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If...

...you were going to call the "Parameter names example" template by another name, what would come to mind...? Sardanaphalus (talk) 09:49, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

"Parameter names example" sounds fine to me. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 09:55, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Okay. I'm thinking, though, that "Pnex" looks too enigmatic amongst most /doc pages' content, so I'm considering creating and using the redirect {{Generic demo}} instead. Sardanaphalus (talk) 07:49, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Sure, go ahead, if you want to. I don't think it matters too much what it's called, so long as the output looks ok. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 08:24, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

In case the template does see wider use, I thought it may as well have a more friendly-looking other name. Thanks for your feedback, Sardanaphalus (talk) 07:40, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

...and in case you wondered: yes, the redirect is now {{Generic template demo}} rather than {{Generic demo}}. Sardanaphalus (talk) 11:35, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Need your expert skills

... to help resolve the remaining errors found in s:Module talk:Category handler/testcases over on Wikisource. I've managed to get it down to just five bangs - 4 of which just seem to be something simple that I can't nail down but the last one worries me in that Wikisource has a formal namespace labeled Page: (ns-104). Any help is appreciated & thanks for your time. -- George Orwell III (talk) 23:53, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

@George Orwell III: You needed to change the "demopage" config setting to something other than "page", to stop it from clashing with the Page namespace. I also needed to fix the test cases to use the new parameter name. There isn't really any need to copy the test cases, though, because as long as they work on enwiki the module is verified as working. The rest is just a matter of changing the settings for that wiki. But, I fixed them anyway. :) — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 02:00, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Possible adminship

The reason why I haven't become an admin is because one time I read on this site you have to be 18 to be an admin. I can't find it anymore but I remember seeing it. Also because I feel like I am not always active and don't have time to be on here, if I get some more articles created and more edits maybe I can be a viable candidate who knows? Right now I feel comfortable and I feel like I am contributing to Wikipedia the best I can. Thanks! JayJay^{What did I do?} 17:25, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @JayJay: There was never a rule that you had to be 18 to be an admin. Jackmcbarn (talk) 17:39, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Ha weird I always thought it was! JayJay^{What did I do?} 17:40, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

@JayJay: You might be mixing up Adminship with Functionaries who, have to be identified to the foundation, and to do this you have to be of the age of consent where you live. Mlpearc (open channel) 18:00, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes! That's what it was. Wow I feel kinda dumb now JayJay^{What did I do?} 18:01, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Sandbox handling...

...by {{Generic template demo}} / {{Parameter names example}}. If this template detects that it's transcluded on a /sandbox page (because, most likely, Template:Templatename's /sandbox is transcluding Templatename's {{Documentation}}), do you think it should generate the example template using {{Templatename/sandbox}} rather than {{Templatename}}..? (Another underscore-parameter (|_usesandbox=off/false/no on/true/yes etc..?) could be provided to override the default action.) Sardanaphalus (talk) 21:03, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Good idea - done. To override the default action you can just use the _template parameter. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 02:09, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks for implementing – and for pointing out that |_template= can provide the override. Much more elegant. Regards, Sardanaphalus (talk) 18:28, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Let's Play (video gaming)

M wikifacts (talk) 13:33, 26 July 2014 (UTC) People have lives outside of Wikipedia, so my entry within the Talk Consensus discussion never took place, nor any talk whatsoever in regard to a formal EDIT that represents the new data and the old data.

A formal LOCK has been placed on the website which contains erroneous data which I did not place. This needs to be undone, as it is a manipulation of control in regards to the historical context being discussed.

The entry that was done in the talk section was not done by myself. That is merely another editor obviously getting involved. One entry, by merely one individual, on a topic that is clearly sensitive to many, should not be abused in this manner. This discussion of Consensus cannot be resolved in an immediate fashion, or overnight without all parties coming to a conclusive agreement on exactly what should be said.

These accounts are taking control of a topic in an abusive way without abiding by policy and are stating policy without actually reading/abiding/understanding the policies they claim in their statements.

My edit, that contains fact as opposed to the erroneous data that existed, should not be removed and tossed aside in favor of the erroneous data.

