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Wiel Arets

Wiel Arets (Heerlen, 14 mei 1955) is a Dutch architect. He graduated from the TU Eindhoven in 1983. In the following year he started his own firm, Wiel Arets architect & associates, in Heerlen. He prefers simple and abstract compositions. His palet is very sparse and he prefers black and white (including for his own clothes; he usually dresses in black).

His main claim to fame is his design for the Academie voor Beeldende Kunsten in Maastricht; his design for the Universiteitsbibliotheek in Utrecht is also praised. With Jo Coenen he collaborated in the restauration of the glaspaleis in his birthplace Heerlen, and designed a number of pharmacies (?) in the south of the Netherlands. In Hapert he designed a complete Medisch Centrum (Oude Provinciale weg 81/Lindenstraat Hapert). The form language of neo-modernisme is combined with an abstract, placid aesthetic. His favorite building material is the glass brick.

Awards

In 2005, Wiel Arets received the BNA-Kubus, the oldest award for architecture in the Netherlands. The jury appreciated the remarkable quality of his work and praises his extraordinary contribution to architecture. The Kubus is awarded annually since 1965; previous winners include Herman Hertzberger, Wim Quist, Jo Coenen, Jo van den Broek, Benthem Crouwel and Hubert-Jan Henket, and Wessel de Jonge.

Also in 2005 Arets received the Rietveldprijs for his design for the Universiteitsbibliotheek on De Uithof in Utrecht, which came with a check for 7500 euro. The Stichting Rietveldprijs awards the prize every other year to an architect who builds a remarkable building in Utrecht. Past winners include Koen van Velsen, Mart van Schijndel, and Rem Koolhaas.

References

This apparently has something to do with a thread on this page...

Signing so this will be archived. Gracias Drmies for translation. Although the pharmacies issue makes me wonder whether you are really Dutch? ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:33, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

It was about time you had one of these

		The Surreal Barnstar
		For special merits in Dragon breeding.

Irony

Steely

Steely!

Even Steelier!

Goldie!

Goldie!

Articleworthy?

Hey old friend! My latest abomination: I Get That a Lot Daniel Christensen (talk) 16:05, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Looks good to me DC. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:24, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Batu Hijau mine

See if you can get some pictures for the Batu Hijau mine. That is if you can pry yourself away from baconian controversies. Cheerios.--kelapstick (talk) 00:05, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

you may have to fly there.--kelapstick (talk) 00:05, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Bike rides

Hey CoM, can you find a way to merge this information into The Strand (bicycle path)? I don't know this stuff well enough and don't have time to learn. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 16:22, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Done. Would you like me to fold your laundry also?  :) Only kidding. First you went after running and now biking. Soon we will be stuck on our couches eating bacon. A perfect world? ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:09, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

I only run if I am being chased.--kelapstick (talk) 17:10, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

We had grits this morning, so I had to fry some bacon too, that's mandatory. I hope to finish this batch soon so I can get to the Niman Ranch, which is really tasty (and preferable for covering with chocolate). And thanks, but no thanks--I'm very picky about how my laundry is folded, and I don't approve of the American way (with the front of the t-shirt facing out, so to speak). On running, I'm with you, Kelapstick. Well, far behind you, probably. Drmies (talk) 17:32, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

I was unaware of this.--kelapstick (talk) 17:35, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Interesting point. Is that a specifically Canadian capability? (You know I've never met either a Canadian or a chicken?) Drmies (talk) 18:06, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Bacon and tomato sandwich for lunch, and yes we can turn into chickens at will. You've never met a Canadian? So I guess there is no way you can refute that statement!--kelapstick (talk) 19:41, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Obama is a Democrat

Thanks for adding an extra voice into stating the NPOV obvious on Obama's political positions page.  EJNOGARB  17:31, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Re...

...this, thanks! Drmies (talk) 18:11, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Woodman's of Essex and Lawrence Woodman

On April 3, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Woodman's of Essex, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

On April 3, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Lawrence Woodman, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 21:37, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

• Woohoo! Congratulations! Thanks for letting me play! Drmies (talk) 22:16, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Tobacky

I've rephrase (hopefully) to give preference to the article rather than original synthesis. The article and the quoted bit mentions the promise and the "breaking" of the promise so hopefully all are satisfied. Grsz¹¹ 02:18, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Looks okay to me. Thanks for the note. I saw today that calls to tobacco help lines are supposedly increasing. On the other hand, taxes on cigarettes are a big revenue source for Government.  :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:24, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

And if it's going to healthcare, is there really a downside? It's one of those double-ended swords. You raise the hell out of the tax but hope they still steal or else it's pointless. Of course, I can't really see any significant drop in use forthcoming. Grsz¹¹ 02:27, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Bacon cabal news

