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If the offer still stands...

...it appears that you also have at least one co-nom, if desired. Probably a few others that would volunteer for that too (if you want names, e-mail me!) I guess there's no better time to go through it :-) (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 23:00, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Many thanks ... draft responses for comment (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 12:22, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Truly, thanks ... working on the finalities as we speak type (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 10:48, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

..and thanks for the truly kind words in the nom. Much appreciated. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 21:36, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Should I remove this response? I truly feel he's going down some kind of WP:SOAP path, but I'm WP:AGFing and responding politely ... (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 21:15, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

I think you're probably fine...although if he keeps up you're right that it's probably best just to let him have the last word. It should be clear to the crats that he's harping over a really minor thing. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 21:23, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

July 2009 Ürümqi riots

Hey, that's great its at FAC, nice work! :) To be honest, I don't have opinion on the flag use - I added the reactions as they came in and flags made it easier as is the case with many other articles, so reading your comment I agree it makes it easier visually, rather than a load of text. But noting the other users concerns, it would make sense to either change them to the "link alt" thing. Bolding is fine but I think I prefer the first option, though I'm happy with either outcome. Sorry I'm not much use, I'm not really familiar with Wikipedia policies in this respect! Midway (talk) 23:50, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

• As only admins can do this, can you please set up an {{editnotice}} and eject the stuff which is currently seen at the top of the article when in edit mode? Cheers. Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 04:43, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Good idea, I'll get to it right away. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 05:13, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
    • fix "titlesof" to "titles of" :) Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 05:24, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Was it you who changed the italicisation of BBC News, etc? If so, was it at the prompting of any FAC comment? AFAIK, italics are usually reserved for traditional (ie paper) journals etc. Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 01:34, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Not sure. I changed all instances of BBC News, etc., to |work= (from |publisher= or |agency=) because that seemed to be what Template:cite news suggested. Based on my reading of it, it sounded like |agency= is only supposed to be used for the agency that wrote and supplied the article (i.e., it's sort of a replacement for |author=) and generally only when that differs from the newspaper/website where we found it (for example, a China Daily article that says the source is Xinhua, or something on ABC news that says the source is AP). Anyway, long story short, the italicization is probably a result of that change.

Of course, I haven't been working with this template for a long time so perhaps that is not the consensus on how things should be used. But that's what the documentation makes it sound like, so if the consensus is different we should probably update the documentation. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 01:57, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, '|work=' does italicise. I'll go and sort them out. Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 02:11, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

July 2009 Ürümqi riots info for Chinese views

Sorry about not getting back to you sooner. I didn't do much wiki editing over the break, but I've been doing way too much eding for the Haiti earthquake articles over the last week. I put together some info that could be used on this temporary page User:David_Straub/urumqiriotsedit. I think the main problem with the Urumqi riots at the moment is that it includes almost no information concerning government claims that the riots were orchestrated by a terrorist separatist group in Xinjiang. I don't believe the claims of the government, but most Chinese do. I think that adding one section that explains the views of the government by using articles from mouthpiece sources such as the China Daily would both informative and at least alleviate some of the concerns of Chinese that their views be heard. But I won't worry that this is endorsing their views. I think it is just more likely to reveal how ridiculous their claims are. Review what I put together and let me know what you think/want to do with it. I'm a little busy right now, so if you want to add some of the text to the main article, feel free to do so.

Actually, I down loaded an pirated copy of Colin Legerton's book, but I didn't read it yet. He's in CEUS. I took a class with him last year.

Take care. David Straub (talk) 20:49, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for putting this together. To be honest, right now it looks like most of that information is more appropriate in the East Turkestan Islamic Movement article, as most of it is about ETIM and the history of ETIM rather than its putative involvement in the riots, and many of the China Daily/Xinhua articles you found don't actually say much about the riots beyond what's already in the WP article:

• Xinjiang riot hits regional anti-terror nerve just says that WUC might be affiliated with ETIM. (And that statement is sourced to Rohan Gunarata, about whom I remember Gardner Bovingdon had some titillating things to say ;) ). Other than the WUC-ETIM connection, it has little to say about the July riots.
• World Uyghur Congress behind Xinjiang violence: expert Just says that WUC instigated the riot, which is already detailed in the WP article (mostly in the second paragraph of the "immediate causes" section). I recall there used to be more about this in the article (I think there was a whole paragraph on stuff like the "something big will happen" phone conversation, or whatever (update: after some digging, it looks like I removed the "do something big" because the sentence it was in was plagiarized, and I never got around to re-adding it)), and it was gradually trimmed down as time gave us better perspective on all of it. This particular China Daily piece would be a useful reference to add to the section, but I don't think it has a lot of actual new content that needs to be added.
• Urumqi riots part of plan to help Al-Qaida Says that the riots were instigated by separatists and that WUC is affiliated with Al-Qaeda. The first point is already in the article; the second can be added.
• Al-Qaeda threatens Chinese abroad: covered in the International Reactions section

rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 21:07, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Made some additions, mostly of the terrorist connection stuff (since I think the rest of the stuff is either already covered, or more appropriate in the ETIM article which is now linked from this section). To be honest, for most of the summer I was pretty much ignoring the terrorism stuff because POV-pushers repeatedly trying to add the article to "Terrorism" and "Terrorist attacks" categories were leaving a bad taste in my mouth. Looking back now, it does look like you're correct to point out that some of that has gotten left out of the article, but at the same time I think there's only so much that can be said (essentially "the government says the riots were premeditated by terrorists and they're connected with international terrorist networks) and I don't think a whole section can be made out of it without repeating ourselves a lot. (Or becoming a mouthpiece for the crazy speculative stuff that was going on in forums in July, like "the rioters had sneakers on so they must have been PLANNING to riot"). rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 21:27, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

The article looks much better. Good job. I think the material added does balance out the article. We don't have to respect the views of the Chinese government and most Chinese, but it is important that their views are at least represented.David Straub (talk) 02:37, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I agree that it looks better, and I appreciate your taking the effort to find that material (and to press me to get it cleaned up!). Best, rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 02:44, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

July 2009 Ürümqi riots (Vmenkov)

Thanks for the invitation to comment on that article, but, after reading it, I don't think I can suggest any meaningful improvement or offer any meaningful criticism.

