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DYK for 1997 U2 concert in Sarajevo

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The DYK project (nominate) 18:00, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Excellent job on that. Provides an excellent insight into the conditions surrounding the war too. Thankyou. ‡ Himalayan ‡ ^ΨMonastery 18:13, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Achtung Baby "contradictions"...

I played around with that influences section after you suggested a new spot. Perhaps don't both going through each diff, rather the overall change is here. I think your suggested new position actually created (or at least enhanced) the contradiction you complained about in the sentence's initial placement. (ie, right after it speaks of morale, rather than at the end of that paragraph). So i moved it to Composition where it already talks about personal and religious writing. --Merbabu (talk) 23:04, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

That makes sense. I think it works well there. Do you think we're ready to renominate for FAC? Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 01:02, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

"City of Blinding Lights"

Hi there, as I'm sure you know "City of Blinding Lights" is currently up for FAC. At the moment it looks as if the article will not pass unless the prose receives a copyedit from somebody with fresh eyes; could I ask you to take some time in the immediate future to give the article a look-over and tighten up the prose? Cheers, MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 04:01, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

I just did a copyedit, but we have an edit conflict on your hands. Can you try and merge your individual changes into my copy? Thanks. Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 05:04, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

I've integrated the two as best I can at the moment, but I'm exhausted and will be up in about five hours. Hopefully I'll be able to clean up any loose ends tomorrow night. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 05:25, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Pft - western hemispherians. You're all the same.--Merbabu (talk) 05:56, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't follow. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 23:34, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

u all sleep "weird" hours.  ;-) --Merbabu (talk) 01:13, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Ah, but that's the beauty of why we're here. When you're sleeping "normal" hours in Oz, we're taking care of the vandalism that springs up (and vice versa) =P. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 01:17, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Sarajevo PR

Hah, I think it's really funny that you've put the concert article up for PR before taking it to GAN; I was thinking only a few hours earlier today about taking those steps too! We seem to come up with the same ideas at the same time all the time for this article! MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 17:55, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Get out of my head! =) Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 18:15, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry case

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Terribly sorry for accusing you of using socks. My hunch was wrong. Well take care. RG (talk) 20:17, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

I have to admit, the accusation peeved me, but it looks as if the user was a sock for someone else, so your hunch wasn't completely wrong. Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 20:27, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Re: MoS personnel

Yep; the liner notes have the following (some of which could be worked into Composition):

• Music: U2, Eno, Lanois
• Lyrics: Bono
• Keyboards: Terry Lawless
• Cello: Caroline Dale
• Produced by Eno and Lanois
• Engineered by Richard Rainey, assisted by Chris Heaney
• Additional engineering by Declan Gaffney and Carl Glanville
• Mixed by Lanois and Gaffney, assisted by Tom Hough, Dave Clauss, and Dave Emery

The individual band member credits are the same as usual. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 16:41, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Also, in regards to citing the Composition secton; though "City" used MusicNotes and the Hal Leonard book for things such as chord and key changes, for elements such as timings we just used the album itself. That had no objections, so it would probably be fine here as well. This is the one that was used for "City": <ref name="album notes">{{cite album-notes |title=No Line on the Horizon |albumlink=No Line on the Horizon |bandname=[[U2]] |year=2009 |publisher=[[Island Records]] |format=CD}}</ref> MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 16:45, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Could you elaborate on the band member credits? I'm confused if Eno and The Edge played keyboards/piano at all, and I'd like to confirm what Lanois played on the track. Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 17:48, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

The ones listed above are all the ones present on the page for "Moment of Surrender". The band member credits are not listed on the individual song pages; they're the generic ones listed at the end of the booklet, so are identical to the Personnel section on No Line on the Horizon; sorry, the liner notes don't make any specific mention of who played what on each track; The Edge is credited with keyboards but that's for the whole album, not the one song, and there isn't really any info in there on what Lanois did. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 18:34, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

"With or Without You" composition

There are four different sheet musics for "With or Without You" on the website. The first says it is played in a key of D/D-major (I think it's the same thing?) at a speed of 110 bpm. The second is identical to the first, but is several pages shorter making me think it must be abbreviated, or is only a partial sample (cutting out some of the intro and most of the outro probably). The third says it is played in a key of Eb "Moderately" (no exact speed is given). The fourth is third to say it is in a key of D, but at a speed of 112 bpm. No indications of tempo are given for numbers 1, 2, or 4. Of the four samples I think that the first (link) and the fourth (link) are the most likely to be correct; I'm not sure how much difference 2 bpm makes, but number 1 is probably the one to go for. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 17:01, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

The studio version certainly played in D (aka D major). The same chord progression repeats all the way thru. I once had the official (out of print?) 1987 guitar/songbook for the JT. Could play almost the whole album on guitar and piano. Probably in boxes somewhere in my mother's attic. --Merbabu (talk) 11:58, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

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Help request

Given your experience with the FAC process as related to baseball articles (woo Mariano Rivera, my favorite player!) would you mind stopping by the FAC for 2009 World Series? The prior FAC went stale and failed with limited reviews, I'd love to get this one going ASAP to try and ensure passage! Thanks for all your work, regardless of if you have the time. Staxringold _talk^contribs 20:04, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll definitely take a look at the article over the next few days. Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 20:55, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

• I think someone is owed a Copyeditor's Barnstar when this is all done. :) Staxringold _talk^contribs 18:18, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate it! It would be great to see this article make FAC - I don't know that my bias as a Yankees fan will allow me to weigh in one way or the other, but I'd like to think my assistance will help the article down the path to FAC support. Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 18:41, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

• I think you can support/oppose at this point without the appearance of bias. You've given a comprehensive run-down of the article, it's not like you're some 4 edit account (all to Derek Jeter adding things about how awesome he is) voting "SUPPORT! GO YANKEES WOOOOO! 28 IN 2010 WOOOO!" Staxringold _talk^contribs 20:30, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

• Added that stuff, sorry it took a couple extra days! Staxringold _talk^contribs 02:41, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks for striking the solved issues, anything else I can do? Staxringold _talk^contribs 14:42, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

• Just a few days ago, I was finding some instances where players were overlinked or insufficiently linked, depending on where in the article they were mentioned. For example, a specific game summary had not linked a player except for the box score. In another game summary, a player was linked twice. Best thing to do is review each player mentioned in the article and make sure they are linked when they should be. Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 13:29, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Presenting...

