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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:59, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Freddie Weinke (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD • AfD statistics)
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Questionable notability, article was created by User:Fjwinks, who is likely the subject of this article. Jweiss11 (talk) 07:00, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Subject fails WP:ATH and more specifically WP:NSPORTS for American/Canadian football players, as he has never competed in a major professional league. I tried to find independent information to verify the claims in the article, but other than two af2 press releases[1][2], I was unsuccessful. Movementarian (Talk) 08:26, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - Non-notable professional and college career. Being the cousin of Chris Weinke does not justify notability either. Eagles 24/7 (C) 14:23, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - Echo the above two. --Riotrocket8676 You gotta problem with that? 14:26, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Assistant coaches are normally not notable per WP:CFBCOACH (essay, not policy), and there does not appear to be any other assertion to notability outside of the non-notable lower-level professional football play.--Paul McDonald (talk) 15:17, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 01:00, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Don't think Chris Hawkins (coach) meets notability guidelines. He's a high school coach and media coverage on him seems to be only local. Coaching one player who later made it to the NFL, Charlie Frye, isn't enough to establish notability alone. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:06, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete high school coaches are normally not considered notable. Espeically those who don't have any sources in their articles...--Paul McDonald (talk) 03:21, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Fails WP:BIO. Movementarian (Talk) 08:17, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete fails GNG and ATHLETE -Drdisque (talk) 17:51, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. NW (Talk) 14:34, 5 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Shannon Dawson (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD • AfD statistics)
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Not sure if Shannon Dawson meets notability requirements. Also, the article as it stands is in very bad shape. It is poorly formatted, not properly categorized, lacks any citations, and much of its content seems to have been copied and pasted from http://sfajacks.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/dawson_shannon00.html or similar web page. Jweiss11 (talk) 02:40, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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- Note - I have removed the copyrighted text from the article. Eagles 24/7 (C) 03:02, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete assistant coaches at the college level are normally not considered notable. The subject can reach notability through other means, but I don't see any assertion other than assistant coaching.--Paul McDonald (talk) 03:18, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Agree on all points with Paul McDonald. Obamafan70 (talk) 04:03, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Fails WP:GNG as well as WP:ATHLETE for both a coach and player (he played for Division II Wingate University and did not play professionally). -Drdisque (talk) 17:50, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 11:55, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - Subject does not pass WP:ATHLETE as a coach or college player, and I can't find significant coverage in reliable sources that would indicate notability per WP:BIO. P. D. Cook Talk to me! 12:13, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Shimeru 08:02, 26 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Manfred Hamilton (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD • AfD statistics)
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Wikipedia is not a memorial site, but that's what this article feels like, even after continued cleanup. The subject's claim to fame is winning a "Mr. Universe" title in the over 60 category in 2004. However, it does not appear to be a notable competition, as neither WFF Universe nor GMV Bodybuilding has an article. The only source that corroborates the title is the sponsor's website. Not even the illustrations can be relied upon, as they're created by a member of the subject's family. Finally, speaking of member of the subject's family, Jizzom (talk · contribs) (note: user is requesting a username change to grumet_kaz (talk · contribs)) admitted to being the subject's son, so there is a severe conflict of interest on the part of the main contributor. —C.Fred (talk) 02:55, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Im not sure If I'm allowed to write here? Im new to this, But I just trying to stop This article is being considered for deletion in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy. I would just like to leave the artical as is, I know how you feel that its not a Memorial Page But I've tried to make it less, with just Infomation. And will leave as is(I have contacted NABBA/WFF) Friends of Manie and are wating on their site to update with list of all tittles untill then I would love to just leave as is. And keep Manfred Hamilton. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jizzom (talk • contribs) 03:37, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Is this him (in the over 60s cat)? Keep if so. Albeit a major re-write needed. Eliteimp (talk) 11:36, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- It might be, but do you notice that http://www.worldfitnessfederation.de is not actually a valid URL by itself? There is no year specified, no contact information, no validation - I can't begin to see it as a reliable source (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 11:46, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- What about that page makes you think he's a keep based on that result? What about that website (and the root page is http://www.worldfitnessfederation.de/nabba/frame1/navi_wff.html with nothing higher level) confers more notability on the competition than it had before you found it? —C.Fred (talk) 12:50, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I think it's clear from that page and NABBA that the guy was competing at the top level of international amateur bodybuilding. I also think it ridiculous that the user has been blocked for supposedly having a "lewd synonym" for a user name. Eliteimp (talk) 15:06, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- What? You think "jism" (what the Oxford English Dictionary calls "vulgar, slang" for semen) is an ok username?? (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 12:14, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I think it's clear from that page and NABBA that the guy was competing at the top level of international amateur bodybuilding. I also think it ridiculous that the user has been blocked for supposedly having a "lewd synonym" for a user name. Eliteimp (talk) 15:06, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- What about that page makes you think he's a keep based on that result? What about that website (and the root page is http://www.worldfitnessfederation.de/nabba/frame1/navi_wff.html with nothing higher level) confers more notability on the competition than it had before you found it? —C.Fred (talk) 12:50, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- It might be, but do you notice that http://www.worldfitnessfederation.de is not actually a valid URL by itself? There is no year specified, no contact information, no validation - I can't begin to see it as a reliable source (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 11:46, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete very few body builders meet WP:GNG (including this one), there is no WP:ATHLETE for Body Building, and he does not appear to have been a professional -Drdisque (talk) 17:47, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 03:53, 25 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Stefan Payne (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD • AfD statistics)
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Article on young footballer who has not played at a fully professional level as required by WP:ATHLETE. Originally PROD'ed by myself on these grounds, disputed by creator who said the following: "Payne has played numerous reserve team games for Fulham; I know that he is certainly Football League standard and would be surprised not to see him playing for Gillingham next season. No, he hasn't had a proffessional game quite yet, but I am sure he is to very soon too. Also, he was part of a Premier League team. Even if it was only at reserve level, it's still the best league in the world. As soon as his signing for Gillingham was officially announced, an IP came and added it to the page, this shows that there is interest in this player's WP article. If there are any more concerns I would be happy to answer them. Thanks". Thus I bring it here. As an aside, it's refreshing to see a PROD being removed and an explanation actually being given as to the reasoning behind it for once......... ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:47, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete per WP:ATHLETE failure. Deprodding reason could be quoted as a classic example of WP:CRYSTAL. пﮟოьεԻ 57 11:58, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom and Number 57, defiantly WP:CRYSTAL - argument by the user who disputed the prod that an IP edited the page is irrelevant, editing the page does not establish notability RandomTime 13:59, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete (I am creator) Very well, I understand if he is not notable quite yet. Just to clarifying my point about the IP, it showed that a non-Wikipedian had gone onto the page, probably to find out information about him. I have saved a copy of the page and will reinstate it as soon as he gets his first professional app., which will be soon I reckon. I am new to all this, and was just doing my bit to make WP bigger and better, but I realise I was a bit hasty. Thanks. Half Price (talk) 15:39, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - Hasn't played at a fully-pro level and can't find anything to ensure that he passes Wp:GNG means no other outcome should happen than to delete the article. DitzyNizzy (aka Jess)|(talk to me)|(What I've done) 15:42, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - It's also nice to see someone take the effort to explain why the PROD tag was removed, rather than it just being removed without comment. DitzyNizzy (aka Jess)|(talk to me)|(What I've done) 15:48, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. The prod game is lame anyhow. This needs to be deleted through regular channels. JBsupreme (talk) ✄ ✄ ✄ 16:30, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - fails WP:ATHLETE and WP:GNG; recreate if & when he become notable. GiantSnowman 18:49, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. –MuZemike 00:10, 26 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Zsolt Pölöskei (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD • AfD statistics)