Well, OK, there is this one sentence, with a reference to a paper by Dru Gladney: "China's minority policy treats Uyghurs as a 'national minority' rather than an indigenous group." I am sure Dr. Gladney's paper (which I did not look at) probably explains what is meant by these words - he is a major writer on these issues, after all. But to a casual reader this statement sounds rather cryptic. I think that to an average person an "indigenous group" simply is an "ethnic minority" that is officially recognized as having a long-term association with a certain geographic area, and is officially granted certain special rights on account of that association. One would think that the (official) status of the Weiwu'er minzu in PRC -- with the XUAR on the maps, a 维吾尔民族简史 publsihed, an official bilingualism of sorts, and the policy of appointing members of the "titular nationality" to the (possibly figurehead) leadership positions in the region -- makes them just as "officially indigenous" to the region as the Nisga'a are to the Nass River Valley or the Buryats to Buryatia. So if I were to write this, I would perhaps try to explain what Gladney's dichotomy means.

Thinking of it, the preceding sentence "Uyghurs believe their ancestors were indigenous to the area, whereas government policy considers present-day Xinjiang to have belonged to China since the Han Dynasty", with its "whereas", implies a contradiction of the two point of views, even if it does not explicitly say that there is one. I certainly can imagine some kind of 维吾尔民族简史 talking about 我国维吾尔民族 happily living in the area in 100 BC (or wherever), in such-and-such commandery of the Western Han Dynasty empire...

Please feel free to ignore these comments, or to move them to an appropriate talk page elsewhere.

On an unrelated issue: could you insert proper Uyghur letters into Musa Sayrami, Yaqub Beg, Afaq Khoja, and Muzat River, sometimes when/if you have a chance? Official bilingualism or not, my Atlas of Xinjiang certainly does not have any 少数民族文字 in it! Vmenkov (talk) 12:05, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

That's a good point, it is a very complex paper, and I've kind of taken the sentence out of context (I was trying to avoid giving Gladney too much weight by going into a ton of detail on it). I'll try to see if I can explain it better—it's always tough to strike a balance between brevity and clarify!

By the way, I've had a go at the Uyghur names. Some require a bit of guesswork, since Romanizations of Uyghur are not consistent throughout history (for example, the "a" in "Muzat River" could be either ئا or ئە, which in ULY are written a and e respectively but have often just both been written a). The only one I couldn't figure out just yet is Musa Sayrami (it could just be that the macrons are confusing me, but also it's a pretty old name), so I might have to ask a friend for help with that one. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 17:28, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for Syrami and others! I was surprised to see that for Muza(r)t there are two spellings - with and without an r - in Uyghur as well; I thought it was an artefact of careless transcriptions. And there is even an interwiki, ug:مۇزات دەرياسى - of course, to a perfectly empty page! Vmenkov (talk) 01:16, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Hm, you are probably right then. I pretty much just guessed Uyghur names based on the Latin transcriptions and on the Chinese, which often (but not always) are derived from the Uyghur in a more or less systematic way. I hadn't even noticed the interwiki. But now that you've pointed that out, I corrected the Muzat transcription to match what's in the interwiki, which is more reliable. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 01:58, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Does this help clarify the Gladney quote? rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 00:03, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks; I guess it makes a bit more sense now: it implies to the reader that (according to Gladney, at least) recognizing an ethnic group as an "indigenous" one would require the transfer of land ownership /land control to a governing body specifically representing that ethnic group (and not just linguistic/cultural autonomy, availability of bilingual education, affirmative action, etc within the ethnic group's traditional territory). In other words, no Nisga'a Treaty, or even Gwaii Haanas National Park for the Uyghurs. (One can wonder how common this kind of recognition is world-wide, outside of the US and Canadian Indian bands that have appropriate treaties with their respective federal governments. E.g. Basques are certainly "indigenous" to the Basque Country, and the region has a high degree of autonomy, with its government actively promoting the Basque language and culture. But I am pretty sure that any Spanish citizen residing in the region, regardless of ethnicity, has equal right to purchase land, or to vote for / be elected to local governments controlling the land use... But in any event, such a discussion would be a topic for the Indigenous peoples article, and not for the article in question). Vmenkov (talk) 02:42, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

FAC-thought (Urumqi-riots)

I'm thinking... just in case the FAC goes through... We're gonna have to find a picture that's suitable for the front-page... I don't think any of the ones we have right now are good for that... (unless you want the damn map, but that'd be kinda cheesy...) Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 03:41, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Hm... I bet we could grab a screenshot from Ccyber's video? rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 04:18, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Well... there is this: File:WLMQ Cellphone screenshots 2v1.jpg. Or was that deemed too extreme or inappropriate for some reason? Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 04:28, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't think it's inappropriate; mainly we just removed it when the video became available, since the video is the better option. (I don't know if they've ever used video for the TFA image, though.) All in all, I think something from that video is the only thing in the article that would really work. For example, the picture of the APCs in September looks good and rioty, but it's not from the actual riots (and we wouldn't want to be accused of making the same sort of flubs that people made in July showing pictures of the wrong riots), plus I think there would be an anti-China POV issue with showing a picture of the crackdown and not showing a picture of the riots. The picture of Kadeer, of course, is a no go since she's just the scapegoat (I'm sure the PRC government would be overjoyed, though, if we put that picture on the front page with the riots article :P). And yeah, other than that all that's really left is the map, and as you say it would be a bit cheesy...plus I think Raul doesn't like using flags and maps.

