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London sundial[edit]

Hi Clem:

It may be worth mentioning that common sundials such as the London one, of which you included an illustration, actually have two styles, one on each edge of the gnomon. One style is used in the forenoon, the other in the afternoon.

DOwenWilliams (talk) 01:11, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

I have made a slight change to the indicator line giving it two heads. This was a lot more complex than I thought as Inkscape refuses to read the parameter used in the svg to add a curve to a line- even when it was the program that created it!
I haven't changed the text- as I can't think of a change that would be generic enough, if it is more than four words I think it needs to go onto the caption not the diagram. But I remain open to suggestion. Anyone can clone the diagram and add a new text layer if it is really important to them- but they will have to twiddle inkscape.

-- Clem Rutter (talk) 11:43, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

I've added a couple of sentences to the caption. Another idea might be to write a footnote. (I like footnotes!) DOwenWilliams (talk) 15:17, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

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My english is poor. Please have a look to my contribution.Cenec (talk) 07:54, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

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Pont du Gard intro[edit]

Clem, I reverted back your revert of my clean-up of the Pont du Gard intro, which I did not undertake lightly. The intro sentence as I came upon it was much too cumbersome and overflowing with geographic and linguistic references. Such aspects can be presented later in an article if necessary. Plus, there is no need to link every single geographic name in a sentence or paragraph; at a certain point it becomes a distraction rather than a help. For example, if readers are curious, they need only follow the Gardon link to learn all about the river's name and geography. And I seriously doubt anyone has dubbed this aqueduct the Pont-du-Gard Bridge in an English reference work before now. I think a dispassionate read of both versions will make my observations clear. Eric talk 19:13, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

@Eric: I am glad you have come back to me. My edit was interrupted by a call to dinner and needed refining. I object to the Gard, being referred to as the Gard river, as the European convention is to but the word river first. In this case the river is the Gardon- the word river is not used. The Pont-du-Gard has always been the Pont-du-Gard in English, and never the Pont-du-Gard Bridge or Pont-du-Gard bridge but this is a better wording than saying (Literally:Gard Bridge). If for nothing else that the du in French is a genitive and must be expressed in English as Bridge of Gard or Gard's Bridge.
Can I look at your reversion and make comments:
The Pont du Gard (Gard Bridge) is an ancient Roman aqueduct bridge *1 that crosses the Gardon River in the south of France *2. Located in near *3 the town of Vers-Pont-du-Gard, the bridge is part of the Nîmes aqueduct, a 50 km-long (31 mi) *4 structure built by the Romans *5 to carry water from a spring at Uzès to the Roman colony of Nemausus (Nîmes)[4] *6 Because the terrain between the two points is hilly, the aqueduct – built mostly underground – took a long, winding route that crossed the gorge of the Gardon, requiring the construction of an aqueduct bridge. Built in the first century AD, the Pont du Gard is the highest of all Roman aqueduct bridges and is, with the Aqueduct of Segovia, one of the *7 best preserved. It was added to UNESCO's list of World Heritage Sites in 1985 because of its historical importance.
  • 1 aqueduct bridge is not English- as in English aqueduct has two meanings- a water course and a bridge carrying water Agree; the construction caught my eye initially as odd, but I assumed that the writer was working from a precedent I had yet to encounter. I changed it.
  • 2 not specific enough I tend towards a brief general geographic reference for an initial sentence.
  • 3 in near Typo, fixed.
  • 4 mi non standard abbreviation Didn't initially jump out at me as out of line, so I left it. Now changed; see what you think. I don't always think every distance on wp needs a conversion, and I don't like how those conversion templates apparently can't accommodate proper hyphenation when a distance is expressed as an adjective preceding a noun.
  • 5 of course the Romans built a Roman aqueduct Yes. Nixed.
  • 6 Because the terrain between the two points is hilly, the aqueduct – built mostly underground – took a long, winding route that crossed the gorge of the Gardon, requiring the construction of an aqueduct bridge. - I probably wrote this but it is awful- the terrain is not hilly- it is a deeply incised valley, formed at the time of the Alpine uplift. Is this the Gorge du Gardon [www.gorgesdugardon.fr/index.php/Géologie-et-Paysages?idpage=12&afficheMenuContextuel=true#6] even though Vers Pont du Gard is a commune in the Grande site sydicat- just a question. Again problem with the term aqueduct bridge (its fine in French pont-aqueduct).
  • 7 it is the best preserved but probably needs a reference That sentence didn't strike me as terrible. It seems the Gorges du Gardon is a nature preserve: fr:Gorges_du_Gardon. I tweaked that part--see what you think.
Going back to the question of name- the Gard is a department, the Gard is a French translation of the Occitan word Gardon. Gardon is the river. (look at official publications from the department) Yes this lede does need to be changed- I gave it a shaking but freely admit it can be done better. So, over to you.-- Clem Rutter (talk) 00:49, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
Hello Clem- I replied to your listed comments in italics above. I agree re the awkwardness of "Gard Bridge"--that struck me at the outset as unnecessary at best. Re the hyphenated "Pont-du-Gard", I've never seen that in English or French. In a brief rummaging through the web, including on fr.wp, I could not find any definitive etymology re Gard/Gardon. Nothing here: fr:Gardon_(rivière) nor on fr:Histoire_du_Gard. Interesting musing here on Etymologie-Occitane.fr Eric talk 13:30, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

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Clitheroe Booklets[edit]

For the training sessions on the 19th September I have produced these two booklets--comments welcome they will probably be around at the litheroe Castle Museum Edit-a-thon on 26th September.

From the feedback the files have been reworked - these are both usable but I will continue fiddling with the fonts. I need to look at the maths section in the intermediate and write the page on writing templates. Here are the drop box links

-- Clem Rutter (talk) 10:22, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

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Sat 19 Sept[edit]

Thanks for the instruction - great fun — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lccrudge (talkcontribs) 11:18, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

hello[edit]

Hi Clem this is Katharine Lovejoy

training 19.09.15[edit]

Hi Clem Thanks for the morning training. Suzanne

Hi Clem, Thank you for a great course. Here is my user name. Jhayward001 (talk) 11:20, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

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Mills in Clitheroe[edit]

Hi Clem, I've been busy tracing the various mills in Clitheroe. A couple of issues remain, one being Claremont Mill, I can find no trace and am thinking that it is confused for Brewery Mill. Also I've removed Greenacre Mill to leave Holmes Mill as I'm fairly sure that they are one and the same. I don't have access to the Ashmore source used in List of mills in Lancashire maybe it sheds more light? --Trappedinburnley (talk) 18:23, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

