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DYK for Islam in the Arctic

On 3 September 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Islam in the Arctic, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that despite an extensive history of Islam in the Arctic, the first mosque (pictured) in the Canadian Arctic was only built in 2010? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Islam in the Arctic), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 12:01, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

That was a hard slog, my friend. Somewhere alog the way the creating editor vanished. Fiddle Faddle 12:16, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks to you both for seeing it through! Flibirigit (talk) 16:40, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

September

Thank you for another good one! - Every once in a while, I have a TFA, happy that it was also a tribute to Brian, in great collaboration, fine Main page, and see also. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:52, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Volkslied. I began that article, as a translation from a much longer thing in German, for the Wanderlust. So far, it redirected to the history of Folk music, and Volkslieder redirected to a certain album. Now, searching, I se that it is also a name for Dutch anthems. How do we distinguish? Hatnote? Mationing in lead? See also? I know too little about these anthems. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:10, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

(that question still open ...) - in contrast: matching colours music to the Dahlias, "brute loud and secretly quiet". - The music (specifically "Meermenschen") was given to me for my birthday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:15, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

BTW, Drmies, you're probably aware of this already, but in case you missed it, someone else engoodened your Shooting of Greg Gunn article, and it appeared on DYK in the set immediately before the one with Islam in the Arctic. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 08:04, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Whoa, no, I was not. User:GeneralNotability, holy moly--that was a nice bit of work: thank you. I'll add that much of what happened in this case directly contradicts how the president claims things go. And the killer went to jail, but damn, I can't look at a painter's stick without thinking about that poor man. FloNight wrote a related article, Shooting of Bernard Whitehurst, and FloNight, my friend Foster Dickson wrote that book. I met and shook hands with Mr. Whitehurst's brother at the book presentation we had on my campus, and felt honored. Whitehurst has the street named for him now, and it's around the corner of the Lynching memorial (as it's still colloquially called here). We finally elected a Black mayor, Steven Reed (mayor), who is doing a pretty good job (and mandated masks, for instance). Things are happening here. Anyway, Mandarax, thanks for letting me know, and for always helping out with DYKs and everything, and GeneralNotability, thanks for doing that heavy lifting--you too, FloNight. We should all meet in Montgomery and I'll show you around. Drmies (talk) 01:13, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Drmies, happy to help, I didn't even notice it was yours - otherwise I totally would have let you know that I was working on it. I actually spent a few years in Montgomery when I was pretty young, but it's been a long, long time. GeneralNotability (talk) 01:18, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Small world, GeneralNotability--and your dog looks a lot like our most recent puppy. We should chat about things--schools, downtown, etc. Things are probably better now than when you were here. Of course places for activities are still at a premium here; we drove all around Lake Martin yesterday for a kayak trip down the Tallapoosa. Ha and we all got sunburned pretty badly. Anyway, thanks again--you did a fantastic job and I really appreciate it. Drmies (talk) 15:47, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Tyler Posey Personal Life Updates

Hi there! New to editing on Wikipedia and I thought I added verified information about Posey's romantic life that seemed to have been acceptable based on what other actors' pages have (ex George_Clooney#Relationships, Jennifer_Aniston#Relationships ). I avoided tabloids and kept the wording particular to the situation. Not hurt that it's gone. Nature of the game. But, what would have been a better revision for future reference?-- Sternalize (talk) 23:26, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

• Hey, thanks for the note. I gotta say, it's a bit disappointing that those article have so much of that kind of stuff, but by the same token, at least some of the sourcing is of pretty high quality (I saw a link to an Independent article--though also one to Fox, in the Clooney article). The content you added does have a gossipy flavor ("rumors surfaced") and besides an Instagram link, the material is sourced with tabloids like People and Entertainment Tonight. Add to that that Posey isn't Clooney or Aniston...in fact, I think the section as it currently exist needs some pruning as well. But that's just my opinion. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 23:32, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

• Thanks a bunch for taking the time to write that out. Got it. Firsthand sources and avoiding any allegations. -- Sternalize (talk) 11:01, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Why can't people respect ONUS/NOCON?!

