Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Islam

Islam-related articles by quality and importance Quality Importance Top High Mid Low NA ??? Total FA 1 8 9 15 33 FL 1 1 2 FM 17 17 A 1 1 GA 6 13 38 79 13 149 B 70 94 233 410 89 896 C 110 140 414 1,535 1 273 2,473 Start 42 92 450 3,524 1 883 4,992 Stub 8 11 204 2,960 771 3,954 List 1 12 114 180 3 35 345 Category 1 1 5,449 5,451 Disambig 1 3 122 1 127 File 2 43 45 Portal 330 330 Project 113 113 Redirect 7 16 46 148 648 865 Template 1 478 479 NA 4 4 8 Other 1 106 107 Assessed 246 388 1,513 8,860 7,315 2,065 20,387 Unassessed 1 1 28 636 666 Total 246 389 1,514 8,888 7,315 2,701 21,053 WikiWork factors (?) ω = 61,563 Ω = 4.93

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Translation for the article Mosque of Uqba

Hi, Mosque of Uqba or Great Mosque of Kairouan is one of the best preserved and oldest monuments (mosques) in Islamic civilization. It is also a great masterpiece of architecture. The french version "Grande mosquée de Kairouan" is a featured article (in french Article de qualité). It would be very interesting to translate the french article. I can help for the architectural terms. Cordially Quincy2010 (talk) 01:35, 16 March 2010 (CET)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Muslim atheists

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"Genie" or "jinn"?

If you have an opinion on what ought to be the appropriate title for this article (currently at Genie), feel free to participate in the discussion here. Cavila (talk) 20:08, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Sarwari Qadiri

Could editors with expertise in Sufism please improve or merge Sarwari Qadiri? Please also note that the article's creator has also attempted article forks at Qadri sarwari‎ and Qadrisarwari. Thanks, Top Jim (talk) 08:47, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Jerusalem

There is currently a discussion taking place at Talk:Jerusalem over how the article should word certain issues. Some editors want the word "proclaimed" to be added to the first sentence of the article to describe it as the "proclaimed capital" of Israel as the international community does not recognise it as the capital of Israel, others disagree and think the status quo which has existed for about 3 years should remain (something that has been debated many times over the years but retained), and several compromises have also been suggested. The issue has now also spread to other matters, with some editors wanting it to say "proclaimed flag", "proclaimed mayor" , "proclaimed coat of arms" etc, to also highlight the fact the international community does not recognise the status of Jerusalem. This matter could have implications for other articles if changes are made and a similar pattern followed. So input from other editors would be helpful. Thanks BritishWatcher (talk) 14:13, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

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Islam Makrifat

I came across this article, and could not understand at all what it was trying to say. Then, I went looking for references, and found a reference that tells me that makrifat is the final stage of mystical advancement in Javanese Sufi sects, the attainment of intuitive knowledge of spiritual truths. I will update the article to reflect the reference I've found, but would be grateful if another editor could take a look at it because I really don't know anything about this topic. Many thanks, CordeliaNaismith (talk) 15:05, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

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WikiProject cleanup listing

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Merging Al-Insān al-Kāmil with İnsan-ı Kamil

I need help from Project Islam. There are two articles with very old merge tags on them - Al-Insān al-Kāmil and İnsan-ı Kamil. Please let me know if these articles are about the same thing and if they should be merged. Comment at the talk page please. D O N D E groovily Talk to me 04:49, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Help requested: Articles on Muhammad and Ali in the Bible

Could I have some help please, on the articles Muhammad in the Bible and Ali in the scriptures? English is not the first language of the articles' creator, and he has asked for help on what appear to be good-faith articles. I've tried copyediting a bit, but it's difficult to tell which of the claims the articles make of references pointing to the arrival of Muhammad and Ali in the Bible are mainstream Shi'a theology as he claims, and which are original research per WP:NOR. Muhammad in the Bible in particular contained a line beginning "I have found...", which points to WP:NOR, if I'm reading his English correctly. All help and advice will be gratefully received. Thanks, Top Jim (talk) 04:55, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Ali Masjid

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Islamic view of Daniel

FYI, Islamic view of Daniel has been prodded for deletion . 76.66.194.212 (talk) 07:33, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

I was able to have this article restored. However, I believe if we would like it to stay alive that more needs to be added to the article to bring its quality up. Right now its little more then an unsourced stub. Da'oud Nkrumah (talk) 04:15, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Gaza War

