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*'''Oppose''' - Someone saw fit to provide a narrative devoted exclusively to expounding on Robinson's eight year residence in the White House of the United States. That her residence in the White House occurred during the term(s) of a Presidency that so radically departed from a cultural climate that had been the very definition of the American Experience for the entirety of its previous history would suffice to offer a strong argument that future historians would regard valid a singular commentary regarding anyone so intimately intertwined into the fabric of the lives of others likewise seemingly representing such a stark sea change in this country's cultural and political climate. Whatever mechanism spplied for vetting given profiles for a standard for contributions and imprint on cultural experiences, more than a few not paralleling Ms. Robinson's,has heretofore deemed justified the inclusion of such individuals' public profiles via Wikipedia archiving. That Ms. Robinson lived in the White House for eight consecutive and (most pertinently) unique and extraordinary years in intimate proximity of the First Family of the United States,regardless of (if not amplified by) the reason, is sufficiently unique to well exceed the litmus test that seems to have been and continues to be applied to determine a legitimate claim for inclusion of her historical profile in its own right. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2602:306:80DD:2720:1945:EDCC:CD29:306E|2602:306:80DD:2720:1945:EDCC:CD29:306E]] ([[User talk:2602:306:80DD:2720:1945:EDCC:CD29:306E#top|talk]]) 07:53, 31 July 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
*'''Oppose''' - Someone saw fit to provide a narrative devoted exclusively to expounding on Robinson's eight year residence in the White House of the United States. That her residence in the White House occurred during the term(s) of a Presidency that so radically departed from a cultural climate that had been the very definition of the American Experience for the entirety of its previous history would suffice to offer a strong argument that future historians would regard valid a singular commentary regarding anyone so intimately intertwined into the fabric of the lives of others likewise seemingly representing such a stark sea change in this country's cultural and political climate. Whatever mechanism spplied for vetting given profiles for a standard for contributions and imprint on cultural experiences, more than a few not paralleling Ms. Robinson's,has heretofore deemed justified the inclusion of such individuals' public profiles via Wikipedia archiving. That Ms. Robinson lived in the White House for eight consecutive and (most pertinently) unique and extraordinary years in intimate proximity of the First Family of the United States,regardless of (if not amplified by) the reason, is sufficiently unique to well exceed the litmus test that seems to have been and continues to be applied to determine a legitimate claim for inclusion of her historical profile in its own right. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2602:306:80DD:2720:1945:EDCC:CD29:306E|2602:306:80DD:2720:1945:EDCC:CD29:306E]] ([[User talk:2602:306:80DD:2720:1945:EDCC:CD29:306E#top|talk]]) 07:53, 31 July 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:: Hard to make sense of this lengthy position, but the rationale can be summed up as "she lived in the White House for 8 years (and those were awesome years), therefore she deserves an article of her own." That is not the litmus test here on Wikipedia: [[WP:INHERIT|Notability is not inherited.]] If she's only famous because she happened to live with the President and First Lady, that would be a case of inheriting notability from them. Per policy, she should be mentioned in their articles, and that's not enough have her own. — [[User:JFG|JFG]] <sup>[[User talk:JFG|talk]]</sup> 17:55, 31 July 2017 (UTC) |
:: Hard to make sense of this lengthy position, but the rationale can be summed up as "she lived in the White House for 8 years (and those were awesome years), therefore she deserves an article of her own." That is not the litmus test here on Wikipedia: [[WP:INHERIT|Notability is not inherited.]] If she's only famous because she happened to live with the President and First Lady, that would be a case of inheriting notability from them. Per policy, she should be mentioned in their articles, and that's not enough have her own. — [[User:JFG|JFG]] <sup>[[User talk:JFG|talk]]</sup> 17:55, 31 July 2017 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' - There are reliable secondary sources, thus notable - [[WP:BASIC]] and [[WP:GNG]]. -[[User:Xcuref1endx|Xcuref1endx]] ([[User talk:Xcuref1endx|talk]]) 05:15, 1 August 2017 (UTC) |
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Surely the last sentence of the introductory paragraph is opinion rather than fact. Did she write it herself? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.100.206 (talk) 19:07, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
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The link to the relevant page about Michelle Obama in the White House website has changed to: https://www.whitehouse.gov/1600/first-ladies/michelleobama The old page (which the current link in the article refers to) is still available at the Archived site: https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/administration/first-lady-michelle-obama — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snufkinit (talk • contribs) 13:14, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
Merger proposal for Marian Shields Robinson
- Support has been tagged with notability issues, seems a clear-and-cut case of WP:INHERITED, not independently notable. Note:Article was tagged with a merge tag, but no discussion was initiated. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 05:50, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose due to her coverage in reliable sources and de facto position as "First Grandmother". MB298 (talk) 00:48, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