Drmies, would you take a look at the Andy Ngo page. This is another frustrating page? There were some recent, disputed changes made to the article and I think people are trying to "win" the edit war vs getting consensus for disputed changes. Springee (talk) 20:14, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

• Springee, that's how it goes. If one's side doesn't win, you can't always claim the other side is cheating. There's a lot of chatter on the talk page and it gets pretty boring. I think O3000 is trying too hard to discredit an article from the Washington Post, and I think Wikieditor is trying too hard to remove that one Patriot Prayer-related factoid from the lead. You dispute the changes, but you and Wikieditor are the only ones, and that doesn't have to mean they're ganging up on you even though you're right. With a limited number of participants all filling up a talk page it will be hard to find a clear-cut consensus. Or were you talking about the podcast? Personally I don't see a huge problem with keeping that in cause it's kind of relevant (though it seems silly to deny "far-right" in his case), but what Grayfell says here makes sense, and that is why I typically don't include such material anywhere. Take care, Drmies (talk) 12:23, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

The WaPo article reminds me of an issue I had with a NYTimes piece three years back. The first paragraph in the Unite the Right rally article contained mention of Trump/Pence signs sourced to one analysis article. That source was Maggie Haberman, in my mind, one of the best sources you can find in the subject area with a Pulitzer for Trump admin reporting. Problem was, she was the only source and, incidentally, wrong. Metaphorically she was right, as I have no doubt most of the guys sporting swastikas, KKK signs, Confederate flags, etc. were Trump supporters – but wrong on the facts. I argued it was only in one source and we must consider a viewpoint's prevalence in reliable sources. Not prevailing, I started an RfC, [1] where I found myself arguing against the folks I normally side with. The text was removed from the lead. Now, with the WaPo article, we have in WaPo a stellar source. But, this reporter has nowhere near the stature of Haberman, the article seems to be a description of two Senators’ position, and again lacks support from the prevalence of RS. I just don’t like relying on one source for an accusation in a heavily covered incident. I prefer to just leave something out that is questionable, whether or not it coincides with my own feelings. Anywho, I stopped debating that a week back. O3000 (talk) 13:40, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm still not clear why you were asking about the police report but if your concern is stating in wikivoice that the attackers were antifa members, I agree, we shouldn't do that. I said as much almost a year ago. Springee (talk) 13:50, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

• • (edit conflict)Thanks for the feedback. I wasn't talking about O3k's complaint. Honestly I'm not sure I understand why they were so offended or even why they asked the original question about a police report. No, I was thinking about the changes to the lead that were made, reverted then restored. Given the current ARE I think the optics of just reverting again are, well, poor (but with a 1RR on the article there isn't a concern about 3RRs again and again :D ). Anyway, my concern is just that those making the change aren't going to the talk page to discuss why the challenged edit is OK before restoring the edit. Really, this is one of my biggest frustrations that lead to the ARE in the first place. I'm get that I'm not always going to be right (or at least I can't always convince others of my brilliance :D ) but if something is rejected I think those who support it should make their case at the talk page first. I'm actually happy to change my mind when editors stop, make reasoned argument why I'm wrong and get agreement before making edits. I think I showed that on several firearms topics. Sadly in this case editors didn't do that and they ignored prior discussions on the topic when making changes. I admit, I do find that sort of behavior very frustrating. It's like a broken glass theory. If editors start by ignoring requests to discuss changes and just push a change through via having a few more reverts per day than the other side we get hostile editing and accusations of bad faith. If we talk first we might not agree but it's easier to agree that consensus isn't reached and, even if I/we don't agree content is due I/we can still provide some input on how the final changes should look. Sorry, this is a bit rambling. Springee (talk) 13:48, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Speaking of not respecting... could you take a look at this editor. [[2]] Springee (talk) 04:31, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Ian Lipkin

Hi, could you please take a look at the W. Ian Lipkin page? I've been reluctantly drawn into an edit war with Thucydides411. The debate is related to quotes added from a primary source i.e an interview with Lipkin conducted by a fellow Columbia professor, which, along with material from over 70 other sources, is repeatedly wiped. Thanks. Before the BangBefore the Bang (talk) 03:03, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