Something at an Administrative level needs to be done about this. Editors that are not involved in the discussion, that have an established editing practice on other pages need to involved in a neutral manner with the data provided. M wikifacts (talk) 13:33, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

@M wikifacts: Sorry, I'm not going to have much time this week to deal with this. I recommend posting at one of the administrative noticeboards if you would like prompt admin action. Maybe WP:ANI? — Mr. Stradivarius on tour ^{♪ talk ♪} 15:02, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Precious again

silent way
Thank you, skeptic violinist who knows "that men and women will act rationally when all other possibilities have been exhausted", for quality articles on language acquisition such as Communication strategies in second-language acquisition, for Performance calligraphy and Silent Way, for creating templates such as {{language education}}, for handling page protections and for creating harmony in mediation, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:28, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

A year ago, you were the 563rd recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:20, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the reminder - it's a very nice welcome back from my short wikibreak. :) — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 08:11, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Sonia de Lorraine

Thank you. Much appreciated. I should like to take you up on inquiries at a later date, though I am most grateful for your offer today.:0)))

I've taken a look at your user page, and realized I've so very much to learn. Please, feel free to share with me, I would be most grateful. Until such time, it's been a distinct pleasure. Cheers, Sonia de Lorraine.:0))) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonia De Lorraine (talk • contribs) 09:47, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

I can't thank you enough. So am I to understand, I do not edit of any sort while not logged in?!? Goodness, I much appreciate your help. I've had stalkers before, and I might add, that's very frightening. My feline was, well, let's just say, I appreciate your rescue more than words can describe. I think I shall not do another thing on this site until I've read the help page you'd sent me upon my initial sign up. I do have much to offer and would love to edit if I can when time provides. However, I am sure you tire of rescuing me each time. You are so kind for this virtuous act on my behalf. Most sincere regards, Sonia.:0))) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonia De Lorraine (talk • contribs) 10:36, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Please check this edit It looks to me that the editing user places the signature of another user (who is in holidays...). Maybe You can drop me a note here where I'm dayly (open edit) Manorainjan (talk) 00:02, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

That's just RHaworth fixing the page formatting - nothing to be alarmed about. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 03:31, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Alisha Heng

Can you please allow me to write a page for Alisha Heng It would very much be appreciated because I have more proper sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mistyolper (talk • contribs) 13:26, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

@Mistyolper: Hi there. I would create the page as a draft first so that you can show people that it is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia. Have a look at Wikipedia:Articles for creation for how to create a draft and have it reviewed. Best — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 17:39, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

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You can probably lift the ridiculously long protection on Direct2D now

The IPs were trying to say something that can (and now is) sourced from more intelligible sources than KBs, namely that there was a new version of Direct2D (1.1) launched with Windows 8, which was then made available for Windows 7 via a platform update. JMP EAX (talk) 21:00, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

The IP editor in question is rather clueless and stubborn in general; see Special:Contributions/175.138.233.253 and Special:Contributions/175.138.234.26 but the other articles where he got reverted (which is practically everything he edited in that run) haven't been protected that long. JMP EAX (talk) 00:46, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm not so sure - those IPs (presumably belonging to the same editor) have been inserting the same content into the article since 2012. The long-term nature of the disruption is why I protected the page for six months. I suspect that if I unprotected the page, they would put those KB links right back in. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 01:10, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

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WikiProject Banners

Just thought I'd bring this to your attention: While a lot of the banners that have taskfroces assess the quality on the same scale as the parent project. Some are a bit more complex. For example Template:WikiProject Trains has a custom class mask for the parent. Some of the taskforces do not assess quality, some taskforces use the standard quaility scale, some use the extended scale and some use the same cuatom scale as the parent project. -- WOSlinker (talk) 21:14, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Yep, these will all be supported in the final module, whenever it's ready. I hadn't seen {{WikiProject Trains}} before - that's an interesting one. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 06:20, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

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Template:Lang-zh

It is transcluded by 1,100+ pages. Lower to semi-protection? --George Ho (talk) 07:08, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

 Done. In the future, WP:RFPP is probably a better place to ask. Best — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 10:56, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Lowercase sigmabot

Hy, Mr. Stradivarius. I saw that you have stopped lowercase sigmabot, the bot operated by Σ. I want to know why. You explained that the bot is edit warring itself in Turkey, but I do not see any edit warring from the bot. I hope you understand. Ping me if you have replied. I do not like watchlists. Yours sincerely, DEW. Adrenaline (Nahnah4) 09:12, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

@Nahnah4: Here are the edits where it was edit-warring with itself. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 11:00, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

On a related note, exactly what implications does the new {{pp}} template have on how we apply protection templates? →Σσς. (Sigma) 04:30, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

