User talk:Joseph2302

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Quality Distribution

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Joseph2302

The current information about Quality Distribution is stale and inaccruate - it is listing information from 2012, we are in 2015. If there are COI issues in the script (largest, etc.), then we can adjust the language, but the information regarding June 30, 2014 is more accurate than information listed from 2012. If there is information that you feel is COI, let's come to a conclusion on a re-write instead of going back and forth.

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by QDIIR (talk • contribs) 14:37, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

I agree that the current information is probably outdated, as it's 2012 information. However, the text you wrote had no [{WP:RS|reliable sources]]- without reliable sources, it counts as original research. The text you added also read as promotional and not neutral point of view, making unsourced claims of excellence such as " operates the largest chemical bulk tank truck network in North America through its wholly owned subsidiary, Quality Carriers, Inc. (“QCI”), and is also the largest provider of intermodal International Organization for Standardization (“ISO”) tank container and depot services in North America".

I added back the infobox, since that seems good. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:46, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

uw-test

Hi. Did you leave this on the wrong Talk: page? 81.141.58.213 (talk) 14:40, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes sorry, you were the one deleting the blank redirect request, not making it. My apologies. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:47, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

A cuppa tea for you!

For waiting table in the Teahouse and chatting with the customers. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 07:12, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

delete a page

Can you delete the page Punkerama records as I forgot to do an uppercase R for Records on it? i created a new page with the correct capitals so don't need the old page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unicorndoot (talk • contribs) 16:06, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Combined discussions about Peter May

Discussion 1

You tagged the page Peter May for speedy deletion, but then said to discuss at Talk: Peter May, a page that is nominated for speedy deletion as talk page of an article for which speedy deletion was requested. That makes it an unsatisfactory place for discussion. A Request for Comments has been published at Talk:Peter May (disambiguation). Robert McClenon (talk) 21:47, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

My mistake, the disambiguation page is fine. Although that would have been an okay place if you'd done the RfC before the controversial move. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:49, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Discussion 2

There's a discussion at Talk:Peter May (as you know). There's no need to do anything in the interim, and given the discussion, any G6 deletions would be obviously inappropriate. The discussion will (hopefully) suss it out, then it can be sorted. WilyD 11:05, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

I disagree with a controversial move being allowed to stand, but respect your decision to do so. Thank you for being polite about it, instead of telling me I'm "just trying to prove a point/push my view" when I'm trying to get a proper discussion going after a controversial move, like other users have been doing Joseph2302 (talk) 11:07, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Well, I usually try to avoid being polite, but nobody's perfect. During a dispute there's no way of pleasing everyone, and whosoever is administering a dispute needs to be neutral (because admins are just supposed to be carrying out community decisions, not making our own). i.e., don't think of it as decision to let it stand (it ain't), think of it as a decision in progress. WilyD 11:28, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

I think the way you made the decision was polite, which was saying "I disagree with you and this is why"- all other users seem to have responded like "I disagree with you, you're wrong, and trying to push your own stupid viewpoint" which isn't a fair representation of what I'm trying to do. I want a fair discussion, but everytime I comment, seems like other people are just telling me I'm wrong, and trying to disrupt the encyclopedia- apart from the move at Peter May (writer) (which is the only thing no-one has complained about), everything I've done is in good faith.

I don't expect people to necessarily agree with me, but I believe the way you did it was polite and appropriate, where many others haven't been. Thank you. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:34, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Discussion 3

While complaining about someone else "refactoring" your comments, you managed to delete mine completely. Please take more care. PamD 10:33, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

My mistake, I didn't touch that bit, so must have been an edit conflict. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:34, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Discussion 4

my apologies for my comment on "gaming the system." It was overdone. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 18:24, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

@Joshua Jonathan: No problem, apology accepted. My apologies for overreacting to the comment. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:27, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

FYI

Doublefrog has been blocked indef as part of a sockpuppet investigation. Epeefleche (talk) 22:31, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me, I saw anyway, since their talkpage was on my watchlist. Really doesn't surprise me. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:31, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Page

New editor trying to do crazy things

Joseph , I need your help. I am new to wikipedia and created an account just to remove the information wikipedia page . What can I do to remove temporarily? Rodrigo Branco

First of all, I don't see why you want it deleted- and am more confused because you deleted all your previous comments from this talkpage.

Secondly, every time you try to delete it without an adequate reason, someone is going to contest it. The fact is that he's notable enough for a Wikipedia article because he's played in the Football League for Fleetwoood, see WP:NFOOTY. Therefore any attempts to delete the page will probably fail. I think the only way that it could be deleted now is via WP:AFD, but this would be a keep/delete discussion.