• It seems to me you're in an edit war with a whole bunch of people, and that your (massive) edit falls way outside the scope of a BLP. Sorry. BTW I'm not sure why you're posting here. I've never edited the article, and while I have had some serious disagreements with Thucydides411, I don't hold to the whole "enemy of my enemy" kind of theory. Again, sorry, but when I look at phrasing like "There was some dissent, however", I can't help but think that I'm reading an essay. And if this would come up on WP:3R, and I saw the report, I would block you for edit warring immediately. I don't know if you have violated the bright line of 3R, but you are certainly edit-warring in the long term. What's that, four reverts since the day before yesterday? Oh I wish you hadn't invited me to investigate this. Drmies (talk) 23:36, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
• 45,000 bytes! I ain't reading through that! (LOL). Life's to short. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 01:51, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Replying here

Didn't want to muddy the discussion over at AE, but the editor you mentioned is almost certainly a sock, probably of some banned user. I'm never sure what to do in situations where a user hasn't yet reached that threshold of disruption that would merit an indef block yet fishing trips to SPI aren't allowed. ~Awilley (talk) 03:04, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Drought (sport)

Hello, I have deprodded Drought (sport). Deletion of an article that's been around over 15 years and has such an extensive history isn't likely to be uncontroversial. I have no prejudice against bringing the article to AfD. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 20:44, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

TRod1155

Hi. You may want to consider the block you mentioned. See [3] Best, — Blablubbs ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:55, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

• Thanks--but I restored the comment. Let it serve as a memorial. Drmies (talk) 14:58, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
• I guess that was the sound of one mouse-clicking. Perhaps they should take their own advice, taking care to not let the abyss stare back. Oh, I guess it did. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 16:38, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Whaaaaaaaa. I have enough nihilism in my life already, with two teenagers and one boy. Drmies (talk) 18:01, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Editor appears to be mangling catagory work

Hey, Doc. Could you or one of your stalkers possibly take a look at the recent edits of Cificis. He's been here over two years. Recently he's become interested in catagories pertaining to schools and to my rather ignorant eye appears to be mangling them. Considering my recent problems with getting along with folks, I'd prefer someone else who knows more about catagories than I get involved. Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 01:11, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Talk:Falkland Islanders

Drmies

Ref previous talk page and email discussion about a sensitive case, Boynamedsue, has again referred to it. Could you please take another look at the talk page, inadvertently @JzG: has also mentioned it. WCM_email 12:25, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Um ...

What do you think: [4]? -- Softlavender (talk) 13:16, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hrm. Well, zapped, obviously; no encyclopedic purpose (I really hope we're not in the business of using Wikipedia's voice to place new articles in the N-word category). A little more troubling than usual, in that pagemover access was required to create it through the title blacklist, but not really sure if that needs to be pursued; it's kind of a passive use of a right. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 14:06, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Note to Drmies: Please check who (re)created the Category and when: [5]. Thank you. Softlavender (talk) 14:21, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

(the admin-only link you'll want is Special:Undelete/(page title). Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 14:27, 17 September 2020 (UTC))

I just fully create protected that as a reflex. Feel free to undue if I was wrong, but damn! --Deepfriedokra (talk) 18:29, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

" (diff) 2020-04-22T02:03:57 . . L293D (talk | contribs | block) 29 bytes (Redirected page to Category:Negro via Articles for Creation (you can help!)) Tag: New redirect"? --Deepfriedokra (talk) 18:31, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

I like WK's deletion note--"(non-controversial) cleanup: the obvious) " --Deepfriedokra (talk) 18:33, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Yes, that was not a good creation. A category redirect is really sort of a sidestep in the first place, and I don't know what purpose they thought this might serve. Drmies (talk) 20:40, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Ritchie333, when I said "put through the wringer", I wasn't saying that all of that was unjustified. Creating a category like this deserves to be questioned... I assume you didn't know about this creation, but when someone runs for admin they can expect people to dig deep, and this is the kind of thing that will come up again. So, in the meantime, L293, who otherwise seems like a fine editor, has some thinking to do, and should consider writing down some of those thoughts for next time... Drmies (talk) 20:45, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Possibly, but nobody's ever complained about Prince of Fucking Darkness. As for the category, I'd use G10 instead of G6, but that's just me. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:47, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Maybe. But certainly in the US, in 2020, there is no comparison between the n-word and "fucking"... I can say "fucking" in class. If I say the n-word in class I'll be out of a job. Drmies (talk) 20:49, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Um, yeah - that's why I said in this case I'd G10 delete it and tell the creator something along the lines of "please do not do that again", regardless of who did it. Frankly, it reminds me of Neelix, and not in a good way. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:52, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Not going to say who the target of Prince of Fucking Darkness should be. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 20:59, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

