User talk:Netherzone

A page you started (Eleanor Munro) has been reviewed!

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Thank you for reviewing the page, Scope creep. I will look for an image that is copyright free to upload. Netherzone (talk) 23:26, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Or use Fair Use, if one is not available. scope_creep (talk) 23:28, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you and post-event survey for Women in Red 45/Met Open Access Artworks Challenge!

I award you with this barnstar of William the Faience Hippopotamus in recognition of your good work at the Women in Red 45/Met Open Access Artworks Challenge!

We'd like to invite your participation in the post-event survey for the Met Open Access Artworks Challenge.--Pharos (talk) 23:30, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Dear Pharos Took the survey, and thanks for the William the Hippo barnstar! And special thanks for everything you do for Wikipedia! Netherzone (talk) 23:59, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Rollback on "Pondcrete"

Hi! I do accept your rollback of removing an image I deemed unrelated. But I'd like to understand why you think it's related. To me, it looks unrelated in this way: Pondcrete is a specific material used in one of the methods used to store radioactive waste on site. That did partially fail, and poses lots of related hazards, like in handling failed containers. There is a closely related method using "saltcrete", and I would see methods of storing and handling radioactive waste as related. Now, the picture shows fire damage somewhere inside a building of the huge Rocky Flats factory. Pondcrete is not used inside the building, but only in open fields on the large area related to the factory. Also, the hazards of the pondcrete blocks are not related to fire - that's the one thing they can easily protect from, because the failed blocks failed because they are to moist. To me, the picture is not more related than a random picture of a problem in the factory. (Now, it's not that important, of course, so don't waste too much Wikipedia time answering this!)

A barnstar for you!

	The Citation Barnstar
	For your substantial work on Bernadette Vigil. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 19:57, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:T. Rex (band)#RfC on Disputed Reformations section

Hi

I notice with interest that you have put a Citation Needed tag on the statement on the T.Rex (band) article which says that Bolan's death effectively ended the band. That was input by User Woovee who has blanked off a section about later disputed "reunions" of T.Rex and also the death dates of various band members in an apparent POV drive relating to the idea that there can be no T.Rex without Marc Bolan. He/she/it/they seems hell bent on eradicating any mention of Mickey Finn's T-Rex from Wikipedia. Woovee is being extremely aggressive (borderline abusive) on the RfC - perhaps you could be the person to sort him/her/it/them out?

Hope you can help!

By the way, I'm the same person who worked with you on the 2010s section of the Women in punk rock article some months back.2.24.71.107 (talk) 23:54, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Thnx for the heads up, I was reading thru the massive amount of text on the talk page. Just left a comment on the RfC. Nice seeing you here. Netherzone (talk) 03:51, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

November 2019

Hi Netherzone

Woovee has been at work again lately on the T.Rex (band) article and [has blanked off a short section containing a summary of Steve Peregrin Took's post-Bolan career, noting that Finn was not a songwriter as well as comments by Tony Visconti about Finn's inferiority to Took as a vocalist]. Woovee claims that the section was "Off topic and cut the flow" I think the section was relevant and important as not only was Tyrannosarus Rex not the autocracy that T.Rex was - at least not in public - it serves well to highlight the difference between Took who had effectively artistically outgrown Tyrannosaurus Rex and Finn who was a yes-man creatively unthreatening to Bolan, and thus underlines the shifting dynamics of the band at this time.
I am deeply concerned about Woovee's edit as it seems to further confirm that Woovee has a fan-politics agenda (shutting down discussion of Took's post-Bolan career is a common practice among more monotheistic Bolan fans.) I would simply revert the edit but I am concerned that this will just end up in a revert war, so I am seeking your views on this edit so we can establish some consensus on what to do about this one. (In fact, to be honest, I would prefer it if you did the revert if you're okay with that.) 2.26.165.77 (talk) 19:34, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

I saw the edit you are deeply concerned about and to me it does not seem of great concern. It seems fine for you to go ahead and work on improving the section with reliable sources and not feel intimidated. It doesn't have to escalate to an edit war. The first part of the content removed is relevant to the article, however the comments by Visconti seem gossipy and not so relevant.Netherzone (talk) 19:10, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Well I tried! Woovee probably won't like your edit either, but best of luck anyway.