Bacon mania strikes wikipedia??? [2] ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:26, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Ha! You the man! Drmies (talk) 03:38, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

<mr burns>Excellent</mr burns>--kelapstick (talk) 03:39, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

And Turbaconducken...can there be such a thing, me hopes so.--kelapstick (talk) 03:41, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

:)

I found this in Kelapstick's sandbox... User:Kelapstick/Sandbox5 ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:48, 4 April 2009 (UTC) ‎

I am two steps ahead of you, I had it watched just in case you decided to do something like this, first time hearing the phrase though, help yourself to using it though, I do have a lot on the go there, but a couple are maintenance though. Feel free to expand Dead Hot Workshop in Sandbox 2.--kelapstick (talk) 03:58, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

...that`s crazy talk!--kelapstick (talk) 04:04, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm thinking notability for turbaconducken and BaconToday is a "work in progress". Should I take one of them live just for fun? Think of the good times we've had at Bacon mania!!! ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:07, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

You guys are sick, AND you're making me hungry. Drmies (talk) 05:53, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Mies, Dr., do you call the veggie imitation fakon, facon bacon (is it trademarked?) or facon? Is it a notable subject for its own article? I fear that the Vegans and kosher forces may be allied against us. I think we need to offer more in the way of alternatives. There is after all turkey bacon. Also can you have a look on the bacon mania talk page and see if you can make sense of the Shakespearean bacon mania connection. It has something to do with a conspiracy theorist having trichinosis of the brain, as I recall. But that's more your area of expertise. I found a good Weekly World News source for Turbaconducken. I wonder how much more will be needed to establish notability??? So many trials and tribulations. Isn't there a way to grease the gears, so to speak...??? ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:06, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

Don't know if you're stalking my edits, or you saw my not on Alansohn's page, but thank you for improving the articles I've worked on recently. Bongomatic 08:40, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Bacon

Noting your apparent love of things bacony, I thought you would appreciate this product. -- Scjessey (talk) 13:44, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Gary Kendall and Notability

I thought his notability was fairly well established through the number of awards he has won, but I will endeavour to be more persuasive here.

Dreadarthur (talk) 19:27, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

An article on the Maple Blues Award might be nice. That article needs citations to substantial indpendent coverage from reliable sources. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:34, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

I have tried to add enough to the page so that the notability caution can hopefully be removed. Would you please check to see if you agree. Many thanks in advance.

Dreadarthur (talk) 21:19, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Removed comments Obama talk page

I just noticed you removed some comments of mine.[3] First, that is wrong and you need to stop now. You are an experienced editor, who has been warned many times, and are well familiar with dispute resolution procedures - contributing in an arbitration on this very matter. I will reinsert them, but given the disruption I think we should simply close the discussion. If you mess with this anymore we are going straight to AN/I and given your history you are probably asking for a topic ban. You have a history of harassing me and disrupting articles I am editing. You need to stop. Wikidemon (talk) 22:12, 4 April 2009 (UTC) - striking comments re-added by ChildofMidnight after I deleted them. Wikidemon (talk) 06:09, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Your comments were inappropriate. That article is on probation and your soap boxing and personal attacks had nothing to do with article content and were totally inappropriate, as is your continuing to post here despite being asked repeatedly not to do so. I'm not interested in your trolling and future comments will be removed. Please abide by the guidelines for article talk pages and behavior. Thanks. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:57, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

AN/I report

Courtesy notice: I have filed an AN/I report here in attempt to deal with a discussion at Talk:Barack Obama, in which you have been involved, that I believe needs some administrative intervention. Thanks, Wikidemon (talk) 06:52, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi

:)

Dynamic resolution

Is that the proper way to cite Wikipedia articles; the way that guy did? Daniel Christensen (talk) 02:44, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Grundle

I encourage you to retract this personal attack, amongst others. It just takes a simple reading of WP:3RR to understand that three reverts are not a requirement for an edit-warring block. Grundle was and has been edit-warring across multiple articles, a particularly disruptive offense. Nish was well within his authority to block Grundle, as he is well aware that what he was doing was wrong. Please try and keep your POV out of the issue and encourage him to contribute constructively, rather than encouraging his accusations. Grsz¹¹ 04:44, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Grsz, wasn't it you who suggested that he add that content to the Presidential article instead of the policy article? I don't remember the details, but he didn't violate 3RR and was making a discussed and suggested edit. It's a totally bogus block and as I recall it came hours after the fact when the editor wasn'te ven around any more. "Edit warring across numerous articles"? That's a load of bull. That admin has refused to provide diffs, refused to explain, and it's a bogus block. Such is life. I appreciate your note, and as my message was received by its intended recipient (the aggrieved editor and not the Admin involved) I am happy to remove the bit you object to. Thanks for the note. I would appreciate it if you would ask those making personal attacks against me on the Obama talk page to refactor. Consistency is important. Thanks. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:49, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

