Talk:Shanghai Metro

Anybody who can confirm the recent anonymous edit that Line 5 is also distance based instead of fixed fare? I haven't seen that line yet, so I have not idea which is true. CyeZ 02:24, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

• I believe that Shanghai Line 5 is also distance based. Heights 17:04, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
• True, however it's at a discounted rate. Xavierkuai 12:47, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of timetables and price tables

I propose to delete all timetables and (maybe) price tables from Shanghai Metro pages. The timetables especially are superfluous information which can be obtained easily and much more authoritatively from the Shanghai Metro authorities. They are cluttering the pages. -- Sumple (Talk) 05:52, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Separate Shanghai Metro station articles

I have started the quite massive undertaking of rebranding the existing articles on Shanghai Metro stations as specific Shanghai Metro articles, or "outsourcing" the information concerning the metro station from articles concerning places of the same name.

Apart from bringing the series in line with the major other subway series on Wikipedia (compare London Underground, New York subway and Hong Kong Subway, as well as the Chinese version of the Shanghai Metro series), my rationale for doing this is

• to solve the factual inaccuracy (something like a map territory problem) resulting from equaling actual places to metro stations. For instance, recently we had the case of Dongfang Lu station being renamed Shiji Avenue station. By redirecting an article 'Dongfang Lu' to 'Shijie Avenue', is appears as if the street has been renamed, which is not the case, as instead the station has taken the name of another street! Each article describing Shanghai metro stations should therefore also outwardly reflect the identity of a metro station, rather than the place it is named after.
• to avoid foreseeable cluttering that will become a problem as soon as more information is added to the articles about both the metro stations and the places they are named after.
• specifically to avoid the problem with Shanghai Metro stations being named after street sections. While articles on Shanghai streets always refer to the street on the whole (compare Nanjing Road), stations are often named after street sections (compare West Nanjing Road (Shanghai Metro)). Describing several geographically distant stations of (potentially different) lines in the same street article might prove confusing, and again result in the factual inaccuracy described above.

I have considered both the London model (e.g. Baker Street tube station), the New York model (e.g. Seventh Avenue (IND Queens Boulevard Line)) and the Hong Kong Model (e.g. Kwai Fong (MTR)) and taken a scheme close to the Hong Kong model to establish a clear association of the subject described in the article with the Shanghai Metro (e.g. East Nanjing Road (Shanghai Metro). The naming scheme is also based upon the official translations given in announcenments and on signs (in English, as this is the English wikipedia). Alternative writings may direct to the main articles.

The idea is that eventually, the metro station articles (apart from history etc.) will give information similiar to the information signs in the Shanghai subway stations, while the articles on places will specifically include information concerning them. To avoid redundancy, I'd suggest not to include any details (like landmarks) to locations near the metro stations, but leave this information on the respective pages.

The process of rebranding has already been finished for Line 2. To avoid unnecessary stubs, articles with no other information than about the metro station have been moved (e.g. Jiangsu Road (Shanghai Metro), while pages with more information have been splitted (e.g. People's Square (Shanghai). As there are still a few lines to cover, any helping hand for the remaining stations is warmly welcomed. -- Bluebird47 23:20, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I like what you are doing there. It's a long overdue move and I think it's great that you are taking on such a huge and perhaps repetitive task.

I also agree with your proposed naming scheme. I will try to help where I can. --Sumple (Talk) 02:32, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm glad to read that you support these changes :) I have now completed Line 1, so that the two main lines of Shanghai Metro now have consistent articles. -- Bluebird47 14:39, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

While I was at it, I incorporated the northern extension of Line 3 and the western extension of Line 2 which both opened in Dec 2006. There's one issue I couldnt resolve yet, maybe you can find out more in the original Chinese sources: is Songbin Road or Wusong Town the final name of one station of Line 3? -- Bluebird47 18:41, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

According to the Chinese wiki, Songbin Road is the name of one of the new stations. --Sumple (Talk) 00:18, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, so it seems the official news article is right indeed (and the maps are wrong). I just completed Line 3 and Line 4 is half-way done. One further issue I had that I'd like to get confirmed concerns Shanghai Stadium and Shanghai Indoor Stadium. Old maps show the former to be part of Line 1 (and I remember that quite clearly), while now it is part of Line 3 exclusively, and Shanghai Indoor Stadium is a transfer station for both lines. Does this mean that they closed down Shanghai Stadium metro station (as Line 3 is above ground) in favor of a new Shanghai Indoor Stadium station (both subway and above ground)? -- Bluebird47 00:35, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I think you mean line 4 - which is the new subway line, not line 3. Line 3 passes by near the stadiums but doesn't have a stop there.