It's worth pointing out that Woovee's claims in the debate on the talk page about how Marc was the whole of T.Rex and it was just him and some sidemen doesn't wash with the Tyrannosaurus Rex era because, as I pointed out, "Both lineups of Tyrannosaurus Rex were presented, at least to the hippy public, as a band with two individuals, constantly together for promotion." 2.24.71.253 (talk) 12:31, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

I understand what the problem is. No one person owns the article, altho some editors may feel or believe differently. There is no good reason to diminish the other bandmembers, or the tribute bands for that matter. I'd encourage you to continue to work on the article as you see fit, as long as additional edits are backed up with reliable source citations. No need to worry about edit warring as long as the 3R rule is not broken. It is a historical fact that T.Rex was a band, and not just Marc Bolan-plus-sidekicks masquerading as a band. On a related note, I removed the gossipy quote by Visconti on Mickey Finn. I think there should be something more in the section about Finn, but what was there was superficial and was sourced directly to Bolan's website, making it a primary source. There certainly must be something of more substance out there. Netherzone (talk) 20:24, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Art-Language

Hello Netherzone, I have mainly written this article and the discussion we are having about merging it with the Art & Language article raised another interesting discussion. As far as I know the journal has always been an Art & Language project with time to time invited contributors. What makes you think that after 1972 the journal was not anymore a project of Art & Language? All my very best, --Philippe49730 (talk) 12:27, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your message User:Philippe49730. I may have misunderstood something I read during the debate of the two articles. Will check on this. If what you are saying is accurate then my sense is that merging is in fact the appropriate course of action. Netherzone (talk) 13:53, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks

Nice job on rescuing Weston Teruya. It is odd that the collections work is all drawing and not the more activist-centred work he is doing now. In any case I failed to make a few connecitons there, and thank you for your research.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 00:18, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi ThatMontrealIP, It's true that here in the states many institutions are shy about collecting activist work (unless the artist is very famous). It's too bad that is the case, and probably has to do with trustees and acquisition committees' personal politics. I'll keep looking to see if I can find some additional citations on Teruya, right now I'm leaning towards a keep, but haven't !voted. And many thanks to you for all you do on en-WP, esp. in the visual arts! Netherzone (talk) 00:56, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

I withdrew it, as he seems to meet WP:ARTIST now. Thank you also for your excellent work in the vis arts!ThatMontrealIP (talk) 01:33, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

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FYI

I very much respect your opinions too!ThatMontrealIP (talk) 00:24, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Montreal it's a pleasure to work on Visual Arts stuff with you. Netherzone (talk) 00:37, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

WiR stub contest

Hi there, Netherzone, and thanks for participating in the stub contest. I've just been checking your articles and see that Janet Goldner only runs to 109 words and Laura Splan to 112 words. We are aiming for a minimum of 160 words of running text. Running text (sometimes known as readable prose) excludes tables, references, headings, etc. You can check the length of any article by using Xtools article info and looking under "Prose" for characters and words. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 15:49, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

@Ipigott: Hello and thank you for your message. I'll use the Xtool to check word count (excluding references) in the future, and will go back and modify those two stubs. Ever onward...! Netherzone (talk) 16:29, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

 Done Netherzone (talk) 17:12, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

I am pretty sure

That on Pierre K we are actually dealing with the artist. Who else would be that interested?ThatMontrealIP (talk) 16:39, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

ThatMontrealIP Yes, I too am pretty sure that is the case. Moving/redirecting the user page was odd. I agree that the level of interest in the article seems to substantiate this, as does the fact that they are an SPA for the article and lists where they added PK. It does not seem that they are here to build an encyclopedia. Netherzone (talk) 17:16, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

Agreed. You might have missed this as it got deleted by that user (for a time), but the redirect seems to have come automatically from them building the draft on their user page and then moving the page. In any case I agree it's likely an autobiography.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 17:26, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

• The younger Tondino is the same case as above. I imagine it will all end up the same way. The story is awfully familiar!ThatMontrealIP (talk) 16:25, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

ThatMontrealIP I agree with you that we are probably dealing with someone very close. It appears that this is the third nomination for deletion (the first nomination states that it was recreated, so the "2nd" nom is actually the 3rd.) Let's hope it does not reincarnate if it is deleted again this time. I hope I did not seem to harsh with the editor but I felt it was best to be direct. Netherzone (talk) 18:05, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Today in Op Art