I can't find a personal attack. But you have my permission to remove whatever bit you object to. Have a nice evening. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:51, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

It wasn't my suggestion, but I do recall it. He was warring at both Political positions of and Presidency of Barack Obama - the multiple articles I was referring to. Grsz¹¹ 04:52, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

And yet the example we both recall was him discussing and following a suggestion made by his adversaries, which I think was the last edit he made. This is what he was blocked for, hours after the fact? Come on. The block was lousy, the unsupported personal attack contained in it worse, and the refusal to explain the block unacceptable. Shit happens. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:55, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I wasn't around for all the boring details, I'm just here to look at all the pieces after. The way I look at it, he's lucky he hadn't been blocked earlier. This was a long time coming and hopefully will open his eyes - I think I said something to that effect on his page. Cheers, Grsz¹¹ 04:58, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

So when you're reverting his edits it's okay, but when he's trying to add sourced information it's edit warring? I find that interpretation of the rules a bit of a stretch.  :) I'm always especially appreciative when someone reverting my edits is good enough to warn me about edit warring. Awfully generous of them I'd say. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:08, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

WP:NPA is a two-way street. I made a mild comment regarding Grundle gaming 3RR (note that "gaming" was not why I blocked Grundle) and you accused me of violating WP:NPA. In response to the block, you said I should be blocked for misconduct and referred to the editors in opposition (me included, I presume) as "slime". Cut the bullshit and clean up your act instead of resorting to petty name calling and unfounded accusations. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 19:20, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

You violated the guidelines on assuming good faith, you made a personal attack, you made an unusual block where you acknowledge there wasn't a violation of 3RR, and you didn't properly investigate to see the editor was discussing the changes and was following a suggestion made on the article discussion page. You refused to explain your block and refused to provide diffs. Not a very impressive performance. We all make mistakes. When they're pointed out to us we need to fix them. It's unfortunate you aren't willing to take accountability for yours. ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:00, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Category:Bacon dishes

For every category you create, you should specify parent categories to which it belongs. You can do this by listing the parents near the bottom of the page, each enclosed in double brackets like so:

[[Category:Pork dishes]]
[[Category:Hypothetical second category]]

I've added at least one parent to the category. I invite you to check my work for accuracy and completeness.

I am a human being, not a bot, so you can contact me if you have questions about this. Best regards, --Stepheng3 (talk) 21:52, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

It ain't bacon... but it does deal with a sort of ham:

Please take a look and advise: User:MichaelQSchmidt/sandbox/Bill Oberst Jr. Thank you., Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 04:19, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:17, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

I like your tweak. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 18:27, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Whit Cunliffe

If you could take some time out of your busy schedule of annoying the liberal elite, I would appreciate your looking into this guy, see if you can find anything (my quick search pulled up nothing)...--kelapstick (talk) 16:21, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

You needed a source to add this. Sat like that for over a month...I wonder how many people saw that in that period of time...--kelapstick (talk) 17:13, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Well isn't that "dandy". Sunny here today, but supposed to cool off later this week. I saw somewhere that sunspot activity is at a cyclical low. I hope it's warm enough where you and Mies, Dr. are. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:16, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Muchos gracias for your work. It was cool this weekend, and the alfalfa watering systems were covered with ice this morning (along with about 100 feet (30.48 m) of field on either side of them), but it should warm up today. Well I have to get back to pretending to be a geologist. --kelapstick (talk) 17:21, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Frank

I've reverted your recent change to Barney Frank. The lede already describes his involvement in civil rights, of which gay rights is a part; therefore, that addition was redundant. The medical weed addition was trivial, and the removal of the other thing was against overwhelming consensus. -- Scjessey (talk) 18:54, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

"Civil and political rights are a class of rights and freedoms that protect individuals from the government and state power, and assure the ability to participate in the civic and political life of the state." [4] So it's too general and inaccurate to say Frank is an advocate of civil rights. It is accurate and encyclopedic to say Frank is an advocate for Gay rights and medical marijuana, major issues that are discussed extensively in the article. At the same time you and other POV pushing editors acting against guidelines continue to add a quote from Bill Clinton's speech writer to the introduction. Please stop damaging the encyclopedia according to your personal biases and respect the policies on NPOV, undue weight, and notability. Thanks. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:04, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Gay rights are a subset of civil rights. You have no consensus for your changes. Please stop using Wikipedia as an organ to vent your hate of the liberal majority. -- Scjessey (talk) 19:19, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Your anti-gay agenda is distrubing. I'm not sure why you want to censor Frank's lifetime of work as an advocate for gay rights, but this violates numerous wikipedia policies. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:09, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Political positions of Barack Obama