Thirdly, stop edit warring. You've already violated WP:3RR. Joseph2302 (talk) 23:49, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

'Vandalism' 'Report'

Vandalism/Troll/Sockpuppet Account

1. I haven't had enough warnings to be banned yet. How draconian! 2. Don't you know who I am? Honestly, can any serious 'anti-vandalism' editor claim not to know? I used to be a major anti-vandal reverter/crusader/sport hunter myself, and I knew exactly who all the big boys were. I wouldn't put myself in the Willy on Wheels category but I'm only one notch below.

In summary, I think you're wrong but I can easily agree to disagree with people. I'm becoming an easygoing guy in real life and this is seeping into my internet persona so I hold no grudges regardless of whether you get me blocked or not; you seem like a decent chap and I hope it doesn't look as though my japes are suggesting I don't see that.

Best wishes, Eastenders and Snooker Defacer (talk) 00:14, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

1. That's true, but at your current rate of warnings, you'll well pass it by the time someone responds, plus 100% edits been vandalism= "vandalism-only account".

2. No I don't know who you are, I've only been here 6ish months, might have been before my time. Joseph2302 (talk) 00:17, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Actually you have had enough warnings.--5 albert square (talk) 00:19, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Help me: My changes are lost to article Jiří Kylián

Discussion moved to Talk:Jiří Kylián

Dear Joseph2302

I have just added a lot of info to this article, but now all the changes have been removed because of a conflict of interest, Jiří Kylián has asked me to add this info to the article.

What would be the correct for Kylian to suggest changes to the article about him ? and how would i reference is this info is coming from himself as a living person ?

if possible i can supply a full bio and a full list of his works and some images that can be used in the public domain

kind regards, Rob Bothof

None of that is the problem. The problem is that the article that Jiří Kylián wants you to write is promotional (WP:PROMO), whereas Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a place for free advertising. Edits must have reliable sources and must be neutral point of view WP:NPOV- Jiří Kylián doesn't get to choose what goes on their Wikipedia page, as Wikipedia is a neutral encyclopedia that anyone can contribute to, not a free advertising space. Joseph2302 (talk) 00:30, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

I understand, Can you recover the changes to my userpage? so i can submit the info for proofreading? Do i understand correctly that everything already has to written elsewhere to be included in wikipedia  ? The info i have provided does contain facts about his life that can be added to wikipedia, and in some cases he himself might the most reliable source..also i would like to provide a full list of his works, thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by RobBothof (talk • contribs) 00:43, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

I've put a copy of your version of the article at your sandbox: User:RobBothof/sandbox. The best place to suggest edits would be at the article talkpage, Talk:Jiří Kylián- if you post suggested changes/additions there, then other users can accept/reject/give feedback on them. Joseph2302 (talk) 00:48, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Wigged Out Music

Page deleted before I could respond

REMOVED name/research done on artist per Wikipedia.

included: the style/operation to create lyrics that can be interpreted played forward or backward "WIGGED OUT MUSIC"

The first time I had heard about this being done intentionally was in 2000 in Denver, CO. (303) I hope the revisions meet the expectations of the editors.

Reguards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hudsonagent (talk • contribs) 03:38, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	For your very much appreciated support at WP:AN, during user:Doublefrog's spree of mayhem. RichardOSmith (talk) 17:51, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

@RichardOSmith: Thank you, always happy to help. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:02, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

javi du art page

Discussion can continue at talkpage/AfD page

Hello Joseph2302, as of January 27th, 2015. javi du art became the youngest artist to ever exhibit at Art Palm Beach. This includes the last 18 years for which the fair has been running for. The international fair consists of multiple international galleries located in New York, Los Angeles, London, and Hong Kong, among many, many others. Lee Ann Lester, the director of the fair, has also confirmed that du art is the youngest emerging artist to ever exhibit at the prestigious event. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonnyplaxo (talk • contribs) 18:11, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Find a reliable source that says that then- the sources on the page say they were the youngest at the 2015 Festival. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:13, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

I have emailed Jan Engoren, the writer from the Sun Sentinel, to revise the article so it states factual information. I will come back to this post to send you the updated article which states the correct information as soon as I have a response. Thank you.