Our favourite artist supporting his own page is just a troll supporting an autobiography. Unfortunately it seems his strategy is working.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 23:01, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

ThatMontrealIP It's surprising that others don't jump into this obvious transgression of what this encyclopedia is about. The Mynt case was also surprising. Is this the new linked-in for mediocre self-promoters? Perhaps it is time to re-examine the guidelines/policies? Netherzone (talk) 23:14, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

I asked an admin to have a look at our favourite op artist. It's impressive how well they troll users (myself included) into engaging.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 18:33, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

I just applied a G12 copyvio speedy to the page, as lo and behold, it is 89% lifted from this page.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 18:53, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

Interesting! Netherzone (talk) 20:28, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

they were blocked and the page was deleted. Balance has returned.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 20:44, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

ThatMontrealIP The high drama has ended at last! Thank you for everything you have done to expedite this. Netherzone (talk) 20:49, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

Ah, it was a team effort!ThatMontrealIP (talk) 20:55, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	For the obvious! ThatMontrealIP (talk) 18:54, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the glitter, my excellent fellow defender of the wiki. Glad that you took the matter to the next level. Netherzone (talk) 12:49, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard

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Your edit - vandalism or honest cock-up?

I very much hope the latter, but please be more careful. Johnbod (talk) 19:13, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi Johnbod I'm confused by your message. Was there something wrong in my thanking the folks on WiR for improving the article Gloria Ouida Lee? If that's not the correct thing to do or is a violation of policy, please let me know. I didn't know what a "cock-up" is but I looked it up and it is "something done badly or inefficiently". Either way, it certainly was not vandalism. Please advise, your opinion is important to me. Netherzone (talk) 19:25, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Look at the diff - you also removed a (rather rude, let's be honest) comment I had made above (I've restored). But clearly it was a cock-up, so fine. Not sure how it happened - perhaps this pesky new edit conflict tool. But there was a 2 hr interval, so you were probably editing an old version of the page somehow. Cheers, Johnbod (talk) 19:29, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

I did not remove yours or anyone else's comment - I would not do that. I'm not sure what happened, all I did was to thank people for their help on an article. Sorry if I may have edited an old version, and that messed it up, but please know that I would never deliberately vandalize or "cock something up" on Wikipedia. Netherzone (talk) 19:37, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

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Hello, Netherzone! Thank you for your work to maintain and improve Wikipedia! Wishing you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
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HNY

A belated happy new year! I wish you a year of good editing. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 03:07, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind wishes for 2020, ThatMontrealIP. The very best to you and yours in the coming year. See you around the wikiverse! Netherzone (talk) 03:20, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Desert Hot Springs (thermal mineral springs)

Hello. I am wondering if it might be better to retitle the article Desert Hot Springs (thermal mineral springs) to Desert Hot Springs geothermal resource area. My thought is to focus the article on the geologic features of the area and how the geology results in the hot springs, rather than just the springs themselves.

Please see the article at the URL: [1]

Let me know what you think. OvertAnalyzer (talk) 18:29, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi @OvertAnalyzer: thank you for your message and your interest in hot springs. I am unable to access the article you linked as it is flagged by my spam detector. I am not interested in renaming the article to DHS geothermal resource area. I am working on a project on hot springs themselves, not on their use-value as resources nor as commercial properties. You are welcome to add information on the geology of the area to the existing article, or you might wish to create a new article focusing specifically on the geothermal energy resources in the SoCal Inland Empire area. Kindly, the Netherzone (talk) 00:01, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

@Netherzone:I think we are both thinking about the article in the same way. Maybe the use of the word "resource" was misleading. The link I sent you is a scientific PDF document about the hot springs and their geology. Not sure why it would be flagged as spam. Sometimes a PDF can contain viruses, but my detector said it is OK. A few other similar Wikipedia articles use the term "geothermal area". I like to avoid parenthetical phrases when possible, especially in titles, but I'll leave it to you to decide on the title though. I'll see what I can find to add to the information. Thanks for getting back to me. OvertAnalyzer (talk) 03:11, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