I've reverted your latest round of POV-pushing. There is an ongoing talk page discussion about this very matter, with significant concern for the "Democrat" label. It indicates party membership and/or affiliation, not political position. Democrats have a wide variety of political positions, obviously. Please consider discussing these matters on talk pages before changing articles. -- Scjessey (talk) 19:59, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

The connection between party affiliation and political positions is obvious. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:08, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

No. They certainly overlap, but there is no direct correlation. That is why talk page discussion is essential, because things are not black or white in the real world. -- Scjessey (talk) 20:10, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

The idea that Obama's political affiliation and party membership isn't relevant to his political positions is preposterous. I'm not sure why you continue to act against Wikipedia policies and guidelines, but your behavior is disruptive. Please don't post on my talk page. I'm not interested in conversing with you further. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:28, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Anti-gay bias

I am not biased against the gay community, and you know this perfectly well. Removing your ill-conceived garbage from articles is not a statement about my own social position. -- Scjessey (talk) 20:15, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Indeed your personal views are irrelevant, so you should stop removing notable content that addresses Barney Frank's work as an advocate for gay rights. Whatever personal animosity you have for gays cannot justify this attack on notable content that meets all guidelines for inclusion. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:25, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

You can desist now from accusing other editors, whom you apparently disagree, of harming wikipedia when they are actually working to unravel wp:soapboxing edits especially on BLPs. If you continue in this manner I will unfortunely be compelled to ask for some admin assist to minimize the disruption. -- Banjeboi 21:03, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

You are welcome to ask for Admin assistance. I am hopeful that a good faith admin will take action against edits that go against Wikipedia guidelines and the harm that these edits do to the encyclopedia. I can't say I'm especially optimistic, because Scjessey has been allowed to continue a campaign of personal attacks and improper behavior for some time now despite numerous warnings from editors and admins).

I don't hold grudges and I'm happy to assume good faith and work with any editor, whatever their opinions, but editors must abide by Wikipedia's guidelines. Wikipedia isn't censored. It's based on the most notable content from the best sources. I encourage you to consider carefully why you're trying to remove content that is well sourced and appropriate per guidelines. This harms the encyclopedia. I'm happy to assume good faith, but I can't see any reason other than malicious motives. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:07, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Any review of your edits on the Frank article - I haven't looked throught your other edits - will show you repeatedly added, and re-added, negative, biased and poorly sourced content on the BLP. You campaigned to remove well-sourced positive information while again working to add material against consensus and policy. Wikipedia is not a battleground so I'm unsure if you're looking for a Pyrrhic defeat or what but your energy is likely better spent contributing constructively on subjects you do approve. -- Banjeboi 21:31, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

As this dispute makes clear you are simply mistaken. Barney Frank's being a leading advocate for gay rights is VERY well sourced and discussed extensively in the article body. Frank is also notable as a leading figure on the banking committee (in the minority and now the majority party). I am very happy to collaborate on NPOV language, but I've been met with wholesale reversions and personal attacks. His advocacy for medical marijuana is also quite notable and discussed in the article. I don't know how you can accuse me of violating NPOV for trying to include straightforward statements. You've reverted them and repeatedly added a quote saying he is a bipartisan bridge builder and another promotional quote about his intelligence, neither of which belongs in the introduction and the bipartisan one is contradicted by the best sources and is quite misleading. Numerous editors have tried to rectify this situation (see also the discussion on the talk page). I'm happy to work with you on improving the article. But so far your efforts aren't consistent with those of a good faith editor. I hope this will change and when the situation improves I know you will find me a very collegial and helpful editor who is happy to work with people of varying opinions and approaches as long as they respect guidelines. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:36, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

First off your editing style on that article directly contradicts your statements. As has now been explained a few times. Gay rights are a part of civil rights and Frank's working on civil rights is in the lede, in fact it's one of the statements you reeatedly deleted and now a concensus has determined it should stay. Frank's role regarding the Senate finance committee is alos in the lede, I know as I put it there. It is part of another statemnet you repeatedly tried to remove and was reinserted by consensus. If you have a reliable source that contradicts he is a bipartisan bridge-builder then suggest it on the talkpage. We do a have a reliable source that he is one - again, a statement you have edit-warred to remove. His advocacy for medical marijuana doesn't seem to be that notable or even remarkable, as such it is discussed in the article and, arguably, may be considered a part of those civil rights that are mentioned in the lede. -- Banjeboi 22:04, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

