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Wikimedia UK initial Board election

A warm hello to all those signed up as supporters of the soon-to-be-rebooted UK chapter! Voting is now open over at meta - there's tons of information online over there, and the mailing list has been very active too. Discussion, comment (and even the inevitable technical gremlins!) are most welcome at the meta pages, otherwise please do send in your vote/s, and tell a friend about the chapter too :-)

Exel to wikitable toy

Thanks for the information about the table converter. I've been playing with it. Magic!!--Harkey (talk) 20:10, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

	The Yorkshire Rose
	WikiProject Yorkshire
	Award of Merit
	for valued contributions to Yorkshire articles on Wikipedia
	and for hard work, generosity and good humour.--Harkey (talk) 13:29, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Vital articles

Greetings, PamD. You've been very helpful in disambiguation work, and I know that you're a retired librarian with a broad base of knowledge on general subjects, so I thought I'd come to you. Over at Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/3, a few Wikipedians (including myself) are attempting the tricky task of deciding on the 1000 most-important articles on Wikipedia. We already have the vital 100 solidified, but it's an interesting task to choose among all Wikipedia articles to decide which are most vital. Is Rembrandt or Andy Warhol more vital? Tuba or Folk music? Would you be willing to offer your input on these and other questions? If so, the discussion is mostly ongoing at Wikipedia talk:Vital articles/Level/3. All the best, – Quadell ^(talk) 20:47, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Biographical disambiguation

A discussion you might be interested in is here. I'm wondering if it might be worthwhile to pool lots of biographical bot-stuff at WT:Biographical metadata? Or maybe at a disambiguation or biography WikiProject? Carcharoth (talk) 00:05, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Lifetime tag

I saw that somewhere where it didn't work - it showed up first name first on some category like orphans so I am tempted to go with what I know works! It only happened once, but hey, like I said, default sort I know works! Postcard Cathy (talk) 12:47, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

The Deserter (novel)

PamD, I appreciate your concerns and understand them. Please go to Talk:The Deserter (novel) and I will start a discussion on the notablity of that page. GrandMattster (talk) 16:32, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

It wasn't me who PRODded it! PamD (talk) 17:09, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Tom Matthews (politician)

Hi Pam, I agree, the whole world is not the USA (I really hate how my own country's culture is being eclipsed by Americanization), and I'm sorry for making that stub sorting mistake. JulieSpaulding (talk) 07:54, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi PamD

Hey Pam,

I noticed you helped with the Eko Atlantic City page. Thank you. How do I learn more about the type of code you put in. Like the Categorization stuff. I am new here and want to learn more.

Also, CNN has a piece on Eko Atlantic City that is on Youtube at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E906CPuq5Ac It's copyrighted so I can't link to it directly. Can I use it as a source to verify claims?

Thank you

StNicksRocks (talk) 10:00, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Re to barnstar

Oops...wrong person again. :s Renaissancee (talk) 23:37, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Micandidate

Hi. I deleted Micandidate under WP:CSD#G11, blatant advertising. This page has been deleted before, so I also have protected the page from being recreated. Should you wish to recreate the page from scratch, I'll be glad to help you by removing the protection and giving you a copy of what was there before. Jehochman ^Talk 13:09, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

RE: Christian Party/CPA

Hi. The Electoral Commision links shows that they have three descriptions which prove they are joint candidates (Christian Party - CPA, and the two formal "joint descriptions" below). And further to this, they've run a PB as joint candidates - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8058538.stm . doktorb _words^deeds 22:12, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

"The Deserter" Project

Hello PamD, I'd like to invite you to help me work on User:Thevoiceofreason219/The Deserter (novel). The original page was deleted, so I thought I'd ask you to help me improve upon the previous work. I'd much appreciate your help! Thanks. Thevoiceofreason219 (talk) 17:28, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, but I know nothing about the book - I just came across the article while stub-sorting. Good luck. PamD (talk) 20:31, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Okay, thanks anyway. User:Thevoiceofreason219 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.122.213.2 (talk) 15:44, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Union Commercial Bank

Pam, thank you for coming to my support on that topic. I am glad you were watching as the whole episode unfolded. I appreciate the support. Fsmatovu (talk) 02:06, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: Gomorrah

Oh gosh! ;) It is true. Thank you for the warning! --Liveabruzzo (talk) 07:50, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

1999 Eurocandidates

Thanks for your message - I'm now also adding the 2004 candidates, and hope that we can record this year's results in the same manner. Warofdreams talk 13:57, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Many thanks - those were the references which I was using. I've now added references to all the constituency articles. Warofdreams talk 18:04, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Ultimo

Hi. I see you dabbed Ultimo - you might like to look at Talk:Ultimo where I've used hitcounts to suggest that the lingerie company is the primary usage. FlagSteward (talk) 11:01, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

You know nothing about chemistry!