@OvertAnalyzer: Hello again. The link in your message goes to a gmail inbox (not mine) so I think you are copying the link from your own gmail to the PDF. If you copy the URL of the actual (online) PDF and send that, then I may be able to read it. The project I'm working on has to do with hot springs as natural phenomena. I've been helping to clean up the list of hot springs around the world, and several individual articles on hot springs that became magnets for spam, ads, and WP:PROMO - to hotels, motels, spas, resorts, "healing centers" - clearly a violation of WP:NOT. I've created a new list that just focuses on the US, and am creating new articles and articles from redlinks for those that are notable. I respect your opinion, and offer for help, but I'd really like to keep the title as Desert Hot Springs (thermal mineral springs). It does not seem to be problematic, and there are many articles with parenthetic content - it helps with dismbigulation. As above, any information you would like to contribute regarding geography, geology, hydrology, mineral content of water, etc. would be super. Netherzone (talk) 17:24, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

@Netherzone:Sorry about that. I corrected the link. After looking at even more articles probably my original suggestion was not quite on the mark. Although the term "Desert Hot Springs Geothermal Resource Area" is used in the article, I find other articles that refer to hot springs in general as "hydrothermal springs" or "hydrothermal zones". In any case, I rescind my original suggestion. Sorry about the fuss. Thanks for listening. OvertAnalyzer (talk) 01:58, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

@OvertAnalyzer: I was able to retrieve the PDF from the updated URL, and started a new section, Geology, and also added more detailed info on the mineral content to the Water Profile section. Thank you for your help in providing this document, it has been added to the references. Netherzone (talk) 16:44, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Archiving

NZ, which archiver are you using up at the top? Is it one-click? I have designed, built an used some pretty intensely complicated technological systems in my day, but I always get befuddled whenever I get close to the Wikipedia archiving code.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 03:52, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi @ThatMontrealIP: I think you may have left this message by mistake on my talk page. Hope all is well. Netherzone (talk) 14:14, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Oh, maybe not a mistake - NZ=Netherzone? Ha, I thought it meant New Zealand! I followed the instructions on a WP essay, I will see if I can find it. It was super easy to do. Later today or tomorrow I'll search for the tool. Netherzone (talk) 14:17, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

@ThatMontrealIP:Check this essay, it may be it, but I don't have the time now to read it to make sure it's the one I followed. [2] Good luck with the archiving. Netherzone (talk) 14:19, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Better, bolder, edits

Thanks Netherzone! At the Hunter's Hot Springs article, I had the idea to do the same editing you did – to just remove all the advertorial links and references possibly added by the proprietors and sitting there for almost a decade, but I was just not as bold as you were. Even though it's totally policy to do this, for some reason I let it stand. 😞

Your work here and over the past years is appreciated. Regards. – ░▒▓ №∶72.234.220.38 (talk) 23:25, 27 June 2020 (UTC) ▓▒░

Thank you for your kind words, 72.234.220.38. I've been trying to clean up spam on various hot springs articles after noticing that several were being used as advertising for spa resorts. Nice to meet you here. Netherzone (talk) 00:14, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Same, and you're welcome. Again, appreciated. Hot springs and other natural type place articles are something I'm also into and have seen them edited with links and paragraphs pimping a spa, hotel, rafting service, etc. I'll follow your lead and edit them away when seen. 👍 Regards. – ░▒▓ №∶72.234.220.38 (talk) 02:19, 29 June 2020 (UTC) ▓▒░

Thank you for working on temperature conversions, 72.234.220.38 on some of the hot springs articles. I will look at the code to understand how you do this, as I've been manually typing this data into hot springs articles when I have that information. Do you happen to know if there is a shortcut to convert GPS location coordinates, into the standard format for coordinates that are used in WP? The two main source books I use have coordinates in the GPS style. Netherzone (talk) 14:55, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Most welcome. The {{convert}} template is easy (at least for temperatures). For coordinates, there is a template that takes different types. You can see some documentation starting here. If you need to convert between the types: Decimal Degrees (DD), Degrees Decimal Minutes (DDM) & Degrees Minutes Seconds (DMS), check out these sites:

• www.gps-coordinates.net/gps-coordinates-converter
• www.pgc.umn.edu/apps/convert/
• ngmdb.usgs.gov/maps/TopoView/viewer/#12/42.22088/-120.36907

The last one allows you to go to a place on the map and it'll give you the numeric coordinates. Hope this helps?