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WP:HOAX, also fails WP:GNG and WP:ATHLETE. Specifically: the two articles listed are almost identical copies of each other. Both make claims for notability (appearances for MTK Hungaria and membership of the Hungary national football team which are not supported by sources: here is the FIFA report for the Hungary match the two players supposedly played in. There's no suggestion on the website of MTK Hungaria that either player has appeared in the first team. And finally, on the day they both supposedly played for Liverpool reserves against Crewe reserves, Liverpool were playing Manchester City. Page created by serial page creator. Pretty Green (talk) 08:43, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I am also nominating the following related page, which is essentially a copy of the first and contains the same false information.:
- Krisztián Adorján (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) --Pretty Green (talk) 08:51, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete both. Pölöskei played youth level for Hungary and only reserve football for LFC, but that is all - does not seem to have appeared for first team at MTK Hungaria. Not sure if Adorján has ever played serious football for anybody. Youth representation does not confer notability and reserve football certainly doesn't. --ClubOranjeT 10:16, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete both - not hoaxes, but certainly not notable - both fail WP:ATHLETE and WP:GNG. GiantSnowman 18:47, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I should point out that I mention WP:HOAX under the context of it's first sentence: A hoax is an attempt to trick an audience into believing that something false is real. This article, by claiming the players have appeared for MTK and have been in the Hungary national team, is doing such. --Pretty Green (talk) 10:35, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete both. In agreement with above arguments --MicroX (talk) 06:51, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: I indefinitely blocked the article's creator for... creating articles about non-notable players. I believe the author either lacks competence or is deliberately creating hoaxes. No way of telling, however, since they never responded to warnings, comments or questions on their talk page. TFOWR 09:40, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 03:51, 25 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Anastasia Gavrylovych (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD • AfD statistics)
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fails WP:ATHLETE, has not competed at the top amateur level which would be World Figure Skating Championships. LibStar (talk) 01:08, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete I would even accept a lower senior level championship such as the European Championships, but she has not even competed in that. -Drdisque (talk) 14:05, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. –MuZemike 00:41, 25 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keisuke Fujiwara (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD • AfD statistics)
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Fails WP:MMANOT Paralympiakos (talk) 11:31, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete Seems to fail WP:MMANOT. He hasn't fought in notable events or against notable opponents. Astudent0 (talk) 18:04, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Fails WP:MMANOT. Papaursa (talk) 18:09, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
He's fought in DREAM which is notable--KEWLONION (talk) 18:40, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, but I want to know if I can bring up the issue about DEEP and ZST being notable somewhere, can someone help me where to debate that --KEWLONION (talk) 18:41, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- The place to bring this up is Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mixed martial arts. The goal there is to find consensus about what constitutes a "notable" MMA organization (besides UFC). Papaursa (talk) 01:01, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:39, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Oritsejolomisan Eyeguokan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD • AfD statistics)
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fails WP:ATHLETE and WP:BIO. firstly no coverage in gnews [3]. and even if the claims in article are true, the minimum competition would be IAAF World Championships in Athletics. LibStar (talk) 12:38, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete I hope that this is a hoax (no surprise if it is, because it's an unsourced lone contribution by an SPA). Otherwise, it's a rather mean-spirited biography of a real person ("he had a terrible year because he wanted to play"; "he choked because of the audience"; etc.). Mandsford 13:36, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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- Speedy Delete - Poorly written, no refs. Should have been speedied when first created. Jusdafax 15:06, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- it was a declined speedy. LibStar (talk) 23:55, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Speedy should not have been declined, there is no claim of notability -Drdisque (talk) 14:06, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:38, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Desmond Tardy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD • AfD statistics)
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Procedural nomination, was nominated for PROD, but ineligible as it was effectively contested.
Was deleted in the past via PROD for reason: "Article fails to meet the relevant notability guidelines for Wikipedia." Recreation could be seen to contest the deletion, and to prevent future recreation this should go via AfD so it becomes eligible for CSD G4.