Jonnyplaxo (talk) 18:30, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Okay Joseph2302 (talk) 18:31, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Joseph2302. The Sun-Sentinel article has been corrected to reflect du art’s accomplishments, the author has apologized for the error. http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/palm-beach/boynton-beach/fl-bbf-bbad-0506-20150506-story.html

Thank you

Jonnyplaxo (talk) 21:06, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Reference errors on 7 May

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Archive Bot Problem

Fixed

Can someone fix my page archiving? It's meant to archive older than 7 days, but instead it's archiving anything older than 1 day, and I'm not sure why. I've undone it, but it seems to be doing it every day. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:54, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

I guess, the change I made will make everything okay. I hope it works. Let's wait for a day. And then see if my edit worked or not.
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 10:47, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

That looks like it was probably the problem, thank you. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:49, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Still, I am not sure if it will certainly work since I do it manually. Let's wait. If it doesn't work, I have an idea. But really a lengthy one! But I wanted to know, why the Image and Archives not properly aligned at the right?
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 10:53, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello Joseph2302! I just wanted to know that modification for archive worked?
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 10:18, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

@Acagastya: Looks like it worked, thank you again- nothing got archived (which was correct), whereas the last 2 days everything was being archived. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:20, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Your welcome! It is so good to hear that it worked! But, I don't understand why the photo and text in archive box on the right isn't aligned properly?
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 10:23, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Notice of edit warring noticeboard discussion

Notice of thanks

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. Thank you.
Just so you know, I'm not involved, and it seems like a badly formed request from an IP user, who hasn't informed you about it. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:32, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for making me aware of this. I otherwise would never have known. I read the discussion at that link. Ultimately, it appears to be a non-issue. Thanks again. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 15:09, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

No problem, it was a complete non-issue, since you had reverted 0 or 1 times, and not 4. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:12, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes, thanks. I don't think that I reverted at all. I think that the complaining editor confused me with another editor on that page. Thanks again. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 18:03, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Sorry About That

Dear Joseph Sorry for Corrupted Article i will create the full article of this but soon — Preceding unsigned comment added by Afghanstyle33 (talk • contribs) 17:48, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Help: Draft:V-Excel Educational Trust

Dear Mr. Joseph!

Greetings from India!

Thank you for reviewing our page. It has been many months since we have been making the changes to suit the needs of Wikipedia. It would be great if you can help us point out specific areas that do look like an advertisement. In all fairness we do provide all the services that have been mentioned in our page.

Also, if you can give some suggestions/tips to make it more suitable for Wiki to accept.

Regards and Namaste!

Prak! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prak nat (talk • contribs) 11:12, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

@Prak nat: You have an entire, detailed list of "Programmes", which has only 2 sources in it- Wikipedia is not a directory of services, the detail should be shorterned, and more sources added. The tone of the "Special initiatives and forums" also sound like press releases, with lots of information that isn't directly relevant e.g. " is for the specific purpose of giving siblings of special children a space and a platform to express themselves in a homogeneous group." (what does this even mean?), "The concert, Blue Sky Unplugged, featured a repertoire of songs both well-known and those composed specifically for the children by the teachers" (too detailed), "thanks to the joint efforts of the Rotary Club of Madras East and SpiceJet" (seems like you're trying to give free advertising to other companies).

In summary, you need less unsourced content, and less overdetailed, technical phrases. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:02, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

AfC/R

Could you please use these templates and sign your posts when accepting redirect requests? Thanks! Pickuptha'Musket (talk) 19:34, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

My mistake, yes I can. I'll do it from now on, and will go back and add them to previous acceptances. I thought adding the acceptance template was enough, my mistake, thank you for notifying me. Joseph2302 (talk) 20:23, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Draft:Salvi, Schostok & Pritchard

Hello Joseph2302. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Draft:Salvi, Schostok & Pritchard, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: R2 only applies to redirects from mainspace. Thank you. Jackmcbarn (talk) 02:14, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Oh okay, understood, my mistake. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:43, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

List of Honorary Fellows of St John's College, Cambridge

AfC Discussion

Thank you for reviewing my short article starting a list of Honorary Fellows of St John's College, Cambridge. i accept that by itself it may lack the substance to be an article, BUT it's part of a series of such lists that are being created following a decision to lustily rather than categorise such people. So far lists for 10 (out of about 34) of the colleges have been started - viz,: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lists_of_Honorary_Fellows_of_colleges_of_the_University_of_Cambridge - an I intend to help to fill the remainder as time allows. If you reject this list, you should logically delete the other 9 that have already been cerated too. So I'm respectfully resubmitting it. Thank you. rcb1.