I think the screenshots already uploaded are a bit small, since it's really four crammed into one. But we could probably hold a brief discussion on what part of the video we want to take, and then have a tech-y person get a higher-resolution screenshot of that. (I don't think we need to worry about taking care of that, though, until the FAC is over :) ) rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 04:35, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

True. Just putting this into one more brain before it escapes mine :P Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 05:21, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Pick a frame, and I'll get you a high-res image. Just give me the time in milliseconds. :) -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 05:23, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Report on Laogai Enterprises

Hi Rjanag, How can this be used for Wikipedia? Kind regards, Sarcelles (talk) 16:54, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Chigurh's condition

You make a good point about using clinical terms. However, it seems like some characterization is in order. 'Sociopathic' has a meaning outside of a professional or clinical context and it's good English to use the word in that way. As a native speaker myself, Chigurh's lack of conscience seems to open the possibility of describing him that way accurately. (I wouldn't base anything on the book either way.) Perhaps it would be useful to propose an alternative. Sometimes the facts don't speak for themselves so we use summaries / characterizations. Thanks. --Ring Cinema (talk) 17:14, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

It's been a while since I saw the film (and I've never read the book), but I imagine there must be some scene, such as the one where Tommy Lee Jones is explaining who Chigurh is, where some character makes some kind of statement about him. If that could be dug up, it could be used in the article and attributed to that character rather than to us (e.g., "Chigurh is described as a 'sociopath' by the sheriff"). rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 23:54, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

That would be nice but it seems that a summary is allowed. We don't have a problem saying many summary things about him (he's a man, a murderer, relentless, an embodiment of evil, etc.). I'm wondering if the line you're drawing isn't a bit artificial. 'Sociopathic' is a word in English that we should feel free to use correctly like any other. In fact, think of it this way: is there any evidence that he's not sociopathic? --Ring Cinema (talk) 00:01, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Kunyu Wanguo Quantu#Sea of Japan naming dispute

Do you consider this section to be even relevant to the main topic? I interpret this as someone trying to spread the heated dispute argument onto another article. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 00:24, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

fyi

Back in July 2009 you moved Uyghur captives in Guantanamo to Uyghur detainees in Guantanamo. You didn't initiate a discussion of this move prior to the move. Your only explanation for your move was in your edit summary, where you asserted the previous title lapsed from WP:NPOV. I assume this was a good faith mistake, but, as I tried to explain at the requested moves page, it is actually the use of the term "detainee" that lapses from WP:NPOV. Geo Swan (talk) 15:04, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

I disagree with your rationale, and therefore the request seems to have been declined. You are welcome to paste the discussion into the article talk page and continue discussion there. (never mind, Anthony Appleyard has done that.) rʨanaɢ (talk) 15:27, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

• You asked: "As a side note, if the current naming is so horrible, I'm confused as to why it took you 8 months to bring it up. It's not as if you've been on a Wikibreak that whole time." You have tens of thousands of edits under your belt, and have started dozen of articles. I am prolific too. I have over twice as many edits under my belt, I have edited tens of thousands of articles, and had started close to two thousand articles. When I had edited fewer articles my watchlist remained a useful tool for noticing things like controversial name changes. But, my watchlist now has over ten thousand articles on it, and it takes longer to check my watchlist than I can devote to the wikipedia.

• You told those participating in the discussion over restoring the name Uyghur captives in Guantanamo that I had abandoned the discussion -- a frankly maddening suggestion. I saw your comment that told me it was my responsibility to relist the suggestion. I showed you the courtesy of leaving you a heads-up when I listed the renaming on the uncontroversial requests section, and I am going to assume it simply didn't occur to you to show me the same courtesy as I showed you, and give me a heads-up.

• While immediately above you simply say you disagree with me, in the actual discussion you repeatedly assert I am "pushing a POV". Can we agree to reserve this phrase for genuine vandals and indisputable bad-faith contributors, and not use it for other good-faith contributors? Geo Swan (talk) 00:32, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

• In response to your second point: I gave you a heads-up. It's not my fault you ignored my comment for over 2 days after that.
• In response to your second comment: no, POV is not the same as vandalism, and editors who are not vandalism can still push POV. That doesn't mean they're acting in bad faith.. rʨanaɢ (talk) 03:53, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

1. Please check again. Your talkback directed me to this comment that told me it was my responsibility to reopen the discussion in the disputed section.
2. I don't know anyone who would say that holding a point of view makes one a vandal. I would certainly never say that. Good faith contributors innocently insert bias into article space, without realizing it, all the time. Bad faith contributors know they hold a biased POV, don't care that inserting their personal point of view is against policy, and knowingly try to insert that biased point of view into article space, through subterfuge, or heedless, bull-headed, dogged persistence, or through sockpuppetry. Please spend thirty second looking at a search of Pushing a POV in the wikipedia name space. Every place where the phrase is used that I looked at it was used to describe some form of vandalism and bad faith. I am sure you will find the same thing. Geo Swan (talk) 07:21, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Rjanag. You have new messages at Wikipedia talk:Did you know.
Message added 02:27, 22 March 2010 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

