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:Well, I think Miesianiacal is distorting the facts a little. First of all, I didn't resist coming here. I was fully willing to bring up the issue, but I didn't think I should until the users on the talk page felt that a proposed idea to change the Political infobox itself to include a colour icon of some sort was fully rejected. I thought were still discussing the topic, and therefore I didn't feel that it would be appropriate to bring up the issue if the users and I were going to pursue the change on a larger forum. |
:Well, I think Miesianiacal is distorting the facts a little. First of all, I didn't resist coming here. I was fully willing to bring up the issue, but I didn't think I should until the users on the talk page felt that a proposed idea to change the Political infobox itself to include a colour icon of some sort was fully rejected. I thought were still discussing the topic, and therefore I didn't feel that it would be appropriate to bring up the issue if the users and I were going to pursue the change on a larger forum. |
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:Second, the infobox template preferred by Miesianiacal (and Miesianiacal alone on the talk page might I add) is not used with everything he has listed. Here are the facts: |
:Second, the infobox template preferred by Miesianiacal (and Miesianiacal alone on the talk page might I add) is not used with everything he has listed. Here are the facts: |
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:'''Please note:''' I was the one who changed the infoboxes of the Australian and New Zealand prime ministers to the standardized one (my preference), but the users in both those countries seem to be absolutely fine with the move. |
:'''Please note:''' I was the one who changed the infoboxes of the Australian and New Zealand prime ministers to the standardized one (my preference), but the users in both those countries seem to be absolutely fine with the move. |
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:Now, here are the people who '''do''' use the template I prefer [[:Template:Infobox Political post]]: |
:Now, here are the people who '''do''' use the template I prefer [[:Template:Infobox Political post]]: |
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:a) All heads of government and heads of state (that are not a monarchs), so presidents, prime ministers, U.S. governors, chancellors, AND their cabinets (Example: U.S. Secretary of State, Australian Foreign Minister, British Foreign Secretary) '''use my preferred template''' |
:a) All heads of government and heads of state (that are not a monarchs), so presidents, prime ministers, U.S. governors, chancellors, AND their cabinets (Example: U.S. Secretary of State, Australian Foreign Minister, British Foreign Secretary) '''use my preferred template''' |
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:b) The countries with monarchs as head of state (Norway, Denmark, Japan, etc.) have the monarch using Miesianiacal's preferred template, BUT the prime minister or president, and government officials '''use my preferred template''' |
:b) The countries with monarchs as head of state (Norway, Denmark, Japan, etc.) have the monarch using Miesianiacal's preferred template, BUT the prime minister or president, and government officials '''use my preferred template''' |
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: What I am essentially trying to convey is that every political government official (not monarchs), so the presidents of the U.S., Mexico, Ireland, Germany, Italy and the prime ministers of Australia, the United Kingdom, France, Russia, and the ministers of foreign affairs of various countries, '''ALL use my preferred template.''' The list goes on. You can check every government official that is not a monarch on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_heads_of_state_and_government here], and you will see that they ALL use my preferred template. |
: What I am essentially trying to convey is that every political government official (not monarchs), so the presidents of the U.S., Mexico, Ireland, Germany, Italy and the prime ministers of Australia, the United Kingdom, France, Russia, and the ministers of foreign affairs of various countries, '''ALL use my preferred template.''' The list goes on. You can check every government official that is not a monarch on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_heads_of_state_and_government here], and you will see that they ALL use my preferred template. |
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:And those are just some. Every political infobox is the same. |
:And those are just some. Every political infobox is the same. |
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:Although, there is one that doesn't: '''Canada'''. That's right, Canada is the '''only''' country that uses this outdated infobox for its government officials, while all the other countries have remained consistent in using the [[:Template:Infobox Political post]] template. My main argument is CONSISTENCY. Wikipedia needs to be consistent, and for that to be accomplished, we need to have the same infobox for every political figure. Now, the question of if we really want to be consistent, shouldn't we change the infobox of the monarchs as well, will probably come up. Unfortunately, because all the monarchs use this template and it spans over so many countries, a lot of editors would have to be involved and the discussion would get very big. |