Fair enough, if it's part of an organised decision then that makes more sense. I still personally disagree that a list of 10 people warrants their own article, but feel free to resubmit. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:43, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

I must have missed you by 30 seconds....

Quebec telemarketing, now cleaned up

I just started to clean-up the Quebec telemarketing article when I noticed you tagged it for deletion. I would like to request that you remove the tag while I work with the editor to bring it up to standard.

  Bfpage |leave a message  10:05, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

@Bfpage: Okay, if someone is going to clean it up, it seems better already. And I think it was an edit conflict, I speedied it via Twinkle just as you started editing it. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:16, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

I'm going to try....so far not much luck, there is no news coverage for this company. There is some information on telemarketing issues specifically related to Canada, so that might save it. Thanks for doing this. If I can't clean it up by Mon, go ahead and do what needs to be done. The Very Best of Regards,

  Bfpage |leave a message  10:20, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Okay, I'm done. I think it is notable, but barely. Other Canadian specific info is pretty good. Thanks for the chance to save the article. I left notes on the talk page so the author can make it better.

  Bfpage |leave a message  11:31, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Avalon Group

Good catch on Avalon Group. I have endorsed the proposed deletion.

I've read a lot about Wikipedia having problems attracting and retaining new editors. Here's a thought on that topic. When someone labels a page as an advertisement, that is easily perceived as an attack on the motivations of the editors who created and contributed to the article. It also does little to give those editors guidance to improve the article. Clearly, some articles are advertisements and it's good that we are rooting them out. (This article is in a gray area - whoever wrote and edited it did not make subjective claims or use advertising language, but of course they failed to establish notability.) But it seems to me that most of the editors who write promotional articles do so because they don't understand what Wikipedia is all about. Even with the gentlest of handling, most of them won't go on to contribute more to the project (although a few might). But they don't have to leave the project feeling abused and hating Wikipedia. The other editors who attempted to improve the article in the past may also feel insulted. I don't think for an instant that was your intent, but I've been on both sides of this, and the feelings can be surprisingly intense.

Can I suggest that future criticisms be more specific, and where possible reference the appropriate Wikipedia policy? Also, look for the underlying problems. In this case, I think the article had worse problems than the appearance of being an ad. But where advertising-like content is the main issue, then I suggest some delicacy - "reads like an advertisement", "could be mistaken for an ad," etc. And specific examples are also helpful.

In any case, I'm glad that you've volunteered here. Best regards - James Cage (talk) 15:05, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

@James Cage: Usually my posts are more specific, especially with new editors at AfC, which is where the best articles by new editors tend to be made. This one I found by chance (another editor referenced it when a company page they created was up for speedy deletion). I agree that many new editors need specific guidance, in fact I often move new articles with CSD tags back to draftspace in preference to them being deleted, and give specific information- mainly because like 90% of articles by non-confirmed users aren't very good. In this case, the article was 5ish years old, and there wasn't a good version to revert to, hence my PROD. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:46, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Solvent models in computational chemistry

Hi, you posted a review comment on the draft saying you are referring it to WikiProject Chemistry for review, however there is no post on the WikiProject Talk page about this draft, by you or anyone else. If you tell a draft submitter that you are asking a WikiProject to help review their submission please don't forget to actually do so. Thanks. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:52, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for noticing and correcting my mistake, even if it's about 3 weeks too late. Will be more careful in future. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:36, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Inappropriate title

In this edit, you moved an article to an inappropriate title. I have since moved it to Dual-phase evolution. Every case I've ever seen of an articles-for-creation item getting moved into the article space has involved similar inappropriateness in the title. Why is that always neglected? Michael Hardy (talk) 19:27, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

@Michael Hardy: This is the first time someone has complained about an article I've created via AfC, so I disagree that it's always neglected. Nevertheless I understand the complaint, and will be more careful with names in future. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:38, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Tabor City Correctional Article

Hi, I was wondering if you could explain why this article got a "C". I saw the grading page, but was hoping you could offer specific suggestions on how to make the article better. Thank you so much for your help ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.129.222.17 (talk) 01:01, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

The main issue is that the history section appears to just be a list of controversies. I believe it would work better as prose, and the more notable incidents could be expanded on, and if there's information about the prison that isn't controversies, that should be added to. For instance, news articles on the changing of administration would be good- like why they left, who the 2nd Administrator was. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:09, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Thak you, i will try to improve it ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.129.222.17 (talk) 18:09, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Super-antivandalistical