On a tangential note, tomorrow is exactly 50 years since Paranoid was released. I'd put it on the main page, but it's got too much unreferenced content. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:05, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Well, it didn't come out of nowhere; they created it as a response to this entry on the Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Redirects and categories page. Still not good, and still not policy, but it's a little more understandable as part of mass-handling AfC requests than as a "let's create this cat redirect just because we can". I chose G6 just because it's what the {{Category_redirect}} template suggested, and I didn't feel it was worth anyone's time to think more about exactly which criterion fit best for a page that so obviously needed deletion. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 21:02, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

SHoulda said no. We cannot grant every request, and one stopped by an edit filter should give someone pause. Should we ping them? --Deepfriedokra (talk) 21:05, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

I think the first person to ask would be LaundryPizza03 who asked for the redirect in the first place. An AGF excuse from L293D could be "well, that editor's been around for a while and doesn't look like a troublemaker, so I'll assume they're doing this for a reason". Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:12, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

• I would like to alert the following to this ([6]), since the editor says he is going to run for RFA again: Barkeep49, Bradv, L235, Cullen328, Fuzheado. -- Softlavender (talk) 02:04, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

  Consider me alerted but I'm not sure to what end. I hope, really truly hope, that L293 will take on board what was offered, as their withdrawal statement said they would. And I hope in 6 months, 12 months, 18 months, however long that they will have gained some experience in tough discussions and that I am able to support, if not nominate them, at their second RfA. Beyond that I have no interest in being a part of saying further negative things about someone who has done a lot of good for the encyclopedia and who I just publicly criticized, and did so in a way that has earned me some criticism I am reflecting on myself, and who I very much want to stay around, because we are a better encyclopedia with them as an editor than without. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 02:13, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

  What Barkeep49 said. I don't see any need for further knife-sharpening. Hopefully L293D returns soon and gains the necessary experience to show us what kind of admin he can be. I look forward to supporting his next RfA. – bradv🍁 02:19, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

  I for one am not sharpening knives but remembering things is useful if my senior brain can handle it. I would like to support a future RfA but I would expect this issue to be addressed again at that time. So, I hope that this editor will show better judgment regarding highly contentious material in the weeks and months to come. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:02, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

• I'm pretty sure the use of CSD here was incorrect. The page should have been sent to RfD. I think it was plausible enough, since it's a synonym used in many of the page entries. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 05:40, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

  Now at undeletion. Usedtobecool ☎️ 06:10, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

  Well that's just disruptive. – bradv🍁 06:22, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

  Welp, I don't want to be disruptive and offend other ethnicities, so I'll use my dad's as an example. We don't have redirects to "German" or "German people" for "Heinie," "Kraut," or "Boche", and none of these are "fighting words" in English. How my distant cousins across the sea might feel, I do not know. Having been called such pejoratives briefly while in first grade, I can say I didn't care for it much. (Most of the other kids' dads had been killing Germans during WWII.) So why we should have so inflammatory, so racism-condoning a redirect on Wikipedia is beyond my comprehension. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 07:48, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

  prior CfD --Deepfriedokra (talk) 07:53, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

I have spoken to L293D via email, and without going into detail he has given me some difficult questions that I don't know how to answer easily. What I will say is that this is not the first time I have seen somebody not have a full grasp of cultural norms in the US that everyone who lives there knows about. For example, consider Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/August 2018#(Posted blurb): Aretha Franklin, where we see comments like "Oppose Blurb She was a local singer. Except USA nobody around the world knew her. she had no world impact stastically speaking.", "I am pretty sure we have an established tradition of only posting deaths of Mandela-size figures to the ITN, and this person is sure as hell isn't, neither by the importance, nor by the number of views of her page before her death. Very disappointed in a yet another example of heavy American/Western bias on Wikipedia. Sad." and "Pull/Oppose blurb Not a world transforming figure therefore doesn't merit a blurb. Never even heard of her before she got hospitalised recently." Now, reading these comments about (IMHO) one of the greatest American singers and civil rights campaigners of all time, damn right I'm offended. But crying racist is about as helpful as somebody saying I support a No Deal Brexit because I've done some work on Jacob Rees Mogg. You don't know what L293D's opinion on this category is; one would hope he would endorse the G10 deletion along with everybody else. We also don't know why LaundryPizza03 wanted to create the redirect in the first place; I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's probably not because they're a closet racist. See Hanlon's razor. I also fully endorse the comment made by Coffeeandcrumbs that caused me to drop a barnstar on their page yesterday; that doesn't apply to the redirect here (which is just crass and pointless) but rather all of us should not shy away from difficult conversations just because they're, well, difficult. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 08:55, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