There are three editors pushing POV and attempting to keep out of the article on Gaza War information showing the recent conviction of two IDF soldiers for war crimes in using a Palestinian child as a human shield. These three editors act similarly across Wikipedia articles relevant to Israel and Palestine. This is the well sourced information they keep removing. [[1]]

n March 2010 what has been recognized as one of the most high-profile criminal cases from Operation Cast Lead began. Two Israel Defense Forces soldiers were suspected of using a 9 year-old Palestinian boy, Majd Rabah, as a human shield by forcing him at gunpoint to open a number of bags the IDF soldiers though might contain explosives. On October 3, 2010 both soldiers were convicted of reckless endangerment and conduct unbecoming. This was reportedly the first such conviction in Israeli history, where the use of civilians as human shields is banned. During sentencing the soldiers were placed on 2 years probation with a suspended sentence of a minimum three-month jail term if they commit another crime. Both soldiers were demoted to the rank of Sergeant. Bill Van Esveld, an Israel-based researcher for Human Rights Watch, noted that using civilians as human shields is under the laws of war a war crime. Da'oud Nkrumah (talk) 12:54, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

I will file a report at WP:NPOVN, but first I need the names of the three editors that are pushing POV. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 14:21, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

They are Jiujitsuguy, Mbz1, Cptnono. Da'oud Nkrumah (talk) 14:28, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

OK, I've looked at a couple links and the relevant discussion on Talk:Gaza War, and it looks like all of you are making these edits in good faith. However, it looks like they are going to write the information in a draft (see this entire discussion) and then put it in the article. So as far as I can tell, there's no need to bring this to NPOVN. I have an idea. I am a member of the Guild of Copy Editors, so if you were to write up a draft as recommended by the editors on Talk:Gaza War, I will copy edit it for you, meaning I will fix any grammar mistakes that I find. I will also do my best to make it encyclopedic. What do you think? The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 14:39, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

This is my draft which as far s I can tell is NPOV and encyclopedic but you can certainly improve and post:

In March 2010, what has been recognized as one of the most high-profile criminal cases from Operation Cast Lead began. Two Israel Defense Forces soldiers were suspected of using a nine-year-old Palestinian boy, Majd Rabah, as a human shield by forcing him at gunpoint to open a number of bags that the IDF soldiers though might contain explosives. On October 3, 2010, both soldiers were convicted of reckless endangerment and unbecoming conduct. This was reportedly the first such conviction in Israeli history, where the use of civilians as human shields is banned. During sentencing, the soldiers were placed on two years' probation with a suspended sentence of a minimum three-month jail term if they commit another crime. Both soldiers were demoted to the rank of Sergeant. Bill Van Esveld, an Israel-based researcher for Human Rights Watch, noted that using civilians as human shields is a war crime.

In June 2010, Israeli Advocate-General Avichai Mandelblit summoned a recently discharged soldier for a special hearing. The soldier was suspected of opening fire on Palestinian civilians when a group of 30 Palestinians that included women and children waving a white flag approached an IDF position. The incident, which occurred on January 4th, 2009, resulted in the death of two non-combatant women. Israeli Advocate-General Avichai Mandelblit decided to indict the IDF soldier, a member of the Givati Brigade, on a charge of manslaughter after the hearing, despite some contradictory testimony. This may have been based on the soldier admitting to firing on a woman he says he feared endangered his life.

I also don't see where it is good faith to delete this information, change the information in the last paragraph to unverified information that doesn't match the source, specifically with statements attempting to show that this person did noting wrong. The top paragraph being deleted left the preceding paragraph stating that the only human shields are used by HAMAS. :

Information prior to Jijitsuguy edit and deletion of well sourced information [2] Original copy before any edits and my first edit :[3] Da'oud Nkrumah (talk) 14:50, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

I have started to copy edit the draft you provided, but I still need to trim it down a bit. I was assuming good faith because four editors, the three you mentioned and Sean.hoyland, don't believe the information should be included unless it is drafted to be shorter and more encyclopedic. If they were to revert the trimmed and copy edited version and not provide a reason for doing so, then that would be a violation of policy, but as of now, they aren't doing anything wrong. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 14:59, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

• I've put the draft in my sandbox to work on it. You're welcome to make any edits you would like. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 15:15, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I will follow your progress. Thank you for the help. Da'oud Nkrumah (talk) 15:23, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Criticism of Twelver Shi'ism

FYI, Criticism of Twelver Shi'ism has been sent for deletion at AfD. Someone then slapped a CV tag on it without providing a reason... 76.66.202.72 (talk) 05:18, 1 December 2010 (UTC)