Been having an interesting discussion with this fella: User:Electrified Man]]

Hope all's well! _Fortuna ^{Imperatrix Mundi} 13:18, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Problematic AFC reviews

I have seen a few of your AFC reviews where you have declined submissions for being too short. Please note that article length is not among the valid reasons to decline a submission. A Stub is just as legitimate as a 100KB FA provided it complies with the actual minimum criteria of Notability and Verifiability. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:48, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

I've literally done this once, but point taken- although I don't personally believe a 2-line stub is anywhere good enough for a Wikipedia article. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:52, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Attack pages

Advice/Twinkle error on my side

When you get an attack page like the one just now, in my opinion {{Uw-attack}} is a better template to use than {{Db-negublp-notice}}, because it does not leave the victim's name showing on the attacker's talk page. I'm also doubtful about the value of a full welcome message for a newbie who starts with an attack page, but that's a matter of taste. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 22:06, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

@JohnCD: I meant to click attack not negatively sourced BLP, my mistake. Also, Twinkle decided to send the welcome message with the warning. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:09, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Ah, OK, probably Twinkle wouldn't send a welcome with "attack". Cheers, JohnCD (talk) 22:12, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

@JohnCD: Their sandbox is now an attack page, by the way. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:13, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

So I see. With attacks, I reckon two strikes and you're out. JohnCD (talk) 22:16, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

That seems fair enough, if you've done it twice you're clearly WP:NOTHERE. I'd already reported them to AIV, as I tend to if people make 2 attack pages. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:17, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Harvey Jason

Hi Joseph!

Thank for your wise message about my the Harvey Jason page edition. Well, first of all is the text that the very own Mr. Jason sent me, I will try to rewrite it according to Wikipedia standars, but, can you help me? I can send you the text he sent me if you want and can help me with the "wikification" Also if you want to verify Mr. Jason identity I can give you his personal email

Have a lovely day

Best

Acfu Acfu (talk) 23:35, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi, first of all, Harvey Jason doesn't get to choose what goes on the Wikipedia article about him- Wikipedia is an encylopedia, so everyone can contribute to it. Second of all, everything you added was promotional, not NPOV Thirdly, read WP:COI, you have a clear COI. Joseph2302 (talk) 23:38, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

A thought, or thoughts

I used to be a lot like you in my judgement over the handling black and white issues. Some days I am still. And I recognise I am making a large assumption in those statements, so I also offer you an immediate apology for making it.

I want to suggest something to you, despite appreciating your swift actions over the Lion Man.

Nothing on Wikipedia is ever urgent. We can undo great swathes of edits at the click of a mouse, and propose articles for deletion at leisure. The reason I mention this is that, before I understood it properly, it stressed me out trying to deal, "now, at once" with those who would abuse the place. I found that stress to be unhelpful. I slowed down, and found that unfailing and pleasant but determined politeness without any sense of urgency often resolved the situation. The outcome was unchanged, but my stress levels receded.

I wanted to suggest this to you in case you, too, found that dealing with our less desirable editors was stressful. It's just a suggestion. All I ask is that you understand it before accepting or rejecting it with a good heart. Fiddle Faddle 08:46, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

I agree with what you're saying, but the way I see it is that NLT policy is clear- no legal threats or implied legal threats, otherwise you get indef blocked, and all legal/possible legal threats should be reported to ANI. Usually I don't have a problem with unhelpful editors, but they were clearly WP:NOTHERE- everything they said was basically wrong, yet they were of the aggressive mentality that they were correct, and everyone else was wrong. I know that everything doesn't need doing immediately (and some of my related AfD nominations weren't well researched at all), but I believe the policy is clear that they should have been immediately blocked immediately under WP:NLT. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:30, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

As soon as the legal threat arrived there was no choice, I agree. I did some research on the gentleman and found, well, not a great deal. 'Not a great deal' often leads to bombast. He did seem to relish finding enough rope. Fiddle Faddle 11:43, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Mikroton Recordings

Hello,

you declined my article for the second time and I have to admit that I don't get the reason why you did so. Basically in Wikipedia you can find a lot of articles on independent record labels producing experimental, avant and improvised music like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexsound, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Editions_Mego, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kvitnu or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Improvised_Music_from_Japan. Mikroton is a well-known label in these circles where these labels work and even has a very good reputation among artists, distributed worldwide and has a wide press coverage.