- Support She just doesn't seem to be notable enough other than being Michelle Obama's mother to have her own page. Unless there is more content for her page it's better to merge. The article is so short it seems like a stub. - Bokmanrocks01 (talk) 00:29, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
- Support Does not seem to be notable enough on her own to have a separate page. Mymis (talk) 16:28, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose if more information & coverage from reliable sources can be found, if not, Support. Amandarobertson (talk) 12:18, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose, her notability comes from her living in the White House for the eight years of her son-in-law's presidency. This hasn't happened for a First Family grandparent since Elivera M. Doud in the 1950s. And per adequate sources. Randy Kryn 17:14, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
- If her notability only "comes from her living in the White House", that's actually an argument for merging. A paragraph in Michelle Obama's article is largely sufficient to point out this factoid. — JFG talk 06:22, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose, There is enough content to be standalone and I'm sure more content will come about later with more books from Michelle Obama. <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=2C_aCwAAQBAJ&pg=PP8&lpg=PP8&dq=michelle+obama+book+library+of+congress&source=bl&ots=AukBc2OAXU&sig=MSB-CBkHPMCEkVshqFUR0JKMNs4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi7x7b78p3VAhWojFQKHVBDBNMQ6AEIWTAN#v=onepage&q=michelle%20obama%20book%20library%20of%20congress&f=false<ref> 17:00, 22 July 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.229.79.234 (talk)
- Merge – No independent notability. What has she done besides being nicknamed the "First Grannie"? And now that the Obama presidency is over, there is little likelihood that this article on his mother-in-law could be expanded further. — JFG talk 19:09, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
- Support Unlike Michelle Obama, Robinson hasn't done anything notable that requires its own Wikipedia page. Merge it into information about Obama's family life. Woebegone (talk) 22:05, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose - much coverage in reliable sources, and no reason to bog down the Michelle Obama page or the already overcrowded family page. She has played a significant role in the 8 year presidency and therefore in American history. No reason to delete. Tvoz/talk 04:23, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
- May I ask what "significant role" she has played, other than happening to be the mother of the First Lady? — JFG talk 05:37, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
- Not just "happened" to be mother of the FL - she lived in the White House which is of historical significance and has had sufficient RS coverage regarding her role already and will surely figure significantly in future biographies of the Obamas. Tvoz/talk 02:35, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
- I doubt it, but we can agree to disagree. — JFG talk 06:20, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
- Not just "happened" to be mother of the FL - she lived in the White House which is of historical significance and has had sufficient RS coverage regarding her role already and will surely figure significantly in future biographies of the Obamas. Tvoz/talk 02:35, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
- May I ask what "significant role" she has played, other than happening to be the mother of the First Lady? — JFG talk 05:37, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose - Someone saw fit to provide a narrative devoted exclusively to expounding on Robinson's eight year residence in the White House of the United States. That her residence in the White House occurred during the term(s) of a Presidency that so radically departed from a cultural climate that had been the very definition of the American Experience for the entirety of its previous history would suffice to offer a strong argument that future historians would regard valid a singular commentary regarding anyone so intimately intertwined into the fabric of the lives of others likewise seemingly representing such a stark sea change in this country's cultural and political climate. Whatever mechanism spplied for vetting given profiles for a standard for contributions and imprint on cultural experiences, more than a few not paralleling Ms. Robinson's,has heretofore deemed justified the inclusion of such individuals' public profiles via Wikipedia archiving. That Ms. Robinson lived in the White House for eight consecutive and (most pertinently) unique and extraordinary years in intimate proximity of the First Family of the United States,regardless of (if not amplified by) the reason, is sufficiently unique to well exceed the litmus test that seems to have been and continues to be applied to determine a legitimate claim for inclusion of her historical profile in its own right. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:80DD:2720:1945:EDCC:CD29:306E (talk) 07:53, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
- Hard to make sense of this lengthy position, but the rationale can be summed up as "she lived in the White House for 8 years (and those were awesome years), therefore she deserves an article of her own." That is not the litmus test here on Wikipedia: Notability is not inherited. If she's only famous because she happened to live with the President and First Lady, that would be a case of inheriting notability from them. Per policy, she should be mentioned in their articles, and that's not enough have her own. — JFG talk 17:55, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose - There are reliable secondary sources, thus notable - WP:BASIC and WP:GNG. -Xcuref1endx (talk) 05:15, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
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