NativeForeigner ^Talk/_Contribs/^Vote! 02:27, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

No

see talk page for South Korea Kingj123 (talk) 04:24, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

see what I put on talk page. I have already read the discussion in the past, actually if you have read it at all I was the participant of the discussion. Thanks. --Kingj123 (talk) 04:39, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Actually, READ THE ARCHIVE, the new post I have just made is for new people like you.--Kingj123 (talk) 04:43, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

well I feel the same. --Kingj123 (talk) 04:46, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Part of editing for an encyclopedia is reducing extraordinary claims to ordinary fact

I assume that this is meant in a derogatory fashion? --194.81.33.9 (talk) 13:12, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

You'd have to ask the person who said it. rʨanaɢ (talk) 13:53, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Perverted Criminal

I seem to recall that you can read Japanese. Any chance you could review the "Perverted Criminal" nom at DYK suggestions? Gatoclass (talk) 19:30, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Actually it's Chinese that I read :) but I can decipher enough of the Japanese to verify that this Japanese source verifies the hook fact. What I can't do, though, is tell if it's a reliable source or not (or even what kind of source it is at all); I think I'll need to find a fluent Japanese reader for that. rʨanaɢ (talk) 19:43, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Hangul

I'm really sorry about that. I installed a package in my vector.js that doesn't work well with Chrome (my browser) and I think that's what prompted that error. I've never seen that happen before.UBER ^(talk) 06:16, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

south korea map

see talk page--Kingj123 (talk) 13:30, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Scout Motto

Thanks for your cleanup! I've worked hard for years to make this article better, your edit was spot on, something I had not thought of and am surprised I didn't. --Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 02:46, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Question

Since I might be biased here, I'm seeking your input: look at the edit history if White South African and tell me whether or not words like "spurious" are NPOV. I just gave a 3RR to [1] to Rgherbert (talk · contribs), but don't want to revert again. thanks. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 06:19, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Shanghai

You should honestly just delete it. It seems that ZHU Yeyi is using multiple accounts to try to sway the discussion at this point and the French Wikipedia user Yug has no idea what he is talking about.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 19:40, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I've been thinking of doing that too...plus it seems that no one is interested in talking about the actual issue, people are just saying "delete it, it's in your userspace!" rʨanaɢ (talk) 21:38, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Dear friend:

How to complain? 如何投诉？Comment porter plainte?

M. Ryulong systematically attacked me.

Today, he even thinks that an IP China IP and Europe are my two Sockpuppets. Thank you. --ZHU Yeyi (talk) 19:10, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

请教您，怎样投诉。投诉人身攻击 personal attack。 How to complain? Please. 如何投诉？Comment porter plainte? 谢谢。 --ZHU Yeyi (talk) 18:13, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

WP:Wikiquette alerts. 可是你一定要提供一些diffs，而且小心不要写得太多，要不然别人不理。 rʨanaɢ (talk) 21:24, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

message

I've sent you an email. regards, -- Quiddity (talk) 19:10, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Appreciate the feedback

I feel responsible for bringing the invalidity of the sentence element page to your attention. It needs to go somewhere besides null or an unattainable place on someone's hard drive. I've been making amateur steps at citing sources in an attempt of saving that page. Please bear with me. I've been using other Wikipedia pages as source citing examples. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.40.202.134 (talk) 16:29, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

You are so great

You are a great guy! Thanks for being so excellent. Kingj123 (talk) 02:51, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

... uhm ok. See talk page.--Kingj123 (talk) 02:51, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Re happy birthday

I know it's a little late but thanks for your happy birthday message on my talk page. It was really nice of you. --Patrice58 (talk) 13:18, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Template:zh

How do I enter Hong Kong Government Cantonese Romanisation?? Hoising (talk) 12:36, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Because it does not appear to be widely used on Wikipedia, it is not currently supported in {{zh}}. You can enter it using {{zh-full}} instead. It would look something like this:

{{zh-full
 | {{zh-chinese|你好}}
 | {{zh-hkgov|<romanization here>}}
}}

rʨanaɢ (talk) 15:10, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Edit request at Talk:Game

Why did you delete this person's edit request? Celestra (talk) 21:26, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Was a rollback accident. rʨanaɢ (talk) 21:27, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Too bad. It's a tough edit request and I was hoping it had gone away for a reason. :) Celestra (talk) 21:34, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Blank lines at DYK template

What is the reason? As far as I can see, their only function is to clutter up the suggestions page. Ucucha 00:44, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

I thought it was still on my talk page, but it looks like the discussion of this is now at User talk:Rjanag/Archive8#Suggested NewDYKnom tweak. Basically, Gatoclass suggested that it might help keep people from putting comments below the {{-}}, which creates a bunch of unnecessary whitespace and lengthens the page. rʨanaɢ (talk) 00:52, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

So you create unnecessary whitespace and lengthen the page to prevent people from creating unnecessary whitespace and lengthening the page? :-) I just went through T:TDYK and it seems that this is working as intended, as there is no longer anyone writing below the {{-}}s. Good idea. It might be better to have the new lines appear only when there is in fact a {{-}}, though. Ucucha 01:00, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Good idea. I think that is what I had wanted to do but it looks like it didn't work like I had wanted. It should have it fixed by now; here is a test run and it seems to be only leaving the whitespace when the image is included. rʨanaɢ (talk) 01:44, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Looks good, thanks. Ucucha 01:45, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Lang

Hi. Regarding Talk:Linguistics: That article has been semi-protected for almost a year (May 2009). Perhaps we could try unprotecting it? Unless Supriyya is still being a problem elsewhere...