@Trappedinburnley: I'll see you on Saturday- but in the meantime we could knock together a List of mills in Clitheroe article on the lines of List of mills in Preston (oops that needs urgently improving!). Ashmore is at the moment in Rochester and I am in Newcastle. I was just browsing through 'Mill Trutex Clitheroe' which is Jubilee Mill, I found a Westmorland Gazette ref: http://www.thewestmorlandgazette.co.uk/news/10333588.Clitheroe_school_uniform_firm_Trutex_takes_over_Rochdale_company/ . Whether it is Thornber's Mill, Holmes or Greenacre it does seem to be the same. The mills seem to have a Builder Name, A location name or/and Occupants name. I think that Claremont could be an occupant- I'll keep searching. But look at Claremont Ave, and Claremont Drive, 53.865525, -2.384059. Also this Carlton Mill -- Clem Rutter (talk) 19:44, 20 September 2015 (UTC)b
List of Mills in Clitheroe seems a good idea, we have taken over the project page somewhat. I was thinking Trutex deserved a mention on the Clitheroe article, but I had no idea it is so old. They started building Claremont Ave after WWII. MARIO has aerial imagery from that period, nothing much there except Goosebutts Farm. However Claremont House survives, on Pendle Rd at the junction with Goosebutts Ln. In 1890 it was separated from Brewery Mill by a pond, now filled-in under Highmoor Park (road). From the view of the Castle, Carlton Mill seems to have been Victoria Mill, which I had missed.--Trappedinburnley (talk) 11:22, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks for knocking the citations on the clogs page into shape. I see you had fun with the Owen references. The normal way of doing it is documented at Template:Sfn#More than one work in a year and simply consists of adding a lowercase letter to the year. However, your use of {{SfnRef}} is fine as an alternative. Thanks once again, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 09:43, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Its quite quick if you take the copy to a texteditor (pluma, gedit) and do global replace. I am not up to speed with citation- mainly using the cite templates- 2012a has a few limitation when dealing with older newbies- but do change it if you wish. Are you going to have a go at Clog dance this weekend. In my idle hours I am looking for a reference to support User:Berkh assertion on Clog that will take some lateral thinking. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 10:15, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your help and work on the Clog (British) page, sir. Berkh (talk) 10:55, 31 October 2015 (UTC).

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Sundial[edit]

Hello. Why did you remove the picture from the article? You said that the picture adds nothing to the article, even though it is a picture of a sundial, if nothing it helps illustrate the article better. VS6507 (talk) 09:26, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks for showing an interest- In the Commons:Vertical sundials there are 1,243 images, and further sub- categories. Your dial is a simple modern dial, of a south west vertical declining (afternoon dial) The dial vertical points to 12.45- that is an offset of 45mins time- or about 12 degrees east. The web site locates the centre at 44° 14’ 50’’ N & 19° 55’ 50’’ E which is an offset of 20 degrees- or 80mins. This is a little puzzling. This dial appears to have a sub-style of zero- so as SD= arctan (sin d/tam φ) this seems to be a co-incidence. Neither this image or the article Petnica Science Center is geotagged.
Looking at the image, the motto is fuzzy and to the right there is wasted space. The image needs to be cropped.
As the motto says Sumnjaj da bi razumeo- and this has led to a useful discussion. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 12:28, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
Moot Hall Sundial
Thanks for the useful comments. The image is not the best quality one; I might take a better shot in the future.
According to Google, Petnica Center is probably located at 44.246540=44° 14' 48'' N, 19.930834=19° 55' 51'' E [3], so that's quite similar to your coordinates. I think we can use this for geotagging. This dial's vertical is pointed to 1, and Aldeburgh is close to 1st meridian east, but this doesn't seem to be the case with the sundial in Petnica. Frankly, I don't know much about trigonometry or math for that matter, I'd need more studying in that field... I've contacted the Center, though, asking them if they can tell me more about this type of dial. I'll let you know if they reply.
As for cropping, I could do that tomorrow. Regards, Alex (talk) 19:57, 6 November 2015 (UTC)


So, can you tell me what else is needed to include this pic in the page? Alex (talk) 22:39, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Clitheroe Booklets (2)[edit]

For the training sessions I have produced these three booklets--comments welcome- They were used at the

From the feedback the files have been reworked - I will continue fiddling with them. I need to look at the maths section in the intermediate and write the page on writing templates. Here are the drop box links

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Clog (British)[edit]

Hi Clem. Is there a reason for adding Atkinson and Cahill to external links? Both pages are given in the references section above. I'd revert, but someone of your standing probably does have a good reason. Regards, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 11:53, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Yes. Cahill for balance (weak)but Atkinson- it is his five videos this Rough cutting this Hollowing this Uppers this Clasps Clog and Pattern) I am after. He has done them using Vimeo, and I can't find a clear CC-BY-SA statement- which possibly was an oversight- he comments a lot on Clogging videos for instance NWFilm archive ([https://vimeo.com/album/3066221/video/107803204 this). All those videos I would like to see on commons--but before that I think we need to have them clearly placed- then someone can phone and ask him whether he is willing to put a CC-BY-SA tag on them so we can go the copy them over. Walkley's are not using traditional techniques but use machines- not the wood or the technique described.
I am searching for illustrations of Blockers, Hollowers etc- Cahill has one, Chris Brady this but copyright unclear.And Now, Stock knife has an illustration- but it is not of a blocker-goodness knows what it is. So that is the evil plan.
Think is a about time to do the Clog dancing split. More later this week. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 12:58, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
I'm not querying the usefulness of Atkison & Cahill, just whether the same page needs to be referenced in two succeeding sections? I've been a bit busy recently so I haven't taken up your earlier challenge. If you want to run with it, good luck! Martin of Sheffield (talk) 13:27, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
I've just seen the extra Atkinson videos, so fair enough, comment withdrawn. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 13:52, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
I rely on you- to challenge my mistakes. Just too bad that you don't do the London meet-up or I can buy you a pint. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 14:21, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
@Martin of Sheffield: This is the state of Clog dancing draft It is still littered with copyvios which I am slowly culling but I think the structure is right. I am minded to redirect Clog-dancing to a new page Clog dancing as I can't see the logic of the dash. Any thoughts? -- Clem Rutter (talk) 22:05, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
Hi Clem. I've had a look at the draft and it seems fine. Possibly the lead is a bit long and repeats too much detail from the history section, but that can be better précised once the body has been knocked into shape. Keep up the good work! I might try to get to a London meetup, but at the moment family life is a bit hectic (2 teenage sons) and London is a pain to get to these days! Martin of Sheffield (talk) 09:35, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Hello ClemRutter, The videos are very interesting. I further searched a bit on Clitheroe Castle Museum and found out there is an exposition of the work of a local retired traditional clog maker. I was wondering if there is also a permanent collection of (international) clogs? Kind regards, Berkh (talk) 19:31, 12 November 2015 (UTC).

Sadly, not yet- the aim of the museum was to represent aspects of local life- (auf Deutsch- Es is heute nur ein Heimats museum.) Send me an email and we can talk more freely. Clem.-- Clem Rutter (talk) 19:55, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
Hello ClemRutter, I am searching for the email option, but I can not find it. Kind regards, Berkh (talk) 09:48, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
User page- Tools - 5th option down or here ( I am off out with my granddaughter now- till this evening) -- Clem Rutter (talk) 10:15, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

A note: Dutch clog dancing, or klompendansen is hardly existing. If it really existed (organised) at all. I seems more something that in the past happened spontaneous. I can't remember I have seen it for real. Klompendansen as an expression is on the other hand well known. Putting on klompen and a traditional dress is more something for Dutch emigrants in Holland, Michigan, USA. Pictures of it there seem to me a hodgepodge of traditional clothing from the West of the Netherlands. The clothing you only see in Volendam and Alkmaar. What tourists see and associate with Holland. Clothing in the North, East and South is different. Kind regards, Berkh (talk) 19:54, 12 November 2015 (UTC).

