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Change the image
The photo of Palin on this page is VERY old. She doesn't look anything like that anymore. A new photo should be chosen--one that looks more like her current appearance, which is as the ventriloquist puppet Madame. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.196.162.105 (talk) 19:25, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
Merger proposal
I propose to merge SarahPAC into this article. There is actually less content in the SarahPAC article than in its section here and the material there that isnt a duplicate of what is here should be reconciled and edited for relevance. Bonewah (talk) 14:55, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
- Fine by me. The second half of that article doesn't seem to have much of anything to do with the first, and actually looks quite trivial. I'm not sure what it's supposed to tell us about the subject other than it happened and has a catchy title; very Mission Impossible-esque. Personally, I'd probably just delete that and merge the first half. Zaereth (talk) 22:01, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
== Someone please fix the vice president candidate for the Libertarian Party for 2008. You have it listed as Chuck Baldwin when it was really Wayne Allyn Root. I don't know who did that but it is not correct.
Proposed profile photo change
It has been proposed to change the photo to one that is current. Here are three choices:
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Palin in 2012
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Palin in 2016
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Palin in 2021
I am not sure which one to favor. The lighting in her eyes, and her hairdo, in 2021 is not good. Then again, the background in 2012 is too dark. The 2016 choice may be the best. Elizium23 (talk) 20:14, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
Considering the picture of Palin in 2021 is the highest quality and the most recent one, the 2021 photo would be a good choice. RandomUserGuy1738 (talk) 19:08, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
I don't really think she looks that different from the 2012 image, and the pose is a lot better in that one, in my opinion. Calibrador (talk) 02:25, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
- None of those photos look ANYTHING like her current appearance, which is this:
Health Care
Did Palin really say more about foreign policy than about health care? Johnmeadows13 (talk) 17:11, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
- I dont know. Is that a claim in this article? Bonewah (talk) 17:27, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
Yes by length. Johnmeadows13 (talk) 21:52, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
Also environment. Johnmeadows13 (talk) 21:55, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
Can more be said about health care? Rec isions vs what she called "death panels"? Johnmeadows13 (talk) 21:58, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
Exposing others to COVID
I fail to understand why the article can't note that (1) her trial was postponed due to her testing positive for COVID and (2) she subsequently dined indoors, exposing others to COVID. Coverage: WaPO[1], NBC News[2], CNN[3]. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 19:32, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
- Because its trivial. WP:NOTNEWS etc, "Wikipedia considers the enduring notability of persons and events. While news coverage can be useful source material for encyclopedic topics, most newsworthy events do not qualify for inclusion and Wikipedia is not written in news style." Or if you prefer WP:RECENTISM"Recentism is a phenomenon on Wikipedia where an article has an inflated or imbalanced focus on recent events. It is writing without an aim toward a long-term, historical view." This wont matter in a few weeks, let alone a longer time frame. If you randomly look at any one of the 63 talk page archives for this topic you find the same thing, something made the news for a week or two, editors fight over it a bit, then it gets forgotten as too unimportant to include. Just a sample "Notes written on hand", "Tea party speech" "PAC expenditures" "Palin's take on Paul Revere method of rousing those colonists" "Bristol Palin: Life's a Tripp" "Track Palin and Britta File for Divorce" "Possible 2014 Senate campaign" "Bar Brawl" etc etc. Palin makes the news all the time, although less so then previously. Not everything that makes the news is fit for a biography, however. Bonewah (talk) 21:02, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
- Intentionally exposing others to a deadly disease during a pandemic is not trivial. Which is why multiple high-quality RS cover this, even though it involves a person who has done little of note in the last decade. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 21:33, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
- Yea? And then what happened? Nothing at all. Aside from the usual culture warrior's yammering, nothing. Just like the last 20 'most important Palin stories evar!' Bonewah (talk) 13:53, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
- Intentionally exposing others to a deadly disease during a pandemic is not trivial. Which is why multiple high-quality RS cover this, even though it involves a person who has done little of note in the last decade. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 21:33, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
- Since this has been extensively covered in the press, and connects to the high-profile trial, I see no reason why it should be omitted. A sentence or two seems due weight. Neutralitytalk 18:24, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
- How about this: Someone has already added this story to Public image of Sarah Palin, if this story turns into anything more than what it is now, lets revisit putting it here. Otherwise, what we have now seems ok. Bonewah (talk) 14:07, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
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