Regarding notdict, the discussion isn't going well. I'll try my hardest to ignore it until next week, unless you advise otherwise...

Thanks again. -- Quiddity (talk) 22:50, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Ping. Any thoughts? -- Quiddity (talk) 21:04, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

East Asian languages#Syntax

I have added a Vietnamese entry to match the other three examples given, but I have no idea on how to explain which variant characters are used, and how many have limited Unicode support. There are obviously characters that are more preferable to others, but most would be unable to have them displayed correctly. Do you have any idea on how I can get around this? My meddling can be found at User:Benlisquare/Sandbox2#Viet if you are interested. Cheers, -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 05:10, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Viral Video

Hello-

I've edited most of the viral video page now. I was working on it this morning when I realized that there are two glaring issues that need to be addressed. One is the "History" section. In it there are two consecutive paragraphs that repeat the same information, mainly about the "Dancing Baby" video. The third sentence of the second paragraph also contains the same info, namely that early viral videos were spread by email, since YouTube etc didn't yet exist. The only new info in the second paragraph refers to "Tunak Tunak Tun" and "All your base are belong to us" - two sentences.

There's also another problem, which is that there are ten (10) examples of viral videos in the lead. It's way too much for a lead. There are more examples of viral videos in the lead than in the whole article. It not only weighs the lead down with too much information but doesn't read well.

This is my suggestion. Since the lead has several examples of early viral videos, why not not pare it down to three or four good examples of viral vids (both early and later ones), and use the rest to fill out the "early history" section? It seems like the perfect answer to both problems. The excess info in the lead is exactly what the early history section needs.

Also, some of the info from the first paragraph of the history should be re-worked into the "early history" section. Why not make the first paragraph more of a brief, historical overview and save the information regarding early videos for the early history section?

I was going to do this edit but it's quite extensive, and I would need your help. I don't know enough about the videos mentioned in the lead to judge which should be moved into the early history section and which should remain where they are. I think you'd be better at judging that, since you have a better working knowledge of the subject.

I think what I'm going to do is start by integrating the two paragraphs in the history. I may have to temporarily delete the "early history" subcategory, because there will only be two sentences left once the redundant info is deleted, but I can re-create it as soon as you let me know which ones you think should be used in the early history. I'm going to copy them out and can re-insert them when I have the rest of the information that I need.

Please let me know what you think about all of this. :)

Best-

Viralvidkid (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:57, 11 April 2010 (UTC).

That all sounds good to me. To be honest, I don't know a lot about the topic, I just stumbled across the page one day and, like you, noticed that it needs a lot of cleanup. Mostly, though, I just watch it and revert people who try to add links to their own youtube videos and stuff; I haven't done much substantive editing to the page. It used to have a lengthy list of videos that it called "notable" but which was mostly just personal opinion, didn't have any sources; that list has since been moved to the article and to Talk:Viral_video#Notable_videos_section (User:Politizer is my old username).

As for trimming examples from the first paragraph, I would suggest trying to dig up some reliable sources that discuss the viral video phenomenon in an academic way, and limit the examples to videos that these sources discuss. Once upon a time that paragraph probably was just 3 or 4 examples, but the problem is people show up wanting to add some video that they like, so the list has bloated over the years. rʨanaɢ (talk) 00:57, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

July 2009 Ürümqi riots: Foreign-Based Uyghur Extremists

I think you are being unreasonable in deleting what I have written, when it is obviously relevant and well-referenced. You are engaging in edit wars. No me, since I have re-written substantially. You delete without giving good reasons. You can edit to improve it if you wish.

Yewhock (talk) 05:55, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Dude, the article-talkpage. You might still have a chance to talk your way out of this. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 05:56, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

You are being unreasonable in ignoring the obvious discussion, insisting in edit-warring without reading other editors' messages, insisting on believing that totally irrelevant stuff should have a large section in the article, insisting on inserting borderline copyvio, and in general having absolutely no understanding of what this article is about. Sorry, but you lack the social and intellectual competence to be a constructive contributor to this project. rʨanaɢ (talk) 05:58, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Qinghai Earthquake

May I ask you to check some of the Tibetan romanizations at 2010 Yushu earthquake? Some of them are awkwardly written in pinyin... Colipon+(Talk) 15:09, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Whining

Jungle music: the d00d who posted on my talk page gave me permission to delete the spam links, because they're spam and commercial. Tempmusic (talk) 16:34, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Stop deleting my edits without a friking reason or you will be reported to administrators Tempmusic (talk) 16:35, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

I gave "friking reasons", perhaps you should read them. rʨanaɢ (talk) 20:25, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Urumqi riots

It's infuriating, this linkrot. The lack of archiving by those archiving sites we use, also. If we kept copies of the articles on our hard disk, at least we can still refer to them although they will no longer be available publicly. Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 00:58, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