Thanks for your time. Taelus (Talk) 09:58, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak delete. This is truly a tough call. As an Mr. Football Award (Indiana) recipient, there seems to be notability here. However, that's a high school award. It seems after that there is very little that qualifies him as WP:ATHLETE. If recognition as Mr. Football is good enough, then I'd change to keep, but it seems this guy has done nothing else worthy. — Timneu22 · talk 11:46, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- WP:NSPORT says High school athletes are notable only if they have received, as individuals, substantial and prolonged coverage that is national and independent of the subject. — Timneu22 · talk 11:47, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Leaning stronger toward delete because there's just not a single reference in the article. His Purdue WR days seem to be completely unnoted. — Timneu22 · talk 11:49, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete that's an easy call--no sources given, no article. The rest doesn't even matter!--Paul McDonald (talk) 15:02, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - agree that this is an easy call. High school awards are not enough. Jusdafax 15:09, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. The rough consensus indicates that the general notability guideline has been met, the main reasons given for retention. –MuZemike 00:07, 25 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Fails WP:ATHLETE This article was WP:PRODed but its creator removed the PROD. Fails both criteria of WP:ATHLETE as:
- The subject "has not competed at the fully professional level of a sport, or a competition of equivalent standing in a non-league sport such as swimming, golf or tennis, except for those that participated only in competitions that are themselves non-notable."
- The subject "has not competed at the highest amateur level of a sport, usually considered to mean the Olympic Games or World Championships.
While the subject may have received reliable sourced press, that does not make him notable per the higher standards of WP:ATHLETE." --moreno oso (talk) 03:58, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep: The PROD was removed because it was not applicable. I concede that the subject appears to fail WP:ATHLETE, but that is NOT sufficient reason for deletion. WP:ATHLETE does not supersede WP:GNG. If you look earlier in WP:ATHELTE, you will see the following: "Failure to meet these criteria is not conclusive proof that a subject should not be included; conversely, meeting one or more does not guarantee that a subject should be included." Given that, no justification at all has been presented for deletion. The subject passes WP:GNG due to the significant coverage he received from the likes of MLB, ESPN, and Baseball Prospectus. Mickeyg13 (talk) 04:08, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep WP:ATHLETE is a fallback in case a page does not obviously meet WP:GNG. In my opinion, a person with over 1,000,000 google hits and over 250 Google News hits has easily met the requirement of having significant coverage in third party sources. Rather surprised that this was even nominated. Kinston eagle (talk) 09:56, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. As second overall pick, there's significant coverage. Agree with Kinston eagle that WP:ATHLETE is a fallback. Now, if this guy had been the 47th overall pick or something, it would be a different story. — Timneu22 · talk 12:08, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Manny Machado's article got deleted for the simple fact that he had not played professionally. The same rules should apply for Taillon.--Yankees10 15:40, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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- Per WP:WAX, the deletion of Machado's article is not sufficient justification to delete this one. Also, not playing professionally is not enough justification. The issue to debate is NOT whether Taillon meets WP:ATHLETE (we agree he does not), but whether he satisfies WP:GNG. We contend that the significant, nontrivial, verifiable coverage he has received from independent, national sources (MLB, ESPN, Baseball Prospectus, Baseball America, etc.) satisfy this criterion. For what it's worth I disagree with the decision to delete Machado's article for these same reasons, but that is not relevant here. Mickeyg13 (talk) 16:44, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - There is enough coverage in reliable sources to establish notability per WP:GNG. The standards of WP:ATHLETE do not supersede GNG. P. D. Cook Talk to me! 16:15, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep WP:ATHLETE is not a hard and fast rule to be slavishly adhered to, this is a good example of why. Eliteimp (talk) 16:37, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Meets WP:GNG despite failing WP:ATH. --Brian Halvorsen (talk) 05:42, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. He hasn't even signed yet. Rigth now he's just a high school pitcher who got drafted. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 21:38, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- That's not an argument. Yes we all know that he is not yet a professional athlete. Nonetheless he has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, so by WP:GNG he qualifies for an article. Specifically:
- "Significant Coverage": He received pre-draft coverage in the following links referenced on his page: [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], and [9]. Post-draft he received the following coverage: [10], [11], [12], and [13].
