite.[12]. What is hardest to understand about his misunderstandings of WP:vandalism and WP:Rollback are that just two days before this he had chided User:SynergeticMaggot for exactly the same thing. Enigmaman might be ok being baby-sat by Scarian and others, but out on his own would probably be disastrous. --Irpen 19:08, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Moved poor response by scarian and subsequent discussion to talk page as it doesn't deal with content of oppose or candidate.Balloonman (talk) 20:14, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Let's face it. Enigma blew it here. He responded poorly to both Irpen and to Deacon. In fact, it was the only reason why I didn't nom him back in April. But if you take out this isolated issue, I think you will see a candidate with a solid record. Yes, he made a mistake, and he can't hide from it. But he has a solid track record of sucesses that caught the attention of myself and several other experienced admins. If I could take that short period of time and erase if from Engima's history, I would. It was not his finest hour. Despite that isolated incident, which I looked into at the time, and am critical of, I still believe E-man will be a strong admin. (Note: I find absolutely no credence to Miranda's oppose below---so he conflicted with you on one page, that he was editing before you today, what other evidence do you have about wikistalking?)Balloonman (talk) 21:27, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
100% concur with balloonman. An isolated incident that I'm positive that Enigmaman has learned from. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:30, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sure that others will note also that SynergeticMaggot has a different view to Irpen despite being referenced by him above. Indeed his comment states Support with pleasure. I once had an issue with Enigma in which we differed in opinion. He was cordial and well mannered. I think he is very knowledgeable and ready for the role and I'm absolutely sure he can be trusted.--VS ^talk 22:17, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with Irpen and MK. More contributions on mainspace would fare well with this user. Note: appreciate the last minute effort. I don't appreciate you edit-conflicting me on the article that I was copyediting. I had to revert your mistakes due to you not understanding MOS. However, my oppose still strongly stands. <personal attack removed> miranda 19:49, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
With respect, I'm pretty sure he's just helping out. Seraphim♥Whipp 21:08, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Your final comment makes no sense Miranda - I have looked at the edit history you link to (Natalee Holloway) and Enigmaman was actually there before you - indeed it looks like you followed him - can you explain this part of your oppose comment?--VS ^talk 21:43, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Miranda did edit before Enigmaman (compare:[13][14]). It's not grounds for a personal attack (which as since been removed), but it's not quite as senseless as you initially thought. EVula // talk // ☯ // 21:04, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, Miranda was there the day before, but she is upset about an edit conflict that occured the following day---at a time when Enigma was editing the article first. Now I don't know why Enigma was there---perhaps because it was at FAC? Perhaps a fluke? Perhaps because of Miranda? I don't know, but editing one page in common is not wikistalking---even if you end up there because you were checking out the edits of another person. Wikistalking is a significant criticism, that does not AGF. Per the link provided, Miranda is accusing Enigma of Wikistalking refers to the act of following an editor to another article to continue disruption. It goes on to state, The important part is the disruption. Miranda is accusing Enigma of stalking her, when the ONLY evidence provided is good faith edits on a single article. She then complains that he edit conflicted her, implying that he did so intentionally... but during that particular editing session, Enigma was there first. Even if he wasn't Miranda does not own the article.Balloonman (talk) 03:15, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
per Miranda and Irpen. Nousernamesleft^{copper, not wood} 20:25, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Dean, Irpen and Miranda Alex Bakharev (talk) 21:44, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Just say no to cookie-cutter admins. I don't like to see candidates who have prepared (or been prepared) for adminship. Training people to pass an RFA is very dubious. Adminship isn't something we're supposed to prepare for, it's just some extra tools we give editors when we notice that they're already clueful. Friday (talk) 00:44, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Being prepared is something we do for most meaningful things in life---from our first communion to pre-marriage counseling, to testing for our drivers license, preparing for the SAT/GRE, to getting our first job. When done right, training and preparation are never a bad thing. To oppose a person for seeking guidance/wisdom from others is perhaps even more ridiculous than some of the other notions we've seen here.Balloonman (talk) 01:02, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Bullseye. No