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Are you being serious?

where did you see i mention shlomo sand ? i was referenning to the "palestinian nation" and other propaganda-like theories by the plo — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dorpwnz (talk • contribs) 20:10, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

And now tell me , what i dont know? you said i dont know anything as a response to my comment without being very informative. so respond to my comment. will you ? i am willing to change wikipedia in the positive way . a fiction nation based on murder is something very recent . have you heard about the bus stab attack recently?

this is why i am willing to improve the information.--Dorpwnz (talk) 00:47, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

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Editing warring over a long period of time, such as you have at Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim countries, will result in sanctions if it continues. Please discuss the issue on the talk page until there is a consensus version rather than revert each other. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 12:18, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi Callanec, thanks for your response to the WP:AE request re the Jewish exodus... article.

Please could you give me your blunt advice as to whether my behaviour on the article has been reasonable to date? I am particularly keen to understand how to move forward in the right way on the article. At the moment, Greyshark's most recent revert remains, and i am awaiting expectantly for him/her to explain the rationale for each of the c.15 edits reverted. If he doesn't explain, or perhaps only explains a couple of small points, we can't reach a consensus version, so how should i move forward?

Oncenawhile (talk) 12:48, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

WP:Dispute resolution is the best bit for how the process works. But if one side doesn't respond on the talk page and you have agreement from other then that is the consensus version. If no one responds then it might be worth either starting an RfC or requesting input from one or more of the WikiProjects. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 12:52, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

I tried DRN already but they told me to come to AN. RfC, 3O or similar won't work because most of the edits are boring fixes rather than something which will pique other editors' interest. There are already other editors around the page but noone is interested in getting involved in this mess.

Surely if someone repeatedly reverts without explaining, and particularly when they revert numerous edits in bulk, they are contravening normal editing practice. This has been going for two months. Please help me!

Oncenawhile (talk) 13:01, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

I agree, but I find it very hard to believe that no one who is a regular on the page has an interest in which what the text says. Yes it would be a violation of normal editing practices to constantly revert without engaging in discussion, which is why I warned all of the involved users. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 13:08, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

OK thanks. So assuming i can't get anyone else to get involved, at what point can I move forward with the article again? At the moment i am stuck because I am waiting for greyshark to explain the revert. What if Greyshark never comes back? What I tried to do previously was wait 1-2 weeks, and in the absence of response I would revert the revert (or partially revert) and continue working on the article. What do you think? Oncenawhile (talk) 13:16, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Sounds good to me, ask the other two people (GreyShark included) to expressly comment in a section on the talk page about the edit in question. If neither of them does (or do and agree with you) you can take that as tacit consent to your edit. Then if either of them reverts without starting or commenting on the talk page discussion, let me know and I'll deal with it. Also, I'm watching your talk page so don't worry about the talkback template. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 13:20, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

OK, many thanks - i'll do exactly that. What do you think is a reasonable time to leave it before taking tacit consent? A week? Oncenawhile (talk) 13:33, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

I'd say about a week, but you should probably leave a note on the other two user's talk pages to let them know that you've proposed a change. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 00:36, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Why is Oncenawhile, trying to delete maps of Palestine from a Palestinian article? DigDeep4Truth (talk) 04:08, 29 January 2014 (UTC) ~ I was in Error. He was posting to let people know there was a vote being held in secret. PLEASE DELETE, I apologize. DigDeep4Truth (talk) 22:24, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

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Please do not attack other editors, as you did on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Definitions of pogrom (2nd nomination). Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. I asked you on the other AFD page to withdraw your accusation of sockpuppetry or if you had any credible evidence to refer me to an official investigation. Instead you made a second accusation of sockpuppetry. Please keep your comments on the two AFD pages to the topic at issue rather than attacking good-faith editors who are participating in the process. Unless you have good evidence that I'm a sock-puppet and are willing to put that evidence forward for investigation in the appropriate channels, I will continue to treat further accusations as personal attacks and respond accordingly. Thanks. Wieno (talk) 16:45, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

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I wish I had more time to be involved. I do miss it so. If I do find the time, I'll try to pop in with something useful. I did want to say thank you for all the hard work you put into to key Palestine related pages. You have made a very valuable contribution and it is much appreciated, by me at least. Cheers, Tiamut^talk 19:32, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Pogrom, consensus

I noticed the ANI discussion - regarding this part,

We're never going to get any better consensus view because you always get less editors at an article talk than at an afd, so there is no hope of those tags ever coming off. Another grey area in wp which noone knows how to deal with.