		The Special Barnstar
		A very overdue acknowledgement of your extensive, long-standing work of excellence on the U2 topic including major research-based expansions, organsational/structural changes, (extreme!) attention to detail, and diligent maintenance work. Don't stop! regards --Merbabu (talk) 03:48, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the recognition. I'm sorry for our little spat - it's unfortunate it had to happen, but I think we're more aware now of the things we need to do to continue collaborating. I'll work on being a little more civil in the future. Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 12:47, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Moment of Surrender

The article Moment of Surrender, which you nominated for WP:GA has been reviewed. There are a few minor issues that need to be addressed before the article can be promoted. Lampman (talk) 04:53, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

I've made the changes you suggested. Please let me know if anything else is necessary. Thanks! Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 19:50, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

2009 World Series

		The Copyeditor's Barnstar
		Regardless of the stale FAC, you've done some fantastic work clean up the monolith of an article that is the 2009 World Series! Staxringold talkcontribs 00:01, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Hey, thanks! I appreciate it. I thought the article was pretty near supporting for FAC, but I kept finding little things to fix. Rather than oppose, I kept delaying making an official stand either way so I could fix them. Hope you understand. Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 14:31, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

• Absolutely. Hopefully third time's the charm. And as always there's a selfish benefit, I'll get the 100 Wikicup points in a more useful round. :P Staxringold _talk^contribs 08:10, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Achtung Baby

I would be glad too, but I am unable to contribute to Wikipedia until the end of the month due to outside pressing obligations. I would strongly recommend holding off on a FAC nom until then. WesleyDodds (talk) 23:13, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

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WikiProject U2 revival

Since we've had a lot of activity going on lately with the U2-related articles, I've decided to revive WikiProject U2. It had great potential at first, but never went anywhere, but now I think it could do us a lot of good since there's been a lot of activity. I reformatted the page at WP:WikiProject U2, so feel free to help out and give any input you have. –Dream out loud (talk) 22:13, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

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Re: Quote

Actually, that's a much better quote. I wouldn't be adverse to having that instead, since as you say it is more representative of the whole album. Melicans (talk, contributions) 22:47, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

2009 World Series

Think it's finally ready for another FAC? Staxringold _talk^contribs 16:56, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for not getting back, I've been busy. I haven't looked at it since the last FAC failed, so let me look at it sometime in the next week and let you know what I think. Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 17:51, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

One quick comment: in the citation templates, I would Wikilink the authors when they have articles for them (e.g. Gene Wojciechowski, Jayson Stark). Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 01:31, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject U2 in the Signpost

WikiProject Report would like to focus on WikiProject U2 for a Signpost article to be published this month. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Also, if you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. -Mabeenot (talk) 02:34, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Oy Vey, Baby

I was randomly browsing through the {{find}} results for Achtung Baby on Google and came across this interesting tidbit about David Bowie: "Tin Machine II, however, was not quite the last gasp of Bowie's band project: the band released a live album, Oy Vey, Baby, in 1992. The live album consists primarily of songs taken from both of Tin Machine's studio albums. The unusual Yiddish title is a takeoff on U2's Achtung Baby." Given how influential and notable Bowie is, this may well be worth adding to the article. My first thought was that Legacy would be the place to sneak it in, but there doesn't seem to be a particularly good location in there for it to be mentioned (not without breaking down the flow anyways). Since you know the article better than I do, I figured that I'd drop you this line with the info so that you could squeeze it in there somehow. Cheers, Melicans (talk, contributions) 12:31, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Good find! I'll try to work it into the Legacy section and see how it works. Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 12:52, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Achtung baby

I will be back editing fully at the end of the month. The reasons for my absences have been sudden and unexpected, but I really do want to contribute to the article. WesleyDodds (talk) 09:19, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks - I was hoping for your contributions, so this would be great. Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 13:03, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

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Closing Time

Not post-grunge? You've heard the song right? The quiet-loud-quiet format alone should give you an indication that it's cleaned up radio friendly grunge. In fact that description fits better than alternative rock (modern rock is more accurate). Anyways, you wanted a source so here's allmusic.com's "Post Grunge" page.[1]. "Top songs" has Closing Time, just after 3AM by Matchbox Twenty. --Yankees76 (talk) 21:37, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

A quiet/loud/quiet/loud dynamic can apply to any genre of music. Not just post-grunge... dance-pop or jazz, too. And if I'm interpreting that page correctly, it's showing the most commercially successful songs by artists that are labeled post-grunge. Maybe Semisonic is a post-grunge band, but "Closing Time" ain't a post-grunge song. You'd need a source much more concrete than that. Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 23:36, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Like I said, the song more closely resembles pop rock: see the Sacramento Bee - [2] Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 23:40, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

I think a third party needs to be involved - the source is clearly a reliable source and your interpretation is certainly not accurate. Where does it say most commercially successful? Most post-grunge bands only managed one hit, except Matchbox Twenty and their most commercially successful song is Bent, not 3AM as is listed on the allmusic post-grunge list - so that theory isn't relevent. Per WP:V the threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—whether readers can check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether editors think it is true. So wether or not you "think" it's a post grunge song shouldn't be coming into play here. It's labeled post-grunge, as indicated by a reliable source so I'm reverting your change. --Yankees76 (talk) 17:09, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

I agree that allmusic is a reliable source; then again, you could probably find another reasonable source that classifies it differently. In that case, it wouldn't hurt to list it under multiple genre's, since there is rarely universal agreement as to what genre a song/band falls under (as is the case for the Semisonic article). OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 17:20, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

The Allmusic page lists "3AM" as a post-grunge song, which is absolutely hilarious and highly dubious (it's practically a pop rock song!) - which is why I interpret that page as listing the biggest albums and songs by "post-grunge" bands, not necessarily the biggest post-grunge albums and post-grunge songs. Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 17:34, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

But that's just your POV. I'm glad you think it's hilarious - but it's still just your opinion, and we're not building an encyclopedia based on peoples opinions on subjects.