Thanks and all the best, Vlad — Preceding unsigned comment added by Staalvlaad (talk • contribs) 10:17, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

With respect, all of those articles were created between 2003-2006, when the standards of Wikipedia articles wasn't so high- at a glance, I think most of them wouldn't be accepted today. Nowadays, we require reliable sources to show that things are notable, and your submission had no reliable sources. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:24, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

I'm trying to realize what reliable sources could be used for an active label. Reviews? Presence in e-commerce? Please help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Staalvlaad (talk • contribs) 12:38, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Götz Schulze

Decision reversed

I'm sorry but I really start fealing like in a communist bureaucracy :-( The last time I submitted the draft User:Millermk recommmended to resubmit after a lenghty discussion. Now you tell me Prof. Schulze still not notable although your guidelines clearly state that being "invited lectures at meetings of national or international scholarly societies" (here: Hague Academy) makes someone notable; in addition I linked two reviews of his habilitation showing that "the person has pioneered or developed a significant new concept, technique or idea, made a significant discovery or solved a major problem in their academic discipline". Could you please read the discussion between Millermk and me linked above and reverse your decision? Thanks! --130.133.8.114 (talk) 10:22, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Looks like they did basically tell you it's good enough, I've reversed my decision based on that, I thought it was 50/50 whether it was good enough, but clearly other people are more certain. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:22, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Tŷ Hafan (Charity)

Hi Joseph2302

You recently declined my submission for Tŷ Hafan (Charity), citing references not being notable enough.

I was hoping to run a few past you to check that they were suitable.

Tŷ Hafan was featured in the BBC programme ‘Beautiful Lives’ [1], a post was made on [2] discussing it.

Here is their submission for the Charity Commission [3]

Tŷ Hafan has also been featured in the South Wales Echo and other local papers that fall under the banner of Wales Online (www.walesonline.co.uk). Here are a couple of recent ones:

[4], [5], [6], [7]

Finally, here is the Inspection Report: [8]

Hopefully these will help to increase the notability.

Thanks very much

Rhod Harries (talk) 12:40, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

@Rhod Harries: Generally forums aren't considered a reliable source, however I think it's probably okay to link to the BBC Programme guide [9], which shows some notability (BBC don't make documentaries about anything). All the Wales Online ones seem fine, they're all about the organisation, and what they do. The Inspection Report is a decent secondary source too.

One area for improvement is the paragraph "HRH the Prince of Wales became patron in 2001. Current celebrity ambassadors are Leigh Halfpenny, Rhodri and Lucy Owen, Mark Colbourne, John Barrowman and Mark Wallace."- this doesn't have any sources, and if you can find reliable sources then that would be good, as lots of these are important people in Wales and elsewhere. I found [10] about Prince Charles. Also found [11] this about The Call Centre Tv programme endorsing the charity, which could be added.

Overall, I think if you add all those sources, then it probably is notable- being the only children's hospice in Wales seems like a notable enough claim to importance, and there does seem to be country-wide coverage in Wales about it. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:04, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Rhod Harries, opinions vary, but personally I would tend to regard even including the "celebrity ambassadors" as promotional name-dropping. DGG ( talk ) 22:44, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Really, because I don't see a problem with it, so long as it's sourced, and they actually support it. The fact that Prince Charles endorses it shows that it's important IMO (he tends to endorse only big charities). Joseph2302 (talk) 23:59, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

wording

Rather than "My question to you- are you being paid to create Wikipedia articles?" I would have said "If you have been creating articles for money, I urge you to declare it, in accordance with our our Terms of Use, particularly those dealing with paid contributions without disclosure " My personal opinion only, but that's what I say myself in such circumstances. I might help if you activated your email. DGG ( talk ) 22:42, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

I've reworded my comment as above- it's definitely a better phrasing. Also, is there a specific reason why I need to add my email? I've never really seen the advantage of it, since I find it easier if conversations are public, so others can contribute too. Joseph2302 (talk) 23:04, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

23:04:47, 12 May 2015 review of submission by Andrewp1986

• Andrewp1986 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Malka Marom (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I'm requestig a re-review because as you suggested I have altered the citations to reflect more reliable, secondary sources. I have also now cited the author's cite only twice out of 12 citations. If this is not enough could you please give me more suggestions? I've seen some articles with 1 or even no citations that have been approved so I'm not really sure what else I'm supposed to be doing.

Andrewp1986 (talk) 23:04, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

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Thank you very much, it's my pleasure to displease spammers and vandals, so that Wikipedia's encyclopedic value is upheld. Joseph2302 (talk) 01:05, 13 May 2015 (UTC)