"What I will say is that this is not the first time I have seen somebody not have a full grasp of cultural norms in the US that everyone who lives there knows about." Ritchie, he lives in the U.S. See his user categories: [7]. -- Softlavender (talk) 09:16, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

IMHO, there are plenty of people of my ethnicity who are clueless on these matters. Being born in the USA just does not ensure awareness. Let's just say "clueless", or had their eyes closed to the last 350 years if American history, shake our heads, and move on. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 09:58, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Considering possibilities for good use, I just dropped the category in my sandbox User:Coffeeandcrumbs/sandbox. There it is in bright red. How long would it take for someone to notice this on an obscure BLP? I am asking honestly since categories are not my strong suit? --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 12:46, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

I, uh, can't tell if you're being serious or not, but WP:CATREDIRECT says that In general, an unpopulated category should be deleted (see speedy deletion criterion C1) because it is not useful for navigation and sorting. It goes on to say that soft category redirects should only exist in limited circumstances, giving an example of hyphenated rather than en-dashed category names. Category redirects are not the norm--to the extent that the {{Category redirect}} template includes a link to speedily delete itself when placed--and I cannot imagine a legitimate reason for this to be treated as a special case. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 13:06, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

I am being serious. I, so far, agree with this discussion and the outcome. But I just realized that the category can be used for vandalism and wanted to know what can be done to prevent that. Can we disallow use of certain categories? Or force a category not to show? Can we make it a hidden cat and alert some noticeboard when it is used?

Another thing to consider, when I used Category:Authors in my sandbox, HotCat automatically replaced it. When I used the same category manually, there is Authors. Would the redirect have helped prevent it from appearing? --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 13:22, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

To follow along the lines of Deepfriedokra and go with the "people of my ethnicity" thing--people of my ethnicity indeed often fail to see the point. And frequently we start talking about intent. Like, I don't intend to make a racist statement when I'm singing along to ____. Or, Ritchie, closer to my home: I don't intend to be racist when I dress up in blackface and play Zwarte Piet. (The latter one doesn't work anymore in 2020.) The question isn't anymore about what one intends or not, and we can't easily judge that anyway; it's about how something will be perceived. In the Netherlands right now they're discussing the equivalent of "f*g", which, Ali B seems to have discovered recently, is offensive to gay people. I feel stupid even typing this. "But I don't mean to be homophobic." "But homosexuals say it to each other." Yes, we've heard all that before. "OMG I have to think about whether something I say is offensive to other people???" Well, eh, do you say "b---h" to your grandmother? Or "old fucker" to your father? We do this all the time, don't we? If you cannot imagine an audience for what you say and write, how can you write an encyclopedia? Drmies (talk) 15:14, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

I understand everything you are saying and agree with it. However, you just did almost exactly what L293D did in the AfD. You mentioned another slur ("f*g") as an example and spelled it out. This is your talk page and I can see how you may choose to relax the rules a bit but I think that should be allowed on any talk page discussion, not to use, of course, but to mention. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 18:35, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

User:Coffeeandcrumbs, the claim that using the n-word is equivalent to saying "fucking" is ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous. And there is no "rule" against using the word "fucking", which is not a slur like that racist term. Drmies (talk) 20:08, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

I was talking about "f*g". But you see where the problem lies now. By censoring my self, I led my self to be misunderstood. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 20:22, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

There was a way to get around that if you didn't want to use that word even in quotation marks. But I get your point. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 20:25, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Highing back to WK on empty cats, I cannot imagine anyone adding that and would have serious concerns if someone did.15:19, 18 September 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deepfriedokra (talk • contribs) 15:20, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