It's a common argument with numerous band and song articles between editors over what genre or sub-genre it is and 90% of it is opinion based - some people thing so and so is metal, but another guy thinks it's pop or pop metal, or so and so isn't punk etc etc.. This time there is actually a reliable source however, so reverting it on personal tastes really needs to be avoided. The song can probably fit multiple genres including post grunge, modern rock, alternative rock and just rock. Still the song itself fits the description of post grunge - "a derivative of grunge, utilizing the sounds and aesthetic of grunge, but with a more commercially acceptable sound" more than pop-rock "an "upbeat variety of rock music represented by artists such as Elton John, Paul McCartney, The Everly Brothers, Rod Stewart, Chicago, and Peter Frampton." The distortion used on the chorus and guitar "solo", not to mention the "quiet-loud-quiet-loud" song structure that was previously made notable by Nirvana, the Pixies and hundreds of copy cat grunge bands in the early 90's is enough to at least warrant the search for sources. If anything this was the song that gives Semisonic the post-grunge label, as most of their other "hits" or songs they're known for (Secret Smile, Singing In My Sleep) sounded nothing like it. --Yankees76 (talk) 17:38, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

If you want to find another reference that calls that song "post-grunge", then fine. But that list is a bunch of hullaballoo - an acoustic pop rock song like Sugar Ray's "Every Morning" is on that list. So is Barenaked Ladies' "One Week". Simply put, these aren't post-grunge songs. Allmusic does not categorize individual songs by genre - it only handles artists and albums. So using this list as a reference doesn't seem valid to me. Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 17:45, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Regardless of your opinion of the list, Allmusic is a notable and well-established source used frequently in Wikipedia. Genre identification is always a gray area; when in doubt, list several and provided well-known sources to back them up. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 17:53, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm not opposing Allmusic itself, just that page within Allmusic. Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 18:03, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Because it doesn't fit your definition of "post grunge"? How long have you been editing here? You know that carries no weight and it's not NPOV. Post grunge was added to the song's page by someone other than myself, so clearly I'm not the only person who doesn't find that far fetched - I just found the source that backs it up when it was asked for. I personlly can see why it's post-grunge, but the piano and effeminate vocals do give a pop sensibility as well. The Allmusic list is a reliable source - it's not up to us to determine wether it's accurate or not. There aren't exactly 100's of sources out there that list songs and their labels. I'm starting to question why each song, album and band needs a label on Wikipedia. This isn't the 70's anymore with clear cut musical genres.

By the way, post-grunge is not just limited to bands that openly copy grunge bands like Creed Nickelback, Godsmack or Bush or even spin offs of Seattle bands like Foo Fighters - post-grunge are also bands that took what grunge was doing and made it over-produced and mainstream in the late 1990's after the height of the original grunge movement. They dressed grung(y), they had angsty or weird/cryptic lyrics, they distorted their guitars somewhat and they generally had one or two hits before they faded out. Bands like Candlebox, Dishwalla, Matchbox Twenty, Moist, The Verve Pipe, Better than Ezra and Local H - they're also post grunge the same way that the Posies and Alice in Chains can both be labeled "grunge" even though one was power pop and the othe closer to metal than grunge. But again, that's my opinion, and that stays out of articles....--Yankees76 (talk) 18:13, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm familiar with grunge/post-grunge, thank you. I just find it a little disarming that you are willing to ignore reason and rational thinking and submit to using the Allmusic "post-grunge song" page without considering how the list was compiled. I won't debate most of those songs, but when there's entries like "Every Morning" on there, it really makes me question whether this can be considered an accurate source of genres. Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 18:28, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

You shouldn't be debating any of those songs. The reality is it's not for Wikipedia to make pronouncements about what songs may be correctly or incorrectly labeled as post-grunge on a well established, frequently cited site that is solely dedicated to reviewing and categorizing music. Our only job here is to reflect what is listed. If you disagree, contact them to make your case or make your case here and get consensus that all of Allmusic be disallowed as a reliable source on Wikipedia. --Yankees76 (talk) 18:38, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

If you blindly want to accept whatever Allmusic says as fact, that's your prerogative. Like I've already said, Allmusic does not classify individual songs by genre - they do artists and albums, and anything more specific is merely a leap of faith. Surely, if this is a "post-grunge" song, there is at least one other source out there that can verify this? Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 18:47, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Not blindly, don't put words in my mouth - I've made my points above. In fact I've made a better case for keeping it than you have at removing it or disallowing Allmusic altogether. Just because they don't classify songs by genre (as each song doesn't have it's own article) isn't basis to discredit them based on one Wikipedia editors personal opinion or original research. How many sources does Wikipedia require for something like this? Or more accurately, how many other songs genres are being challenged that they not only need one reliable source, but two? --Yankees76 (talk) 18:59, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Just a heads up, I've added this discussion to the articles talk page and opened and RFC. --Yankees76 (talk) 19:37, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Good idea - this discussion is probably better suited for one of the music projects. I've seen references thrown out before on grounds that the information was disputed or not believe to be reliable, even if the website/publication itself was. So I'm not trying to disqualify Allmusic entirely by any means. I just believe this list is hastily assembled. Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 19:42, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough - genres for post late 90's-present music is difficult to source however - and post-grunge is paintbrush that was used on alot of bands and alot of songs. I think finding a source as well-known/respected as allmusic for this will be difficult. Sources like Rolling Stone or NME don't exactly have lists of songs with the genre listed beside them. BTW Billboard calls it "pure pop", so I'm going to add it to the list with the citation [3]. You cool with that? --Yankees76 (talk) 19:51, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

???