offense to Mr. Friday. I've seen good things from this user. But, this is now the second time (the first should be obvious) I've seen this kind of an oppose. Instead of assuming the candidate is being prepared to pass RfA, have you taken the time to gander at the coaching page? Wisdom89 _{(_T / ^C)} 01:09, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, in this case there is no coaching page, thus we can't see what kind of advice was given or what kind of training occured... but the assumption should be for favorable training, not poor. :( Balloonman (talk) 01:14, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, Enigmaman just notified me on my talk page that was no "formal training". I am completely baffled by the oppose. Wisdom89 _{(_T / ^C)} 01:15, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting comment by Friday - aren't we all being prepared daily for life on Wikipedia - isn't that the idea of a community, policies, guidelines etc?--VS ^talk 01:19, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, many of Wikipedia's policies are great life lessons (WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA come to mind). Or were you referring to being prepared for "life on Wikipedia" as opposed to being "prepared for life" on Wikipedia, as I initially thought? Useight (talk) 01:25, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'll try to explain better, altho I'm not sure I can. It's possible Enigmaman is simply a victim unfortunately caught in the crossfire here- he may well be an already-clueful editor like I say we should find. My problem is, I don't know that. I can't tell how clueful he is, from what I see here. What I can tell is that I see some supports which I think are based on him having gone through the admin-preparation motions. So, I offer my oppose to offset (a tiny bit) those supports. Friday (talk) 04:31, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
So in other words, rather than base your opinion on something concrete, you are assuming the worst and defaulting to an oppose?Balloonman (talk) 04:37, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well.. I certainly wouldn't put it that way. But RFA as we currently know it is a guessing game. I'm offering the best guesses I can. Not everyone will agree. Friday (talk) 04:44, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You have a right to not be sure what type of editor Engima is - but in that case with respect your !vote belongs in the Neutral column.--VS ^talk 04:49, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Less-than-flattering editing from less than a month ago? I'm all for appreciating that people learn from their mistakes, but that's way too short a time period to prove that you won't do it again. Per Deacon and Irpen. Daniel (talk) 00:54, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I also agree totally with Friday in regards to general principle, although I am not sure whether it is applicable here, so I didn't include it as part of my main rationale when opposing. Daniel (talk) 00:56, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
per Dean, Irpen, Miranda and Friday (above). Also failure to answer Filll's question(s). Shot info (talk) 01:33, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It's an optional question to which Enigma states he is preparing an answer (and to which two other editors have noted concerns over and that it has problems being discussed by the community.--VS ^talk 01:49, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per the above. Ani Mate 02:20, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No more admins that are uninterested in content, please. east.718 at 06:01, May 29, 2008
Friday has a good point. The latest Giano debacle has shed new light on what sort of admins we certainly don't want here. --Ghirla^-трёп- 06:22, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Per Friday. Asenine 08:50, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Oppose -- per the deeply troubling diffs above. Sorry! --Cameron (T|C) 13:36, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Cameron right above; wikipedia needs responsible admins that will prevent this and this from repeating.--Kuban Cossack 15:13, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, but... where has Enigmaman been "irresponsible"? I see quite the opposite, in fact. Scarian ^{Call me Pat!} 15:20, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose-per Irpen, East.718, and failure to answer Filll's questions. -PetraSchelm (talk) 15:36, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
As much as I am in favor of candidates answering my question, I would ask that failure to answer an optional question not be the deciding factor in the support or opposition of any candidate. In addition, I would note that this candidate is clearly in the process of writing up his response to the question, so I would ask that we reserve judgement on this. Let the candidate have a chance here. If there are other strong reasons to oppose, then I understand, but I think failure to answer an optional question when the candidate is clearly working on it is a bit much. Thanks.--Filll (talk | wpc) 16:07, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - this is too recent. PhilKnight (talk) 16:19, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