That's what I've been thinking too. The "Missing Link" article I was able to find (half of) cached on Google, and saved it while I still could...that article in particular is cited a lot so I figured it would be good to keep. One of the other dead ones I couldn't find on Google. I've tried to archive some of the pages using webcite, but I'm not sure if they all worked (one worked when I tried it out, another sat around loading for hours and never did open); webcite would be better than just saving them to the hard drive, since then readers can get it too, but I'm not sure how reliable it is. rʨanaɢ (talk) 01:26, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

I think webcite is good enough, if the coverage is there. Anyway, it's better than nothing, and I'm thankful its around. I've seen it used extensively in some articles, such as Question Time British National Party controversy. Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 04:02, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Inappropriate conduct

I don't know who you are, but your edit at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (icons) is an outright fabrication that is a direct attack on my reputation and appears to have been deliberately done to discredit me. I request that you remove this and show the good manners to apologize. Handicapper (talk) 21:07, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

A fabrication of what? rʨanaɢ (talk) 21:32, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Audio samples

Hi Rjanag, I currently have an article on a Sparks album at FAC. Reflecting on the nomination, it's occurred to me that the article doesn't have an audio sample yet. Could you tell me how I go about creating one? Also, if you'd like to review the article, the FAC page is at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/The Seduction of Ingmar Bergman/archive1. Cheers, --JN466 10:44, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi Jayen,

Do you have Audacity? If not, you can download it for free (audacity.sourceforge.net/) and use it to open an audio file and chop out a small piece of it. From there, you just save that piece as a .ogg file (I believe there's some trick you need to do to make that option appear in the File menu of Audacity...don't remember exactly what it was, but should be in Audacity's Help files).

For an example of what the NFUR and everything would look like, you can check out the audio file used at Nothing to My Name.

Best, rʨanaɢ (talk) 11:11, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Rjanag, that's great. I'll get onto that. :) --JN466 12:29, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

I got it to work; thanks again. --JN466 15:33, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Eva Peron article

Just a quick note to say thank you for keeping an eye on the Eva Peron article and keeping out the nonsense people put in there. I had suggested we lock the article because the vandalism of that article is often offensively sexually explicit. Andrew Olivo Parodi (talk) 20:38, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Silly

It would be great if you could comment here if it is still open for comment. Thanks! Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 18:21, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Violence against LGBT

Hey, trying to avoid an edit war here, let's figure this out.  :)

I agree that the suicide isn't what makes it violence. Bullying is considered violence even if the bullying isn't physical. To quote from the Wikipedia article on violence... "Violence is the expression of physical or verbal force against self or other" I believe that the inclusion of the child is therefore correct. I do think that this is a somewhat less clearcut case than the other reasoning, though. Any thoughts on this? Thanks.  :) --Joe Decker (talk) 16:03, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Ok. It looks like we just have different ideas of what constitutes "violence". I'll leave it be. rʨanaɢ (talk) 14:40, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

In your last revert, you wrote, "rv: the point is, HHG redirects here, so someone typing that while looking for High Harmonic Generation might end up here instead". I agree with what you wrote but, unfortunately, that is not what the {{dablink}} text says. It actually says:

This article is about the franchise. Several terms redirect here; see The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (disambiguation), Hitchhiker's Guide (disambiguation) and High Harmonic Generation.

And High Harmonic Generation does not redirect here. In fact, none of the three pages listed redirects here. So what the {{dablink}} text says is wrong, and so misleading. You did not like my solution to this problem; do you have a solution? (Please respond here or on the article's Talk page.) HairyWombat (talk) 01:43, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

The dablink doesn't say that those terms redirect here. (If it did, there would be no point linking them.) What it says is, essentially, "several terms redirect here; these other things might be what you were actually looking for when you got redirected here." rʨanaɢ (talk) 14:42, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Good suggestion; I have incorporated it into the article. (If I was confused then others also would have been.) HairyWombat (talk) 22:44, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Leehom Wang

hi,

i'm trying to change the profile pic of leehom wang as the current one is way outdated. I have a pic that was taken by ourhome china and posted on their website. How do i upload it?

I have already explained this to you multiple times at your talkpage and at Talk:Leehom Wang. rʨanaɢ (talk) 03:07, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi

Hi,

My name is Prashant Jain. I am a new member to Wikipedia. I am a great sport lover and wish to share my part of information on Wikipedia. I have provided some information with one external link, but it seems like due to some mistake, my link has been deleted. With reference to "My Contribution" i came to know that you have removed my link.

I read and tried to follow all the link policy guidelines provided by Wikipedia, but wondering why my link has been removed, would be great if you can guide me on the same.

Looking forward for your guidance and advice on link policy.

Best Regards,

Prahsant Jain

Um, no, you didn't provide an external link, what you provided was some poorly written mumbo-jumbo about how badminton is "the most popular sport in the world". Please see Wikipedia's guideline on neutral point of view, and review guidelines about good writing (such as WP:PEACOCK). rʨanaɢ (talk) 13:21, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi

Hi,

Thanks for your valuable suggestion, i will read the guidelines suggested by you and will write content accordingly.

Best Regards,

Prashant Jain

WP:REX

Thanks for your help a few days Rjanag; unfortunately, the provider of the email address I used is having some technical difficulties and I have no idea how long it's going to take before I can access those emails again (2 hours? 2 days?). I have now changed my email address here on WP to a more reliable and up-to-date address anyway; it's my username (including the numbers) at gmail.com. If it's easy, would you mind posting them over again? If it's not, don't worry, I'll wait it out, but I thought I might as well ask. Thanks, - Jarry1250 ^{[Humorous? Discuss.]} 16:22, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

He Kexin

sorry for the reverts, I just want the lead to be neutral and let the readers make their own decision. This seems like my own OR, so I want to tread carefully.