I take that on board-- Clem Rutter (talk) 20:09, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

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Terraced housing[edit]

Hi. I'd been thinking of doing a content fork of Terraced house for some time, after I explained to my (American) partner what a typical 3-up 2-down terraced house was like. I started Draft:Terraced houses in the United Kingdom, thinking there were no other comparable articles, then came across Byelaw terraced house which you also started recently. We probably need to merge the two articles together, as the one I started is wider in scope and covers all terraces, rather than just the stereotypical Victorian ones. How do you think we should proceed? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:44, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi - great to hear from you. Two months ago I would have agreed- I wrote the Byelaw terraced house article in frustration at finding a term I hadn't heard before which didn't have a WP article. I also saw a problem with Council house- but a with little brute force, I forked it into Council House and Public housing in the United Kingdom. The source material is incredible rich and my thoughts are changing on a daily basis. And there is great cross over.
So with my hidden agenda of total world domination before Xmas- I think we should focus Draft:Terraced houses in the United Kingdom as the overview article with Byelaw terraced housing as a more specific child article, along with ones on Georgian terraces, London terraces with mews, Packed earth floor back-to-backs Tenements.
RW Brunskill, has written many articles on pre- 1900 vernacular building types- I have several; but haven 't drilled down to find much on council housing or privately built terraces. Time factor.
My thoughts were that council house, should be mainly about the bricks and mortar- ground plans elevations etc. The designed changed radically from 1910 to 1960, when we had the tower block interlude. Public housing in the United Kingdom should take the housing unit as a commodity and explain the philosophy, sociology and politics of publically provided units- I haven't started to shape that yet- the different sections between the two articles will link like the rungs of a ladder. My interest started from the physical bricks and mortar but there are so many spin offs.
Back to the humble terrace- you can date a Byelaw house by its feature- for instance the lintels over the windows- starting with the brick lintels that key into the one brick solid walls at 70 degree angle- the cast stone replacements that key in at 70, the cast stone flat lintels that rest on 9" footings and disperse the force vertically. Concrete with stone facings- steel with stone or brick facings. etc This needs expanding. Plumbing evolution, the acceptance of water closet within the house (so unhygenic- it will never catch on), the change from scullery to kitchen... so the byelaw article is resting until I have time to reference and add these details. It has the potential to become massive. This was a period when planning and building control were becoming established- many of these houses were not designed by an architect, but bought from a pattern book that the builder maintained. (still haven't found one) Architectural practices were involved in estate layout (I think)
Parkinson-Bailey Parkinson-Bailey, John J. (2000). Manchester: an Architectural History. Manchester: Manchester University Press. ISBN 0-7190-5606-3.  has a great chapter on Housing in the Nineteenth Century which has two good quotes about the working classes: ..there is no great hardship for people of this class to share a scullery with another family; they have for the most part been doing this most of their lives... This and UWE are good sources for an article on Pre 1875 urban terraced houses. I am now looking for material for Interwar terraced houses. It seems to be out there just uncategorised.
More later- I have been interrupted again. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 18:32, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
I've moved the draft article to mainspace, so it's now at Terraced houses in the United Kingdom, and added some more information from that UWE source. I had a look at some of the other articles on that website as well. The article is now about 1350 words, which is a reasonable introduction to a topic and a suitable spin-off from the main Terraced house article, so I think we should be able to accommodate this topic fairly well. I think the next thing to look at is the various types of estates that spring up in the 19th century, and why - I know all about the terraces in South Wales because my grandparents lived there and it's one of the best surviving examples of basic terraced housing in the entire country, but I'd like to know more about why there are large amounts of uninhabited terraces in Liverpool and Greater Manchester and what exactly caused it to happen. There was that episode of DIY SOS recently where a team of people banded together to completely restore a street.
Part of the motivation to write about this topic is trying to find out more about various memories I have, such as wondering why the house I used to live in, a 1900s terrace, looked identical to all the others in the street, except for the downstairs bathrooms, which had all been retro-fitted individually in completely different styles depending on who did it. Why are typical Victorian or Edwardian terrace houses basically all the same design with variations? And why are pairs of terraces that still have the original finish on them named "<name> villas"? (random example found on StreetView) And how and when did electricity, running water and (ultimately) central heating get retrofitted into all of them? Questions, questions. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 22:35, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
With gross unreferenced generalisations-- Jobs moved to the towns- Manchester, Leeds, South East London, round the mills, foundries and shipyards and factories. Economic growth was constrained by the number of labourers you could get. Children from the workhouses were cheap but even then you had to house them within walking distance of the factory gate. You needed tenements or houses. Maximum density was achieved in back-t--backs or round courtyards- the earthcloset of privies were at the end of the street, disease and pollution killed of the labourers faster than you could replace them.
There is a rich vein of houses around here to be examined

Government stepped in with the 1875 act- each house had to be a through house. Back to backs were history. Each house had to have its own privy, with a back access ginnel and alley so the night soil was not carried through the house. I think it was soon after that water and mains drainage had to be provided to the back of each house. Local authorities had to regulate new builds. As each new chunk of land was released for housing, the authority insisted that a road be laid at the front, and alley at the back. Lord Whatshisname, or Bishop thingy prepared the land- and sold the plots to whichever builder paid most. In those days if 100 plots were released- 20 builders may stump up the cash and buy some of them according to their capacity, and they built by rule of thumb which ever design they knew- all different yet really the same. They had to stick to the building line, and stick to the byelaws and buy the material available, so if the supply of pine change it would affect all of them, and the designs would all change. The all needed to use the same box sash windows, and the byelaws said the area of glazing should be 10% of the floor area of that room. Now I learnt last week- that houses for the overseers and shop-owners doctors were still built in the grid, but to a higher standard- they may for example be 2 plots wide- all these houses were called Villa houses- I live in one and was surprised to find out that is why the plaque onm the wall names it a Florence Villa. It was quite radical for 1885, because as well as the outside Water Closet- the Byelaw defined distance from the kitchen door- I also had a watercloset that was installed on a half landing on the stairs- yes inside (how filthy was that I ask you?). Enough for tonight I need sleep! -- Clem Rutter (talk) 01:31, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

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Lancashire GLAM[edit]

Hi Clem, how's it going? Thanks for posting this, I was aware that funding cuts where likely, but this is a shock. I'm particularly worried about QSM, as it seems so much would have to be done so quickly to save it. I believe there is an Christmas event at Helmshore on Saturday. Not my usual scene but I think I'm going to pop down and see what people are thinking about the future.