<outdent> Needless to say, civil rights is a very broad concept. Campaign contributions, gun rights, the fairness doctrine, polygamy, and property rights also fall under the category of civil rights issues broadly construed. Without clarifying what is meant by the statement that Frank is a supporter of civil rights, the reader is left with an abstract and possibly misleading impression. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a mechanism for sloganeering or campaigning. Frank is an advocate of gay rights, it's a major part of his life's work. He's also prominent advocate and legislator for medical marijuana. And he's also been a prominent figure on the banking committee in the minority party and now in the majority party. This content needs to be covered. Particularly in the case of gay rights, where his work is extremely prominent and notable, I can't understand why you are trying to hide or censor this content. It goes against policy and it's inappropriate. Please stop. If you check the talk page you will see that I have already provided sources that dispute a characterization of Frank as bipartisan. Frankly (no pun intended) I think this is fairly obvious. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:12, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

April 2009

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Barney Frank. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. - ✰ALLST☆R✰ ^echo 22:28, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

I just added a photo that was proposed on the talk page. I have also been diligently using the talk page (as you'd see if you looked there) and have been focused on improving the article despite the personal attacks and talk page comments unrelated to article content. I'm not sure which edits you are referring to with this warning, but I'm quite certain that I haven't violated 3RR and have been scrupulous in trying to avoid edit warring. I welcome your help and input on the inappropriate reversions, inappropriate inclusions, and inexplicable censorship that's taking place in that article. There are grotesque violations of Wikipedia guidelines that shouldn't be allowed to stand. I Also think you should probably explain this warning, as it serves to feed the trolls. All of my edits have been in good faith and consistent with policy. Thanks. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:32, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Ironically the editor making this inappropriate warning has been blocked for outing someone else. ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:27, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

I've asked for Admins to look into this

Hello, ChildofMidnight. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The discussion is about the topic Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#ChildofMidnight on Barney Frank BLP. Thank you. -- Banjeboi 01:45, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

It appears from the comments posted in that discussion that neutral editors see your report as tendentious. It's clear that the only impropriety has been your reverting against consensus and guidelines. I hope you'll listen to the neutral editors who've weighed in. ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:25, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

I think you are missing the point that your behaviour has been wholly unacceptable and edit-warring unproductive. Hopefully others will see through your words to your actions. -- Banjeboi 01:29, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Clearly I haven't been edit warring and have been perfectly reasonable and willing to compromise despite great provocation for editors ignoring guidelines and refusing to work collaboratively. I'm sorry to see you've chosen to ignore the helpful comments that suggested you were in the wrong and that my edits were perfectly reasoanble. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:33, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Awesome!

I'm glad you put the mugshot of Bill Gates back into his article. When I originally uploaded the image, I put it as the main picture at the beginning of the article, but someone else removed it. There's actually a different section of the article that talks about his mugshot, so if you moved the image there, it might have a better chance of not getting deleted. Grundle2600 (talk) 15:49, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey Grundle. I meant to look yesterday to see if it was you who uploaded it, but I got distracted. :) Kudos! It's a very cool shot. I didn't see a better spot for it, but if there is one by all means go for it. I think it works okay as a depiction of a young B.G. ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:25, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I moved the image to the section of the article that talks about his mugshot. Grundle2600 (talk) 15:07, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

homosexuality edits

My main concern was the unqualified assertion that homosexuality is an orientation. It is a lot more than that. Then there were some stylistic issues, I thought you were too terse at the beginning. I did like your last change, about "the community that shares them". I was a bit rushed when I reverted, that should stay. Haiduc (talk) 19:10, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

okay, I was just trying to improve the grammar and clarify the wording. The first sentence seems to dangle that bit after the comma in a confusing way. I'm happy to address the issue of asserting it's a sexual orientation. Not sure whether to reply here or on your talk page. Thanks for your response. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:20, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

I goofed! The one thing I liked about your edit cannot stand, because you edited a citation, quoted from a professional source. And I still am not happy with the phrasing at the beginning. "Sometimes described?!" Please fix. Haiduc (talk) 21:44, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Okay. I reverted myself. I'm really lost as far as what the objection is. The article has a sexual orientation box on it and says "As an orientation,..." but you're saying that simplifying the wording and saying "Homosexuality is a sexual orientation..." is somehow objectionable. I think this edit is really the way to go [5]. I don't see anythign objectionable and I think the citations and complex quotes should be moved out of the lead anyway. It seems poorly written and VERY confusing to me. That's what I was trying to fix. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:51, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

thanks for your kind words. J. Van Meter (talk) 20:43, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Answer

