Talk:Steve McQueen

First/Birth Name

The Social Security Death Index shows his first name as "Terrance". Terence is the most popular spelling on google, with Terrence behind that and Terrance being extremely rare. I'm not going to change it without more proof that this, but given the circumstances of his childhood I'm tempted to believe the spelling in the SSDI. Thorne 18:01, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I have changed the spelling of Steve's birth name to Terrence. Admittedly there is wide disagreement and confusion about this, and admittedly also the IMDB lists the spelling as Terence. However, on the basis that most of the better McQueen biographies, including those by Christopher Sandford and Tim Satchell, list the spelling as Terrence, and given the fact that his grandson is called Terrence Steven McQueen II (pretty good evidence that his own son thinks that is the correct spelling), I have changed it to Terrence. Johnnyparker (talk) 10:04, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Asbestos

The article refers to McQueen using an "asbestos soaked rag" to cover his mouth. That's nonsense - asbestos is not a liquid and things cannot be "soaked" in it - but I haven't changed it because I don't know what meaning, if any, was intended. 67.158.72.8 04:37, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Opening paragraph defies NPOV

With statements such as "With penetrating slate-blue eyes, unconventional and craggy good-looks, he had a rugged machismo presence. Sometimes flashing an insolent smirk, he projected a tenaciously undaunted and captivating on-screen persona that also extended into his off-screen life", the opening paragraph of this article defies NPOV, and has been tagged for improvement. Hall Monitor 18:44, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Cause of Death

"Dr. Kelley.com has the cause of death of Steve as - murdered in the hospital having had the cancer removed which was cured and because of a phone call to the Doctor which was intercepted by FBI likely sent the actor to his death." 216.165.11.242 23:50, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Sounds like typical weird conspiracy nonsense of which the internet is a haven for.

Of note, Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez ( http://www.dr-gonzalez.com ) has been treating cancer patients much better than conventional doctors. NIH even sponsored a clinical trial of 10 patients with pancreatic cancer and their survival rate is much higher than those treated conventionally. Dr. Kelly's work of treating cancer are quite similar to the method of Dr. Gonzalez. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.244.102.2 (talk) 17:45, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Your edits have been reverted because they are not relevant to the article subject, Steve McQueen. Perhaps another article would be more appropriate as long as you provide adequate references. Alanraywiki (talk) 18:02, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Height

Read this interview with his first wife Neile Adams, she says quote "I've got his passports to prove that he was 5'10 1/2", 5'11" http://www.mcqueenonline.com/neilemcqueentoffel.htm 61.68.144.39 (talk · contribs) - 13:32, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

The article states that "he was known to wear lifts," but gives no citation for this. I'm curious to know what the implication is, in this case: would wearing lifts necessarily mean that he wasn't 5'10"? Perhaps they would be necessary in order to remain eye-to-eye (on screen) with someone taller than that. Does an "official" height listing mean that the studio is going to take great pains to ensure that the actors (and their characters) never appear to be any taller/shorter than that on film? Also, oddly enough, Barry Norman's account of McQueen's height is included at the exclusion of the statement given by McQueen's first wife. You'd think if anybody knew how tall the guy was, it'd be her, and she seems to be the only one so far with any actual documentation. Precise or not, if his height is that big of a deal then I think a passport is worth mentioning. intooblv (talk) 08:40, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

For what it's worth, my U.S. passport has no mention of my height. Monkeyzpop (talk) 12:49, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Edits from Banned User HC and IPs

Wikipedia's banning policy states that "Any edits made in defiance of a ban may be reverted to enforce the ban, regardless of the merits of the edits themselves. As the banned user is not authorized to make those edits, there is no need to discuss them prior to reversion."

1) HarveyCarter (talk · contribs) and all of his sockpuppets are EXPRESSLY banned for life.

2) Be on the look out for any edits from these IP addresses:

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Photo

I don't know if anyone has noticed anything special about the photo posted on the page?

Is posting that picture off a book legal? TheCooler 19:44, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure about that, but have you taken a close look at what McQueen is holding in his hand? Minerva nine 06:04, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

According to wikipedia:profanity it seems like it should be gotten rid of. Entirely unnecessary for the content of the article. I'm removing the picture from the page. Whursey 05:35, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

--Bdelisle 08:08, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

The Great Escape Jump

This page credits McQueen with the jump over the fence, but later credits Bud Ekins with making the jump. The Great Escape DVD extras have an interview with Ekins wherein Ekins states that he made the jump. With McQueen dead and many years between the event and Ekins' interview I see little reason for Ekins to maintain a lie for "insurance reasons". Is there any reference to McQueen actually making the jump? If not, the first statement should be corrected.71.133.246.82 21:58, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Unreferenced Christian stuff

I removed the following unreferenced "data":

Upon his death, they found his Bible in his hands, open to the Letter of Titus, with his finger pointing to the verse shown him by Billy Graham.