To save the readers of your comment the trouble of having to dig to arrive at a more complete impression, here's the relevant part of the article history. Also, there are several interesting exchanges at User:John celona's talk page, including stuff like I'll take it as a threat. Go to hell. The final solution is a hoax.John celona 13:52, 19 July 2007 (UTC). dorftrottel (talk) 16:50, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per same diff as Phil ([15]) - saying "how dare you tell someone to stop edit warring" in the edit summary while edit-warring? No thanks. Neıl 龱 16:47, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You may want to take another look at John celona's talk page. dorftrottel (talk) 16:51, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for several reasons. First, the many problematic things noted above. Second, for a lack of understanding of what Wikipedia is. People who police fair use image abuses are called "Deletionist Jihadists" by comments restored by him, and then he defends restoring the personal insult as a "funny rant". Yet, if someone calls his target a "fat nerd" he reverts it as vandalism. How is "fat nerd" vandalism, and "deletionist jihadist" not? I also do not like the conflict of interest in his closing an RfA per WP:SNOW just five minutes after he made the first oppose on it. This does not bode well for AfD work. Completely unprepared to be an administrator. --Hammersoft (talk) 17:08, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The comment you attributed to me was a comment by Nhprman. I never called anyone a "deletionist jihadist" or anything whatsoever in that debate, as far as I can remember. Enigma ^message 17:14, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The comment by Nhprman was removed by Betacommand because it was a personal attack. Worse, Betacommand removed it form his own talk page yet you thought it a good idea to restore it. Edit warring a user on his own talk page? Whether you actually spoke the words yourself or not is irrelevant in this context; you restored them, against Betacommand's wishes, and attempted to justify it while removing "fat nerd". It's senseless. --Hammersoft (talk) 17:23, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That is not true. I did not justify it with "fat nerd" or anything of the sort. Enigma ^message 17:25, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Please read more carefully. You didn't attempt to justify the restored insult with "fat nerd". You attempted to justify the restoration of the insult while calling "fat nerd" vandalism on the same page. That's inconsistent in the least. --Hammersoft (talk) 17:33, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You already said that I called people "deletionist jihadists", which is simply not true. Enigma ^message 17:37, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You did restore the comment, not seeing that there was problem with it. In effect, you were agreeing with it and edit warring with Betacommand on his own talk page. You seemed to think someone asking you if you support censorship was a personal attack and removed it as such from your talk page. How would you feel if someone came along and restored it, against your wishes? The fact that you restored the insult against Betacommand's wishes and then tried to justify it as a "funny rant" is appalling. If this is what you think is good judgment, you're not suited to being an administrator. I'd hate to see what you would do with the admin bit. --Hammersoft (talk) 17:46, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Restoring something is not agreeing with it, any more than thanking someone for their contributions is supporting every action they ever did. I would never have said that comment, and I don't agree with it. Finally, the issues on Betacommandbot's page are well over three months in the past. More recently was this. Enigma ^message 17:54, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Did you or did you not restore the comments? Did you or did you not refer to them as "funny rants"? Did you or did you not remove a comment by another user as a personal attack from that page which attack said "fat nerd"? These are pure, bare facts. You can not refute them. The inconsistency in restoring "deletionist jihadist" and removing "fat nerd" shows an appalling lack of proper judgment to be an administrator. The fact it is three months in the past is irrelevant when you are still defending your actions as right and proper. That makes it as current as right now. --Hammersoft (talk) 18:15, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The "deletionist Jihadists" comment really bothers me. Some of the other comments also bother me. I've written recently that civility is one of the most important criteria by which I judge administrators, and I'm not impressed by some poor choices this candidate has made. Shalom (Hello • Peace) 19:54, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Just to be clear; As Enigmaman notes, he did not pen the comment himself. However, he did restore it to Betacommand's talk page just two minutes after Beta had removed it, and then called it a "funny rant". --Hammersoft (talk) 21:17, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hammersoft - your comments above and in particular your starting your post with words that specify that the words Deletionist Jihadists were used by Enigma ... People who police fair use image abuses are called "Deletionist Jihadists" by him ... are very unfair, and they are untrue. Shame for this sort of tabloid journalism style of oppose, which it seems have now flowed into future opposes. Especially sad because it appears that Enigma has at many times defended you. I hope that Enigma comes here to remind you how he has.