There is a debate (within WP:Baseball, of which I am not a member) about the notability of baseball players if they have not played in a major league (US, China, Japan or Korea). Some editors say that anything (it may vary) from A to AAA is considered inherently notable. There is an editor who is mass creating minor league players and some of them went to AfD, some didn't. I was keeping tabs on it, but he is creating them faster than I am able to keep up (busy here these days). Anyway there was a not fully adopted policy at Wikipedia:WikiProject Baseball/Notability guidelines that didn't include minor league players as fully professional (given the salaries at that level I would agree) and that players who had not played in a major league (listed above) need to pass the GNG in order to be considered notable enough to have a page. I agree with that, I am not a big fan of "so and so passes this policy so they are notable enough to have a page" since all content added is supposed to be reliably sourced anyway, which would allow them to pass the general notability guidelines, making that point moot. So anyway that is where I was keeping tabs of the pages that went to AfD, didn't go and new pages created, which is not current. Also (speaking of AfD) it looks like Mies, Dr. is being accused of canvasing !voters at Bacon mania by offering them uncooked bacon at an AfD...when did Wikipedia lose its sense of humour?--kelapstick (talk) 21:37, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Bacon is serious. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:39, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Ah yes, I was just dropping by to say that it became clear to me you all had seen my bribe. I apologize for "larding up the discussion," as someone phrased it. Shall I strike through the whole picture? As an act of penance, my kid and I had soft-boiled eggs for breakfast and falafel for dinner--in many ways, the opposites of bacon. And I realize (maybe you saw Aleta's talk page) that I should not have offered raw bacon, but it seemed to me that "cooked to order" would be understood. I always cook to order! (But not steak well-done, that's anathema.) Thanks to both of you for sticking up for me. When I pop my Statin tonight, I'll dedicate it to you. Drmies (talk) 23:22, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Unless you seriously plan on making good on your bribes, I wouldn't worry about striking it out. But feel free to send some bacon my way.--kelapstick (talk) 07:37, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I thought the bacon bribe on the AfD itself was funny and was not canvassing. If he'd gone initially to my talk page and posted it, that would have been canvassing. I trust my disgusted reply to the raw bacon made it clear that I took it with the humor intended, even if some other editors did not. LadyofShalott ^Weave 01:01, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Schizophrenia

Sloths spend their time lazily swinging around in the trees in warm and jungly parts of the world. Dragons and trolls live in caves in cold mountains, sometimes emerging to wreak havoc. Aymatth2 (talk) 00:14, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the dragon. I have seen the snow-covered mountains it lives in. Hitchhiking down from the Klagenfurt tunnel many years ago I got a ride from a hippie couple with a baby in a flower-decorated Volkswagen van who were heading for Katmandu. They offered to take me along but when we reached Liubliana I made the conservative or sloth-like choice and headed back west. I sometimes wonder what would have happened if I had chosen the other fork. Aymatth2 (talk) 02:07, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Thisiswhyyourefat.com

A tag has been placed on Thisiswhyyourefat.com requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about about a person, organization (band, club, company, etc.) or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. mhking (talk) 00:41, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Wow! That was the fastest deletion I've ever had. Check out the article...

Thisiswhyyourefat.com is a website featuring submitted photos of gluttinous foods. The blog is subtitled "where dreams become heart attacks," and has been covered by newspapers in the United States and France.

It was started by Richard Blakeley, 20, an employee of Gawker Media's eponymous flagship blog and his girlfriend ­Jessica Amason, 27, who works for the AOL blog Urlesque. In just over a month since its inception the website has garnered an "astonishing" 10 million page views and its creators are "in talks to create a book version and exploring TV development deals.

Highlights of the website have included the "30,000 Calorie Sandwich" made of ground beef, bacon, corn dogs, ham, pastrami, roast beef, bratwurst, Braunschweiger, turkey, fried mushrooms, with onion rings and five cheeses, served on white bread, and the Mega Mel Burger made from 1 & 1/2 pounds of beef, 1 pound of bacon, a quarter pound of cheese and fixin's)".

• • Wow! Here and gone already... Drmies (talk) 01:00, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
    • The Vegans are on a rampage!!! ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:03, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

References

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How is something with an entire article about it a speedy candidate within minutes of its creation? Oh well. It will be back... :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:46, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

All set!

