User talk:Zander251/Archive 1

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Hi

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. Based on your username and user page, I wanted to suggest you may wish to add yourself to one of these categories for Christian Wikipedians. Also, you may wish to join WikiProject Baseball, as that is the area in which a few of your first edits have come. If you ever need any help, my name is Ben (User:Go Phightins! here on Wikipedia), and you are more than welcome to contact me on my talk page. Happy editing, and God bless :-) Go Phightins! 22:22, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for the suggestions. I have already added myself to Category:Born-again Christian Wikipedians, and I will consider joining that WikiProject. God bless you too. :) --A guy saved by Jesus (talk) 22:25, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

I couldn't help but notice your username (which describes me also). Thank you for your baseball statistical edits. Bob305 (talk) 20:33, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi. That's awesome; it's always nice to meet a fellow follower of Christ. And no problem; baseball's my favorite sport and I'm trying my best to help keep the player articles as statistically up-to-date as possible. God bless :) --A guy saved by Jesus (talk) 23:04, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

2015 Baltimore Orioles season#Game_log

Mistake Sorry Jdavi333 (talk) 03:49, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Re

Thank you but actually this is my alternate account I use where I use on public wifi and on campus or any other place where I don't trust the wifi (ive been here since 2007 when I was 13 actually), also I get lazy on warning people sometimes and this was one of those times once again thank you! Saturnoswald (talk) 01:06, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Oh, sorry about that. I guess it would have been a good idea for me to read your user page before giving you that message. Good to know for future reference though. And you're welcome! --A guy saved by Jesus (talk) 01:38, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Removal of units from List of military special forces

Hello,

you recently reverted some of my changes to the list for the United States SFs, I'd like to inform you that most of the units on that page are not infact Special Force but Special Operations Forces (yes, there is a difference!). 95% of units with special operations in the title are not special forces but special operations forces. I have served with many SOFs and SFs and both of them have agreed withme and get annyed when they are given the wrong title! The US Marines, US Air Force and Coast Guard do not have any speical forces but have special operations forces like Recon or Pararescue. By all means they are SOFs but not SFs like the SEALs, Delta, Rangers or Green Berets!

Kind Regards,

Lachlan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Militaryhistoryguru (talk • contribs) 01:34, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

No worries. Thank you for explaining. In the future, though, when making changes that involve removing content like that, it's always best to explain it in your edit summary. That way, you won't get reverted and have to make the edit again and also explain it to the user who reverted your edit. --A guy saved by Jesus (talk) 01:38, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for listening and the advice, I will certainly do that next time I need to edit something. -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Militaryhistoryguru (talk • contribs) 23:54, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Sock tagging

I'm watching the puzzling aggression at User talk:Bbb23. I think you're clear now the tagging should be done by admins or SPI clerks, and you're only asking "why?". Is that right? If so, if you wait a few minutes without posting to his page anymore (to avoid any further inexplicable bad blood) I'll try to explain why I think the rule is the way it is. I type slowly, tho. --Floquenbeam (talk) 17:39, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I'm asking why. I get that that's the rule but it honestly seems like one of the most pointless rules I've ever heard of. I actually e-mailed Bbb23 a few minutes ago because I still want an explanation but I don't want to edit war on his talk page. If you think you could explain it to me, though, go for it. --A guy saved by Jesus (talk) 17:41, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

I suspect there was nothing wrong with that particular tag on that particular page (I haven't looked), except that it's counter to the standard process. But there's a reason for the process. Sock tagging in general can be complicated and subject to interpretation, particularly in determining who the "master" is. Rather than have a rule that says "the easy stuff anyone can tag, and the complicated stuff requires an admin or SPI clerk", it takes up far less of everyone's time to have a rule that says "everything requires an admin or SPI clerk". Because otherwise you have to start arguing about where the boundary is between easy stuff and complicated stuff. The same theory is used to prevent anyone except Arbs and ArbCom clerks from editing an ArbCom page; in isolation, it wouldn't be a problem if Alice corrected someone else's spelling error, except then Bob wants to correct someone else's poor formatting, and Cindy thinks Doug is being rude and wants to redact his comment, and Doug thinks it's not rude and puts it back in... easier to just say "no thanks, we've got this". This is mostly just a guess by me; if you're still curious you could ask for the reason behind the process at WT:SPI, in case I missed a better reason.

I'm not necessarily defending this approach, just describing it. And I can't leave without also saying that I generally find sock tagging a waste of time, so even if you could do it, it probably wouldn't be worth your time. --Floquenbeam (talk) 17:50, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Well, the reason why I tagged User:Angela Merkel is sexy as the sockmaster is because that account was registered before the other associated ones. And I don't see why it wouldn't be important to keep track of a user's sockpuppets. --A guy saved by Jesus (talk) 17:53, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

You might have missed my overarching point: I'm not arguing this particular one wasn't easy or that you did it wrong; I'm saying the powers that be at SPI have come to the conclusion that it's easier in the long run for them to just handle all of it, the easy ones and the hard ones, rather than try to undo the occasional incorrect tagging of the hard ones that would probably happen if everyone could apply the tags. Frankly, SPI work is unrewarding and sucks, and I'm willing to give SPI people pretty wide lattitude in how they want to run their area, even if it runs a little counter to traditional "wiki" philosophy. It doesn't explain the strange aggression you encountered, but the end result is I'd leave it to them. --Floquenbeam (talk) 18:02, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