- "Reliable sources": ESPN, MLB, Baseball America, and Baseball Prospectus are among the most reliable sources available for baseball content. If they don't count as reliable sources for baseball then I have no idea what does and would love to be educated about it. I think the other links also count (Fangraphs is very well-respected in sabermetric circles for instance), but I'm more certain about ESPN, MLB, BA, and BP.
- Independent of the subject": The aforementioned sources have no affiliation with Taillon aside from covering baseball. I'd disagree but be willing to listen to an argument discounting the sources from local newspapers or the the team that drafted him, but ESPN, MLB, Baseball America, and Baseball Prospectus are certainly independent.
- So which of the above points do you disagree with? Or do you agree that he satisfies all the criteria for WP:GNG? If he does satisfy WP:GNG, why does he not warrant a page? Mickeyg13 (talk) 23:02, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- That's not an argument. Yes we all know that he is not yet a professional athlete. Nonetheless he has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, so by WP:GNG he qualifies for an article. Specifically:
- Keep Sufficient coverage in reliable sources to show notability. Edward321 (talk) 14:33, 20 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. T. Canens (talk) 02:44, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Eric Frimpong (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD • AfD statistics)
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Only played in amateur football, was drafted without ever playing. As for the criminal case, it is rather an argument against having the article (per WP:BLP) than for having it. Geschichte (talk) 21:19, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete - fails WP:ATHLETE and WP:GNG. GiantSnowman 21:06, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - I'd keep it. There has been a LOT of non-trivial press coverage of this case in the soccer media, as well as in the Southern California local press because of the apparent mishandling of the case from the Santa Barbara cops, lawyers, judge and jury. He most definitely passes WP:GNG from that standpoint alone - the fact that he is also a soccer player is secondary to the issues surrounding his trial and subsequent unsafe conviction. --JonBroxton (talk) 07:30, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - he may fail WP:ATHLETE, but the significant coverage surrounding his trial means he passes WP:GNG. Sir Sputnik (talk) 21:03, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete Non-notable from a sports perspective, failing WP:ATHLETE having not played at a notable level, and no in-depth independent coverage. Rape conviction is not notable, NTEMP, and nothing particularly significant. I don't see anything encyclopedia worthy about an average rape case.--ClubOranjeT 07:08, 27 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete a classic WP:BLP1E. Lustralaustral (talk) 00:54, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Sports-wise, he hasn't achieved anything of note or played at a professional level, so he fails WP:ATHLETE. The only news coverage he has received is for the rape case, which means the subject also fails WP:ONEVENT. Bettia (talk) 15:52, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keeep Person has received international headlines because of his high profile court case and the lack of evidence before his conviction, I don't follow US football and know who he is. He meets the WP:Notable criteria in my opinion. TheBigJagielka (talk) 17:33, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 17:20, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Bren Powers (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD • AfD statistics)
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Non notable athlete. Has yet to compete in the highest levels of strongman competition. Millbrooky (talk) 19:05, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. I contested speedy deletion of this article as it contains a minimal claim of importance, with a reference to a local newspaper, but I can't find any evidence that the subject passes either WP:ATHLETE or the general notability guideline. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:19, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete I tagged it for SD (this reminds me of 'Who killed Cock Robin'...) as I didn't feel the standard of competition and the success therein reached was high enough under WP:ATHLETE - and I wasn't too happy about the sponsor link. I've explained my position at reasonable length to the creator after he contacted me, but nothing seems to have happened. There seems to be potential in the subject - but potential is future stuff. If he gets to the finals of the UK Strongman, there might well be a strong case. I wish him well in the next qualifiers, anyway. (Got to - he's bigger than me.....) Peridon (talk) 21:11, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm going to say userfy on this one, as the creator seems to be a well-intentioned new editor who's picked up on a toppic that isn't quite notable enough but may be in the near future (incidentally, to keep up the Cock Robin analogy, I'm the one who moved the article to the correct capitalisation...). Alzarian16 (talk) 22:37, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I won't disagree with that suggestion. Peridon (talk) 16:09, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. With the Blackpoole citation he seems notable. Article just needs expansion. AkankshaG (talk) 23:13, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete. One piece in the local paper excepted, the coverage lacks anything that could be called a reliable source. Doesn't match up to