Oh, ps. {{ping}}ing another user using [[u|72.234.220.38]] won't work, that just creates a wikilink to the letter "u" 😁. [[user:72.234.220.38]] may be what you're after. Regards. – ░▒▓ №∶72.234.220.38 (talk) 03:26, 3 July 2020 (UTC) ▓▒░

Thanks again! Netherzone (talk) 22:39, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Carmel Valley Airport

Did you mean to tag this article as a copyright violation to the Copyvio Detector tool? --Michael Greiner 00:32, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. I meant to tag the image of a sailboat that was not produced by the editor who uploaded it. Netherzone (talk)

...and yet you've left a G12 deletion request sitting on the article? Please clean up after yourself. Cabayi (talk) 08:36, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

@Cabayi: and @Michael Greiner: I must have done something incorrectly, and I am sorry about that. I apologize if I made unnecessary work for you. I seem to remember that the copy-vio tool showed that the article itself had 68% copy-vio. I was working late at night, with too many windows and tabs open on my computer. I'll be more careful in the future. Netherzone (talk) 09:01, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Ellwood Walter (businessman)

Hi,I just wanted to let you know that Greghenderson2006 wants to remove a {{COI}} tag you put on Ellwood Walter (businessman).  Darth Flappy ^«Talk» 17:09, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello @DarthFlappy:, thank you for your message. It looks like the COI material has been removed, so it's fine to remove the tag. Netherzone (talk) 17:25, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

Tanks for fixing this up. Hope all is well! ThatMontrealIP (talk) 04:14, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

@ThatMontrealIP: Thanks I needed that cup of coffee! Netherzone (talk) 13:52, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

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Duplicate ref names error

Hi! Your edit here introduced such error. (Search for 'error:' in the versions before and after your edit.) Your later edits point to dawson but which one do you mean? The old dawson ref or your new dawson ref? --Palosirkka (talk) 23:37, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:1978 March for the Equal Rights Amendment in Washington DC.jpg

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Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in section F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Aspects (talk) 23:42, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi there @Aspects: thank you for your message. I added the image to the article after uploading it to Commons. However the quality of the image was so poor, that I then deleted it from the article. I intend to look for a better image of the event. You are welcome to delete it from Commons, as I'm certain no other editor will be interested in using it either. Netherzone (talk) 23:49, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Replaceable fair use File:Penny Hot Springs near the historic mining town of Redstone, Colorado.jpg

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Thank you for your note Whpq, I've placed the template with my rationalle on the file. Netherzone (talk) 19:15, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Replaceability is not just about whether a free image can be found, but whether a free image could be created even if one does no currently exist. And it doesn't matter if you personally are unable to make the free image. Somebody could go to the springs and make a freely licensed photo. -- Whpq (talk) 19:38, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the information and suggestion. The hot springs have been closed since the start of the pandemic in March.[3] You can go ahead and delete the file, it's not that big of a deal to me if it's in the article or not. I'll check Flickr in the future to see if anyone uploaded a freely licensed image. Netherzone (talk) 20:00, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Curious Case No Doubt

Per this question what in your sincere opinion do you think made him AFD his own article? I’m also curious. I do have a theory as to why though but I think I want to hear yours if you don’t mind. Celestina007 19:13, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

@Celestina007: Hello, how are you doing, Celestina? Good to hear from you. It is peculiar because the rationale for the nomination itself was so very brief, and then they did not answer my question although they were pinged. I don't know this editor, so am not sure what their editing history and style of communication are like. I have two ways of thinking about the nom, 1) that the article creator was doing some serious inner searching about their activity here, and as a exercise in self-critique, decided that they created the article without doing deep research on the subject before-hand and decided after the fact that they did not think they met notability criteria. Or 2) there's something else going on, like the subject of the article is personally known to the editor and they had a falling out, or even that they may (don't want to accuse anyone of anything) be an undeclared paid editor who got disgrunted for some reason (didn't get paid, or who knows what?) Please do tell me your thoughts and opinion on the matter. 20:38, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

The latter is more plausible & was what immediately came to my head. My theory is that the article creator & their subject know each other & as you rightfully postulated they either had a falling out or had a deal of 50% payment upfront & the remaining 50% upon completion & someone didn’t keep to their promise/agreement. That is my theory though & might be completely wrong & just like you said I also don’t want to accuse anyone of anything especially since I have no evidence of anything. Celestina007 23:41, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Interesting that you had a similar train of thought. Netherzone (talk) 23:54, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Question about COI