--VS ^talk 21:33, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I misunderstood. Using a term like "deletionist Jihadists" on your own initiative is indefensible. Restoring someone else's comment, and calling it a "funny rant", is a little less indefensible. Changing to weak oppose. Shalom (Hello • Peace) 21:47, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've added a few words to clarify it. To me, him restoring the comments and then defending them equated in my mind to agreeing with the insult, especially when he was at the time on a long string of attempts to get BetacommandBot shut down, with considerable negativity towards Betacommand in the process. --Hammersoft (talk) 21:50, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There is a vast difference between saying something equates in your mind as ... (I do not deny that you are entitled to an opinion) and saying that the words used were actually Enigma's. Indeed as I said above, the way you put the beginning of your post was designed to influence poorly and it has done so - but with far less fairness than fellow editors should bestow on one another - particularly given that Engima has a history of supporting you. In my mind this equates to you owing him an apology.--VS ^talk 21:57, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Fine. I apologize for not wording it correctly. That error has been corrected. The facts of the case still stand; Enigmaman reverted Betacommand's removal of the insult from Beta's talk page, and then defended it as a "funny rant". This is an appalling lack of judgment. --Hammersoft (talk) 22:12, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per [16] as above. When a user removes a message from their own talk page, it is taken as acknowledgment that they have read it and, obviously, it follows that they do not wish to reply. Restoring the comment, particularly when it is nothing but a personal attack, shows a severe lapse in judgment. --B (talk) 21:47, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Your comment B is fair and would normally apply - but it was [believed to have been] removed by a Bot from a Bot's page, indeed he called it a "funny rant" because he feels (as many of us do) that it is funny to rant at a Bot. As far as I can see and if you read further Engima made comments to see if the owner of the Bot actually read it first.... PS Actually Hammersoft I see that Engima has provided one link already to where he did try recently to assist you - I urge contributors to read it and see an editor who is not polite, helpful, supportive and mature!--VS ^talk 21:51, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It was not removed by a bot. It was removed by Betacommand himself, who is the owner of that bot's talk page. See for yourself. If you want more concerns about this user's politeness, helpfulness, supportiveness and maturity, then please feel free to review this deliberately false rewording of a warning left on this user's talk page by another editor which was related to Enigmaman's edit warring on the Bobby Petrino article [17][18][19][20][21][22] and see this for more context. --Hammersoft (talk) 22:19, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Unbelievable Hammersoft - You make a mistake with the wording of your post then to justify it you put in all efforts so as to hammer Enigma because he tried to help you is that it? Or no comment?--VS ^talk 22:29, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Attempting to paint Enigmaman in a brighter light by what you are doing is no different. Further, you've made an error above as well claiming a bot removed the personal attack, and haven't corrected it. If my actions are unbelievable, then so are yours. If you have an issue with me, take it up with me. This is not the forum for it. --Hammersoft (talk) 22:32, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I don't have an issue with you personally Hammersoft - I am referring to the unfairness of your posts above from the very first sentence and so it belongs here. But I have done that now and I leave it for you to consider whether Engima has or has not assisted you with your disputes in the past. No further comment by me.--VS ^talk 22:36, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Whether he has or has not does not erase his serious lack of judgment demonstrated at other times in diffs provided by me and others. My posts point to his errors. If pointing out his errors constitutes "unfair", then nobody should ever be allowed to provide a rationale for an oppose. --Hammersoft (talk) 22:41, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Refactoring! So I see that you have now refactored several of Enigma's posts and your own on this very RfA - very interesting.