WP:GNG. Nuttah (talk) 06:00, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Thanks to everybody who has made comments, yes I am new to this and the page was created in good faith, if somebody could point me in the correct direction as to how I can improve things in line with Wikipedia then that would be great, as mentioned above Bren has only appeared in the online version of the newspaper but has been in printed material on several occasions, Blackpool Gazette, Lancashire Evening Post etc he is a very good athlete and all we are trying to do is boost his profile and let people know they have a local strongman who needs their support. As I said if anybody can be of further assistance that would be brilliant. Many thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter "Panda" Jones (talk • contribs) 08:26, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry, but that's one of the things Wikipedia is NOT for. For promoting someone, try LinkedIn and aboutus and so on. We're for recording stuff, not for making it happen. Good luck, anyway. Peridon (talk) 20:10, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- That's certainly true, but on the other hand if the guy's been covered in local papers lots of times then he mightbe notable under WP:GNG or WP:ANYBIO. Perhaps Peter could scan some of the offline articles and upload them as images so we can see if they qualify as significant coverage in reliable sources. Alzarian16 (talk) 16:28, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry, but that's one of the things Wikipedia is NOT for. For promoting someone, try LinkedIn and aboutus and so on. We're for recording stuff, not for making it happen. Good luck, anyway. Peridon (talk) 20:10, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. T. Canens (talk) 02:42, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Marsel Efroimski (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD • AfD statistics)
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not sure if WP:ATHLETE applies to chess players but simply being an under 14 world champion should not mean notability. does not extensive coverage [14]. LibStar (talk) 07:20, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep Appears in enough sources to convince me of notability. (Also see this and other sources.) Undead Warrior (talk) 03:12, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete her ratings do not suggest that she is one of the best chess players in the world. -Drdisque (talk) 14:12, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete No significant coverage of this individual from reliable independent sources. Lustralaustral (talk) 00:51, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:57, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Aston Taminsyah (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD • AfD statistics)
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not sure if WP:ATHLETE applies to chess. not simply being an under 7 world champion should not guarantee you notability. fails the greater WP:BIO with no extensive recognition [15]. LibStar (talk) 06:58, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete per nomination rationale. Lustralaustral (talk) 00:49, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Keep ---Balloonman NO! I'm Spartacus! 02:48, 25 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Fabiano Scherner (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD • AfD statistics)
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Does not cite any reliable sources. Contested PROD. — Jeff G. ツ 03:38, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Note Google turns up just over 900 results on a search for Fabiano "Pega-Leve" Scherner. Some of these sources seem to be respected within MMA circles, but I won't make any claim to kow this for sure, or claim that they defintely do stand up as reliable resources. Darigan (talk) 11:10, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Some links on article talk page Darigan (talk) 11:13, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Subject has multiple fights in high level promotions (UFC and IFC) make him notable, IMO. The article does need a lot of cleanup, removal of "rumors" and most especially references added. --TreyGeek (talk) 13:43, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep - not the most comfortable keep ever, but the fighter does JUST make WP:MMANOT on the organisational level. Is worth noting that the fighter has competed against a handful of really notable fighters. Paralympiakos (talk) 23:17, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Just a p.s., I'm watchlisting him (can't believe I hadn't before) and will go about sourcing/cleanup once safety is confirmed (don't want a load of unneeded deleted edits). Paralympiakos (talk) 23:36, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep – It's difficult to determine at what point an MMA competitor is notable since there are so many organizations, many of them at a minor level. Reminds me of boxing, with its many titles, only a few of which are really important. In this case, I believe that given his UFC appearances, the subject is notable under WP:ATHLETE. I wouldn't make that argument for fighters who've only competed in low-level promotions, but the UFC is the highest level of the sport, and multiple appearances there (including one on a main card) are enough to convince me of his notability. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 00:24, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Article has also been tagged as an unreferenced BLP. Personally, I think he's just short of notability according to a strict reading of WP:MMANOT. However, if his world championships in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu can be sourced, then he's clearly notable. Papaursa (talk) 02:04, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak keep. Can't take a position on whether he meets the WP:MMANOT or more general WP:ATHLETE standard, but the Google News numbers (and the sources listed therein) may be enough to meet the general notability guidelines.--PinkBull 01:57, 25 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:44, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Bryan Nuckles (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD • AfD statistics)