It looks like Floq has done a reasonable job explaining to you the thinking behind what I told you, although he's obviously not very happy with my attitude (not the first time). Just wanted to add a few comments. I am not better than you are because I'm an admin or because I'm a checkuser. In both instances some of my responsibilities are different from yours, and my permissions are more extensive, but that doesn't make me "better". You're not the first editor who likes to tag userpages, which might explain some of my "aggression" as I deal with it more often than I'd like. There are many components that go into a decision whether to tag a userpage, and the admin, clerk, or checkuser has wide discretion when to tag and how. If I see an editor tag a userpage, sometimes I leave it alone, but if I have to figure out (a) whether it could be tagged that way and (b) whether there might be a reason the blocking admin didn't tag it, I revert the editor's tagging. Finally, I'm not fond of protracted discussions on Wikipedia. Indeed, I avoid ANI as there almost is no such thing as a short discussion there. To the extent I offended you by my "attitude", I apologize. I mulled it over before I even saw this discussion and felt I reacted too harshly.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:14, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

I appreciate and accept your apology. I understand that you weren't trying to imply that you were better than me, but you're right that that's how I interpreted it because of the attitude. I'll let it go because it's really not that important though. Anyways, I wanted to inform you that one of the socks actually re-added the tag to their own talk page, in case you think it should be reverted in this case. --A guy saved by Jesus (talk) 18:27, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

I reverted the edit, thanks. BTW, I never received an e-mail from you.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:35, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Hmm, that's odd. Maybe there was a technical problem and it failed to send. But it was basically asking the same questions I had been asking you on your talk page, and now that I have had those questions answered, it's not a big deal anymore. --A guy saved by Jesus (talk) 18:46, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Jason Vargas

I never made that edit to the Jason Vargas page. Thank you for undoing it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iknowthegoods (talk • contribs) 04:50, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Did someone hack your account? If so, you might want to change your password and/or change your settings so you don't stay logged in after you close Wikipedia. --A guy saved by Jesus (talk) 21:23, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Miss Universe Edit

The mention of "Miss Earth" on the Miss Universe page is a way for a minor pageant to market itself by tagging along with established major worldwide contests like Miss World and Miss Universe. It is unfair to other international pageants like Miss International, Miss Grand International, Miss Intercontinental, Miss Supranational etc.

Wikipedia should be a source for accurate information not a tool for minor pageants like Miss Earth to market itself by distorting reality or being the lone free rider. Either all other minor international pageants should be mentioned in the article or none. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fanofmissworld (talk • contribs) 21:43, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for explaining. --A guy saved by Jesus (talk) 22:17, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Bronson Arroyo

Any reason why you shouldn't be blocked for edit warring too? --NeilN ^{talk to me} 05:01, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Because the IP was going against WP:BASEBALL standard practice, making personal attacks, and then blatantly vandalizing the page. I thought the 3RR didn't count for reverting vandalism? --A guy saved by Jesus (talk) 05:04, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

A revert for "going against WP:BASEBALL standard practice" is not exempt from WP:3RR. [1], [2], [3], [4]. The only reason I'm not blocking you is because the IP veered off into pure disruption. In the future, please stop reverting before you break WP:3RR and use the talk page (not edit summaries) to discuss and point to prior relevant discussions. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 05:12, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

You can't use your "opinion" that it was vandalism (even if it was), that opens up a huge subjective view as to what is or isn't vandalism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Angus31 (talk • contribs) 05:42, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Hey, NeilN, I'd just like to apologize for how I acted with that edit war a few nights ago. I apologize for being smug and I recognize now that the IP's edits (with the exception of the blatant vandalism) were in good faith, and that I should have stopped reverting at three. I'm grateful that you decided not to block me, and in the future, I will do all I can to avoid edit wars. --A guy saved by Jesus (talk) 04:12, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

No problem. I know how irritating it is to have a random editor show up and start editing against accepted practice. If you can point to a discussion where editors came to a consensus on formatting, content, etc., that makes it easier to deal with the situation. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 11:20, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

NBA draft night

That's nice solution to prevent editors from putting content. Bravo!--AirWolf ^talk 04:04, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. It's going to be tedious for me to add those hidden notes to all the draftees' pages, but it's for the good of Wikipedia, so I'm happy to do it. --A guy saved by Jesus (talk) 04:12, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Rollback

I have granted the "rollbacker" permission to your account. After a review of some of your contributions, I believe you can be trusted to use rollback for its intended usage of reverting vandalism, and that you will not abuse it by reverting good-faith edits or to revert-war. For information on rollback, see Wikipedia:New admin school/Rollback and Wikipedia:Rollback feature. If you do not want rollback, contact me and I will remove it. Good luck and thanks. – Gilliam (talk) 04:07, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, Gilliam! I actually requested rollback a little under two months ago but was denied because I didn't have enough experience reverting vandalism, and I was actually going to request it again soon. Thanks and I'll do my best to put it to good use! --A guy saved by Jesus (talk) 04:12, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. You may want to consider enabling WP:TWINKLE because it makes warning vandals much easier.– Gilliam (talk) 04:15, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

stop changing he already sign a contract with them so stop

Stop changing the info he already sign a contract with lakers so stop damn! Veltrez15 (talk) 22:30, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