It seems as if one organisation has been forced to accept the documents provided (passport etc) but there is overwhelming evidence (removed files online etc) that something dodgy is going on behind the scenes. I think either both points need to be in the lead, or none.

Not everyone has accepted the Chinese side of things, there are still a lot of reliable sources who believe she was 14 not 16 and enough evidence to support their claims.

[2] [3] [4]

I don't want to start an investigation into this, or change the article into a witch hunt, but the lead should either reflect that the controversy is not over, or at least it should not lead people to believe that she has been proven without any doubt to be 16.

what do you think? カンチョーSennen Goroshi ! (talk) 10:58, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Pardon

Regarding [5]: nerdiness deserves praise, not pardon! Actually that quote is what I thought of when I read his question, too. — Knowledge Seeker দ 17:47, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Law of Malta

Fair enough. Zweifel (talk) 22:02, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Was Abdul Haq (ETIM) the same as Abdul Haq (Uyghur camp leader)?

You asked User Iqinn whether Abdul Haq (ETIM) was the same as Abdul Haq (Uyghur camp leader).

Thomas Joscelyn has asserted that Abdul Haq (ETIM) was the same individual who lead the Uyghur camp, and that he was the manager of a Uyghur guest house. To the best of my knowledge, all claims that the two individuals are the same can be traced to Joscelyen.

I've wondered whether we should regard Josceleyn as a WP:RS. He is not, to the best of my knowledge, a professional commentator. He is not, to the best of my knowledge, an academic who has studied politics, or military matters, or intelligence, or the law. He is not, to the best of my knowledge, someone who was a respected columnist or journalist, prior to starting to blog on the GWOT. He is not, to the best of my knowledge, a former intelligence officer.

It seems to me that he is just some guy who has taken the time to read the same documents I have. On a personal level I don't consider his conclusions any more reliable than I regard my own. Frankly, if I was a blogger I would blog in an intellectually honest manner. I'd never simply leave off from informing my readers of exculpatory information. Joscelyn does this all this time. His claim that the two Abdul Haq(s) are one individual being a case in point. While he informs his readers that some of Uyghurs reported their camp leader was named Abdul Haq he neglects to inform them that the Ugyhurs say he was killed during the American aerial bombardment, back in 2001.

On the other hand, some legitimate journalists do cite him in their articles. And he has been invited to testify before at least one US Congressional committee.

Abdul Haq is clearly a very common name. On a personal level I suspect that the several hundred, or several thousance, Uyghur exiles in the region probably included many individuals known as Abdul Haq.

Intelligence analysts have described the ETIM as a well-organized and dangerous militant group. If Abdul Haq (Uyghur camp leader) was really the 2nd in command of the ETIM, then it is hard to understand how the ETIM could have been as dangerous as intelligence analysts feared. How dangerous could the group have been if the ETIM's 2nd in command, and those he was leading, were armed with just a single AK-47?

So should Abdul Haq (ETIM) say he also lead the Uyghur camp in Nangarhar? IMO it should certainly not assert this as a fact. It should not assert this as a claim of US intelligence analysts. I have no objection to the Abdul Haq (ETIM) article stating that Thomas Joscelyn asserts he also lead the Nangarhar camp.

If this assertion is included, attributed to Josceylen, should it note that he was reported KIA in 2009, while the Nangarhar camp leader was reported KIA in 2001? I dunno. Geo Swan (talk) 23:05, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Robert Krentz

I suggested some alternative hooks for the Robert Krentz DYK nomination. Would love it if you'd take another look. :-) Thanks! —Rnickel (talk) 18:16, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Template:Vowels with audio

Thanks for the fixes. I saw the error with the link to .ogg, and found you fixed that too. -Stevertigo (w | t | e) 04:01, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

IPA article

I agree with the first revert, as I did not pay attention to what code came through subclusion. I filed a bug recently, https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23388 regarding hatnote issues.

I agree with the second revert, though I will point out that the section does need expanding. Please see also recent discussion on wikien about IPA, in particular, comments negative toward IPA and, by default, in support of that Wikipedia:Pronunciation respelling key. PS: The issue with phonology vs. pronunciation is one of excess information, which is why I think there is resistance to IPA per se. -Stevertigo (w | t | e) 04:34, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

The Arena (MMA) Page Most Definitely Not Spam

Rjanag,

Please explain in detail why you think this page is spam. You recently deleted it saying it was blatant advertising. You are incorrect in this assumption. The page accurately describes a noteworthy gym in one of the fastest growing sports in the world. If this page is spam, then every other page describing all the other noteworthy mixed martial arts facilities described in Wikipedia should be described as spam as well and also deleted.

If you have suggestions for improvement, then kindly provide them on a page that is completely factual. Otherwise, please do not try to re-delete the page or I will think you have some personal bias against the gym specifically. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mmasource (talk • contribs) 08:56, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Please actually read the links that have been given to you. The reason I nominated the page was because you provided no third-party sources to explain why the gym meets Wikipedia's notability requirements. rʨanaɢ (talk) 14:51, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Last edit of The Dark Knight (film)

Why did you undo my edit of The Dark Knight (film)? Your edit made the page say, "The Dark Knight is a 2008 superhero directed and co-written by Christopher Nolan." I changed it to say that it is a "2008 superhero film directed and co-written by Christopher Nolan." The movie is a "superhero film," not a "superhero.".-5- (talk) 18:24, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Apologies, it looks like I misread the diff. rʨanaɢ (talk) 20:22, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

I Have Provided 3rd Party Sources that Meet Notability Requirements

Rjanag,

Not sure if you actually read through the updates I recently included in the page you just reverted, but there are 2 additional citations from Sherdog, the largest MMA news site in the world, and an actual newspaper article that came out last night regarding one of the fighters/trainers at The Arena. Additionally, I have included links from both Sherdog.com and Mixedmartialarts.com that list The Arena as an official team site, which is hard to do unless you are one. So kindly stop getting into an edit war and claiming there aren't 3rd party verification when there are right on the page.