You may have noticed that I've not been around for a while, but I have continued with Clitheroe Castle offline, time permitting, and merged it back in the other day. It has been hard work, as it turns out that just about everything about its history is disputed, especially its origin. I've sill got a few bits to tidy-up, one being the referencing on your geology section. Where you aware that you haven't actually ref'd the Kabrna book that you added to the Bibliography? I'm currently in two minds whether to put it through the GA process in the future. Trappedinburnley (talk) 20:04, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

I've been distracted. Without going into the gory details, its been dicky birds at the British Library, and a daughter moving house to Nottingham. So, I have looked at Kabrna again and realised why I put him down.
As I understand it- the baserock of 838 m of Chatburn limestone was deposited in flat shallow (75-100m) warm falling seas seas about 360 MA (milions of years)[1] . About 351MA it tilted and the sea level increased and this marked the start of the Clitheroe limestones (both in the Bowland High group- of the western european Tornnaisian stage of Carboniferous [2] )
The mud mounds were thought by Tiddeman (1889) & Parkinson to be mound like accumulations of biogenic material[3] Vaughan (1916) recognised the fossil content was the same as in the Waulsortian limestones/mudstones in Belgian, in the 50s it was found that the mounds did not have the skeletal frameworks created by living organisms- so it was not a reef. They were created by lime mud, flowing in from elsewhere Lees(2006) [4]. The clue was looking at the Crinoids.
In 1972 Miller and Grayson described the mudmound having a core or bank bed. This developed in a low energy system and could be a stack of mounds. They are surrounded by thick bedded looser flank beds deposited in more turbulent waters--these merge into flat deposited inter-bank beds which can also occur in non Waulsortian conditions. [5]
Wallsortian mudmounds occur in two layers in the Clitheroe Limestone, the Coplow Limestone Member, and again in the Bellman Limestone Member which is upto 800m deep. Clitheroe castle is a Bellman member Wallsortian mudmound [6] This is around 346.3 MA. The sea-level was falling leaving an unconformity, and the base platform was fracturing. We ane entering the Viséan (Craven Group). These formation would be further fractured by the varican orogeny [7]
There are also a couple references on [8]

References[edit]

  1. ^ Kabrna 2011, pp. 16-19.
  2. ^ Kabrna 2011, p. 11.
  3. ^ Kabrna 2011, pp. 19, 10.
  4. ^ Kabrna 2011, p. 20.
  5. ^ Kabrna 2011, p. 22.
  6. ^ Kabrna 2011, p. 27.
  7. ^ Kabrna 2011, p. 49.
  8. ^ Kabrna 2011, p. 165.

Clitheroe Castle looks very good-


And to QSM and Helmshore- my thoughts are secure the mill by forming a single issue trust, buying it for a pound, and get Museum of Science and Industry to 'adopt it' and pay to run it , using European money to establish a world heritage site- or partner with Tuchfabrik Müller to form a European ring of Textile History. To save them coffee mornings wont be enough. LCC Museums officers probably have several viable ideas but need to gauge the professional support they can get locally- so lobby to establish management committee so organisations have someone to talk to. I know it sounds impossible- PS Medway Queen is still progressing- they has a lot of support from the Boilermakers Union. I am an email away -if I can be of any use. Clem Rutter (talk) 23:24, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

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Confessional Thanks[edit]

Dear ClemRutter, I must confess that many of the duplicated internal links in the Roy Hart article were mine. And I wanted to thank you for pointing out my misunderstanding of linking policy. I am learning as I go, and suffer sometimes from punctilliousness in the wrong places. When I have finsihed working on the next articles I am currently researching, I will go back through those to which I have made a major contribution and rectify the same issue. And in future I will just link to the fist mention, in accordance with your note. Many thanks, and apologies for my misunderstanding. Prolumbo (talk) 11:11, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Flow[edit]

Per discussion at Village Pump technical: WP:Flow is the WMF's explanation/documentation/sales-pitch for Flow. But more usefully you can give it a try. You can freely make test posts at mw:Talk:Sandbox. I would have linked you to the local EnWiki Flow testing page, but it died when an admin tried testing admin tools on it. Alsee (talk) 00:51, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Course February[edit]

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Ebbsfleet[edit]

Hi ClemRutter, Never thought I'd say this but thanks for reverting!, For some reason the images looked like they were taken at different locations (I don't think the captions helped!) which is actually why I removed them, Had I realized they were actually taken at Ebbsfleet I wouldn't of removed them so thanks again for reverting :), Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 22:31, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

If the weather were better I may do some more. I am now trying to put together a few neutral paragraphs on the Ebbsfleet Valley housing fiasco. There is a lot of background work, ABC city was being quoted but that was a redlink-- I have multiple spreadsheets open as HMRC is knocking at my door too. Keep up the conversation.-- Clem Rutter (talk) 14:13, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

War memorials[edit]

Hi Clem, was good to see you today. If you get the chance (and the weather!) for an excursion, there are three war memorials I need photos of in Kent. They're in Maidstone (which is nice and easy for you!), Rolvenden, and Sandhurst (no, not that Sandhurst!). We do have some photos of them all on Commons (c:Category:Maidstone Cenotaph‎, c:Category:Rolvenden war memorial‎, and c:Category:Sandhurst war memorial, Kent), so it's not urgent—I'll have illustrations for when I do finally get round to writing the articles—but they're not great quality and they're low resolution. We do have a nice sharp photo of Rolvenden's, but it's side-on! Anything you can do would be great but a comprehensive survey with photos from all angles would be absolutely fantastic. In return, I promise I'll use some of them in articles! Thanks, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 02:06, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

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Help! Am I missing something[edit]

Hi Clem. Can you help me out? I am not by any means averse to criticism, and have worked hard since joining to address all issues raised on any article I have written. I have just finished a very long process of authoring Autonomous sensory meridian response. I got way to involved probably. But I really felt it was my best article so far. A user has placed templates saying it lacks structure and flow, and may need re-writing entirely to meet quality standards. If this is true, then really, there is little point me continuing, because it is the best I can do. Does it really need rewriting? Does it really lack structure and flow? It is not that I am claiming it is faultless by any means. But the specific faults pointed out seem to me way off. Tell me straight. Many many thanks! Prolumbo (talk) 07:37, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Its all there, but if you are an A level student- its a bit difficult to navigate. Give me fifteen minutes and I add a bit of hierarchy to the sub-headings and we well see how it reads. Then I will compare it with an article on a similar subject and jiggle the sections around. Back soon. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 10:21, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
@Prolumbo: I have made a few changes- I think now, you clean up any errors I have made and wait for a respond. Then take it from there. Hope that helps. Clem Rutter (talk) 10:25, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia January Editathon[edit]

Hello Clem, I hope this works!--Eburdett (talk) 11:58, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

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Trouble at t'Mill[edit]

I was sorry to hear the news about the planned closure of museums in Lancashire. If you, Andy or others make plans to take action while they are still open, please let me know. Andrew D. (talk) 20:24, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Precious anniversary[edit]

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Books & Bytes - Issue 15[edit]

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Resource-based learning[edit]

Hi Clem, I have just started the Resource-based learning article, which i thought might be of interest to you. Leutha (talk) 23:23, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

VisualEditor News #1—2016[edit]

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Now, you can also rearrange columns and rows. Click "Move before" or "Move after" to swap the column or row with its neighbor.

You can read and help translate the user guide, which has more information about how to use the visual editor.

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor Team has fixed many bugs. Their workboard is available in Phabricator. Their current priorities are improving support for Japanese, Korean, Arabic, Indic, and Han scripts, and improving the single edit tab interface.

Recent changes[edit]

You can switch from the wikitext editor to the visual editor after you start editing. This function is available to nearly all editors at most wikis except the Wiktionaries and Wikisources.

Many local feedback pages for the visual editor have been redirected to mw:VisualEditor/Feedback.

You can now re-arrange columns and rows in tables, as well as copying a row, column or any other selection of cells and pasting it in a new location.