You know a lot more about reading music than I do; is this edit legit, or is it made in error by the IP? Melicans (talk, contributions) 03:02, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure of the source where the music note info came from, as there isn't a reference until the Allmusic review (which definitely will not discuss music notes). I'm not sure if it is D or D-flat, but if I'm reading the Music Manual of Style properly, it says that we should use subscripts to indicate degree. While we're on the topic, for the introduction's chord progression, do you know what the letter note equivalent of the roman numerals is? I feel like it would be easier to understand if we had the letters (e.g. imprecisely, D-G-D-G-Bm-A-D). Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 03:41, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but I know very little about reading music; I have no clue what the letter note equivalent would be. =( Melicans (talk, contributions) 21:08, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Media review for Achtung Baby FAC

Hi. Sure, I'd be happy to do one. Best, Dan.—DCGeist (talk) 02:00, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Paul Kelly (musician)

FAC had been archived before I could reply to your comments. I would still like your thoughts on my responses, could you reply at the article's talkpage. Thank you for your original comments and I hope a second attempt at FAC will be successful.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 10:23, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Bracketed ellipses

[4] Not according to the "With square brackets" paragraph of WP:ELLIPSIS. "Normally" can't mean "if they werent in the original reference" because the normal function of an ellipsis is to shorten the original reference. Art LaPella (talk) 22:32, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Re ANI on 173.32.162.12

With vandals like that, you can just report them to WP:AIV. --Ronz (talk) 00:50, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I will use that next time. Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 00:59, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Mo

Congrats! Looks great on the Main Page. Staxringold _talk^contribs 03:59, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I almost missed that this was going to be a TFA! It wasn't nominated, but rather chosen by the TFA admin, so I wasn't aware until just 3 days ago that it was upcoming. I'm really, really happy with the way it turned out. Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 04:02, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

The Baseball Barnstar

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		For incredible work on Mariano Rivera. I am awarding you this barnstar. Mariano Rivera appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page as Today's featured article on June 29, 2010.--KANESUE 13:14, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Time Out Sydney at NLOTH

The original review was 2 stars out of 6, but when I checked it the other day as I modified the prose I saw that it had been changed to 2 out of 5. That sixth star may have been an accidental inclusion in the original review (6 does seem an odd sort of rating scale). Melicans (talk, contributions) 03:16, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

I noticed this after my edit was reverted. Very strange. Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk)

Mmm, very bizarre. BTW, congrats on the promotion of Achtung Baby; the article looks great. Melicans (talk, contributions) 05:01, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. For a while there, I wasn't sure if I was going to have to go back to the drawing board with the composition section or not! Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 19:28, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Mo caption

I really don't like the caption "Rivera had his weakest season as closer in 2007" on Mariano Rivera's page. I mean, yes it was the only season his numbers appear mortal, but that caption doesn't sit right with me. It suggests he was really bad, when his ERA was in the 3's, and his WHIP only slightly above 1. Since you do most of the work on this page, I wanted to see if we could brainstorm a better caption. --Muboshgu (talk) 19:23, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Actually, it probably doesn't make much sense the way the picture is captioned/organized with the prose. It's a 2007 photo, but it's directly next to the 2006 season summary, and mentions his 2007 performance in the caption, which might confuse the reader. I think I am just going to revert to the previous caption. Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 19:27, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Roger Waters

I appreciate your input and help, so thanks for helping to improve the article. Having said that, do you have any sources for your statements

• "Following tensions over his increasingly dominant role in the group, Waters left Pink Floyd in 1984"

• "and began a legal battle with the remaining band members over use of the "Pink Floyd" name and their songs."

Waters never wanted to use the name Pink Floyd, and I am not aware of a source that states he left "Following tensions over his increasingly dominant role in the group"

As I said before, Gilmour himself said there was no dominance untill The Final Cut, I can provide sources should you disagree. --GabeMc (talk) 00:55, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

• "Following tensions over his increasingly dominant role in the group, Waters left Pink Floyd in 1984..."

This statement, it seems to me, is a contentious unsourced one about a living person.

--GabeMc (talk) 01:17, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Nice work with the lede, thanks again for your help. --GabeMc (talk) 20:23, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I've made a seris of edits to address the issues you had with the pictures. Let me know if you think it is corrected yet. --GabeMc (talk) 23:21, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I think it looks much better now. You kept the best photos while not taking attention away from the article's prose. Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 02:00, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, thanks again for your input, you made great suggestions. What do you think about the overall content now? --GabeMc (talk) 01:36, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

I think overall, the article is very good. My only critique would be that in some places, it reads too much like a timeline (e.g. "In 1995"... "In 2000"... "In 2005"...), but this can be fixed, since the notability of the events discussed has already been defined. Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 13:09, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree with your timeline critique 100%. Any suggestions/and or help fixing this would be appreciated. --GabeMc (talk) 20:55, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

• I believe I have addressed your concerns with the article and we could use your further input at the Roger Waters FAC. — GabeMc (talk) 04:24, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Billboard charts

I noticed you're having the same problem with the Billboard charts that I've run into recently. That is, that since their last update a lot of chart positions are just plain wrong. A serious pain, I tell you. It's funny how Allmusic has a better accounting of their charts than Billboard itself has these days. WesleyDodds (talk) 09:46, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

It's unbelievable that how thru all of the updates that were made to their website, their raw data must have been changed. I'm not sure how they could let this happen. In this case, both Allmusic and Billboard are wrong, so I can't say anything different about Allmusic. Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 11:41, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Loveless

