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April 19

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on April 19, 2024.

Turkish bath

The target of this redirect should likely be reconsidered. The most helpful solution may to turn this into a DAB, merging with Turkish Bath (disambiguation). Reason: The term "Turkish bath" in a Western context is fairly generic and might also denote other types of steam baths, in addition to the mainly Islamic ones covered at Hammam. Since this was last discussed in 2021 (see here), a more fully-fledged Victorian Turkish bath article now exists. Other articles might also be relevant to link. Note: This came out of a discussion at Talk:Turkish Bath (disambiguation) between myself and Ishpoloni. Feel free to read there for more context & explanation. R Prazeres (talk) 00:17, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Retarget: I don't know the correct Wiki terminology to use, but searchers from different communities seeking information on so-called 'Turkish baths' (which no longer appears as an article) could equally be looking for Hammam or Victorian Turkish baths and some type of 'See:' reference should offer these two clear redirecting link options.

Hammam is neither primary nor secondary. Hammam and Victorian Turkish baths only have in common that they are baths, and are both derived from the ancient Roman thermae. Victorian Turkish baths are not steam baths. Nor are they really, as the Hammam article states, "A variation on the Muslim bathhouse"—which is why in France and Germany they are called Roman-Irish baths.

The only guiding principle here should be: 'Save the time of the reader' Ranganathan's 4th law. Ishpoloni (talk) 13:53, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On Wikipedia, we follow our own policies and guidelines, not library science (for better or for worse, I can't say). The guideline for how to deal with ambiguous terms (like Turkish bath) is WP:D. The first step is to determine whether there is a primary topic. One way to do that is to look at page traffic. The page traffic for Hammam shows that most people get to that page via an "other-search", such as searching for the term "Turkish bath" via an external search engine, but that only 15% of people then click away to Victorian Turkish baths from that article. We can infer that most readers were, in fact, looking for Hammam when they searched "Turkish bath". We can also look at comparative pageviews, which shows that Hammam gets far more views than Victorian Turkish baths. Then, if we've determined a primary topic, the guideline tells us to redirect the ambiguous term to that page, with hatnotes to the appropriate disambiguation pages. voorts (talk/contributions) 17:39, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Having had time to familiarise myself more with the often complicated Wikipedia guidance notes, I now believe that the most equitable solution is the one suggested above by R Prazeres, ie, to change the current Redirect into a DAB, merging with Turkish Bath (disambiguation). This could either be based on the existing one or, perhaps preferably, like the Mercury page example given in the guidance notes. I believe this is a solution on which we should easily be able to reach consensus.

Reasons:

1. Of the 22 reasons for a redirect given on Wikipedia:Redirect the overwhelming majority relate to different forms of words, grammar, punctuation, etc. Not one exemplifies a redirect of one subject to another subject.[a]

2. On Wikipedia:Disambiguation page the three important points seem to be: (a) naming articles so each has an unique title, eg, Hammam and Victorian Turkish baths; (b) making links so that a term points to the correct article; (c) "Ensuring that a reader who searches for a topic using a particular term can get to the information on that topic quickly and easily, whichever of the possible topics it might be." (My emphasis)

Proposed resolution: Change the current Redirect into a DAB, merging with Turkish Bath (disambiguation)

An allied matter: In case there are Western European readers of this Wikipedia, there should be Redirects < Irish-Roman baths and < Roman-Irish baths > Victorian Turkish baths. Ishpoloni (talk) 07:46, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ For any newcomer to the discussion, 'Victorian Turkish baths' is not a subdivision of 'Hammam', Hammam being an Islamic steam bath and Victorian Turkish baths being Victorian (Roman-Irish) baths using hot dry air. Both are direct descendants of the Roman thermae.

Penny station

Unlikely a flag stop is the primary topic for this generic term. * Pppery * it has begun... 22:41, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. Not only is this the primary topic according to my research, it's the the only notable topic with this exact name - the only other thing that might be notable (but I'm not convinced it actually is) is called Copper Penny Station and there is no content about that on en.wp anyway. Additionally, this redirect is the result of a BLAR so it should be taken to AfD if you want it deleted, but as previous AfDs for Canadian flag stops resulted in a consensus to redirect we'd likely be back here anyway. Thryduulf (talk) 09:46, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:53, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of minor characters in MÄR

The target contains no such list. Both of these have prior article history but Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of MÄR characters establishes sufficient agreement from AfD that there's no need to restore. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:47, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Given that nobody has imported any information in the spirit of WP:PRESERVE, perhaps that can be done by somebody if they can provide an attribute to it while also suggesting it to the other MÄR articles as I had suggested in the AFD that was mentioned. Any objections? Rtkat3 (talk) 02:27, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nanashi (MÄR)