Here's just a little tip, take it or leave it;

If you have trouble getting consensus to make a change (such as remove a tag), it can be helpful to make a very clear section on the talk page with a precisely 'Proposed change', and then ask people to "support" or "oppose" below, much like an AfD discussion; and then ask for input on appropriate wikiproject talk pages, to get more people to comment. For that specific article, I suggest asking for input on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history because they're one of the most prolific projects.

I'm not suggesting you need to do that right now - I wouldn't worry too much about the tags being around for a while. I just wanted to suggest it as a solution to the more general problem.

I thought I'd write it here on your talk rather than the ANI thread, because it looks like the ANI is completed and can be closed.

Best, 88.104.19.233 (talk) 07:27, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi 88, thank you for your good advice - I will try that in future. Oncenawhile (talk) 08:32, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

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The AfD templates for Definitions of pogrom and Definitions of fascism both point to the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Genocide definitions discussion. I presume that this wasn't your intention. I suggest you rectify it. AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:09, 20 February 2014 (UTC) Never mind - I understand that you are nominating the lot for deletion simultaneously. AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:14, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Oncenawhile You made you first edit on 9 April 2010 so you ought to know that an article about a controversial subject like genocide that has been around since July 2007‎ is unlikely to be so badly written or badly named that it will be deleted. But as far as I can tell you do not want the article deleted instead this AfD is one of the worse case or Disrupting Wikipedia to make a point I have ever seen (and I been around a looong time). If it were not for the fact that I am involved as the editor who created the article Genocide definitions, I would have put on my administrator hat, speedily closed the AfD and blocked you account until you promised not to use AfD to make a point. I am in half a mind to take you to an ANI, but I see little point as you must already know that if you pull a stunt like this again your account will almost certainly be suspended until you agree to behave. If you take my advise you will Withdraw this Afd nomination before someone else does take you to ANI. -- PBS (talk) 16:41, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

I withdrew it already (4 minutes before you posted this), on the advice of Andy.

I am disappointed with your post because you appear to have decided that I was trying to prove a point, and appear to not trust my explanation that I simply was trying to find a way to get a proper consensus on the questions of dicdef and copyright for these type of articles. I may have been around for some time but i only edit once in a while, so i really am not knowledgable about how to deal with issues that affect many articles. I read multiafd and it seemed to make sense to me, but now i am getting my head bitten off.

To your first point, it's not that simple in my mind. When I drafted Definitions of pogrom, I used Genocide definitions as the template. So I was surprised when certain editors started quoting dicdef and copyright re the pogrom article, because as you say the genocide article had been stable for a long time and had not previously seen that.

Is there any chance i can help you understand / trust my motives, or should i not bother?

Oncenawhile (talk) 17:00, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

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I have been through a number of the citations and filled them out more fully. I will not do any more, but you should consider filling out the others in a similar way. If anything in the {{citation}} template is confusing or you can not work out how to do it from the examples now in the article then drop me a line on my talk page and I will help you complete the rest. -- PBS (talk) 18:25, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

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Your edits to "Chai (symbol)"

Neither the Star and Crescent nor the Star of David is a "traditional" religious symbol in the sense that you used the word "traditional" there, so I'm not sure that's the most suitable meaning of the word to be used in such contexts.

By the way, my reply to your remarks on ancient meanings of the word Παλαιστινη/Palaestina on Talk:United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine‎ got moved to User talk:DigDeep4Truth and then chopped to pieces in edit wars there, in case you never saw it... AnonMoos (talk) 23:31, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

That URL displays the comments I had in mind, though it's not a diff on any of my edits...

