Talk:Red Sea crisis

Merge from Taba and Nuweiba drone attacks

That article, which began exclusively about the attacks on the 27th, has expanded to cover essentially the same scope as this newer article. They should be merged; I've included here all of the material from that article, and left a note on the talk page there. If there are no concerns I'll merge histories into this title. – SJ + 01:45, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

No concerns here. David O. Johnson (talk) 07:13, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Taba and Nuweiba drone attacks should be merged with this article. --Omnipaedista (talk) 12:48, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

agreed RamHez (talk) 13:23, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

• Strong support I incite users to carry out the merge already per WP:BOLD. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 11:42, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Support per nom. Longhornsg (talk) 21:27, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom. EkoGraf (talk) 00:59, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
• 'Merge. It's directly related and size wise it's not going to be too large. With regards, Oleg Y. (talk) 21:22, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
• Abstain. On one hand, merging would be a good idea since the drone attacks are part of this article's topic. But on the other hand, the drone attacks are a separate attack from this article's main focus, which makes me want to oppose the merge. So I'm abstaining until enough points are made.Hansen Sebastian^Talk 04:10, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Support per nom SchoolChromebookUser (talk) 16:48, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose The Houthi attacks on Egyptian sites are probably motivated by an aim to hit Israel, but are essentially a spillover of the Houthi-Israeli conflict and not a separate incident (two incidents). Do pass notability guideline. In case those would be the only two events in this war, we may reconsider this, but otherwise WP:CRYSTALBALL not to merge them.GreyShark (dibra) 20:05, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support Agree with points made. Ultimograph5 (talk) 04:27, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Comment - This article's content has already been merged in the Houthi involvement in the 2023 Israel–Hamas war article and there is no point for this article to exist Abo Yemen✉ 18:01, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Support As per the reasons above. Rager7 (talk) 20:13, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Converted to a redirect, the content seems to have been merged. David O. Johnson you made the last edit on the other page, anything missing? – SJ + 17:20, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Everything looks to be in place. Thanks. David O. Johnson (talk) 19:22, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

CMA CGM Symi

This article is about the Houthi/Yemen involvement, and the table is of attacks in the Red Sea. So it is not clear why it includes the attack on CMA CGM Symi, in the India Ocean (on track between Jebel Ali, UAE and Malaysia, nowhere at all near the Red Sea). The only suspect named in the refs has been the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. Has any serious source claimed that there was any Houthi involvement? Davidships (talk) 01:55, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Add December 16 engagement to timeline

According to US Central Command, USS CARNEY took down 14 drones on December 16 2023. This should be added to the "Attacks on shipping in the Red Sea" section.

Source: https://twitter.com/CENTCOM/status/1736035863849824595 128.244.11.5 (talk) 22:55, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

...and added to the "Casualties & Losses" tally, along with all the other cited shoot-downs of Yemeni missiles and drones. Davidships (talk) 23:02, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

23 December attack

This one was 200nm of india:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houthi_involvement_in_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war

©Geni (talk) 12:32, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Anything to do with Yemen/Houthis? Perhaps time to change the article title? Davidships (talk) 00:44, 24 December 2023 (UTC)?

Probably better to just not include here it now the speculation at least is pointing towards iran directly its a separate topic.©Geni (talk) 17:07, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Mv saibaba

mv saibaba is a Gabon flagged oil tanker not an indian flagged so the flag should change to that of the country of gabon 2409:40F3:1000:4E5C:8000:0:0:0 (talk) 10:11, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 December 2023

2409:40F3:1000:4E5C:8000:0:0:0 (talk) 10:20, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 12:05, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Proposed merge of 2023 attack on the Chem Pluto into Houthi involvement in the Israel–Hamas war

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Looks like another in the long list of attacks on merchant shipping with little long term significance that would distinguish this from the numerous similar incidents. Probably fails WP:EVENT and does not warrant a standalone article. Ad Orientem (talk) 16:00, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

• Strong oppose – Attack was not caused by Houthi, but by Iran. Merging to the Houthi involvement in the Israel–Hamas war makes 0 sense since Houthi had no involvement in the event. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 16:01, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

"Israeli-linked" Chem Pluto, etc.

I've been tracking down the nature of the various Israeli links (or lack thereof). Some of the ships deserve their own articles, whereas others only subsections in their respective shipping company articles. I'll add the one-way drone attack on the Chem Pluto (the U.S. directly accused Iran, viz. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-67811929 approximately 200 NM (370 km) south-west of the city of Veraval, Indian, in the eastern Indian Ocean. Check the map if you don't know how Indian Ocean geography works... I'll add these deets later so as to not lose the forest for the trees. kencf0618 (talk) 17:33, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Nothing to do with the Houthis, and therefore this article. - Davidships (talk) 15:55, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Space warfare category

I re-added the space warfare category, per this Telegraph ref mentioned in the article.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/11/04/how-israel-shot-down-ballistic-missile-in-space-houthis/ David O. Johnson (talk) 18:22, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

No problem - sorry I missed that in the article. - Davidships (talk) 21:52, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Attacks on shipping in the Red Sea and Indian Ocean

There are two problems with this section. Firstly, there is considerable random duplication between the tabular section and the prose content, which isn't helpful to the reader. Secondly, there are some entries which do not belong in this article at all, since they didn't have Houthi involvement, but do not have an obvious alternative destination. I am not sure what is the best solution - perhaps to spin off the detailed ship attacks into a separate article, with a slightly broader compass like "Attacks on shipping in the Israel–Hamas war", with an better structure for presenting the content, and leaving a summary section in this Houthi-related article. Any thoughts? - Davidships (talk) 18:57, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

We don't need the table and prose; it should be one or the other. David O. Johnson (talk) 02:32, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Maersk Hangzhou; Table(s);

I have attempted several times to update Maersk Hangzhou, but my edits don't show up in the review - behavior which is new to me. This engagment generated the first known casualities in this theater, so it's not a minor matter. Nonetheless I am going to start a 2024 table. I am inclined to WP:Bold and get rid of the wall-o'-text except for the necessary background and context so we can get back to our timeline roots. kencf0618 (talk) 13:50, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Upon reflection, and given the most recent Houthi swarm attack, I have decided to split off the timeline. kencf0618 (talk) 21:02, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 January 2024

Deployed forces for the United Kingdom should be:

HMS Diamond HMS Lancaster HMS Richmond 2A02:C7C:DAE5:6900:2DF1:54F4:F135:E02D (talk) 21:09, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 22:22, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Should Iran be added in the info box, as a supporter of the Houthis?

Seeing as Iran is arming and supplying the Houthi movement, as well as politically (and potentially even militarily) supporting their attacks on commercial ships, there is the possibility that adding Iran as a supporter of the Houthis in this conflict, is warranted. Neutral Editor 645 (talk) 17:54, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose - It has been denied by both the Houthis and Iran Abo Yemen✉ 18:04, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Incorrect information

I am unable to edit the article, but there is a mistake that needs to be corrected please.

Currently, in reference to the Norwegian ship called the Strinda, the article states that:

The Houthi attack on the Strinda was an expansion of its series of attacks against maritime shipping in the strait; the Houthis began to attack commercial vessels without any discernible tie to Israel

However, according to The Guardian, their owners:

acknowledged a tentative Israeli port call scheduled for January, details it had not offered in the immediate hours after the attack in the Red Sea. “Upon the recommendation of our security advisers, it was decided to withhold this information until the vessel and her crew were in safe waters,” the company said in a statement.

So it is untrue that this was an expansion of the Houthis' targets.

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