If you can provide an authoritative reference (ie, from someone who actually witnessed it - not "they"), put it back in.--Oscar Bravo 15:44, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

It is referenced reliably in Steve McQueen : Portrait of an American Rebel. But the verse was John 3:16 —Preceding unsigned comment added by IDarreni (talk · contribs) 01:23, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

when I read this Christian propaganda I thought I was going to throw up.

Notorious BIG lyric...

The line "Y'all already know, new kid on the scene / breaking out the box like my man Steve McQueen" has never been uttered by Biggie, especially not in Gimme the Loot.

And who would care anyway? 207.210.29.71 (talk) 01:54, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Question about sequence of marriages in Infobox

Steve McQueen was married three times, as verified in the Infobox. I question the sequence in which the marriages are listed. In the Infobox, the marriages are listed from last to first. It is protocol to list the marriages from first to last. I might be a good idea to rearrange the sequence of Steve McQueen's marriages in the Infobox from "last to first" to "first to last." Anthony22 17:51, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

McQueen and Martial Arts

Steve was not EVER trained by Bruce Lee or Chuck Norris. He asked both about giving him lessons and they both recommended that he approach Pat Johnson instead. Johnson trained him. The Parsnip! 18:16, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Once again, McQueen was NOT TRAINED BY BRUCE LEE. I have referenced this. Keep putting in that he was trained by Lee and/or Chuck Norris and I'll keep removing it. Nobody of Consequence (talk) 01:07, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Bruce Lee talked about training Steve McQueen in the interview in Pierre Burton show (also knows as the Lost Interview). You can watch it on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRdTJi0v3fQ&feature=related

Pierre: of all your students, famous, James Garner, Steve McQueen, Lee Marvin, James Coburn, Roman Polanski, which was the best? Who adapted best to this oriental form of exercise and defense?

Bruce Lee: well, that depends...as a fighter, Steve..Steve McQueen..now, he is good in that department because, that son of a gun has got the toughness in him....

Pierre: I see it on the screen....

Bruce Lee: I mean, he would say, all right baby, here I am, man, you know, and hell do it!

So Steve WAS TRAINED BY BRUCE LEE —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.101.94.56 (talk) 15:53, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't care what Bruce Lee (who was known for embellishment) said in some interview you found on Youtube. The authoritative McQueen biography I've read, written by Marshall Terrill, which has the blessing of his family and was written with the cooperation and participation of all of his wives/exwives, children, etc., states that he was not trained by Bruce Lee and that this is a common misconception. He was trained by Pat Johnson. McQueen and Lee may have sparred once or twice but this is not training. Nobody of Consequence (talk) 17:16, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Incorrect info on "An Enemy of the people"

The article says it was never released on VHS, but it was. Do an ebay search and you'll find legit studio released copies (rare but they exist).

Actually the article says it's "currently unavailable on VHS or DVD," not the same thing as "never released." Monkeyzpop (talk) 02:18, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

check again, it says "never released" —Preceding unsigned comment added by IDarreni (talk • contribs) 12:24, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

I did check again. Turns out the article said "never released" in one section and then in a later (inappropriate) section, it repeated the information, only this time saying "currently unavailable." I've fixed it. Monkeyzpop (talk) 20:42, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Was McQueen adopted?

Slovak Republic's Foreign Ministry site (www.mzv.sk) claims that Steve's birth name before an adoption by the McQueens was Štefan Ihnačák (pronounce as Shtefan Ihnachaak). 80.120.174.245 (talk · contribs) - 17:51, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

1) This is the ENGLISH version of Wikipedia. Asking us to go to a website in a different language isn't going to fly.

2) Do you have a United States adoption record (in English)? If so, lets see it.

3) All of the edits from this IP address (80.120.174.245) have been used purely for vandalism to date, why should we now take it seriously? Your pattern of editing gives you zero credibility.

4) We need: verifiable sources in English

IP4240207xx (talk) 20:24, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Under the "Hobbies" section, the writer states that Steve Mcqueen "Was to co-drive in a Triumph 2500 PI for the British Leyland team in the 1970 London-Mexico rally, but had to turn it down due to movie commitments". I fail to see how this qualifies as a "hobby". I think it should be changed to something more general regarding Mcqueen's skill and liking of cars. SP4 (talk) 21:28, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Bot report : Found duplicate references !