Sorry about that. It had already been tagged as a speedy and it looked at first glimpse like just another NN website. Thank you SO much for asking so nicely. It's my pleasure to correct my error. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 01:04, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh no worries. It's always exciting creating articles and I should probably use a sandbox. But I kind of love the adrenaline rush and the race against time I guess.  :) Thanks PMD. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:05, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't blame you. I just did a short article and I still find myself looking over my shoulder; the online refs are thin at best, but it did warrant a rather interesting article in TRAINS Magazine back in 2003. I honestly apologize for not looking to see who had written your article in the meantime. I was in "whack-a-mole" mode and just tagging and bagging. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 01:08, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

No worries PM. I appreciate your help and am going to try to add some more refs to see if I can "beef it up" so to speak... ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:10, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

• Eh..."gluttonous" means "given to gluttony"--not a quality a food item can have, which is why I had changed that. Hate to be an English teacher here, but I am. Later! Drmies (talk) 21:10, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for explaining sir. I wasn't sure on if or why it had been worded that way, but my trusty Dictionary(.com) indicates you are 100% correct. Is there a better word to use to describe food that it gastrinomically decadent? My concern was the unsourced implication that the website is for gluttons. But it may just be for rubbernecking. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:19, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, I couldn't come up with anything either, which is why I rephrased it the way I did, introducing a value judgment in the process. One would think there ought to be an adjective to describe these foods--but maybe they've exceeded the limits of our language. Leave it out altogether? "Extreme"? Drmies (talk) 21:31, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Neil Gaiman

Honestly, I haven't looked at any of those articles, but I'm sure you're right, that they need copyediting. And I have a simple and characteristically elitist explanation for that: he's a real popular writer... PS I saw Glenn Beck compare Obama to Hitler--funny guy! I thought it was unpatriotic to criticize the president? Drmies (talk) 14:49, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

The Song of Wandering Aengus

by: W.B. Yeats

I went out to the hazel wood,
Because a fire was in my head,
And cut and peeled a hazel wand,
And hooked a berry to a thread;
 
And when white moths were on the wing,
And moth-like stars were flickering out,
I dropped the berry in a stream
And caught a little silver trout.
 
When I had laid it on the floor
I went to blow the fire a-flame,
But something rustled on the floor,
And some one called me by my name:
It had become a glimmering girl
With apple blossom in her hair
Who called me by my name and ran
And faded through the brightening air.
 
Though I am old with wandering
Through hollow lands and hilly lands,
I will find out where she has gone,
And kiss her lips and take her hands;
And walk among long dappled grass,
And pluck till time and times are done
The silver apples of the moon,
The golden apples of the sun.

A change of mood. Aymatth2 (talk) 00:56, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Hahaha. I see you removed this. But I liked it, so I hope you don't mind that if I put it back up. It's an astonishingly lovely poem.

I am struck by the floor floor and lands lands bits. Mies, Dr. will have to explain to me why the author chose to disrupt the flow and dreamy wonder with such repetion. Perhaps a reminder that we are never totally free from our physical reality (no matter how deep our sleep or day dreams)?

I had actually thought of giving you some kind of warning template for a posting that isn't suitable for a user talk page as it isn't related to articles or whatever, but I don't know any of the warning templates so I can only give them out when I have one posted somewhere "nearby".  :)

Thanks for the poem. I especially like the change of mood bit at the end. I found it mysterious and am left wondering whether it's a reference to a change in your mood (I see the sloth is back), or if it's a change of mood for me and my page (and I have been having some struggles...), or if perhaps it has something to do with the poem itself. It worked if it was for me. I had a good laugh and a smile. That's the great thing about this system of abstract symbols with so many overlapping meanings, there's just so much room for abstraction, nuance and interpretation. Perhaps Wikipedia is just a metaphor. But for what? ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:12, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Don't ask me what it means, or why I thought it was appropriate. You got me thinking about what kind of editor I am, why I play, and I saw you were in some daft dispute, and I had been editing articles about hollow lands and hilly lands, and for some reason that I don't understand I thought I should vandalize your talk page with a poem. Then I thought again. As for Wikipedia, Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold ... And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born? Think I need to take a break. A long break. Aymatth2 (talk) 02:45, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Is that from Grendel? More Yeats. A second coming. Hmmmm... Rather dark my friend. Always darkest before the dawn? A riot of color invoking a glorious new day???ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:40, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

While looking for the source of your rhymes I found this:

To suffer woes which Hope thinks infinite;

To forgive wrongs darker than death or night;

To defy Power, which seems omnipotent;

To love, and bear; to hope till Hope creates

From its own wreck the thing it contemplates;

Neither to change, nor falter, nor repent;

This, like thy glory, Titan, is to be

Good, great and joyous, beautiful and free;

This is alone Life, Joy, Empire, and Victory.