Do you know anything about chemistry? Do you know that there is a tool called Google in this world? Please stop delete ACE and NME! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.89.77.122 (talk) 20:11, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, I could reply "You know nothing about Wikipedia disambiguation pages", but other people have done so elsewhere. PamD (talk) 07:45, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, so you really know nothing about chemistry! It is not good for you, is it? You want to claim that you know something about Wikipedia disambiguation pages, don't you? So please say something about Wikipedia disambiguation pages. I think what you did is wrong because the rule of Wikipedia does not support your deletion. If you do not show your reason clearly, I will revert your version.--141.89.77.122 (talk) 11:17, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

You did not show your reason nor take part in the discussion. So I think you are irrelevant to the edit and I change back the pages into my version. If you want to revert, please firstly explain your idea in the discussion before you perform your personal action.--141.89.77.122 (talk) 20:44, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Can you understand the following?

In chemistry, an N-methylamide (NME) is a blocking group for the C-terminus end of peptides. When the carboxyl group of the C-terminus is replaced with a methylamide, further elongation of the peptide chain is prevented. C-Terminal modified peptides are also useful for the modulation of structure-activity relationships and for modifying conformational properties of peptides. N-Methylamides can be prepared directly from solid phase resin-bound peptides.

You deleted knowledge from Wikipedia. What a shame!

--SayNoToHypocritical (talk) 15:45, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

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Category blunder

Hi Pam, Thanks for sorting out my category blunder. I must remember to put my brain in gear :-). Also, I wonder if you have, on your travels around Wikipedia, noticed an infobox for museum exhibits of human archaeological remains like Gristhorpe Man or the Bog body. I know there is a box for artefacts but it seems a bit odd calling human bits and pieces 'artefacts'.(Oh, I don't know though!!) Thanks again.--Harkey (talk) 09:43, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Can't see one - Ötzi the Iceman has {{Infobox Person}}, and that seems to work OK. PamD (talk) 13:08, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank-you--Harkey (talk) 13:16, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

correct tidying?

07:50, 6 June 2009 PamD (talk | contribs) (858 bytes) (Undid revision 294733966 by 141.89.77.122 (talk) revert unexplained reversion of correct tidying)

You are wrong.

--SayNoToHypocritical (talk) 15:50, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Please don't be evil.

Don't delete knowledge any more.--SayNoToHypocritical (talk) 15:54, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Apology

I apologize to you. You are right. I should behave politely. --SayNoToHypocritical (talk) 17:56, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!

Hi, thanks for redirecting the article I created(LG)-silly me, I saw a red link in the list of LG phones & didn't even think to check if there was another article with a slightly different name. Also saw you doing stub sorting my new articles-will try & remember to do that when I create them!Dotty••|☎ 18:32, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

		The Invisible Barnstar
		Thanks for your work in clearing up after clumsy old me! Dotty••|☎ 18:32, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Help!

Hi, i wonder if you could comment at Talk:Old Mill, where I've been discussing with Mjroots how several big mills disambiguation pages could/should be refined towards compliance with MOSDAB guidelines. Hopefully u may know about when/how non-wikilinked entries can make sense. Your advice would be most appreciated! doncram (talk) 05:48, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Josef Perl

FYI: I've proposed Josef Perl, an article you edited but didn't create, for deletion. --I dream of horses (talk) 19:38, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Redlink at LEED

Hi. No problem if you want to have the redlink at LEED but it really should have a bluelink pointing somewhere to go with it, or it's just a dead end. Station1 (talk) 07:40, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Of course - should have done, have done. PamD (talk) 07:46, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Even if it is a small fix, I'm grateful for your attention. May I ask you if you think I can move the article in my user subpage to the actual wikipedia, without giving the perception that I'm trying to advertise? I'm not associated with that, just a 'fan' and I'd like to add a reference to it here on wikipedia, given that there is plentiful of similar items already there. I'm new to any contribution here, so I'm very afraid to make a pas faux. Thank you anyway, sincerely WikiRubyTrs (talk) 22:11, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar

	The Working Woman's Barnstar
	Awarded to PamD for her work on stub-sorting. Enigmamsg 17:32, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

{{Orphan}} tags on {{surname}} and {{given name}} pages

Thanks for your actions regarding {{orphan}} tags on {{surname}} and {{given name}} pages. In view of the policy change at Wikipedia:O#Criteria, I spent a fair amount of time yesterday removing orphan tags from surname pages.