The formula editor has two options: you can choose "Quick edit" to see and change only the LaTeX code, or "Edit" to use the full tool. The full tool offers immediate preview and an extensive list of symbols.

Future changes[edit]

The single edit tab project will combine the "Edit" and "Edit source" tabs into a single "Edit" tab. This is similar to the system already used on the mobile website. (T102398) Initially, the "Edit" tab will open whichever editing environment you used last time. Your last editing choice will be stored as an account preference for logged-in editors, and as a cookie for logged-out users. Logged-in editors will have these options in the Editing tab of Special:Preferences:

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Uploading files to me on Dropbox[edit]

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Your Edit-A-Thon[edit]

One of the editors attending your edit-a-thon, Tamasine22 is engaging in some editing practices at Extant Theatre Company that I wouldn't really expect from one learning from an expert such as yourself. Would you mind taking a look? Thanks. R. A. Simmons Talk 15:58, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. We are watching them all- they have enthusiasm but there is a long way to go still. We are encouraging them now to edit each others articles- so we will see how that goes. Please do keep a watchful eye too and pass any further advice to them on their talk pages. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 16:23, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
Will do, thanks. R. A. Simmons Talk 17:47, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

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UK Wikimeet survey results[edit]

Hello. This is a quick note to let you know that the results of the UK wikimeet survey have now been posted on Meta at m:UK Wikimeet survey 2015. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:01, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

@Mike Peel: @Leutha: I have left comments on the related talk page m:Talk:UK Wikimeet survey 2015.--ClemRutter (talk) 15:24, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

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Lancashire Museums[edit]

If you have not seen the announcement: ----https----://www.change.org/p/councillor-jennifer-mein-save-lancashire-s-mill-museums/u/15881342?tk=zsPP_0EKngotzxzN95lLiRI2vdpAu2Rgi8n87Y6R02I&utm_source=petition_update&utm_medium=email ------ ClemRutter (talk) 10:17, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Help please re Lycée Français Charles de Gaulle[edit]

Hello Clem. As you have commented on the article previously, what say you about a youngster taking out a literary reference to 1066 and All That from one of the headers? I have explained it to him but he has nevertheless taken it down again. Is it that school articles bring out the persistent pupil in some wikipedians? Best wishes, --Po Kadzieli (talk) 16:50, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

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Do you want one Edit tab, or two? It's your choice[edit]

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Books & Bytes - Issue 16[edit]

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  • New donations - science, humanities, and video resources
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UK EU referendum edit-a-thon[edit]

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I wonder if there is somewhere a blog post or some other kind of summary about the edit-a-thon on the UK EU referendum. How was it? What are the outcomes?

Have a nice day, – T.seppelt (talk) 06:42, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

@T.seppelt: The main page was Wikipedia:Meetup/UK EU edit-a-thon and this is being used by about a third of the editors for feed back. Full fact have a link to a third party page on that site. There were two talks- one by Andrew Gray- short, and professionally done, on what is wikipedia and then one by Joe ?????. /how-to-make-bad-charts-7-simple-rules. I had prepared the booklet Newspeak House- Strengthening an article which most people ignore until they needed to mod a graph. or table and then it was 'Clem- could you just help out over here' so I spent most of the day life a demented butterfly. All the users were very focussed. Graphs were mainly of interest to Joe... there maybe more but I suggest Wikipedia talk:Meetup/UK EU edit-a-thon. ClemRutter (talk) 07:59, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Wikimedia UK Education 2016[edit]

Wikimedia UK Education 2016 Leutha (talk) 18:17, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

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Naturism in London[edit]

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Good to meet again at the London Meetup. Here's one of the pictures you wanted -- the World Naked Bike Ride in Holborn yesterday. I have a bunch more but they are all much the same. Andrew D. (talk) 21:39, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks- It has now gone live. --ClemRutter (talk) 22:57, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Wikimeet 107[edit]

Lovely to meet you yesterday at the London meetup - thanks for such a warm welcome! Zeromonk (talk) 08:20, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Books & Bytes - Issue 17[edit]

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Editing News #2—2016[edit]

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Place the cursor where you want to display the references list (usually at the bottom of the page). Open the "Insert" menu and click the "References list" icon (three books).

If you are using several groups of references, which is relatively rare, you will have the opportunity to specify the group. If you do that, then only the references that belong to the specified group will be displayed in this list of references.

Finally, click "Insert" in the dialog to insert the References list. This list will change as you add more footnotes to the page.

You can read and help translate the user guide, which has more information about how to use the visual editor.

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has fixed many bugs. Their workboard is available in Phabricator. Their current priorities are improving support for Arabic and Indic scripts, and adapting the visual editor to the needs of the Wikivoyages and Wikisources.

Recent changes[edit]

The visual editor is now available to all users at most Wikivoyages. It was also enabled for all contributors at the French Wikinews.

The single edit tab feature combines the "Edit" and "Edit source" tabs into a single "Edit" tab. It has been deployed to several Wikipedias, including Hungarian, Polish, English and Japanese Wikipedias, as well as to all Wikivoyages. At these wikis, you can change your settings for this feature in the "Editing" tab of Special:Preferences. The team is now reviewing the feedback and considering ways to improve the design before rolling it out to more people.

Future changes[edit]

The "Save page" button will say "Publish page". This will affect both the visual and wikitext editing systems. More information is available on Meta.

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Queen's Own Royal West Kent Regiment Cenotaph[edit]

Hey Clem, just wanted to say thanks again for those photos. I've just written the article and used one of them! I owe you a pint! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:32, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Kentish - article Cuxton[edit]

Hello ClemRutter - I see you reverted the edit I made in the article Cuxton. Please realize that Kentish is an ambiguous word, and it appears to me that none of the alternative articles listed there are helpful to people reading "Tudor Kentish Yeoman's house." Your explanation is that Kentish in this context is an architectural term - I checked Glossary of architecture and it's not listed there, so that doesn't help. I would recommend that Kentish is a better link to use - it's redlink, but it's better than the current status. PKT(alk) 11:26, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Yes, we haven't written the article! I am about 1500 km away from my books particularly my Brunskill--isbn:9780575071223-- and yesterday the O2 connection was slow. The one I want is about vernacular timbered buildings. The form is of two wings with a sprung floor between. Wealden hall house may help though was a little large. --ClemRutter (talk) 22:45, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

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Hi ClemRutter. May the user template in Special:WhatLinksHere/User:ClemRutter/scratchpad get replaced by a real template? --Leyo 22:05, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

@Leyo: Yes- how about Template:Infobox Housing project. It fell off my radar- I had got it so far, as a proof of concept, and was looking for some support, before I researched whether I was about to break anything. Have you any suggestions for improvements. --ClemRutter (talk) 09:13, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
I do not really have any suggestions. I was just wondering that a user template is used in several articles. IMO this is bad practice, e.g. as a potential target of vandalism (more difficult to spot). --Leyo 12:10, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
It might be best to be bold and perform the move. --Leyo 07:47, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

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Blackbird Leys[edit]

This edit [4]. Completely original research, speculation ("This lane was lined, either side, with horse-chestnut trees and was known to all local children as "Conker Alley""; "it looks like"; "the ford would be"; "Back in the early 1950's".) this is unreferenced (and trivial to boot) speculation based on one editor's interpretation of a map/personal memories. The previous - referenced - version was better. Keri (talk) 14:23, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

@Keri: I have re-written this for you. A quick google found the Radio Oxford article, and there was a ISBN already in the text. I rescued it as the conker quote was too well written to be vandalism, but the referencing was not the way we do it. It was clear on Open Street map that this had nothing to do with Sandford.
I put the trivia into an extended footnote so the information was not lost but it was away from the main text- it does less harm there. Then reading and re-reading the Radio Oxford piece found the chestnut reference- so all that it needs is a source to the childhood memory. We can afford to let that pass.
I do hope you can expand the article as there is a lot more in the Radio Oxford piece. --ClemRutter (talk) 16:42, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

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19:07, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Hi Clem

Good to meet you at the DAO editathon on Monday.