It is always intended as an attack when someone adds this category, redlink or blue. I was saying that deleting the category does not prevent it from being added to a BLP. It happens and I have seen it. I wish I could find the edit where I removed one instance of it. I was asking if there was a way we can prevent that, besides watch listing the category. The last time I saw it was definitely in connection to an article that was linked from WP:ITNRD. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 18:46, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Shouldn't be possible to edit filter "Category:N*****"? Not with asterisks but the actual category that was deleted. It is such a specific string of text that I cannot imagine anyone acting in good faith would need to use it in article space. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 18:58, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

• Hi all, Ritchie asked me to comment here. I endorse the G10 deletion and I should never have created this page in the first place. The only reason why I did is that the other category existed, but I understand that that category at least had an encyclopedic purpose, whereas a redirect category was really useless. I can guarantee all of you that this kind of incident will not happen again. L293D (☎ • ✎) 14:48, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
  • I appreciate that. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 15:23, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

Possible sock?

This editor's behavior strikes me as odd [[8]]. New just 7 days ago, now at 400 edits. Starts by editing their own user page to blank (avoids the red user name). Lots of talk page activities in a short period of time... [[9]]. Basically a bunch of red flags. Not sure which admin would be the best to look at this so I figured I would ask you. Thanks, Springee (talk) 02:43, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

I am no accomplished sockpuppet detective but the behavior of this editor raises red flags to me. Their very first editing session lasted five hours and was almost entirely focused on pushing vegan anti-meat talking points. When criticized for POV pushing, they have turned to adding flagrant meat-loving userboxes to their userpage, as if that would resolve valid concerns. Perhaps they think we all fell off a turnip truck, but I for one do not appreciate having my chain pulled. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it

Jpgordon and Berean Hunter didn't act, so any administrative action will have to come from behavior. Cullen, it's up to you. Drmies (talk) 13:51, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Given that this editor came to my attention during a content dispute at Smithfield Foods, I am involved. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 15:33, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Have you asked TonyBallioni and his magic checkuser 8-ball? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:45, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Indeffed by Bishonen, unblock request declined by Salvio. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:06, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

George Pell SPI

You might be interested by Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/ThegreatBush Elizium23 (talk) 14:24, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

• Thanks. Again, a nice insight into human nature. Drmies (talk) 15:04, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Stroopwafel

Occurs to me it's time for one of these. Cheers! Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 17:16, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

• Yes it is--I'm sitting here with coffee, indeed. Thanks Geoff. Drmies (talk) 20:09, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Same same

You beat me to it by about 2 seconds, maybe less. Have a lovely weekend.-- Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 20:36, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

• Ha, if it hadn't been for the username I might not have looked at it. Roll Tide Ponyo, and all the best to you. I'm sad: the kids couldn't stop screwing around while we were playing Splendor and I walked away from the table, and now I feel like a bad parent. Drmies (talk) 21:55, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Wow, walking away from Splendor, that's some tough love you're doling out. Next step: Scared Straight!.-- Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 22:00, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
    • I'd hate to be that kind of person. I already hate being this kind of person. But I've been here, home with the kids, essentially since March and I am running out of things to do with them, and with myself. Everyone spends too much time on their devices, including me. I should actually do some writing. Thx Ponyo--Ima get busy in other ways. Much love, Drmies (talk) 22:04, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the block update

Thank you, it's been a while since I've done one. I think this might be another sock puppet, similar name, edits and history User:Kyurkan1 --AW (talk) 01:21, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

• Ha, shoot, I just closed all my CU windows... OK, I cannot confirm that. This might call for an SPI, if you really think these are socks. BTW I only "updated" because I wanted the record to show the names and the reason, not cause I knew better or something like that. But yes, I have no doubt there are more; they always travel in packs. Drmies (talk) 01:26, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
  • True, I can't tell if they are socks or just a bunch of people doing the same thing, but seems pretty similar for it to be multiple folks. I don't think I've asked for an investigation before, do you have any advice? --AW (talk) 01:30, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
    • User:Awiseman, if you think it is worth the effort (it'll take you a few minutes), then go to WP:SPI, to "How to open an investigation:" Just follow the format/template, but you have to choose a name. If that Kyurkan account is older, you file it under that. You can list all the ones that I blocked (and note that I already CU-blocked them), but the more important thing is that you provide the evidence--what kinds of edits, what topic, what idiosyncrasies, etc. Since I cannot confirm that they are them via CU, it will have to be done on behavior--the old-fashioned way, so to speak. The better your (succinct) evidence, the easier you make it for the next admin who looks at it. Good luck! PS I see you've been sort of intermittently active; I appreciate you having stuck around. Drmies (talk) 01:38, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