(excerpt of Prometheus Unbound by Percy Bysshe Shelley) ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:48, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Hey thnks a lot for helping with PAETEC Tower. Daniel Christensen (talk) 02:19, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

important question

Do you think my edit summary in this dif is enough to add it to WP:Food and drink?--kelapstick (talk) 19:48, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Are there any edible mushrooms down in the mine? Bats with garlic are a tasty snack as I recall from one of Crocodile Dundee's movies. What do the Ninja Turtles eat by the way? The actual turtles not the miners. I notice you didn't have time to finish up the DYK nom but have had plenty of time to save some mine article. Tsk tsk tsk. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:56, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

I thought you already completed the DYK nom...--kelapstick (talk) 19:59, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

"You better put up that hook, I am finally seeing some headway in my workload here but won't be able to be active for a while." Ummm hmmm. Priorities Kelapstick. Priorities. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:03, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

I have a short attention spa...--kelapstick (talk) 20:06, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for looking after my user page. QueenofBattle (talk) 20:37, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

RfA

Just a reminder, you have not formally accepted it on the RfA page. --DougsTech (talk) 01:49, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Midnight, what takes you so long to formally accept your RfA and transclude it to the main stage? Since you asked DougsTech to nominate you, please proceed. (I can't wait to see fun things on your RfA)--Caspian blue 03:24, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

It will be one for the books Caspian...--kelapstick (talk) 03:26, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you both for these strenuous expressions of confidence. I know I can count on you guys and all your sock and meat puppets for support, so I figure I'm halfway home already. I hope you don't mind if I wait until the a.m., though, when I'm a bit more awake. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:35, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

New Rochelle

In response to your query, the situation with New Rochelle relates to the fact that there is an extremely prolific sockpuppeteer who has a strong interest in New Rochelle (and also Sarah Lawrence College). This is the main user page; that user is banned, and there have almost 300 confirmed socks, plus a couple dozen suspected socks, and numerous IPs (including many open proxies). There are 18 WP:SSP cases, 15 WP:RFCU cases, and about 11 reports at WP:SPI. Much of the content added by these socks (both text and images) looks excellent at first glance, but on closer examination there are many problems. It turns out that the sourcing has been falsified to some degree -- and over time much of the material has been confirmed to be copyvio from some source that is NOT cited in the article. (I think much of the rest of the content is also copyvio material, but we have not yet run across the source.)

Over a year ago I stumbled into the case after I did a new page patrol on a New Rochelle article and tried to interact with a user who I thought was a clueless but enthusiastic newbie -- but who turned out to be a sockpuppet. I have continued to watch articles associated with the case, I have become very familiar with the "fingerprints" of the socks, and I've submitted a lot of sockpuppet reports and requested deletion of a lot of articles and images from this banned user.

The allegations that I'm behaving badly arise from the socks' practice of posting messages on talk pages complaining that they are innocent New Rochelle citizens who have been mistakenly targeted by sockpuppets and are being persecuted by specific users (I am currently the target of choice) who have erroneously identified them as sockpuppets. Recently Doncram (and to a lesser extent a couple of other users) has been taken in by these plaintive messages and has caused a lot of wikidrama aimed at ending what he perceives to be Orlady's persecution of New Rochelle. I, on the other hand, believe that all that pointless wikidrama is fulfilling the vandal's objective of disrupting Wikipedia. Contrary to Doncram's suspicion that innocent people are being targeted, some signature behaviors of the socks have not changed over the last year and each new batch of socks has been confirmed by checkuser (most of the active checkusers and several former checkusers are familiar with the case).

There's plenty of additional history of this case on various pages related to Jvolkblum and New Rochelle. --Orlady (talk) 02:15, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

As far as I know, no legitimate editors have been caught up in the case. There were a couple times when I was surprised that a checkuser process (sweeping for sleepers) had identified a particular user as a sock (because I had previously determined that the user was probably legitimate), but subsequently I found that some of their edits were characteristic of the Jvolkblum product. Doncram is particularly sympathetic to User:Erin cali70; the first time checkuser was run on Erin cali70, the result was negative, but a later checkuser process came back as "confirmed", and recently when I did a cleanup of Leland Castle (an Erin cali70 creation) I was convinced that I was looking at the work of Jvolkblum. --Orlady (talk) 02:51, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

re: Post at Doug's

Hi COM. To be perfectly honest - I like what you're doing. ;). In fact, I don't even have a problem with Doug (you can find a couple of my posts on this topic in the AN thread regarding the ban). I admire your full speed ahead attitude, your devotion to your beliefs, and your boldness in pursuit of your desired results, regardless of work and resistance involved. I wish you the best ;) — Ched :  ?  02:20, 10 April 2009 (UTC)