Additionally, since you are the one who deleted The Arena MMA page in the first place, please read the following I wrote to another Wikipedia user who got involved in this whole deletion situation. I think if you actually take the time you read my response, as well as visit all the links I have provided in this repsonse, you will realize you are in error in attempting to delete this page. Thanks.

Benlisquare,

I apologize in advance if I am not following all protocols with your Talk page, but I am relatively new to Wikipedia and am not completely familiar with certain things like how to best communicate on the Talk pages and the different users who contribute to them. Since you clearly are an expert in this area, please help me correct whatever issues I need to do in the future.

As far as your concerns/comments, as well as those of others, I am a bit surprised. I created the page on The Arena because I am an avid follower of MMA and The Arena is one of the fastest growing MMA teams in the country and deserves inclusion in Wikipedia on these merits. Particularly given the fact that many of the MMA teams listed in Wikipedia are no longer as notable as The Arena is because the sport is so dynamic and much of the information regarding these teams and their fighters is non-current. Also, my interest in The Arena and its fighters qualifies me as a supporter of the gym/team, not as a conflict of interest.

As far as how I set up the page and what I included, I attempted to follow the format used for the other MMA team pages included in Wikipedia so The Arena MMA page would best fit in. So, if The Arena MMA page is promotional, then I imagine the other MMA team pages should be included in that category as well.

As far as verification of The Arena and its athletes...

1. The team is young and most newspapers do not cover much of MMA. In fact, I honestly do not think newspapers qualify as a reliable source for MMA info as much is reformatted from other sources. However, having said that, you can find recent mention of The Arena and its team members like Olympic Silver Medalist Stephen Abas at the following locations.

http://www.fresnobee.com/2010/04/07/1887820/ex-dog-abas-sets-mma-dates-at.html

http://www.visaliatimesdelta.com/article/20100506/SPORTS/5060314/Olympic-silver-medalist-Stephen-Abas-successful-in-mixed-martial-arts-debut

Additionally, I have included several other online mentions of The Arena from sites that are more relevant to MMA such as:

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=news.detail&gid=228200

http://www.mmamania.com/2010/4/2/1402864/2004-olympic-silver-medalist

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Olympic-Silver-Medalist-Abas-Signs-with-Tachi-Palace-Fights-23624

http://www.doseofmma.com/3700/rani-yahya-constrictor-bjj-hl/

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/12-Questions-for-Cris-Cyborg-Santos-22251

2. There are also numerous videos available online of various fighters representing The Arena during their fights, notably Diego Sanchez (who has The Arena logo on his shorts, shirt, and banner) during his most recent fight against BJ Penn on 12/12/2009, as well as Cris "Cyborg" Santos during her last Strikeforce title defense against Marloes Coenen on 1/30/2010. These fights can be found online. Additionally, the UFC Countdown Video Segment for Diego Sanchez that was aired nationally on Spike TV prior to the fight was conducted at The Arena and clearly showed The Arena in the segment.

3. There are also other videos available on The Arena's website itself, as well as YouTube, from third parties such as Bad Boy Brands that show fighters such as Demian Maia (UFC) and Diego Sanchez (UFC) training at The Arena. These videos can be found here at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHEXvWGfnYA&NR=1 and: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy1VNA7YLWQ and: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx3IXyqXiLI

Additionally, there are videos actually produced by The Arena that clearly show Fabricio Camoes (UFC), Rodrigo Nogueira (UFC), Rani Yahya (WEC), Royler Gracie (4x BJJ world champ), Joe Duarte (Bellator), etc. training at The Arena. These videos are located at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xrUSGWN0BA and: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_lI8tccuxw

4. Finally, both mixedmartialarts.com (the official resource for all MMA fighter records) and sherdog.com (the largest, most recognized, and one of the oldest MMA sites in existence) has The Arena listed as an offical team. You can find the links here at:

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=home.link and:

http://www.sherdog.com/links

These two sites are tightly controlled and will not allow links to team sites that are not official and recognizable.

Given all this evidence that you can judge for yourself if you take the time to visit all the sites I have provided, particularly the online video locations (seeing is believing), I cannot understand how anyone could not regard The Arena MMA page as legitimate, as well as the actual gym itself.

I don't know how much the Wikipedia members who commented on the legitimacy of The Arena MMA page actually know about the sport of MMA, but there is absolutely no way these types of MMA athletes would be involved with The Arena if it was not 100% legitimate and deserving of recognition. Even independent Yelp reviewers mention this fact (see here at: http://www.yelp.com/biz/the-arena-mma-san-diego

Please let me know how to best improve the page if it actually needs to be improved given all the documentation I have just provided. Additionally, please share this information with the other Wikipedia members who made comments on the Talk Page as I am unsure how to communicate with everyone simulataneously.

Thank You,

mmasource

Mmasource (talk) 07:35, 7 May 2010 (UTC)