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Despite assertion that he races in "Professional" series, none of the series he races in are truly professional, thus not only fails WP:GNG but also WP:ATHLETE/Motorsports standards for WP:NSPORT. Drdisque (talk) 00:50, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:ATHLETE. Claritas § 14:02, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. He played at the highest level of the sport. (curling) therefore passing WP:ATHLETE NativeForeigner Talk/Contribs 00:36, 25 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Jimmy Carroll (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD • AfD statistics)
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Subject does not meet WP:BIO. Provided references are not establishing notability and are profiles of the person on not reliable sources. Former Speedy A7 was declined by the author. — Zhernovoi (talk) 20:02, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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- Question - What is considered the highest level of competition in hurling? I have no knowledge of hurling at all, and to me this question is very important for determining the notability of this person. If one or both of the leagues he played in were top-level and fully professional, the page would likely meet athlete notability standards. If not, I don't think sufficient notability is established by the sources, though I do note that the first is apparently to an official organization, which may not establish notability but is not necessarily unreliable. Again, my lack of knowledge of the sport precludes me from being sure in that regard. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 23:19, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - Subject has played at inter-county level of hurling in Ireland. Inter-county level is the highest level of competition in hurling, which is an amateur sport with no professional competitions. Thus, subject meets WP:Athlete Criterion 2: People who have competed at the highest amateur level of a sport usually considered to mean the Olympic Games or World Championships. - Teester (talk) 11:10, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep - he's nationally notable by our modest provincial standards, but could we have the actual years instead of "1970s and 1980s".Red Hurley (talk) 13:42, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - I don't think every player to ever compete in inter-county hurling is inherently notable. It's paradoxical that the bar for notability should be placed so low simply because hurling is such an obscure sport and no higher levels of play exist. If this individual is or was particularly well known within the hurling community, there should be sources attesting to that fact.Minnowtaur (talk) 06:06, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I understand that. The situation (and see my comments on the AFD below) is that just about everything is notable in Wikipedia:WikiProject Gaelic games that would not be notable otherwise on mainstream wikipedia. If someone were to set up a "WikiProject Irish tiddleywinks", it seems that they can then describe all the players of that amateur sport as notable. I don't know where wikipedia draws the line - does anyone?Red Hurley (talk) 08:51, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per Teester. Strikehold (talk) 04:38, 20 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. T. Canens (talk) 23:26, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Durrell Summers (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD • AfD statistics)
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College athlete, fails WP:ATHLETE. No indication of meeting either the general or athlete specific notability requirements. TexasAndroid (talk) 18:29, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep significant third party coverage apparent in Google news search. Gigs (talk) 01:01, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep extensive non-trivial third party coverage, thus meets GNG -Drdisque (talk) 01:55, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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- Second relist rationale. The article is a BLP. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:02, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete An elite-level college basketball program such as Michigan State will garner more than it's fair share of "coverage". Players on these teams will frequently be the subject of "feature" articles for no other reason than their presence on the team. That does not guarantee that the player is notable. There is no indication that this player has won any postseason awards or was picked for All-America status. DarkAudit (talk) 00:34, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- To the contrary - their presence on the team and subsequent extensive media coverage indicates their notability and meeting of WP:GNG. -Drdisque (talk) 03:43, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - major college players are usually notable. He clearly meets the requirement of significant coverage in reliable sources. --B (talk) 05:41, 26 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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