It is quite a big difference, because as originally written in British English, single quotes are used for album titles. The quotations should be preserved as much as possible. WesleyDodds (talk) 22:28, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

FTC of U2

On the nomination page you stated it is a Good Topic nomination, but it is listed at Featured Topics; not sure if it was listed in error or if there was a typo, but I figured I'd let you know. Melicans (talk, contributions) 21:09, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

The Featured Topic Nominations page actually handles both Good Topics and Featured Topics, so I don't think I did anything incorrectly - if I did, feel free to let me know. Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 21:29, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Sarajevo concert

I know that you're probably focused on Zoo TV Tour right now, but I want to get U2's 1997 concert in Sarajevo up to FA as soon as possible; with the FAC for "Slug" being withdrawn and archived today, I'd be able to put it up in two weeks (given the new FAC rules to wait 2 weeks between noms). Given how much we've worked together on it, we'd both be listed as nominators, which could have an affect on how soon you want to get Zoo TV Tour up there. Are you game for it? Melicans (talk, contributions) 22:55, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

The Zoo TV Tour article probably won't limit availability too much. I'd be happy to pick things back up on the "1997 concert in Sarajevo" article with you. We probably be best served trying to figure out what the first step to take is (e.g. copyedit, finding sources, etc). Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 23:20, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Source-wise I think we're mostly okay; we may need to find a replacement for the one U2Gigs ref, but most of what we have is taken from print sources, which the FAC crowd love. Beyond that, just making sure that the links are still active and archiving them for future use is probably all that's needed there. I just gave the article a read, and for the most part it seems pretty good prose-wise. There are a couple things that could be tweaked but nothing major jumped out at me; the FAC would honestly probably be a better place for covering that than PR would (never had much luck with improvement on that aspect in that venue). Melicans (talk, contributions) 23:34, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

your question on the dutch discussion page

I think this is the book you are looking for.

http://webgld.blauwebrug.nl/cgi-bin/bx.pl?dcat=1&woord=Slooten,%20Johan%20van&titcode=SLOALBU9999&ingang=S&vv=JJ&systeem=*&event=tdetail&sid=869f367cee650d936770d89e9a1999bb&groepfx=80&vestnr=9511&prt=internet&cdef=204&srvnum=004&taal=1&sn=31

I guess I can get it from my library. You're still interested?

kind regards.

Jeroen Baten jeroen at no spam needed i2rs dot no spam needed nl —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.213.47.11 (talk) 07:39, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks so much for responding - someone else actually found the book at their library and posted the information we needed (see Talk:Achtung Baby). Thank you, though! Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 13:23, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Peer review/Zoo TV Tour/archive1

Just wanted to let you know that I made some comments at the peer review - sorry it took so long. I thought the article read well and seemed pretty much ready for FAC - might want to get a second set of eyes to proof read it. After I read and reviewed it, I dreamed I was walking outside by a stadium at night where U2 were playing the song "All That You Can't Leave Behind" (even in my dreams I couldn't get a ticket ;-) ). Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 13:15, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the review, I appreciate it. BTW, do you mean the song "Walk On"? There is no such song as "All That You Can't Leave Behind" (that's the album). Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 18:08, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes, sorry - I knew the lyrics contained that phrase and assumed the song was named that too. While I own several U2 albums, you can guess at least one I do not own ;-) Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 03:26, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Sir Lucious Left Foot header

I reverted your change to the "Music" header. Music is a general term for an art whose medium is sound, produced by instruments, singing/rapping, and most people associate what albums have as simply "music". Even WP:Albums refers to "a specific album of music" in its lead prose. While "Composition" looks a little more sophisticated and all, its definition is a little vague to what that section is about. I know lately a lot of the FA or Ga articles have been getting section titles, but it seems more like a style concern. Dan56 (talk) 06:27, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

I opened a post at the talk page trying to explain myself a little more. Dan56 (talk) 10:17, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Soundgarden genre

It's pretty obvious to me that you haven't listened to much Soundgarden. Soundgarden is grunge NOT metal. We must be listening to 2 different bands. I'm talking about the band that did songs like Outshined, Fell On Black Days, Black Hole Sun, Spoonman, Let Me Drown, My Wave, Burden In My Hand and Blow Up The Outside World. That is the Soundgarden I'm talking about and NONE of those songs are metal. --Jimv1983 (talk) 18:29, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

I know who Soundgarden is and I know what they sound like. I also know that many reliable external third-party sources have compared their style to metal. And that trumps whatever you may think the band sounds like. Your opinion is not verifiable or reliable, and thus, is not relevant. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 18:31, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

What do you conciser "reliable external third-party sources". None of those songs I listed sound like metal at all. --Jimv1983 (talk) 21:58, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for updating the Soundgarden genre to something more accurate. I do propose 2 more changes.
1. Remove alternative metal as they have never been know for being a metal band despite what allmusic or metacritic says.
2. At the very least put Grunge ahead of alternative metal as grunge is what they are really known for. Ask someone to name a famous grunge band and the 4 most common response are Nirvana, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam and Alice in Chains. They were called the big four for a reason. I don't know anyone who would answer Soundgarden when asked to name a famous metal band. I can't even image what Chris Cornell doing metal would sound like.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=the+big+four+of+grunge
http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59149&page=2
http://boards.ign.com/teh_vestibule/b5296/177300911/r177300987/
http://www.90srockers.com/top5.php
http://listverse.com/2009/06/17/10-notable-grunge-bands/
http://rock.about.com/od/top10lists/tp/Most-Influential-Seattle-Bands.htm
http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/listoftheday/128290/the-25-best-grunge-bands/
http://www.amazon.com/Most-Essential-Grunge-Recordings/lm/RZDMZ1UZL434O/ref=cm_srch_res_rpli_alt_3
http://bbs.pearl-jam.net/showthread.php?t=5632
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080911233504AAbZjki
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY2_uapfnmQ