However, this morning I notice that User:Postcard Cathy has been putting tags back again, despite your very clear instruction on her talk page - see Ackles, Ackermann (surname) and Abu Taleb. I find this quite frustrating. Surely Wikipedia has some way of resolving this pointless waste of time? -- Hebrides (talk) 05:49, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Agreed, it's a sad waste of time. I've taken it to ANI. PamD (talk) 07:02, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Article Rescue Barnstar
		For greatly improving Hugh O'Neills, which I proposed for deletion. Thank you. I dream of horses (talk) 21:11, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Formal Warning

Dear Pam

Formal warning!! what does that mean. You make it sound as if I am putting entries in the wrong place on purpose. I have been given a job to do on behalf of the Open University and it is quite often difficult to work out where the entry should go, in a lot of cases there is no relevant section for honours and awards.

Jackie Holden OU Comms (talk) 09:56, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

• Jackie

I see your behaviour as being disruptive: you are continuing to add information to articles about living people (mostly), without giving a source for your information. This is against Wikipedia policy. Other editors will be likely to delete information as unsourced, or will spend time looking for sources. You have confirmed that you work for the OU, so you must know where the information is made available online or in print, and you ought to quote that as a reference each time. Otherwise, there is nothing to support your added information. I'm quite sure it's all true, but you need to cite your sources to support your statements. I'd also suggest that you ought to link to Open University and, where it's not already linked nearby, to Honorary degree, so that readers unfamiliar with these terms can easily find them. It's surely in the interests of the OU to make sure that readers (who may be from anywhere in the world) are led to the article about it if they don't recognise it.

Editors who continue to edit in a disruptive way can, eventually, be banned. Lots of disruptive things are done through ignorance. You have been told, by several different people, that you should include sources, and you haven't done so. I've also suggested that you should include relevant links. Please improve your editing. Thanks. PamD (talk) 12:10, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

To expand: WP:BLP includes "Material about living persons must be sourced very carefully. Without reliable third-party sources, it may include original research and unverifiable statements, and could lead to libel claims.". Even though the assertion that someone has an OU degree is probably unlikely to lead to a libel claim, the principle remains that the information should be sourced, ie a source cited for each fact stated. Just give us the references. PamD (talk) 12:21, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

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Badinogo (number 1) etc

You could move them. They only have coordinates in their title because at the time there was no other obvious way to dab them. Cheers and thanks for improving them. I'm sure that some deletionist was salivating over them.... :-) Carlossuarez46 (talk) 23:14, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Eh

Giving you autoreviewed status basically means that a) you can be trusted to know what you're doing when you create a new article, and b) you create so many (articles or otherwise) that your name could flood the unpatrolled queue.

And you've created 388 new articles (and 1389 redirects) as of today. DS (talk) 00:44, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for stub-sorting!

Thanks for stub-sorting an article I created: [1]. I've learned to navigate around the category structure and find categories to add to articles, but I don't know how to find out what types of stub templates are available. Is there a convenient list somewhere or something? Thanks. ☺Coppertwig (talk) 12:20, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

There's a list at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/List of stubs. PamD (talk) 12:22, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! I've made a note of that for future reference, for when I do new page patrol or occasionally create a new article myself. ☺Coppertwig (talk) 12:46, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Re: Ozzie Newsome

My error, thanks. ⒺⓋⒾⓁⒼⓄⒽⒶⓃ② ^talk 15:45, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the Help.

I am trying to populate the state parks list for Colorado. Thank you for getting the colorado templates on it. I only know of one and they seem more suited to the cities then the parks. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 18:03, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Purple Cow redirect ...