No, Veltrez15, Russell has not signed a contract with the Lakers. He has been drafted by them, but that does not automatically mean that he is signed to a contract with them. I did a Google search on him and there is nothing in the news about him actually signing a contract yet. Per WP:CRYSTAL, the infobox is not to say that he is on the Lakers until he actually has signed with them, which he has not. --A guy saved by Jesus (talk) 22:37, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Please see

Please see Talk:Americas#Language Order. You, like the IP, provided no justification for the revert which is why I have left you this notice. Thanks! Dustin (talk) 15:34, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Karl Anthony towns

In the section on his high school career it states a 3.96 GPA out of a possible 4.87. It's attributed to source #5. I checked the NY Times article and makes no mention of a 4.87 scale. It makes no mention at all . It seems this edit is merely an attempt to vandalize his academic reputation. Frankly, I am concerned there were prejudicial motivations for such.

But I'm not sure how it can be changed Brandonmusic (talk) 01:52, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

What

I made a good edit it does not say what number he is Zach.werner (talk) 17:46, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

caps

Got it, what about a proper noun though still caps right?--AlphaMonkey12 (talk) 21:50, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes. --A guy saved by Jesus (talk) 21:51, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

User:Ptb1997 is refusing to listen...again

Hi, A guy saved by Jesus; I hope you are doing well.

If you're unaware of how the NASCAR WikiProject functions, we log all drivers' results in tables on the respective driver's article. The template for the Daytona 500 results table can be found here (and to confirm that I do not own the tables, other users (here and here) have the same templates in their sandbox).. As you can see, there is a parameter for the driver's car number in the main Sprint Cup table, but not in the Daytona 500 table. User:Ptb1997 started to add the numbers to the Daytona 500 tables for several drivers (as can be seen here) and I left him a message on his talk page asking him to either stop adding them or go to the WikiProject talk page to discuss the issue. Instead, he promptly reverted my message. I left him a second message asking him if he even read the first, which has also been reverted without any further input or discussion from him. I'm not sure this warrants a block (yet), but since you appear to be far more knowledgeable about ANI than I am, I thought I'd ask you to A) give me some advice and B) keep an eye out for him in the future in case you run into him again. Thanks, --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 17:28, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

I'm not refusing to listen. I'm listening very well. I do get that I can't add the car numbers to those tables. I think it's because that those numbers are in the results table above the Daytona 500 results table. I'm sorry. Ptb1997 (talk) 17:32, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

@Ptb1997: Thanks, but it would still be helpful if you would respond to my messages and let me know that you understand rather than just blanking your page (especially on the second message, since I was trying to find out if you even read the first). --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 17:55, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Okay, I'll try to do that from now on. Ptb1997 (talk) 17:57, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

• To further add to the point, Ptb1997 has been persistently making unconstructive edits to the 2012 Daytona 500 article (which has been nominated at GAN) by removing sourced material as shown here and here. I, like Bentvfan54321, left him a message on his talk page to inform him to advise him to make an edit summary to explain his changes. However, he decided to revert my message without any discussion and made unexplained reversions of the article which is shown here and here. Ptb1997 also left a message saying he was "tired" of me reverting to the article's previous state and I said that his behavior on Wikipedia was not acceptable and he later deleted my message. @Bentvfan54321: I would have to agree with your view that Ptb1997 needs to be kept an eye on as he could cause larger problems in the future. A guy saved by Jesus would Ptb1997's behavior warrant a block? Z105space (talk) 18:26, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

@Z105space: I'm not an admin, but some of his editing patterns are clearly disruptive, and if they continue as such, I'd recommend reporting him to the administrators' noticeboard. --A guy saved by Jesus (talk) 18:56, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Joseph Nathan

If there's an existing redirect, you should check incoming links before you change it. This edit left four incoming links behind that all refer to a New Zealand businessperson, and not the American baseball player you redirected it to. Schwede66 21:05, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

My bad, I will be careful about that next time. --A guy saved by Jesus (talk) 22:02, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

A Barnstar for you!

		The Redirect Barnstar
		Your diligent work in the area of redirect categorization and improvement is duly recognized and greatly appreciated. You are truly one of the unsung heroes of Wikipedia, and we hope you continue to enjoy your improvement of this awesome encyclopedia! Compassionate727 (talk) 18:00, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, Compassionate727! --A guy saved by Jesus (talk) 22:44, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Why are you deleting statistics.

I edited information for the Mike Trout page mentioning that he won back to back all star MVPs. Why did you remove that statistic? Chippewa69 (talk) 04:12, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Because it is not considered notable enough to be in the infobox. --A guy saved by Jesus (talk) 04:13, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

A first and only award winner is a notable statistic in my opinion