@Σ: It doesn't mean we have to change anything. But if you wanted, you could tag pages exclusively with {{pp}} and not use any of the other protection templates. For some protection templates this will mean longer invocations, though. E.g. {{pp-move-vandalism}} would become {{pp|vandalism|action=move}}. The one existing protection template that cannot be produced with {{pp}} is {{pp-move-indef}} - we didn't implement it in the module as all it does is add categories. Also, you can now use {{pp}} as a direct replacement for {{pp-protected}}, as the latter now redirects to the former. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 05:38, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Redirection of Template:Pp-protected

Was this the intended result of your edit? Mjroots (talk) 05:57, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

@Mjroots: Whoops, I forgot to check for double redirects, and there were quite a few. Fixed now. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 06:05, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

edit request

Hi, I see you just made edit on Robin Williams. I negotiated acceptable language with admin John and received his 'thanks' for edit pm for my acceptance of his proposed language over 3 hours ago, but still no article action. Can you please make approved edit? It is already admin approved, just needs doing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Robin_Williams#Protected_edit_request_on_14_August_2014 Thank you Paulscrawl (talk) 22:27, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

@Paulscrawl: I don't think that there's a clear consensus for your request yet. Allow a little more time for people to comment, and then use the {{edit protected}} template above your request to alert patrolling admins. Best — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 22:35, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm not asking for consensus on previously accepted content, but I might be asking for user ban - It was already in the article and only taken out by disingenuous edit of user who deleted content and added unrelated content of his own which later got deleted. See deletion of content with "Add details" edit summary Paulscrawl (talk) 22:45, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

I can't see anything block-worthy there, and if you want a block, you should go to WP:ANI rather than an individual admin's talk page. This needs to be decided by finding a consensus, not by blocks, though, in my opinion. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 23:24, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

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Robin Williams

Can you please add this to robin williams page

The wife of Robin stated that the actor/comedian was sober at the time of death, but suffering from the early stages of Parkinson's disease, a progressive and debilitating neuromuscular condition — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oxo helen oxo (talk • contribs) 00:44, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

@Oxo helen oxo: Hi Helen! You need to make an edit request at Talk:Robin Williams before this can be added to the article. I imagine that editors are already talking about this over there, in fact, so you might want to check the rest of the talk page first. Good luck. :) — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 10:42, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Your answer to edit requests

I found out you, recently answer a lot of edit requests as "Not done for now" and let they edit the sandbox page, and then reactive the request. I think it is bad.S/s/a/z-1/2 (talk) 23:09, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

@Ssaz 12: Why do you think it's bad? The alternative is for me to write the code myself, which can sometimes be a lot of work. I will generally make trivial changes myself, but I don't think we should be equating "edit request" with "coding request". — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 23:13, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

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Edit Request: Catch shares discussion in "Criticism" section

Dear Mr. Stradivarius, Thank you for your advice related to my edit request on the EDF Talk page. I believe I have provide the information you requested, albeit a bit delayed. Would you be able to review the edit again? Thank you, Kent 21:47, 18 August 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kent Strauss (talk • contribs)

Zoe Quinn

I believe the sentence about Zoe Quinn being harassed on the Zoe Quinn page should include the word "allegedly", as there seems to be no evidence that she was harassed. The closest thing to evidence she provided was a screen cap of two mean spirited comments about her made by anonymous users on some message board. However, the comments were about her, but not directed at her. So, while not flattering, they do not qualify as "harassment." If I were to go on a message board and post that Bill Gates is a douche bag, you would not say that I was harassing Bill Gates. In order to harass Bill Gates, I would have to actually contact him and call him a douche bag. Simply stating my opinion that he's a douche bag on a forum not directed at him, and that he isn't required to read, does not constitute "harassment."

As for the harassing phone calls that Quinn claims to have received, I can find no evidence for this whatsoever other than her word for it. She may or may not have received harassing phone calls, but, unless there is proof that she did, it's important to clarify that this is only an allegation.