Thank you for your attention to the item at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation. If I don't respond to your replies immediately, it is to provide an opportunity for other commentary (than mine:). Cheers. Proofreader77 (talk) 20:55, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Shudehill

Agree. I was building the article from a redlink on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Mills. Do you want to do the switch now- I'ĺl hold off until it is done. --ClemRutter (talk) 11:14, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Done. PamD (talk) 11:15, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

articles about social networks

hi, I had started an article about a social network and I was wondering if you would take a look at it to let me know how to change it so that it won't be deleted. I had tried a couple of times to start a stub and it was deleted so quickly that I didn't even have time to improve it. I was busy asking another editor for advice and when I went back to the page, it was gone and marked as advertising. I have a few more ideas for articles that aren't yet on wikipedia, but, I had so much frustration from my first article that I'm not sure what to do. If you have advice or could give me some tips, that would be really appreciated. It was very upsetting to have spent so much time working on it and then have someone remove it rather than to improve upon it or help. So, thank you for your help.Cheaperbydozen (talk) 12:22, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

The main thing is to establish the WP:Notability of your topic, and then "verify" your information by showing references from WP:Reliable sources - newspaper articles etc are good, blogs and facebook etc not good. Beware of writing anything which might read as if it's a commercial for the network: straight facts only, no terms like "leading" or "excellent" unless you're quoting verbatim from a named source (as in "X, writing in Y, described it as "an excellent new approach to Z".", with a reference). Remember to indicate geographical context if any, remembering WP is international. Explain any terms which are technical or jargon. Perhaps start by adding a sourced fact or two to some existing articles, rather than creating a new article, and remember that no-one owns any article, so anything you start may be edited beyond all recognition by other people in ways you may or may not agree with, as long as they've got reliable sources for their contributions. I hope that helps. I know next to nothing about social networks, being only a very casual Facebook user. PamD (talk) 12:42, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

ok, thanks. I think that's kind of what I have done, but, my page was marked as spam. So, I put it in my sandbox to try to see whether people would maybe edit it or fix the bits that would sound like spam. I am thinking about trying to write about another social network to see if anyone flags it as spam or not because I had used something like 14 news references from sources like The Examiner and Scottish Television in my article. Thanks for anwering. Much appreciatedCheaperbydozen (talk) 00:13, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Pauls and dab pages

Please see reply at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anthroponymy#dabs_and_name_lists. Regards Pwimageglow (talk) 22:03, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Your note

Hi Pam, when someone creates a WP account and immediately starts a vandalism spree, it is clear their intent is to harm the site, and they become a "vandalism only" account, which should be blocked. If the person behind the account decides at some future point to turn a new leaf and start editing WP constructively, they can register a new handle and start with a clean slate. Crum375 (talk) 23:50, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Are two edits a spree? In any case, it would be helpful to other editors if you'd leave a blocking message on the user's talk page so they know the situation. Thanks. PamD (talk) 07:09, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Even a single vandalism edit, if it's your first edit after creating an account, is "vandalism only". The point is, if you are starting a wiki-career, you need to decide what it's for: to build or to destroy. If it's the latter, you'll have to try again, with a fresh handle. If you see a red handle with only vandalism edits in their contribs, just click on their block history, and you'll typically see they have been blocked, along with the blocker's name, and rationale. Crum375 (talk) 10:50, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for The Boy with the Leaking Boot

On July 17, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article The Boy with the Leaking Boot, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 05:56, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations, it’s a good informative article.--BSTemple (talk) 17:27, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		Whenever I create a new stub, you are there within minutes to add the correct stub tag, which I can never find. This is just to say that your work is appreciated. SlimVirgin talk|contribs 22:45, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Counties

I edited the Appletreewick page, adding that the village is in the West Riding of Yorkshire. I believe you then deleted this change.

This is an accurate addition. When the boundaries of the administrative counties of England were changed in 1974 the government made it very clear that the traditional counties had not been abolished. What had happened was that the traditional boundaries were no longer to be used for administrative purposes. Since the Local Government Act 1888 the traditional counties had been used for administrative purposes, but they were created between the ninth century and the twelfth century. The government was explicit on 1st April 1974 upon implementating of the Local Government Act 1972 when a Government Circular said:

"The new county boundaries are solely for the purpose of defining areas of ... local government. They are administrative areas, and will not alter the traditional boundaries of Counties, nor is it intended that the loyalties of people living in them will change."

This circular is now fairly famous (at least amongst those of us who believe the counties should be recognised) and you can see it on the websites of the Association of British Counties (whose map of the British counties is widely used across the internet) the Yorkshire Ridings Society and the Friends of Real Lancashire.

I did not delete the reference to Craven District or North Yorkshire. I merely inserted the fact that these are administrative areas, which is entirely accurate. The entire country is divided up into administrative units for the purposes of local government and many areas, including Appletreewick, fall under two tiers of local authority administration. This does not change the fact the country is also divided up into traditional counties, which have - but not always - been used for administration. As a result of my changes the user was informed that Appletreewick is in the West Riding of Yorkshire and two levels of administrative area, Craven and North Yorkshire.