I'm now working my way through your 'Writing Your First Article' booklet, like a good student.

My article on Tony Heaton is progressing well.

Allan Sutherland

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Fastrack (fashion accessories)[edit]

Hi ClemRutter, When you moved the Fastrack article instead of it being "Fastrack (fashion accessories)" you had moved it to "Fastrack ( fashion accessories)" which is obviously incorrect - The article still exists I've just removed the extra space :), Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 18:10, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

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Note to myself[edit]

15th November (tomorrow!)[edit]

Hi Clem - so sorry I didn't make it to the meetup yesterday to see you - I had a bit of a gardening-related injury! If you can still come along tomorrow I'd be very grateful to have you there to help out. The editing part of the day will begin at about 2.30pm, so if you'd prefer to skip the talks and just come to that you could do, though you're very welcome to come for the whole day - whatever is best for you. Let me know if you can make it (and if you have any dietary requirements for lunch!). Zeromonk (talk) 09:56, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

Hi Clem - Thank you for the information. You may see us there tomorrow. Sent Zeromonk an email back today. Thisandthem (talk) 14:51, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
Thanks again for coming along today - it was brilliant having you here to get involved and help out! Zeromonk (talk) 17:18, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Hi[edit]

Hello Clem. --Russtmoul87 (talk) 14:59, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Ooops[edit]

Sorry about this - I was absolutely sure it was in article space when I edited it. Clearly I'm confused - I'd not usually edit something like that in userspace. Apologies and best wishes DBaK (talk) 07:37, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

Confused- welcome to my world. --ClemRutter (talk) 09:25, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
There's a lot of it about!! :) Thanks for the nice reply. DBaK (talk) 12:34, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

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Thank you for Hand holding and a request for help.[edit]

@ ClemRutter, Hello!

Thank you for Hand holding. Errors aplenty in my edits, I acknowledge.
I am intrigued and fascinated with the World on this side of wiki. My respects continue to grow each day for the noble platform. I am also amazed at stalwarts who continue to contribute through & over a decade. My salutation to you too sir.
I continue to learn each day. I admit I am yet to go through the training manual you suggested. I am sure, I shall benefit from it once I start learning from it.
Besides the article on Household Stone tools in Karnataka, I request your help on another article Chigali. I requested for photos to upload on the article Chigali from one of the websites. They replied today that I can use the pics. Could you kindly help in this regard,

  1. I have email permission to use pics. Is it Ok to use?
  2. If I can use it on the page, could you please guide me to the steps to do so?
  3. Should any other permissions or procedure is required?


I am aware that I am taking your valuable time on such a trivial matter. My apologies.


Sincerely

--Kireadsalot (talk) 16:39, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

@ ClemRutter, Hello

I wanted to share an update with you regarding the request for help in uploading of photos. I had requested for help from @Bgwhite: earlier. I got a reply for that. I am going about those steps now.

Thanks.

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Housing estate in Roehampton[edit]

Hi Clem

We were discussing the Roehampton council estate at the meet up on Saturday, and just to let you know this is the one I had in mind: Alton Estate. I happened upon it during a cycle ride in the area a few weeks ago, having not realised it was there before. It looks like you haven't worked on that particular one yet! Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 13:40, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

@Amakuru: The Roehampton estate was renamed the Dover House Estate and had no article. At the time with 1212 houses it was a big estate. I was going to call it the article Roehampton estate but that title had been taken by Leutha for Roehampton estate- a slave colony Tooting, Roehampton, Putney is untrodden soil for me- and I found Alton Estate on the Roehampton article so I will look at it soon. The Roehampton article is beautifully written but if you Google certain of the more memorable phrases- a lot of it seems to be a c&p copyvio. Work needed there. The other thing that I notice is the absence of photos on commons so if you have a camera handy it will save me a journey. I am pressing on with Dover House today but I will add a few tweaks to Alton soon. --ClemRutter (talk) 15:01, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Yes, of course. That will give me an excuse to get back on the bike and go check that out in the next couple of weeks. Thanks, and good luck with the Dover House work!  — Amakuru (talk) 15:32, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

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Following up on this, you referred to "the total stupidity of the suggestion to change from the lines official name". I'm not that offended, as I'm used to wikipedians over-reacting to ideas they don't like, but I'm still at loss to understand what you're relying on for the line's "official name". Early sources, when the line was in operation in the 19th century, never called it the Woodhead line; later (in the 20th century) it was known as the "Woodhead line". Did it at some point get an official name? Did anyone capitalize it while it was running? Where is the stupidity in trying to follow WP:NCCAPS and MOS:CAPS? Dicklyon (talk) 04:50, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Don't be offended- never the intention. What you are trying to do in hitting out out over-capitalisation (case) is generally a good thing. Bravo for that. I first hit his article way back, but I don't believe I have edited it. One of the first thing you do with a new articles is to check the case, and the definite books for rail lines are the Ian Allan Series. These were the basis for many of our articles. Working with the degree of trust we had for each other judgement we could recognise from the history whether the article was factually solid. Ian Allan are print books and are not digitised yet- but the railway buffs amongst us have them. in googling Ian Allen, I did find this publication
Bairstow, Martin. The Sheffield Ashton Under Lyne & Manchester Railway. The Woodhead Line. A detailed history and photographic study of the line containing a significant number of electric locomotive photographs. (pb) Published by author, 1986, pp72, isbn 0 9510302 4 8. VG (small inscription) £7
I was not intending to go into a full linguistic analysis of word usage along the line of the Woodhead route (which is how it has been referred to in Parliament since 2013) to distinguish between the old Woodhead Line and a potential reopened line on that route, the usage as Woodhead line as a shortform for the Woodhead rail line-- and the misusage by subeds on reliable papers known for their typos.

Trusting the expert editors of the past, rerunning those arguments is stupid. What we must do is look to our policy guidelines and see if we are allowed to use that name. We do. As I have now said elsewhere:

MOS:GEOUNITS (Institutions) gives categories of permitted use for Institutions and Geographical entities. The Woodhead Line is a clear geographical identity- it has a starting point, and finishing point, it is 41.5 miles long and has a defined width. The Panama Canal is 48 miles long .