These sources are just peoples opinions much the same way allmusic and metacritic are peoples opinions. I think we can both agree that the above links aren't exactly "reliable". However, they do show a wide range of people see Soundgarden as grunge not metal. No matter what source you use it's gonna be based on someones opinion. It might be the opinion of some random fan, it may be the opinion of someone who happens to be employed by some "reliable" source. It's still that one persons opinion. Not only is it my opinion but until today I have never meet anyone who thought Soundgarden was anything else but grunge. Since the genre is just someones opinion it should follow the opinion of the majority. --Jimv1983 (talk) 22:59, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Roger Waters

Waters passed GAN, thanks for your thoughtful suggestions, they did indeed improve the article and contribute to it's achievement of GA status. — GabeMc (talk) 03:25, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Is there anything else preventing your support? — GabeMc (talk) 22:25, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Not having time to review the article again has probably been the biggest reason I haven't responded back yet. I'll try to do that this week. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 14:20, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Humourous

This is a typo in any dialect of English. Can you please undo your edit? --John (talk) 18:25, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

It's ok, I did it for you. Please be more careful. Thanks. --John (talk) 18:40, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

It's not a typo: [5] Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 20:31, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

It is a typo; Wiktionary is not a reliable source for spelling. Show me a real dictionary which recommends this spelling in the post-1800 era, please. --John (talk) 02:24, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Roger Waters

Per your repeated undoing of my image sizing, please read WP:MOSIMAGES, there is no reason for you to patrol the upright feature, and you are asserting a personal preference on the article when you do so. Please leave the image sizing alone on Roger Waters. — GabeMc (talk) 20:22, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

I fail to distinguish between what I was changing it to being a personal preference and your changes not being a personal preference. What is wrong with the default upright value? Why do you feel the need to set it at all? There doesn't seem to be a reason for doing so, in my opinion. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 20:27, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

I fail to see your reason for undoing so. The MoS allows for it, so your preference of not changing image size to suit the article is not in keeping with the MoS, while my preference of deciding on an image by image basis is. From WP:MOSIMAGE:

• An option such as "|300px|" resizes the image to the specified width in pixels, and "upright=1.2" (or "|frameless|upright=1.2" for plain pictures) resizes an image to approximately the given multiple of a user's preferred width.

At Wikipedia:Layout#Images

• An image that would otherwise overwhelm the available text space on a 800×600 window should be shrunk, or formatted as a panorama. It is a good idea to try to maintain visual coherence by aligning the sizes of images and templates on a given page. — GabeMc (talk) 21:46, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

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Achtung Baby

I am working on standardizing the references to the German certification database, especially since they changed the location and format (again). On your edit you said "that fix just breaks the entire citation...." I now used the parameters to make it cite the exact location, but could you please be more specific on what was the problem before I added the parameters? I couldn't see anything wrong with it. Perhaps you could comment on {{Cite gold platin}} in general. --Muhandes (talk) 14:23, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

I didn't realize this was a real template - seems kinda unnecessary, if you ask me. But when I tried to search for the "cite gold platin" template, I couldn't find anything. My mistake. In any case, I'm not so convinced that this template won't be deleted, since it's more or less just a specific usage of "cite web". If everyone created a template to quicken their usage of "cite web" for every website, Wikipedia would get completely bogged down in template-cruft. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 14:32, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

There are three reasons for this. First, this is the second time they change site format. Last time I had to do 500 page edits to fix the broken refs. Next time they do that, we just edit the template. Second, standardization. I only edited maybe 50 articles so far, and this website is cited in 25 different ways. Third, and maybe most important, perhaps you didn't notice that you can now enter the artist and title, and the template will provide the link for you? I'd bet you 99.99% of the editors didn't even know you can do that. That's much more than just "specific usage of cite web". Isn't the current link much better than the previous one? Thanks for the feedback. --Muhandes (talk) 14:40, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

"Slug"

Within the next few days I intend to nominate "Slug" at FAC for a second time. I would appreciate any feedback/comments/etc. that you might be able to provide given the trouble it went through on the last occasion. Melicans (talk, contributions) 18:56, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Sure thing. I'll do some copyediting the next chance I get and let you know if I encounter anything worth reviewing. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 19:30, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Many thanks. Melicans (talk, contributions) 22:20, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

I have nominated the article at FAC. Melicans (talk, contributions) 22:26, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

How dare you remove my photo!

I feel most insulted!

Just kidding, :-P. I'll be the first to admit that my photography generally isn't clear enough. So long as the screen, the cars, and my best friend get to stay, I'm good! :-P Melicans (talk, contributions) 17:58, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

I know I've ruffled feathers before, namely WastedTime's, by removing images, so I didn't want to lop it off without recognizing it's still a great photo. Unless you have a top-of-the-line professional camera, I would dare to say any fault with your photography probably can be put squarely on the camera itself. Point-and-shoot cameras can only do so much in such extreme lighting situations. Even so, your photo of the screen pentograph is one of my favorites. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 20:42, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Hahah, yeah it's a pretty... average camera all in all. I'm amazed I managed to get as many decent shots of that night as I did, :-P. Melicans (talk, contributions) 23:05, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Miss Moppet

After The Story of Miss Moppet was promoted at FAC, it was discovered that the primary contributor had closely paraphrased or copied many sentences in many articles, and that in some cases facts presented were not backed up by the references cited. The user was indefinitely blocked as a sockpuppet of a banned user - for more details, please see Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/ItsLassieTime.