Separating this out from the below because there is an episode of the manga titled just "Nanashi" so this could justifiably be thought of as a redirect for that. But really people typing this are likely to be looking for the character, on whom there's not enough substance to warrant a redirect. Has prior history but Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of MÄR characters establishes sufficient agreement from AfD that there's no need to restore. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:47, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Various MAR characters

Not mentioned at target at all. Most of these have prior article history but Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of MÄR characters establishes sufficient agreement from AfD that there's no need to restore. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:47, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Various MAR characters (2)

Discussed at target ones or twice in passing but without enough substance to warrant a redirect. Most of these have prior article history but Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of MÄR characters establishes sufficient agreement from AfD that there's no need to restore. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:47, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

El Loco (wrestler)

Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:07, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

El Loco (Los de Abajo song)

Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:07, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Na Sé Contaethe

Not a plausible search term. Also not mentioned in target (I tried ctrl+f/F3) JuniperChill (talk) 21:58, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Epic Fail Guy

Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:53, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

While I'm the creator, I'm not the "originator". I created it per a WP:AN request:

Requesting redirect of epic fail guy and Epic Fail Guy to Guy Fawkes mask as per that article and Wikipedia:Requested articles/Arts and entertainment/Internet and tech culture. CMBJ   10:09, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
  There are no incoming links to those; what usefulness would they have? In addition, can you clarify what has changed since the most recent consensus that lead to the deletion of the redirect? Salvidrim!· ✉ 10:17, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
    It is not unreasonable, given the subject's popularity, to assume that users will manually seek out an article at that title. As for the above discussion, it pertained to an inappropriate redirect that lacked any supporting content, whereas this target explicitly mentions the subject. CMBJ 10:44, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
    (EC) The request to remove the redirect from EFG -> 4chan was based on no mention in the article. EFG is mentioned at the guy fawkes mask article as part of its section on Anonymous usage of the mask, and its origins. The only redirect to 4chan kept in that discussion was one that was used in the 4chan article. No comment on how useful this is to have currently. Although Anonymous is a bit more noteworthy since 2009, I am surprised there is no mention at that article, as while EFG isnt notable in itself as a 4chan meme (there are loads of them) it is relevant to the Anonymous group. Only in death does duty end (talk) 10:46, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
      Created. Why couldn't you do it? Is there some blacklist that prevented you? Nyttend (talk) 22:06, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
        I didn't happen to notice what exactly was precluding its creation, but without the admin flag it definitely wasn't happening. CMBJ 04:34, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

(Probably the issue was "Epic Fail", which I can imagine being common in attack pages, and very uncommon in good-faith use.) User:CMBJ hasn't edited in nearly a year, so you're not likely to get any further explanation from him. Nyttend (talk) 12:39, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You're right about the issue: "Epic Fail" is on the title blacklist for pretty much the reason you suspected. I didn't notify you of this discussion since I could see that, and I didn't notify CMBJ either since it's my practice not to notify long-gone users. None of this is relevant now, though. * Pppery * it has begun... 16:13, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for making me think I had gone back in time before I had my morning cup of tea though (I had a notification from the cut'n'paste)... I was briefly happy to think Trump was all a dream. Only in death does duty end (talk) 08:31, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pppery, no worries; I don't mind not being notified. I knew there was a chance you'd found this already, but I wanted to provide it in case you hadn't, and I knew that other RFD participants would benefit. Nyttend (talk) 20:49, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ELLIS, DICK

No affinity for ALL CAPS. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:53, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. It's common for encyclopedias and other reference works to begin an entry with the title in all caps. This page on another wiki cites Ellis' article in the Dictionary of British Intelligence, and the article apparently uses ELLIS, DICK rather than Ellis, Dick or Dick Ellis. Maybe you'll try this version if you've not used Wikipedia much (or if it's been a while), or you may copy/paste it into Wikipedia from somewhere else that uses the all-caps. Nyttend (talk) 12:46, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Eclipse.org

Probably Eclipse Foundation is a more precise target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:39, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy yes, change it. Perhaps back in 2005 this could have required some discussion regarding whether the foundation or their flagship software suite was a more appropriate redirect, but today the website in question is clearly about the Eclipse Foundation, which administers hundreds of projects other than just Eclipse (software), so changing the redirect is clearly appropriate. Besides which, there are only two inbound links to this redirect, so the change is not a big deal. Also only one of those needs fixing for the change, and I've fixed it already. I appreciate that you took the time to put this up for discussion before changing the redirect, but I don't think it was strictly necessary. (I created the original redirect) —Pengo 05:22, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Qwik Crisp

Not mentioned at target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 20:54, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Navy League of Great Britain