You may not be aware of the political sensitivity of this line- (Google HS2 HS3 Northern Powerhouse) so the article will be watched-- this is a hell of a can of worms. ClemRutter (talk) 10:37, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Seasons Greetings[edit]

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Merry Christmas from me! Thanks for your company during 2016. Un-Festive?? We need to celebrate We have seen the percentage of articles on women rise from 15.5% to 16.77%. 20% is within our grasp and that's an increase of nearly a third% over what we first found. J24 is near the Coopers Arms (my local) Victuallers (talk) 15:50, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

It is on my to do list for next time I visit Sherwood- and the grandchildren. ClemRutter (talk) 16:26, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

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DYK for Oroville Dam crisis[edit]

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New draft page - feedback wanted[edit]

Hi Clem, I made a new draft on Theatremaker and Comedian Jess Thom: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jess_Thom

I've used your 'Disability Arts' template, and I've added 'Wikiproject Disability' template to the talk page...I think I'm starting to get the hang of this Wikipedia thing! Finally!

I would love your feedback on the article, and hope you're well. JTdisabilityartsonline (talk) 11:54, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

@JTdisabilityartsonline: "I think I'm starting to get the hang of this Wikipedia thing! " I think you are! That's an excelllent piece of work .
As to constructive comments- well that is a hard task. I have read it twice now and nothing has jumped out of the page. So I went to Talk:Billy Connolly to compare. This is a B rated article- so I also hoped to find a reference to the Assessment criteria. Wikipedia:WikiProject_Biography/Assessment#Quality_scale I expanded out the criteria for a B. I think that is where you are aiming.
In the Lead bold the subject- what is a theatre-maker, that needs a wikilink. The infobox is there but I think we do need a photo- as she is alive and prominent I think just using a copyrighted newspaper pick and calling it fair use wont work. Read more at Wikipedia:Non-free content#Policy. There is room for more wikilinking- particularly terms that non-theatre people might not know. Obviously don't go for over linking but there is only I link in the Disability Activism section. There is nothing explicit in the lead describing her role in DActivism and it should be there, both to create the synopsis and to hammer home her notability.
I look forward to seeing what the Draft assessor comes up with. Then when it is launched we can see again what we both have missed. Exciting.ClemRutter (talk) 14:32, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
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For getting Leekfrith torcs onto the mainspace so quickly. Good to see it here in a good state already. Cheers!Zakhx150 (talk) 08:19, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Oroville Dam crisis[edit]

Why is adding a wikilink to 2017 California floods at all controversial? I don't see any existing discussion of this on the talk page. Antony–22 (talkcontribs) 05:33, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

@Antony-22: I think this is a continuation of the discussions of 16th February, and tying to make the lead compliant with MOS. We should have the the title as the first wl'd bolded item in the first sentence. We haven't. My POV is your fact is vital, It should be in the first sentence. It should/must be there as the second mentioned fact- but not first as it take undue prominence. I can't see a way to do that- hence I hoped that others would come up with a magic solution through discussion.--ClemRutter (talk) 10:31, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
Actually, MOS says that the title does not have to be present or bolded in the first sentence when a descriptive title is used: WP:BOLDAVOID. The point that the wikilink should be later in the lead is a valid one, so I'll look for another place to put it. Antony–22 (talkcontribs) 19:37, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
@Antony-22: Perfect. I see that 2017 California floods is one of your articles (well with a little help from your friends). And I was winging about this article lead! This Oroville article is good on the specifics but has no context- and the meteorological/ climatological cause I believe should be included in order to satisfy the general reader. Either before of after ==Investigation==, or if you are feeling brave in ==Background==. We are missing also a ==See also== where the overtopping at Anderson Lake (California) could get a link.
All these articles are important for the Global warming debate so we need to have them 'President proof'. Looking at 2017 California floods, the first sentence reads:

The high-amplitude ridge off the West Coast that characterized the 2011–17 California drought was replaced by a persistent presence of anomalous troughs impacting California. Another feature in the 2013–2015 winters was the extreme temperature contrast between a warm western U.S. and a cold eastern continent. These anomalous temperature and circulation patterns were referred to as the North American winter “dipole”.

That is going to fun to edit! I'll keep watching and may be will dive in after Wednesday's edit-athon. ClemRutter (talk) 00:00, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
Well, I can't take too much credit for the 2017 California floods article; mainly I was surprised that it hadn't been started yet, so I split some text from other articles and added a few sentences of my own here and there. Mainly I wanted to provide a framework that others could build onto. Yes, the "Causes" section of that article isn't very good, and if you can improve it that would be great! Antony–22 (talkcontribs) 00:54, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

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This Month in GLAM: February 2017[edit]

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Five years since we met?[edit]

Editing guide from Women in Red event

Thanks Clem - I suspect we should have made more of your user guide at Newnham, but I wasn't expecting such a quality gift. A quick guide to the visual editor is missing. I am using your guide at Loughborough Uni on Friday and De Montfort Uni on Tuesday. Great gift - its on the Role Models page. Thanks Victuallers (talk) 20:30, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

@Victuallers:
The most upto date version is on Women in Red Dropboxand I have done a |pdf. The only changes are cosmetic.
I haven't tried to do full coverage of Visual Editor as I don't use it and it is just not stable enough yet- their little tweaks in the screen formatting involves doing new screen dumps and even resetting the page- the kids screens have to look like the booklet six months after the event! I want to have a look at mobile phone editing too.
If you can provide some critical feedback on what works and what doesn't- it will be useful- you can email me a few photos of the the sheets covered in red pencil marks in the traditional way.
As I have said before these were never intended for distance learning or instruction- just a booklet to which a live tutor could refer when teaching a group of time-short professionals. It comes in multiples of 4 pages so it can be printed in A5 booklet form. It seems to have filled another niche too. So at the moment enjoy. ClemRutter (talk) 12:24, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

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Copyright problem on Secondary school[edit]

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@Diannaa: Lets keep the conversation on one page. Great to chat. You know what I am attempting to do by looking on the talk page- sort out an article with multiple problems- I am grateful that you are helping. I have diffed the section below so we can work on- it is correctly sourced - and many of the words are the same. The subject is different, Richards is writing a list of goals for his students- that is the artistic effort. Here we are being encyclopedic and stating these as fact. He is using similar words in subsidary clauses, our work cannot be claimed to be derivative. Written as it was, it is a useful check list. So lets look at the bullet points and compare, and you can perhaps suggest improvements.
==Secondary School as an institution==
− restore
The secondary school is a fundamental unit in a functioning society
− New text- not covered in any way by reference- restore''
  • sociological methods can aid our understanding of educational processes and systems
− compare with By the end of this chapter you should be able to 1. Explain how sociology can aid our understanding of educational processes and systems
  • the key concepts and theoretical approaches in the sociology of education have changed over time
− compare with 2. Demonstrate an understanding of the key concepts and theoretical approaches in the sociology of education and how they have changed over time
  • the social context, social diversity and inequality impact on educational processes and outcomes delivered by the secondary school
−compare with 3. Developed an awareness of social context, of social diversity and inequality and their impact on educational processes and outcomes
  • different social groups achieve differential outcomes from engaging with education at the secondary level
− copare with 4. Explain in sociological terms why different social groups achieve differential outcomes from engaging with education
  • research strategies and methods in gaining knowledge will impact on how the secondary school is seen
-compare with 5. Outline an understanding of the nature and appropriate use of research strategies and methods in gaining knowledge in the sociology of education
<ref>{{cite book|last1=Waller|first1=Richard|title=SOCIOLOGY OF EDUCATION|publisher=University of the West of England|location=Chapter 5|url=http://eprints.uwe.ac.uk/13671/1/Final_edited_Soc_of_E_22F8362.docx|accessdate=4 April 2017}}</ref>
- restore''