Hi Netherzone, I have a question about WP:COI. I am trying to apply the rules regarding this but perhaps you can clear up a misunderstading. My recent edits on the Siwanoy Country Club page is a good case in point. I noticed the Wikipedia artcile had very little information about the history of the club. I did some research and found out that the club was started back in the early 1900s and that it just so happened, that my wife's great grandfather was the first president. As I did more research, I was able to develop text on the history with appropriate citations. When you tried to remove the whole section, I was concerned that you were not allowing important historical information, which makes the article that much factual. I understand you are concerend about an editor having a COI. However, COI policy allows involved editors to make non-controversial factual corrections or small additions to the article. Please let me know the best way, in this case, to avoid WP:RVREASONS. Thanks for your time. I hope you don't mind me writing this question on your user page. --Greg Henderson (talk) 18:28, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello @Greghenderson2006: Your COI is interfering with your ability to maintain a WP:NPOV. I tagged the article because the content you added was related to your family connections, which by now you should understand is an editing pattern you should outgrow. I too did some research on the history of the club, and what I found to be the most significant historical fact from 1901 was not that Archibald Murray Campbell had a position there starting May, 1901, but rather a front page New York Times article from September, 1901, about two murders at the country club (and its follow up articles). The reason why I bring this event up, is to illustrate that you selectively included a minor historical detail (that Campbell had a position there), but neglected the major news story. Why is that? Given your editing history, my best guess is it is because your contribution highlighted your relative, not that you wanted to "make it more factual." Does that clarify the misunderstanding? Netherzone (talk) 19:11, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

@Netherzone: Thanks for your response. I appreciate your advice! I wanted to do both, add the "History" section with a few facts to improve the article as well as highlight that Campbell was the first president of the club, which I feel is noteworthy because it was published in several newspaper articles that he was an officier and founding memeber of the club. I think it is important to link people/places with articles, but now realize that adding the link/text must be important. Yes, I did glance at the murder article but avoided it because I wanted to highlight the positive aspects of the Club. Again, I will avoid linking articles with family connections unless it is a non-controversial factual correction or small addition to the article. Let me know if this makes sense to you? --Greg Henderson (talk) 19:49, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

@Greghenderson2006: I understand what you are saying. Please continue to work towards achieving balance in the articles you work on, and avoid writing about family members. You have a lot of good editing skills to contribute; there is a world of great subjects to add to the encyclopedia. Choose some subject areas that interest you (as you have done with the pilot boats and their captains) and develop those areas. I'm always astonished at some of the things I find on Wikipedia, for example List of artificial objects on Mars. Sometimes it's fun to click on the Random Article link (on the left hand sidebar) and start improving something totally random like an obscure species of insect, or a Welsh rugby player, or a Jamaican ska musician, or a style of architecture. It's endless. Netherzone (talk) 20:15, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

@Greghenderson2006: I know we have not always seen eye-to-eye, but I wanted to say that I've been following the news about the swarm of wildfires in California, and saw on the Fire Map that several are in the Carmel area. I hope that you and your family there are safe and that the fires are contained soon. And the rain comes (but not too much because erosion!) I also want to commend you on your recent articles that are neutral and non-COI. They look really good and are positive contributions to the encyclopedia. Keep up the good work. Netherzone (talk) 14:14, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

@Netherzone: Yes, the fires are bad here in California. We have a home in Carmel, but Carmel Valley has it the worst! I live in the bay area and there are fires to the north and south of us. Can't do my run today because of the air quality. Thank you for your commendation. I am always amazed as to how much information there is on Wikipedia and how articles can tie into other articles for further research. Seeing the opportunity to create new articles or improving existing articles is a lot of fun as it requires doing interesting research and adding images using Wikimedia. --Greg Henderson (talk) 17:06, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

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Dthomsen8 thank you, will do. Netherzone (talk) 01:56, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

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Hi, I'm sorry, I'm not aware of having changed anyone's comment, and if this happened it was a mistake I wasn't aware of. Apologies and sorry for your distress, and I'm glad you quickly caught it and replaced it, whatever it was. Respectfully, TashaB (talk) 18:55, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

I'll respond once again (maybe you didn't catch my earlier) - I read that you corrected a possible typo/edit mistake I probably made, is that right? Is there anything else I can do for you? Again, apologies.TashaB (talk) 20:37, 4 September 2020 (UTC)