I think it's only the translation that's changed: Shanghai Indoor Stadium was the original Line 1 station and it's still a Line 1 station. The Chinese name was and still is "上海体育馆" ("Shanghai Sports Hall"). My guess is that this station was translated as "Shanghai Stadium" originally, becuase the new outdoor stadium had not been built at the time. This is the station that's on both line 1 and line 4. My guess is that after the new outdoor stadium was built, they changed the translation of the station name to "Shanghai Indoor Stadium" to avoid confusion.

"Shanghai [outdoor] Stadium" is a station on line 4 only. --Sumple (Talk) 08:14, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I see there all the confusion mentioned in the original article is coming from. After continued search, I got some interesting clues: first, you are right, in Chinese the line 1 metro station was always called 上海体育馆 ("Shanghai Wantiguan") even on old maps. However Shanghai [Outdoor] Stadium did exist at the time they used "Shanghai Stadium" as the translation for the Line 1 metro station (I have photos from 2004 showing the same building as in the respective WP article). Then I checked Google Maps and saw the two stadiums are not just "close" but literally next to each other. In light of that, which metro station takes which name sure seems like a pure formality. So the English name of the station referred to the outdoor stadium (or, in fact, both of them) and the Chinese one specifically to the indoor stadium. Then, they build line 4 and a new (above ground) station a bit away took the Chinese name for outdoor stadium "海体育场", in English, "Shanghai Stadium". So the original line 1 station (now with line 4 transfer) had to switch to the more precise translation "Shanghai Indoor Stadium". Does this explanation make sense to you? -- Bluebird47 15:00, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

yeah, that's what I think as well. The outdoor stadium was built after line 1: line 1 in 1994 or thereabouts?? and the outdoor stadium was built in 1997. --Sumple (Talk) 23:38, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

POV - "The Shanghai Subway has to be one of best systems in the world."

This sentance and possibly others in this article are POV. Triona 17:04, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

I've made an attempt to correct the POV and generally clean up the article. Can someone verify the information in the article? --Robinspw 18:00, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

This is not the Shanghai Metro Information Site

Please stop adding superfluous information like timetables. CAn you imagine if London Underground had timetables for every single line? I am also concerned about the verifiability or lack thereof of the "planned" information. Planned disneyland?? Disney has emphatically said that they have no plans to build a theme park in Shanghai in the forseeable future as far as I remember. --Sumple (Talk) 11:15, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Because WP:NOT a crystal ball, any future/planned happenings should be appropriately referenced. enochlau (talk) 12:11, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Further to that, see Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Shanghai_Metro/Timetables, and in particular, Shanghai Metro Line 1. There are timetables everywhere! Before I go and obliterate them, I would like to hear from the editors who put them up why they think they should stay. enochlau (talk) 12:16, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Map

The map is ridiculous. The text for each of the stations is not consistent + the line 3 extension and the line 2 extension has already been opened. I think a route map of such a large subway system should be important and currently it does not seem so. Heights 00:25, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

• Ignore please, I've made a new map. Thanks. Heights^{(Want to talk?)} 22:30, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

This just came up on a search today - http://henleycentreheadlightvision.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/shanghai_subway.gif Don't know how to put it in, but thought someone here might. Don't know how accurate, but looks impressive enough to be put on this page as to the possible future of the Shanghai subway.116.231.75.16 (talk) 01:56, 3 September 2008 (UTC)Anon.

There is an error on the map for Line 2 -- Nanjing Rd to the East of People's Square is marked as (W) -- it should be E (Dong) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.248.24.194 (talk) 08:24, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

History?