Truthkeeper88, with help from Ruhrfisch, has since made sure that the language used in Miss Moppet does not closely paraphrase or copy that in the original sources, and checked almost all of the sources used to make sure the facts cited are backed up by the sources. We are now asking all editors who contributed to the FAC to please review the article and comment at Talk:The Story of Miss Moppet#Post-FAC cleanup review comments on any concerns or issues they have with the current cleaned-up version of the article. Thanks in advance for any help, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 20:56, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Email

Can you fire off a quick email to me? I don't have your address and there's something that I want to discuss briefly with you. I don't see an "email this user" button on your profile or I'd just use that, but I have one enabled on my profile if you can get back to me. Melicans (talk, contributions) 22:30, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Double checking U2 quote

I'm working on The Joshua Tree and in the course of reading an archived version of the Rolling Stone article "Truths and Consequences" by Anthony DeCurtis, I was unable to find a quote that the U2 and The Joshua Tree articles have long had attributed to this article. The quote in question is the following:

"The wild beauty, cultural richness, spiritual vacancy and ferocious violence of America are explored to compelling effect in virtually every aspect of The Joshua Tree—in the title and the cover art, the blues and country borrowings evident in the music ... Indeed, Bono says that 'dismantling the mythology of America' is an important part of The Joshua Tree's artistic objective."

If you have archives to look through, can you double-check if this quote indeed comes from this article? Is it possible it came from another DeCurtis article in March titled "U2 releases The Joshua Tree"? Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 22:34, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

I see it is indeed not in the online version you linked to. However, it is in the book version I took it from (The Rolling Stone compendium of U2 articles). Without going thru paragraph by paragraph, I'm guessing online your online version is an abridged version (it starts off the same, but the online may not even be half as long). I'll change the reference to specifically mention the compendium. --Merbabu (talk) 00:41, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/All I Want for Christmas Is You/archive2

Hi :) I have fixed the issues you mentioned at the FAC. Please check back. Thanks!--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 05:20, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

All done :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 04:45, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

I still see the issues with the chord progression being incomplete and the awkward "various drum notes" phrase. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 14:00, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi. Thank you for your additional little changes! So I removed a few lines from the last paragraph as you asked, so it isn't so bulky. Now I also addressed the drum notes thing. Also, 2 editors came and fixed the chord progressions thing. Thank you :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 23:24, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Great PopMart photos!

Sorry for not responding earlier. Glad you liked the pics. Unfortunately I don't have any for Zoo TV or any other tours. best wishes with your work. Ardfern (talk) 11:33, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Re: album reviews

I can check through my University's library once I'm back on campus in a few days. They may have something through the online database access. Are there any albums/reviews you're looking for specifically? Melicans (talk, contributions) 05:54, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you. I've done a few searches in the databases that I can think of, but have come up empty on those two reviews. Sorry! Melicans (talk, contributions) 14:00, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

"Mothers of the Disappeared" sheet music

Sorry, I missed the response you made a month and a half ago on the WikiProject's talk page. What I'm hoping to do is something like we did for "City of Blinding Lights" in the first two (or three if you count the lone sentence) paragraphs in Composition. Can you give me a quick email? I'll send you the details that way. Melicans (talk, contributions) 07:07, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

"Mothers" again

One thing confuses me about the edits to Composition. Part of it now reads At 2:41 Eno's keyboards enter, and the song begins to follow a D–D5–A5 chord progression, while Bono begins falsetto vocals.[7] The second verse then begins at 3:01. The lyrics end at 3:37, and the song returns to the chord progression of D–D5–A5. But how can it return to that progression if there's no indication that it ever left it? Melicans (talk, contributions) 23:56, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Maybe I wrote it confusingly, but I tried to explain (only once) that the verses have a specific chord progression. And I didn't want to repeat the specific progression so it didn't sound repetitive. I'll highlight part of the article to show you what I mean: The first verse begins at 1:28, and introduces the chord progression of A₅–E₅–F♯m–D–A₅, which is played in the verses. It could probably be improved through copyediting. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 14:05, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Ah, okay, I think I've got you now. Looks like I just misread it. Oops! Thanks again for adding that information for me. Melicans (talk, contributions) 16:52, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and I know you've been doing some work on The Joshua Tree; I found an interview with Paul McGuinness from late 2007 that talks about it and I think the remaster. If nothing else it is a good listen. Melicans (talk, contributions) 03:54, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

February 2011

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. In your recent edit to Black Swan (film), you added links to an article which did not add content or meaning, or repeated the same link several times throughout the article. Please see Wikipedia's guideline on links to avoid overlinking. Thank you. Cind.amuse 06:33, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. In your recent edit to Black Swan (film), you added links to an article which did not add content or meaning, or repeated the same link several times throughout the article. Please see Wikipedia's guideline on links to avoid overlinking. Thank you. Do not repeat wikilinks for cast members when linked previously in the same article prose. Please see WP:LINKING to avoid overlinking. Applying wikilinking based on other articles is not applicable. The official Manual of Style guideline is clear. See also WP:REPEATLINK. If you can provide conflicting guidelines that support your assumption that "cast sections" should not follow the guidelines, please let me know. Until then, please follow the official Wikipedia guidelines. Thank you. Cind.amuse 02:26, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm familiar with the guideline, there's no need to keep posting the standard boiler plate message on my talk page without making an effort to personally contact me. I don't know if you're tried looking at any of the FA articles for films, but they seem to conflict with what you are saying. The cast section always has the entire cast linked. It makes sense, too. That's the most relevant section to list everyone involved in the movie. Furthermore, the overlink guideline suggests avoiding repetitious links, except if there is a large gap between mentions of the subject or if the link is particularly relevant. As the article stood, the main cast were not linked in the body of the article at all, and the cast section linking was the first time the actors/actresses were linked in the article body. I don't know why you insist on going with your version when multiple people are changing it for valid reasons.... Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 04:10, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

• My personal message is within the boiler plate message above. Regardless of the format in the FA articles, the official Manual of Style guideline is clear. The FA articles as assessed by another editor is not the standard by which we measure quality. Quality resides in compliance with Wikipedia policies and guidelines. The wikilinking of the cast section for individuals linked above is a violation of Wikipedia guidelines. It matters not that you and another individual are unfamiliar with the guidelines. What is appropriate is compliance. That said, I'm not on Wikipedia to engage in arguments, but to offer guidance when I see individuals editing out of compliance with policies and guidelines. I've done that sufficiently, now moving on. It is up to you to either accept or reject the community standards. Best regards, Cind.amuse 04:40, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