Notice

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Abuse of admin rights by Drmies. Thank you. Jackmcbarn (talk) 00:09, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

• Hey Jack, I saw you were running for admin. I don't know you very well, but I've seen you do good things. Drmies (talk) 00:16, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
• Drmies: I checked the edits of the editor in question after seeing your concluding statement on AN/I. I rolled back what I could, leaving just the two edits on AN/I. I checked most of them before rolling back, they were mostly harmless. A fraction were actually minor improvements, but nothing like a copyvio-fix/BLP-fix/vandalism-fix that would warrant ignoring WP:BMB. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 00:40, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
  • They play good hand followed by bad hand with some of their accounts. I don't really care for their "regular" edits in article space and ignore them, except for their edits on gender issues, where they have an interest but no expertise; I think User:Flyer22 Frozen can confirm this. Here is another one, by the way. Must be a boring night for them. Drmies (talk) 00:52, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
    • Drmies, you're a good person and don't deserve all this abuse. Stay strong. – bradv🍁 04:00, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
      • I appreciate that, Bradv, just as I (and other victims of this harasser) appreciate the help from all admins, oversighters, and stewards. Drmies (talk) 14:33, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
        • Doc, I am really, really sorry about the abuse directed at you and your wonderful children. That's really vile. You may remember that a creep threatened to kill my grandaughter a couple of years ago. We will celebrate her 3rd birthday next month and she is the light of my life. Be well in these trying times, my friend. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:42, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Unusual names for college courses

I've seen actual college-level courses with names like the first one in this list. My gut says the editor is just listing factual information and editing in good faith. That said, good call on deleting the list.

I think he really is new to Wikipedia. He deleted a history merge request I put on the page, twice. I'm assuming good faith, since the template did make the page "look ugly at the top" (my words, not his). I asked him about it on his talk page, I'll give him a day or two to respond before re-requesting the history merge. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 00:30, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Long-term_abuse/Best_known_for_IP

This user, which you so staunchly defended back in the day (i supposed you know how that turned out), has completely lost it with me, i suppose because i had the nerve to talk back.

A good example of the taunting can be found at Álvaro González (footballer, born 1990). But it serves me right for hanging in here for so long, why can't i just say "fuck it" and quit the project? And if this individual or any other thinks that when that happens they will win because they wore me down into leaving that's when i'll die of laughter. I should leave because i'm not having fun anymore, but i know in my heart i'm a good WP editor, even taking into consideration it's not that of my native tongue.

This person says they're not who they are being accused of in their many interactions at the pertinent threads, so who's to say if X or Y is the correct answer. But i suppose that with the tracking equipment available for WP admins, if they say that it is the same person they should be onto something.

Regards, (belated)thanks for the beer at the IP account! --Quite A Character (talk) 00:56, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

You are not a good WP editor at all. Your command of English is nowhere near good enough to contribute effectively. Worse than your language failings is that you are so unbelievably arrogant that you refuse to accept that you have even made mistakes. You've been forcing your idiotic non-English constructions into articles for years. Three years ago, you claimed that you had finally understood your most characteristic error, but that of course was a lie, just like your recent claim to have retired, and the laughable claim on your user page that you speak English with a "near-native" level.

The cultural vandalism you are so fond of is outrageous, and you should have been indefinitely blocked long ago for it. Sadly (and bizarrely) English language ability is not very highly rated on English Wikipedia so you've been allowed to perpetuate your abuses. You may rest assured that I will continue to highlight them. If you do not like being called out for your poor English, either learn the language properly, or stop editing English Wikipedia. If you start fixing your errors, instead of posting attention-seeking wailings to talk pages in the hope of preventing them from being fixed, that would be a start. Stroven (talk) 13:25, 21 September 2020 (UTC)