Not sure what you're trying to say about "southern coastal plain" -- that's more a geographical term than a scriptural one. The Holy Land area (i.e. Gaza-Israel-West Bank without consideration of borders) is often divided into natural geographical regions such as the coastal plains, the main north-south hill-chain, the "shephelah" (the boundary between the coastal plains and the main north-south hill-chain), the Galilee, the Judean desert (i.e. western Dead Sea coasts and areas immediately inland), the Negev, the Jordan valley, etc. The southern coastal plain is a shorthand geographic description of the area where the ancient Philistines lived. Not sure that there's any Biblical word for southern coastal plain other than "Philistia" (i.e. peleshet פלשת). AnonMoos (talk) 06:22, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Maybe -- without the Bible, there would only be PRST as the name of one of the invading Sea Peoples whose migrations and attacks brought on the Late Bronze Age collapse, and then after a lapse of many centuries, Παλαιστινη would appear as a geographical term (at first of rather vague and indeterminate geographical reference), and there might not be too much apparent reason to specifically connect the two. But while archaeological discoveries in the southern coastal plain area have not turned up inscriptions with the specific word פלשת or similar (as far as I know), they have turned up traces of a people living there which originally had a somewhat Aegean-influenced culture which then was largely assimilated to the surrounding Canaanite culture. I really don't know what reason there is to question the basic Biblical account of when and where the Philistines lived, and I've never heard of any scholarly skepticism on that point... AnonMoos (talk) 13:40, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

That's nice -- you're not an archaeologist (just as you are not an expert on the ancient Greek language), and I'm not too impressed with your efforts to operate independently in those fields (not to mention that they're also original research). If you throw out the Bible, then "Timeline of the name Palestine" should begin after 500 BC... AnonMoos (talk) 14:05, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Rename

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• Could you please argue the reasons of the move and try to find a compromise with GreyShark ? Many thanks. :-) Pluto2012 (talk) 12:05, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

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Your move/merge proposal at Talk:1517 Safed pogrom#Requested move

Hello Oncenawhile. I was checking out this move discussion to see if it is ready to close. I also looked at the opinions on the same question at Talk:1517 Hebron pogrom. The vote on combining the articles is close to a tie, but there might be enough support to change the word 'pogrom' to 'attacks' in both articles. Do you want to respond in the move discussion and give your opinion on that option? If you are opposed to this, it's possible that nothing will be done, or maybe the Hebron article will wind up getting deleted per the argument of User:Pluto2012. Another option you might consider is you might create a draft of a combined article in a sandbox and try to get opinions on it. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 03:00, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

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Just a Suggestion

From researching some of your edits and reading notes on your talk page as well as articles’ talk pages, it has become evident that you have an anti-Israel bias, by which I mean that you are pro-Palestinian which is certainly your right. However, with rights come responsibilities and for that very reason you might consider recusing yourself from editing or contributing articles touching upon the conflict as should ardently pro-Israel editors. Wikipedia is supposed to be an objective reference source and not a propaganda vehicle.

For example, I created an article on some English child actor I hadn’t heard of previously. I did what research I could, laid out the facts of his to-date brief career in a totally objective fashion, refraining from acting as either a volunteer PR man on his behalf or a critic. That was easy as I personally couldn’t care less about his career which is precisely why I was such a good choice to write the article. Can you say the same when editing articles regarding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict? If not, should you be editing them?

Some of the best and most objective coverage I have seen on this conflict (and other topics as well) comes from a group of young people from Uzbekistan doing videos under the byline The Caspian Report. They do journalism proud, and I would love to have them as Wiki editors and suggest you try listening to their reports sometime as guidance on objectivity. There are many forums where you can voice your political views labeled as such.

For the record, although I'm neither (ethnically or religiously) Jewish nor a Christian Fundamentalist, I'm ardently pro-Israel which is why in good conscience I refrain from contributing or editing articles related to the conflict. Thank you.HistoryBuff14 (talk) 21:26, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi HistoryBuff, I just watched the CaspianReport video on the conflict. They have a few factual details wrong, but in general the angle they take is very good and is clearly intended to be NPOV.

Anyway, thank you for your suggestion. I think the difference between us is that while you self-identify as "ardently pro-Israel", I define myself as simply pro-NPOV. I am certainly not anti-Israel, and take offence at the suggestion - you will not find a single anti-Israel edit in my entire contribution history, and for good reason.

To your broader point, if all "ardently pro-Israel" editors stopped editing Israel-Palestine articles, then pro-NPOV editors like myself would shift focus. But at the moment there is still an extraordinary amount of hasbara propaganda and whitewashing pervading the key articles. I suggest you read Media_coverage_of_the_Arab–Israeli_conflict#Wikipedia for some context here.

Oncenawhile (talk) 13:20, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your unexpectedly cordial response. It’s appreciated.

Wikipedia’s very raison d'être is to allow all people to create and edit articles on a collaborative basis. Therefore, I suppose the only way to completely stop editors with biased views distorting topics—especially controversial ones such as this and global warming—would be for the principals of Wiki to assign articles to writers along the lines of traditional encyclopedias, which would defeat the purpose of the publication’s original mission.