This is why I believe that the sentence on the Zoe Quinn page that reads "In attempting to publish the game through Steam's Greenlight service, Quinn was the target of harassment both online and through sexually explicit phone calls." should be changed to say "In attempting to publish the game through Steam's Greenlight service, Quinn was ALLEGEDLY the target of harassment both online and through sexually explicit phone calls." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Josephf5 (talk • contribs) 06:19, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

@Josephf5: There's already some talk about this at Talk:Zoe Quinn#"Alleged". You'll need to find a consensus there before the article can be changed - this message to me won't actually affect things much. And I recommend that you read Wikipedia:No original research first. Best — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 06:23, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Occupy Toronto WP entry

Hello,

My name is Antonin and I am a bottom-liner with Occupy Toronto. I came across your name while reading the Talk page for Zoe Quinn. You seemed to know a lot about WP's protocols and standards.

I've been concerned for quite a while about the WP entry for Occupy Toronto and its accuracy. Just looking at the sources and citations, they don't seem to adhere to the type of standards you listed in the ZQ talk page. It's also missing tons of legit and verifiable sources like The Toronto Star, CBC, NOW Magazine, and many more.

I was wondering if at some point in the future (there's really no rush) you might help bring some depth and accuracy to the OT page.

I would of course be happy to help out but, full disclosure, I am a biased source. I lived at Occupy Toronto for 40 days and nights and I am still committed to the movement. If you Google "Antonin occupy toronto" you should get a pretty thorough idea of who I am and my level of involvement.

To be extra clear: I am not looking to make myself or anyone else look good. I would just like the page to be accurate and in keeping with Wikipedia's standards, for better or worse.

I can be reached at occupytofood@gmail.com. Thanks for your time.

Sincerely, Antonin Mongeau 216.155.145.67 (talk) 23:42, 19 August 2014 (UTC) Occupy Toronto

Hi Antonin! Sorry, but I don't really have an interest in the movement, and there are lots of things on Wikipedia that I don't have time to do. I don't mean to sound harsh, but I just don't have time to do all the things that I want to do on this site. You might have more luck if you ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Toronto or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Canada, though. Best — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 23:47, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

You might also direct your question to Wikipedia:WikiProject OWS.--Mark Miller (talk) 23:50, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Three things

Hello again. My "things to ask Mr. Stradivarius" has risen to three, so I thought it was time to leave a message:

1. Module:List/sandbox : I took a guess at how to add liststyle, itemstyle, etc as alternatives to list_style etc and it appears to've worked – if so, should making the same additions to the live version work without problem? (Changing names already in use may be a hassle, but I thought I may as well try to add and start using those already established by {{Infobox}}, {{Sidebar}}, etc.)
2. Module:Parameter names example : If it's possible (and not too tricky) to do so, do you think it would be worth adding an option to present the code producing the example/demo beside the example/demo (in some kind of <code> or <pre> style)..? I'm wondering if it might, as I keep seeing the redundancy of e.g. code in a pre section followed immediately by the very same code used to call a template. I'd try to see if this could be done using wikicode/HTML, but there may be no point, either because it can't and/or the result might not translate to Lua and/or...
   (As there doesn't seem to be a template offering this already, perhaps it's something that's too self-referential to implement..?)
3. What do you make of Template:Lua/sandbox (as appearing on Template:Lua/testcases)..? I'm also wondering if "Uses Lua" might be a more futureproof template name.

Regards, Sardanaphalus (talk) 17:49, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

3RR

Actually, that's 3 reverts, I should stop, but I'm not over. Crisis.EXE 04:40, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Was it related to content?

I noticed you removed a section on Talk:Zoe Quinn under WP:BLPTALK. However, BLPTALK specifically excludes content that is relating to content choices. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced and not related to making content choices should be removed, deleted, or oversighted, as appropriate. Please consider looking over the talk page post and consider whether it was about content choices. If not, then I endorse the removal. If it is, then I would support its addendum back on the talk page. Tutelary (talk) 20:26, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

It's interesting that BLPTALK includes "and not related to making content choices", but you must be reading it wrongly, or the the wording must be incorrect. Do you really think it would be ok for someone to post "I support adding a section describing how this person eats babies" at a talk page? And it could not be removed because it was about "making content choices"? Johnuniq (talk) 23:58, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

I think this is badly worded in the BLP policy. When I look at the wording as it was originally added, it seems to directly contradict the preceding paragraph. I doubt that an exception for material related to content choices was intended there, and I've started a discussion on the policy talk page to clarify this. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 01:55, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

I just noticed an example (diff)—is this removable per BLPTALK? Johnuniq (talk) 00:16, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

I am sorry for the shitstorm that occured on the Zoe Quinn talk page.

Your's truly- 24.170.47.108 (talk) 09:23, 23 August 2014 (UTC)