:Although, there is one that doesn't: '''Canada'''. That's right, Canada is the '''only''' country that uses this outdated infobox for its government officials, while all the other countries have remained consistent in using the [[:Template:Infobox Political post]] template. My main argument is CONSISTENCY. Wikipedia needs to be consistent, and for that to be accomplished, we need to have the same infobox for every political figure. Now, the question of if we really want to be consistent, shouldn't we change the infobox of the monarchs as well, will probably come up. Unfortunately, because all the monarchs use this template and it spans over so many countries, a lot of editors would have to be involved and the discussion would get very big. |
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:So, for a start at least, I am proposing that we stay consistent with all the political office articles on Wikipedia. |
:So, for a start at least, I am proposing that we stay consistent with all the political office articles on Wikipedia. |
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:Now, '''my''' issue is consistency and the fact that, to me, the old template looks outdated, but there are a number of issues outlined by '''other editors''' about the template Miesianiacal supports: |
:Now, '''my''' issue is consistency and the fact that, to me, the old template looks outdated, but there are a number of issues outlined by '''other editors''' about the template Miesianiacal supports: |
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:3. I do like the new layout, because I am not a fan of the to color lines under the title "Prime Minister of Canada", as the contrast does not meet our basic standers for color contrasts (My wife is color blind and she say's she sees no words in the 2 colored strips (see WP:CONTRAST). -Moxy |
:3. I do like the new layout, because I am not a fan of the to color lines under the title "Prime Minister of Canada", as the contrast does not meet our basic standers for color contrasts (My wife is color blind and she say's she sees no words in the 2 colored strips (see WP:CONTRAST). -Moxy |
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:The government officials of Wikipedia all use the [[:Template:Infobox Political post]] template, EXCEPT Canada. Why should Canada be left out? It simply doesn't make any sense. PLEASE LOOK AT [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_heads_of_state_and_government THIS.] I have the support of four editors (including me) to change the current template and use the '''standardized''' template that all of Wikipedia uses. There is one person who does not agree with me: Miesianiacal. He told me that four VS. one is not enough, and that I need to consensus of this talk page. So, I ask you, do you support my proposal to remain consistent will the rest of Wikipedia? I hope I have made my agreement clear, but if there is something you are not sure about, please don't hesitate to ask. I know that was long, so thank you for taking the time to read. [[Special:Contributions/174.7.90.110|174.7.90.110]] ([[User talk:174.7.90.110|talk]]) 05:42, 7 February 2012 (UTC) |
:The government officials of Wikipedia all use the [[:Template:Infobox Political post]] template, EXCEPT Canada. Why should Canada be left out? It simply doesn't make any sense. PLEASE LOOK AT [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_heads_of_state_and_government THIS.] I have the support of four editors (including me) to change the current template and use the '''standardized''' template that all of Wikipedia uses. There is one person who does not agree with me: Miesianiacal. He told me that four VS. one is not enough, and that I need to consensus of this talk page. So, I ask you, do you support my proposal to remain consistent will the rest of Wikipedia? I hope I have made my agreement clear, but if there is something you are not sure about, please don't hesitate to ask. I know that was long, so thank you for taking the time to read. [[Special:Contributions/174.7.90.110|174.7.90.110]] ([[User talk:174.7.90.110|talk]]) 05:42, 7 February 2012 (UTC) |
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New templateNew template for Inline tags (tags added at the end of sentences) has been created that may be useful to project members.Moxy (talk) 22:40, 16 January 2012 (UTC) Prime Ministers by the numbersMalarious (talk · contribs) made this edit to several articles on various PMs. It removed the order and unlinked Prime Minister of Canada saying that the order was "against WP:MOS, unused and clutter." That was then reverted by 117Avenue (talk · contribs), re-reverted by Malarious and reverted again by P.T. Aufrette (talk · contribs). None of the three appear to have made any attempt to discuss the matter. So I'm bringing it here for discussion. Should the order be in the box or not. One thing I would like a link to the part of the WP:MOS that forbids the use of it. I will notify the three editors. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 23:02, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
Halifax, Nova ScotiaI thought the discussion over Halifax, Nova Scotia was finished in December, I seemed to have triggered the discussion again. 117Avenue (talk) 19:53, 21 January 2012 (UTC) Eyeballs please Resolved – Wasn't as bad as I thought. Franamax (talk) 22:52, 25 January 2012 (UTC)Stepping AFK just now, but could some people have a look in on Thomas Mulcair? I think there may be some political spin entering here, outside views would be appreciated as to whether or not this article is being skewed by political operatives, given the obvious context of the NDP leadership campaign. Is there a stable version that could be reverted to and semi-protected to push discussion onto the talk page? Thanks! Franamax (talk) 00:47, 23 January 2012 (UTC) 2011 census results forthcomingI wasn’t on WP when the 2006 results were released. Was there any organized or coordinated effort by the community when that data was released? Is there a desire or need? Were there any discussions about formatting and/or content consistency, whether nationwide or provincially/territorially, for the census data updates to Canada’s thousands of community/geography-related articles and lists? Is there a desire or need? I'll place a notice of this thread at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Canadian communities. Hwy43 (talk) 20:31, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