Thank you for listening to my suggested source and for recommending the Wiki article that you did, which I have read and found most interesting and with which I largely agree. I acknowledge that there are indeed many editors with a bias in favor of Israel (whether affiliated with any organization or not) as there are pro-Palestinian ones. Thus, the edit wars will unfortunately doubtlessly continue which is perhaps preferable to compromising the collaborative intent of Wikipedia. If I misinterpreted your intentions, then I apologize. Take care and happy editing.HistoryBuff14 (talk) 14:52, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Removal of reliable source on Farhud

Dear Oncenawhile, you have recently performed an edit on Farhud article, tagging it as "clarifying, matching rest of article, removing non-RS source and oversimplification of catalyst". However, i must note your removed two sources, one of which is clearly a WP:RS (US Dept of State research division). Please self-revert as WP:GF.GreyShark (dibra) 16:19, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Let's move this to the article talk page. Oncenawhile (talk) 20:42, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Check your email! Zero^talk 09:36, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

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Onceinawhile: You removed sourced content claiming it does not pertain to article subject [1], but on talk page I proved that you are mistaken. Please self revert or explain. Thanks. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 14:29, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for finally self-reverting. I notice your editing pattern with great concern. All your edits on this subject matter minimize the damage destruction and death that were inflicted on the Jews. I have yet to see one edit to the contrary. Please be aware of Wikipedia's NPOV policy. Thanks, --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 14:59, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

You appear to be misreading them. Not a single edit I am aware of is minimising the violence, but are instead contextualising them. Some of these articles are very poorly written and do not provide crucial context. Readers benefit from balancing of overly simplistic "neo-lachrymose" descriptions. Oncenawhile (talk) 15:22, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

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Fire the Voussoirs!

At Later cuneiform sources (1500-1000 BC) under "Amarna letters", item "EA 131", surely that would be "archers"? Shenme (talk) 18:18, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Good point, thank you! I will fix. Oncenawhile (talk) 09:06, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

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• them up into four categories that are now conventionally labelled "Reth" (Egyptians), "Aamu" ([[Levant|Asiatics]], "Themehu" ([[Ancient Libya|Libyans]]), and "Nehesu" ([[Nubians]]). These are

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You are engaging in disruptive editing

User Oncenawhile, you are apparently engaging in disruptive editing - see your recent actions of Expulsions of Egyptian Jews (1956). I remind you that you are editing WP:ARBPIA articles and should pay attention to details, considering recent warnings.GreyShark (dibra) 10:41, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

User:Greyshark09, you have had three months to respond to the concerns I raised at Talk:Expulsions of Egyptian Jews (1956). See User_talk:Greyshark09#Talk:Expulsion_of_Egyptian_Jews_.281956.29. Oncenawhile (talk) 10:49, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

The rename procedure was made on August 7, don't try to get away with this.GreyShark (dibra) 10:50, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

User:Greyshark09, this relates directly to the points previously raised. Please respond to them. I have no intention to edit war - I want to discuss. So please respond to the detailed concerns i have raised to the article which you wrote. Oncenawhile (talk) 10:53, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Pogrom

I noticed you reverted someone's attempt -- an attempt based apparently on WP:DONTLIKEIT -- to remove the sourced Olmert quotes from the Pogrom article. I undid the latest reversion (which came from someone who was recently [warned] on Arab-Israeli editing), and User:Galassi promptly reverted my undo, yet again for the absurd and invalid reason of there being "no consensus for inclusion" (see Talk:Pogrom#POV_pushing if your memory needs refreshing on all of this fun). He's now done this twice in the past several hours, and appears to be using Twinkle to aid him in his suppression of sourced content. It strikes me that you've an interest in maintaining the article in a state characterized by well-sourced citations, NPOV language, and an atmosphere as free as possible from meta-political considerations, be they made through coatracking or via conspicuous absence of relevant information. It also strikes me that you're a much more experienced Wiki editor than me. Hopefully I'm wrong in this assumption, but I foresee the possibility of yet another edit war over the Olmert "pogrom" quotes sourced content. I don't know the ins and outs of WP:3RR, or whether or not my continued undoing of reverts based on spurious and unencyclopedic (read:political) reasons will expose me to something like a temporary ban from editing for violating 3RR. I would appreciate your help or, at least, your advice in this matter. Thanks so much Direct action (talk) 20:32, 12 August 2014 (UTC)