Shouldn't there be some sort of brief history that describes the conception of the Shanghai Metro which includes major developments? I know that this info is present on the individual Line pages, but it would be really useful if the highest-level article had some background to the system. -Herenthere (Talk) 05:24, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Renaming of articles

Should the format of the articles on the lines be renamed to "Line _, Shanghai Metro" ? I've checked the other operating rail lines in China and all their lines adopted this format. Newfraferz87 (talk) 02:11, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

This is a good question.  I would say that in general, articles on metro/subway lines should be named in a similar fashion. Here are examples of other major metros:

• Moscow Metro - Sokolnicheskaya Line
• Hong Kong MTR - Kwun Tong Line
• Rome Metro - Line A (Rome Metro)
• Seoul Metropolitan Subway - Seoul Subway Line 5
• Paris Metro - Paris Métro Line 1
• Mass Rapid Transit (Singapore) - North South MRT Line
• Delhi Metro - Red Line (Delhi Metro)
• Guangzhou Metro - Line 1, Guangzhou Metro
• Berlin U-Bahn - U1 (Berlin U-Bahn)
• Budapest Metro - Line 1 (Budapest Metro)
• Madrid Metro - Line 1 (Madrid Metro)
• Barcelona Metro - Barcelona Metro line 1
• Tokyo Metro - Tokyo Metro Ginza Line

Man, there's not much of a pattern there at all. It almost seems like the "Line X, City system" format is unique to china, but i have not looked at all articles. —fudoreaper (talk) 22:41, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Articles changed. Newfraferz87 (talk) 05:50, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Map, again

The current map needs to be more readable. This is a good map. We should use it as a template. Colipon+(Talk) 19:04, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Station count

Why are interchanges being counted multiple times? -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 21:36, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

It is used in official reports; the Beijing Subway uses a similar way of counting. NoNews! 22:15, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Longest Metro System in the World?

In the wake of the Shanghai Metro's recent expansion (thru April 2010), some have described the Shanghai Metro as the "longest in the world." An article in the Shanghai Daily, dated April 9, 2010, says that with the opening of the Line 10 the following day, the Metro will reach 420km in length and become the longest in the world.[1]. The 420km figure does not include the Maglev line but it is not clear whether the count includes revenue tracks only or also includes non-revenue tracks such as service track in depots. Also not clear is whether this number double- or single-counts the stretch of tracks that Lines 3 and 4 share. The Shanghai Metro's own website describes the London Underground as having a track length of 439km.[2] The London Underground's official stat page says the network's length is 402km.[3]. Perhaps it is time to start a list of the world's longest metro networks. How track/line length is counted will be crucial to the accuracy and informativeness to such a list. ContinentalAve (talk) 19:00, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

The Shanghai metro says the London Underground is longer than London Underground as they are both using different measurement techniques. List of Metro Systems covers the stuff you want to cover, but getting the content sourced at all is generally tricky, so getting a single measure to use for fair comparisons is tricky. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 22:23, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

I just wonder if Shanghai adopt London measurement technique, but include the Maglev Line, which one will be the longest ? Joe2008 (talk) 06:58, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

You may refer to Shanghai Metro official Website. http://www.shmetro.com/node49/201004/con103569.htm . Seems if London Underground adopt Shanghai metro's measurement technique, London Underground would have 439km route length, so London still the longest by April 2010. Joe2008 (talk) 06:58, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Introduction too short? - July 2010

In early July 2010, a comment was made that the introduction is inadequate for this article, but no efforts were made to add anything to what appears to be a fairly concise and informative intro. What's missing? The intro as is covers the basic attributes of the Shanghai Metro, including what it is (an urban mass transit system), what it consists of (light rail and subway), when it opened and a comment about how quickly it's grown (history), the current state of the metro (number of lines and stations and track length, ridership) and a reference about future expansion. Someone actually took out the recap of recent areas of expansion. So what's left to say in the introduction? Do we really want to have an intro that also summarizes the types of rolling stock and signaling system that metro uses? Or the intricacies of its ticketing system and "virtual transfers." Unless that kind of info or something is clearly warranted in the intro, the article should not carry an "inadequate intro" band. Please enlighten.

ContinentalAve (talk) 23:36, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

I moved some content down into its own section leaving only one paragraph which is when I added the tag. But there are now two paragraphs in the lead. Its probably not up to GA standards but there's no reason for a tag in the meantime really, so I've removed it. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 07:01, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you! Btw, feel free to add to the intro. I'd just add that as the Recent Expansion section gets further updated, the older content in that section should be moved to the history section. ContinentalAve (talk) 16:21, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Line 22

This new article, http://sh.sina.com.cn/news/s/2010-10-28/0831160417.html, says Line 22 is 56 km and will open Oct. 1, 2011. Can someone more proficient than me in Wikipedia mark up move it to the By the End of 2012 section?