In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :)

• "William F% Nolan" :
  • [[William F. Nolan]]. ''McQueen''. 1984. Condon & Weed Inc. ISBN 0312925263
  • [[William F. Nolan]]. ''McQueen'', 1984, Condon & Weed Inc., ISBN 0-312-92526-3.<br/>

DumZiBoT (talk) 16:49, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

Undiscussed move. As the comment on the talk page says Are you joking? There should absolutely not be a redirect to the disambiguation page from one of the worlds most iconic actors ever. If ever there was a primary topic it would be Steve McQueen. Most of the other articles on the dab page are direct references to the actor. I suggest Steve McQueen (actor) is moved back to Steve McQueen, with Steve McQueen moved to Steve McQueen (disambiguation). Tassedethe (talk) 23:27, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

I've moved the page; there is quite clearly a primary topic involved here. Also, the original move was not uncontroversial in the first place, so it definitely needed to be discussed first. Parsecboy (talk) 23:46, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. That all happened so fast I thought I'd put a move request in for a page that was in the right place all along. Tassedethe (talk) 23:49, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Re unjustified slam from anonymous IP 4.240.159.123 regarding citations

Should you read this, please note that I did not place the citation you were concerned about there, but merely adjusted the spelling of its title after someone else place the cite. I have provided citations of my own for my edits regarding the tumors in McQueen's abdomen. To mistake someone else's edit for mine is excusable, but to make accusations in the tone you did on my talk page is against Wikipedia guidelines for civility and presumption of good faith. Also, if you wish to leave messages for people, you might do well to register so that your concerns can be addressed personally.Monkeyzpop (talk) 22:03, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

No, what you DID do was change the word "lung" to the "stomach" while leaving the reference that had the word "lung" in place, when the reference does not contain the word "stomach" anywhere. So, in effect you used the reference to reference the word "stomach" when it does not. This is the same as adding false information. This just in: John F. Kennedy died of lead poisoning. - 4.240.159.123 (talk) 23:50, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

If -- IF -- I did so, which I don't recall doing, it was an honest mistake and did not call for the tone of accusation in your posts, both the first one and now this one. WP:GOODFAITH is one of the first guidelines of Wikipedia. You showed neither good faith nor courtesy, that I could find. Monkeyzpop (talk) 07:24, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

OSHA and Steve McQueen's widow

When I went to trade school, it was aledged (sp?) by an instructor that _IF_ any one person could be credited for the creation of OSHA, then that person would be Steve McQueen's widow. Can anyone verify this? I'd like to know I'm speaking the truth before I place such a comment in the article. LP-mn (talk) 20:13, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Hmmmm... I just found out that OSHA was created in 1970 and Steve McQueen died in 1980. Something does not match here... LP-mn (talk) 20:17, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

What? Is your instructor Jeff Spicoli?

What about Jack Hardesty? Hardesty, a federal public information officer (National Bureau of Standards, the Public Health Service, the Environmental Protection Agency and the National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health) who worked on major health issues including black lung disease and anti-smoking campaigns, and who is credited with planting the idea that became the U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Act of 1970 to his brother, Robert Hardesty, a presidential speechwriter for Lyndon B. Johnson. Johnson gave a speech on May 23, 1966 (legislation takes a little time to formulate), that started out by talking about worker health and safety, and then during the speech LBJ directed the secretary of health, education and welfare, John W. Gardner, to come up with legislation that he could introduce for worker health. Next, he asked Senator Ralph Yarborough [D-Texas] to draft legislation that was eventually endorsed and signed by President Nixon. This had to do with West Virgina coal miners that contracted black lung disease in the late 1960s (SEE: Federal Coal Mine Health and Safety Act of 1969). Nowhere near a film set. Somebody is smokin' something. - 4.240.117.96 (talk) 21:39, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

PS: I believe Barbara Minty would have been about 11 years old in 1966. - 4.240.117.96 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 22:31, 25 January 2009 (UTC).

Like I said, something doesn't match. Glad I brought the topic up here, in the discussion area, instead of just posting the info without a double check! LP-mn (talk) 00:59, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Marines

I would like to see citations for corroboration of McQueen's supposed exploits while in the service. If he truly "saved the lives of five Marines" there ought to be an official citation or a reliable witness around to attest to this act of valor. Bob Higgins (talk) 00:21, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Insofar as Wikipedia guidelines are concerned, the exploits ARE cited, in that they are sourced to a published book. What you are asking, while very much in line with a justifiable desire to know and make public the actual truth about the exploits, is not necessary to fulfill Wikipedia's standards. Verifiability, as in the citing of a published source, is the guideline for WP, not actual truth. That's a little hard to take at times, for many of us. But it's how WP works. The items mentioned are well cited. If actual truth differs, it can only be listed if it also can be cited to a published source. If you find one, I'd love you to provide it so that the article can benefit therefrom. Monkeyzpop (talk) 01:35, 18 May 2009 (UTC)