--VS ^talk 22:45, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oh come on. For the love of God I was trying to help Enigma. I was attempting to reduce visibility of a concern that Engima had. Apparently, that's impossible since you're so quick to accuse me of refactoring his comments. See this request by Enigma, and my subsequent posting to the same talk page. Since you seem to think I owed an apology to Enigma, perhaps you'd find it in your heart to give me one as well. Better yet, just remove this comment by me and your "Refactoring!" comment to assist Enigma in his efforts to maintain his privacy. Thank you, --Hammersoft (talk) 22:49, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Time for us to leave this alone Hammersoft. You did refactor by removing comments by yourself (which were clearly incorrect and comments in rebuttal by Engima trying to defend against your incorrectness). You did so without explanation (other than the edit summary attempting to assist) until I posted my immediate concern and you then felt the need to point readers off this RfA to a page that no-one reading this RfA would have known about unless I pointed out the refactoring. Whilst I can acknowledge that you have removed the first and subsequent comments because you were in error (giving you one tick on your books) it is frowned upon to refactor any public page (especially an RfA) without explanation.--VS ^talk 22:56, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
My efforts were to protect Enigma's privacy. You construe that considerably different for reasons unknown to me. So be it. You seem to think I'm attempting to protect my reputation. I don't have a reputation I care to protect. On my own userpage, I've tagged myself as a certified idiot. If it suits you to find some policy-acceptable way to discredit me further, please take whatever opportunity you can as you will most definitely not cause any harm to me in any respect and it seems it makes you happier. I'm all for that. I stand by my good faith actions attempting to protect Enigmaman's privacy. When I realized the level of Enigma's concern, I took action to assist him. --Hammersoft (talk) 23:26, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just leave it and go, Hammersoft. You've made your point. Scarian ^{Call me Pat!} 23:33, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Seriously, Hammersoft, even I do occasionally realise when I've made myself look like I need a helmet indoors and it's high time I shut my own face without posting yet another half-assed reply. Sorry for the rant, but unilaterally altering others' comments, unless acutely necessary, is where I personally draw the line. dorftrottel (talk) 08:40, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Strongly, per all the above. seresin ( ¡? ) 23:03, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Reluctant Oppose. I'm concerned about the possibility of yet another trigger-happy administrator without any significant content-building experience. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 00:14, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Zomg dramaz. Weak Oppose per all above... (Friday, Irpen, Phil, et al...) Qb | ^{your 2 cents} 03:29, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral

Neutral for the moment, I'd like to see you answer Filll's question. RMHED (talk) 02:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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 #::::::::::My efforts were to protect Enigma's privacy. [[Wikipedia:Assume bad faith|You construe that considerably different for reasons unknown to me]]. So be it. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:VirtualSteve&diff=prev&oldid=215842548 You seem to think I'm attempting to protect my reputation]. I don't have a reputation I care to protect. On my own userpage, I've tagged myself as a certified idiot. If it suits you to find some policy-acceptable way to discredit me further, please take whatever opportunity you can as you will most definitely not cause any harm to me in any respect and it seems it makes you happier. I'm all for that. I stand by my good faith actions attempting to protect Enigmaman's privacy. When I realized [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Alison&diff=prev&oldid=215835175 the level of Enigma's concern], I took action to assist him. --[[User:Hammersoft|Hammersoft]] ([[User talk:Hammersoft|talk]]) 23:26, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 #:Just leave it and go, Hammersoft. You've made your point. [[User:Scarian|<font color="black" face="tahoma">Scarian</font>]][[User_talk:Scarian|<font color="red"><sup>Call me Pat!</sup></font>]] 23:33, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
+#:Seriously, Hammersoft, even ''I'' do occasionally realise when I've made myself look like I need a helmet indoors and it's high time I shut my own face without posting [[WP:WORD|yet another half-assed reply]]. Sorry for the rant, but unilaterally altering others' comments, unless ''acutely'' necessary, is where I personally draw the line. <big>[[User:Dorftrottel#DT|dor<!-- -->ftrottel]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Dorftrottel|talk]])</big>  08:40, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 #Strongly, per all the above. '''[[User:Seresin|seresin]] ( [[User talk:Seresin|¡?]] )''' 23:03, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 #'''Reluctant Oppose'''. I'm concerned about the possibility of yet another trigger-happy administrator without any significant content-building experience. --[[User:Malleus Fatuarum|Malleus Fatuorum]] ([[User talk:Malleus Fatuarum|talk]]) 00:14, 30 May 2008 (UTC)