I'm now reviewing the discussion that has transpired since this afternoon. To add to the ideas presented above, I've created the following list of Statistics Canada census subdivisions based on CSV downloads from the 2006 census that could be used as a starting point for identifying articles at the municipal (or municipal-equivalent) level. Hwy43 (talk) 06:07, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
The {{Canada census}} template has been updated with a 2011 column. -- P 1 9 9 • TALK 15:32, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
"Lac Portarè"?The inscription on File:Hang on to them - Lac Portare 1875.jpg seems to say "Lac Portarè", which doesn't exist, not to mention the fact that è doesn't make sense as the last letter. It's some Canadian lake, probably close to a Hudson's Bay Company fort. Any idea what it could be? Thanks. InverseHypercube 19:11, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
proposed move: Official Language Act (Quebec) → Bill 22See Talk:Official Language Act (Quebec)#Requested move (rationale and discussion). -- P.T. Aufrette (talk) 01:38, 29 January 2012 (UTC) hot chicken sandwichI'm trying to properly source the traditional Canadian dish "hot chicken sandwich" for wiktionary. Can anyone help? wikt:WT:Requests_for_verification#hot_chicken_sandwich (it's called "hot chicken" in French... which also needs sourcing; and probably the related sauce used on the sandwiches "hot chicken sauce") 70.49.124.157 (talk) 09:36, 29 January 2012 (UTC) River CanardI recently made an edit to a variety of paragraphs relating to this subject. The text appearing in Wikipedia relating to Family Clan Government, Economic Development and Automotive Riots do not seem based in any published history on the area. References to spaghetti trees, muskrat farming Beneteau/Bondy feuding, etc. appear to be a fabrication. Hence the reference to a well-known historical text of the area. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1978J10 (talk • contribs) 16:23, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
Request for assistanceIt's been brought to my attention that there may be a significant WP:COI edit war going on at Peggy Nash, for the obvious timely reasons. I've editprotected the page for the time being, but due to the scope of the problem it may take a few editors to sort out what's worthwhile editing and what's tendentious POV-pushing from people who are either pro- or anti- her leadership campaign. Any takers? Bearcat (talk) 06:09, 30 January 2012 (UTC) Proposal to Re-name Official Language Act (Quebec)There is a proposal on the Talk page of this article to re-name it - comments welcome. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 16:10, 31 January 2012 (UTC) Science and Technology
Template changeAn editor, 174.7.90.110 (talk · contribs), has just changed multiple instances of {{Infobox minister office}} to {{Infobox Political post}}. I'm not sure that it's a improvement but what does anyone else think. They also added the COA which in some cases didn't have a fair use rationale. I got some but there may be more. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 11:47, 4 February 2012 (UTC) Nova Scotia , Misleading information,(Unconcored ) Mikmaq nationThe MikMaq nation was not concored , but made friendship treatys. (Ian ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.44.92.112 (talk) 16:56, 5 February 2012 (UTC) Canadian political office/governors/monarch article infoboxesAn anonymous editor has expressed a desire to change the infobox presently used (or used until the anon changed it) on articles about Canadian ministries from Template:Infobox minister office to Template:Infobox Political post. His case is based on a desire for alignment with equivalent articles for other countries, which mostly use Template:Infobox Political post, if they have an infobox at all. However, Template:Infobox minister office is part of an infobox system coded to deliniate between federal and provincial/state ministers, federal and provincial/state governors, and the federal and provincial/state crowns; a system that includes Template:Infobox vice-regal and Template:Infobox Monarchy. It was used in articles about Canadian, Australian, New Zealand, and (perhaps) UK ministries, governors, and monarchies, though the exact extent of its use is presently unknown. The system is now used in nearly all (if not all) monarchy articles and all articles on governors of various types, at least those in the Commonwealth realms, as well as Canadian ministry articles. The anon has been urged to take the discussion to a larger forum, but has so far resisted. So, I am here to request input from members of this project, since this affects a number of articles that fall within the scope of WP:CANADA. The discussion is taking place at Talk:Prime Minister of Canada#The Infobox. Thanks. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 02:01, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
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