It would be most useful, not to mention deliciously ironic, to have a boiler plate warning for those who boiler plate established long term editors. Or just a generic one explaining basic people skills - a boiler plate is the best way to get someone defensive, when presumably you'd like to influence them instead. And, as for the article in question, perhaps Cindamuse needs a boilerplate to remind of the 3 revert rule. --Merbabu (talk) 05:09, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

• I often wonder how much better the Wikipedia world would be if everyone assumed good faith. This is another one of those moments. My revisions were within guidelines for reverting vandalism, as clear violations of policy and guidelines and as such, not applicable to the 3RR rule. Additionally, while I certainly have not been as active as you have been, I am a long-established editor as well, with a bit more experience with Wikipedia policies and guidelines than Y2Kcrazyjoker4. That said, you should know by now that one editor is not above another, simply due to length of involvement. Your idea of creating a boiler plate template for those who address long-term editors is by far a violation of Wikipedia policies, as well as the spirit of editing in a community. Best regards, Cind.amuse 11:09, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

I said 2 things: (i) using standard boiler templates to communicate with long term editors (who like you, know the deal) is counter-productive. Your only making it hard for your own message to be accepted. Ultimately it's your problem if you can't communicate effectively. Just my opinion. And (ii) - I suggest you watch your 3RR. Alleged breaking of a guideline is not a free pass for 3RR. --Merbabu (talk) 12:23, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Cindamuse - the guidelines are written to offer flexibility, but you are being adamantly inflexible, which doesn't make much sense. Please read:

In general, link only the first occurrence of an item. There are exceptions to this guideline, including these:

• where the later occurrence is a long way from the first.
• where the first link is in an infobox, navbox or similar meta-content.
• where the links are in a table or in a list, as each row should stand on its own.

Notice that there is no hard-and-fast rule anywhere. It's a guideline. A guideline that other articles on Wikipedia (most prominently, FA that have been through several rounds of review and approval for just these types of items) must also follow. Again, I don't see how the names are overlinked anyways - the cast section was the first time they were being linked in the body of the article, which doesn't remotely constitute overlinking. The fact that you are meeting opposition from everyone editing the article should signal something... Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 05:18, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

• I've read the guidelines. They don't support your assumptions about sections pertaining to cast participants. You are reading the guidelines and paraphrasing to support your own ideals. If you could actually provide guidelines that support wikilinking cast sections, that would certainly support your claims. Until then, it's simply asserting your opinion and point of view. That said, I am quite flexible and have made it clear that it's not an important issue to me and have walked away from the article, as I clearly stated above. Seriously, I have no desire to argue with you. I apologize if I've stressed you out in any way. It's all good. Happy editing! Thanks again, Cind.amuse 11:09, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Mariano Rivera

Just thought you should know (as the big time author of the article), that Mariano will be on the Main Page quite soon as the FP I nominated of Mo will be up shortly. Edit the caption here if you can see anything buggy about it! Staxringold _talk^contribs 19:28, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up! Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 18:41, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

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Edit conflict, my bad

Sorry, I accidentally removed one of your edits to Death of Osama bin Laden! Qrsdogg (talk) 14:54, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

No problem, it's basically a crapshoot trying to get any edits to actually take while there is so much traffic in the article. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 14:56, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Dire Straits copyvio

This isn't the best time for me to ask, though I must so I don't forget (I may be gone for a week or two-- illness) but I noticed your banner re: copyright violation on the Dire Straits article. I've done nothing more than add photos and some wikification, that kind of thing with all the band and member-related articles I touched... no real editing there, yet, with references. Can you leave a note on my talk page and let me know where the text was copied from? I'll try to get to help with that, and some actual work on it when I am able. Just now, I'm adding photos I uploaded to Commons to articles so that I don't forget to do so entirely. Thanks.--Leahtwosaints (talk) 15:30, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

The Dark Side of the Moon

Due to your recent activity editing The Dark Side of the Moon, I was wondering if you wouldn't mind taking just a minute to add your opinion to the discussion at Talk:The Dark Side of the Moon#Why must an unreleased EMI remaster be mentioned?. Thank you, Dismas|^(talk) 01:26, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

July 2011

Welcome to Wikipedia. I have noticed that some of your recent genre changes, such as the one you made to Fat Bottomed Girls, have conflicted with our neutral point of view and verifiability policies. While we invite all users to contribute constructively to Wikipedia, we urge all editors to provide reliable sources for edits made. When others disagree, we recommend you to seek consensus for certain edits. Thank you. Friginator (talk) 21:01, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

File:U2 One.ogg

Can you explain your reversion of File:U2 One.ogg.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:21, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

I chose that specific section of the song with its inclusion in a relevant section of the Achtung Baby article in mind, specifically a section that discusses the dark, personal lyrics that relate a conversation between 2 people. And I did want the sample to be of the chord progression that The Edge composed which essentially led to the song's breakthrough (and subsequently that of the album). Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 05:30, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

AN/I

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Noom _talk ^stalk 22:48, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Response by Carnotaurus044

Hi there, first of all only other user (Newmoonbay) reverted my edit in the Muse main page, second my edits couldn't be subjetive since i'm providing references for all my genre changes, thus, is not like i'm a self apointed genre expert. If well it's true that this warring have keep me busy the last days, it definitively isn't the only things that i do here, just for start i was who improved the whole musical style section in Muse's main page, i improved the introduction paragraphs of Muse's "Black holes..." and "Absolution" album, i´ve improved the reviews & prose in the aforementioned albums and expanded reviews score in the origin of symmetry album too. i recently worked in the coldplay page too, and thats only on the last two weeks. Carnotaurus044 (talk) 23:01, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Support

I support you at Resistance.