Each one is slightly or significantly different. So what Have I missed this time. ClemRutter (talk) 23:42, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

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@Diannaa: Interesting. I'll get back to you in a couple of days. ClemRutter (talk) 09:12, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

Books and Bytes - Issue 21[edit]

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This Month in GLAM: March 2017[edit]

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Twenty-four thousand edits[edit]

This is my 24 000th edit.--ClemRutter (talk) 23:51, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Congrats on a major milestone. Dicklyon (talk) 03:49, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

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Digital Marketing & Social Media[edit]

Hi, I am on the Digital Marketing and Social Media masters module at Loughborough University and wanted to stop by to let you know that I have now started my Wikipedia journey!--RyanHarris19 (talk) 13:23, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Clem - This user is using your guide!! He has got confused because it was Roger Bamkin who gave it to him. Your guide is very useful and it is being used. Ryan - well done. my talk page is here Victuallers (talk) 10:10, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
Greetings, @RyanHarris19:- Its good to know that I am now writing prescribed texts for Loughborough University! ;-) If there is any way I can clarify the mysteries of Wikipedia- come back to me on my Talk page or with an email- it is useful for me to have feedback on any of my booklets and text and suggestions for improvements. I haven't followed up on what the Digital Marketing and Social Media masters actually covers- so suggestions on how I/we can focus the material would be helpful.--ClemRutter (talk) 11:22, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
@Victuallers:I was toying with the idea of formatting the pages for Wikibooks or Wikiversity. Is this worthwhile? If so which? Whats missing? Is there a better way?--ClemRutter (talk) 11:22, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
Learning points so far - Admins who see two new users looking at the same article on the same day assume its a sock.
Do register your account days and ideally weeks before you need it. On the other hand - dont assume that you can just type stuff press save save and that will be it. If you have an assignment then complete it a week before the deadline (leave some contingency).
Personally I've been surprised to find that users sand boxes can easily get reverted. They need watching over. Are you interested in helping to look over this group? They are all rushing for the deadline and they are getting some pushback from other editors. Victuallers (talk) 12:12, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
If you want something done ask a busy man. Sure. I'll give a hand. Do you Want to send me a few links and a list of your ducklings. ClemRutter (talk) 12:41, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
Well I guess you know how good you are. Ive created a list of the user names here. They know about refs and not cutting and pasting and the sandbox. They were using the visual editor. They are trying to write stuff about digital marketing.... Victuallers (talk) 18:21, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Clem,

My name is Jordan Chappell and I'm a on the Msc Marketing course at Loughborough University. --Jordapedia (talk) 17:43, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Editing News #1—2017[edit]

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Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor Team has spent most of their time supporting the 2017 wikitext editor mode which is available inside the visual editor as a Beta Feature, and adding the new visual diff tool. Their workboard is available in Phabricator. You can find links to the work finished each week at mw:VisualEditor/Weekly triage meetings. Their current priorities are fixing bugs, supporting the 2017 wikitext editor as a beta feature, and improving the visual diff tool.

Recent changes[edit]

A new wikitext editing mode is available as a Beta Feature on desktop devices. The 2017 wikitext editor has the same toolbar as the visual editor and can use the citoid service and other modern tools. Go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures to enable the New wikitext mode.

A new visual diff tool is available in VisualEditor's visual mode. You can toggle between wikitext and visual diffs. More features will be added to this later. In the future, this tool may be integrated into other MediaWiki components. [12]

The team have added multi-column support for lists of footnotes. The <references /> block can automatically display long lists of references in columns on wide screens. This makes footnotes easier to read. You can request multi-column support for your wiki. [13]

Other changes:

  • You can now use your web browser's function to switch typing direction in the new wikitext mode. This is particularly helpful for RTL language users like Urdu or Hebrew who have to write JavaScript or CSS. You can use Command+Shift+X or Control+Shift+X to trigger this. [14]
  • The way to switch between the visual editing mode and the wikitext editing mode is now consistent. There is a drop-down menu that shows the two options. This is now the same in desktop and mobile web editing, and inside things that embed editing, such as Flow. [15]
  • The Categories item has been moved to the top of the Page options menu (from clicking on the "hamburger" icon) for quicker access. [16] There is also now a "Templates used on this page" feature there. [17]
  • You can now create <chem> tags (sometimes used as <ce>) for chemical formulas inside the visual editor. [18]
  • Tables can be set as collapsed or un-collapsed. [19]
  • The Special character menu now includes characters for Canadian Aboriginal Syllabics and angle quotation marks (‹› and ⟨⟩) . The team thanks the volunteer developer, Tpt. [20]
  • A bug caused some section edit conflicts to blank the rest of the page. This has been fixed. The team are sorry for the disruption. [21]
  • There is a new keyboard shortcut for citations: Control+Shift+K on a PC, or Command+Shift+K on a Mac. It is based on the keyboard shortcut for making links, which is Control+K on a PC or Command+K on a Mac. [22]

Future changes[edit]

  • The VisualEditor team is working with the Community Tech team on a syntax highlighting tool. It will highlight matching pairs of <ref> tags and other types of wikitext syntax. You will be able to turn it on and off. It will first become available in VisualEditor's built-in wikitext mode, maybe late in 2017. [23]
  • The kind of button used to Show preview, Show changes, and finish an edit will change in all WMF-supported wikitext editors. The new buttons will use OOjs UI. The buttons will be larger, brighter, and easier to read. The labels will remain the same. You can test the new button by editing a page and adding &ooui=1 to the end of the URL, like this: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Sandbox?action=edit&ooui=1 The old appearance will no longer be possible, even with local CSS changes. [24]
  • The outdated 2006 wikitext editor will be removed later this year. It is used by approximately 0.03% of active editors. See a list of editing tools on mediawiki.org if you are uncertain which one you use. [25]

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Digital Marketing Course February[edit]

Hi, my name is Silvia and I am on your Digital Marketing and Social Media course at Loughborough university.--Silviagua (talk) 01:48, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

@Silviagua: Welcome on board, if you need me to do read over a draft- or have questions I will be here on-line this evening and tomorrow. ClemRutter (talk) 07:18, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: April 2017[edit]

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Nottingham HS[edit]

I think some information does not need an attached citation. For an establishment like this, it is largely going to be internal knowledge. Students of the school know it is true, but there may not be a source to confirm it. Some citations - if you read them - are totally irrelevant and do not assist in providing information. They seem to be there just to 'tick the box'. -Sb2001 (talk) 19:02, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

@Sb2001: In a state school, I would be able to knock off those references from the annual governors report to parents, or in the prospectus issued at secondary school transfer- or the adverts taken out by the school in the local press at transfer time. I am sure, that someone must have written a recent history. The problem comes when the article starts to look for GA status and this 'petty' points will be raised then. It is better to do it now. And until you have a reference you are not safe from roaming- deletionistas. Yes, there are articles that are over-referenced, one can spend an amusing 20 minutes cleaning them up- but here my rule is 'one interesting fact', 'explain where it can be verified (drop in a ref), and then a line in the edit summary to say what you have done. It is important to demonstrate this in schools articles to set a good example to the next generation of editors. ClemRutter (talk) 19:52, 17 May 2017 (UTC)