Retarget to Sea Cadets (United Kingdom). Current target does not mention the term "Navy League", which seems to apply to the Sea Cadets organization prior to merging with the Marine Society. Hoof Hearted (talk) 19:52, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Re-redirect - this is a simple and logical change, so I'm not sure why this is a RfD instead of just doing it. :-) Ed [talk] [OMT] 20:04, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

H***** S***

Unlikely search terms and it's unclear how they should relate to the target. These redirects don't even use the proper number of asterisks to replace the letters. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:33, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete as implausible censorship of things not worth censoring (even as a joke, there are other burgerland states more worth censoring), create h******** s***, and delete that too cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:49, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The term H******** S*** appears in the title of a YouTube video by Tom Scott. Mia Mahey (talk) 00:37, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom Okmrman (talk) 01:41, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hekt

Not mentioned at the target. External searches don't pull up anything related to this scale, although it appears to be an alternative name for Heqet, says Google. However, it does not appear at Heqet (our page on Wikipedia uses "Heket", but Google's definitely uses "Hekt"). In any case, "Hekt" is short enough to have a surplus of other mentions on Wikipedia as a word, appearing across the board in terms of viability as a redirect. Also sometimes short for "Hektor" and several others. Utopes (talk / cont) 07:58, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep: Per this source, Heinz Bohlen, one of the namesakes of the Bohlen–Pierce scale, described the hekt in this paper (cited in the original German as source 2 in the article) as an alternative measurement to a cent, such that 100 hekts divide each step in the Bohlen–Pierce scale. I found a couple of other sources using the hekt measurement searching Google scholar: [1] and [2]. voorts (talk/contributions) 02:11, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I would also be open to disambiguation to Hektor and Bohlen–Pierce scale, as well as Heqet if sources can be found establishing that Hekt is an alternative transliteration. It also appears that there is a HEKT cell line that might be related to HEK 293 cells. If it just ends up being Hektor and BP scale, then I would support keeping with a hatnote to Hektor. voorts (talk/contributions) 14:15, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom as ambiguous. Mention may be added to the target using voorts' sources however. Jay 💬 11:47, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 17:11, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

جمادى الآخر أو جمادى الثان

Unlikely search term. MSMST1543 (talk) 16:57, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep, looks to be a pretty standard WP:RLANG, with these two variations listed immediately in the lead. Not an unlikely search term, were there other reasons for this nomination? Utopes (talk / cont) 17:42, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    How is this redirect different from a redirect from level or stage to level (video gaming)? MSMST1543 (talk) 06:31, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's not at all similar to that redirect (but WP:OTHERSTUFF would apply even if it were) - this redirect is unambiguous, mentioned at the target and is the name for the subject in a relevant local language. The other redirect had WP:XY issues and could refer to multiple different types of level and/or multiple different types of stage. Thryduulf (talk) 09:52, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It’s not the name of the subject in Arabic. It’s two names separated by “or” with the last word misspelled. MSMST1543 (talk) 02:49, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Utopes. Thryduulf (talk) 09:52, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per the nom's later explanation. Two new redirects per variation may be created though. Jay 💬 17:04, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 17:10, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete; if it were merely a typo we'd delete it (don't need redirects for foreign-language typos), and "X or Y" in a foreign language seems even less plausible than a typo by itself. Nyttend (talk) 20:51, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Saint John High School Fencing Club

Unnecessary redirect, clubs of specific schools would typically not be made into an article (or redirect for that matter) unless it is notable. This is the only redirect to High school fencing aside from a different capitalization redirect. B3251 (talk) 16:51, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppa Hitler Style

The target section discusses the "Hitler reacts" Downfall/Untergang memes generally, but not specific ones, and I don't think it really needs to. Thus, I'm skeptical of redirecting the names of specific parodies. --BDD (talk) 15:47, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:LITTLEORPHAN

While seemingly in reference to the pronunciation of "ANI" as being for "(Little orphan) Annie", I fully thought a shortcut with this name would have been in reference to little orphaned pages on Wikipedia. Anyone familiar enough with the WP culture of "ANI sounds like Annie therefore Little Orphan is a functional redirect", and can solve those literary gymnastics on the dime, would also be familiar enough to use one of the several other more-convenient avenues of reaching this noticeboard. Utopes (talk / cont) 05:29, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Also notified of this discussion at the proposed target talk page.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 12:16, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per WP:XY as it's a plausible shortcut for both Wikipedia:Orphan and Wikipedia:Stub (as in, a "little orphan") but isn't a useful redirect to ANI. Don't disambiguate: the "humorous" elements of Wikipedia are a walled garden for good reason. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:33, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry Dave

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

We have successfully kicked the can down the road with this one. Months later, no mention of this quotation from the movie. If it's as important as claimed, it would either A: have its own article, B: be covered SOMEwhere, or C: be a red link to encourage content creation wherever it makes sense to do so. As it stands, A and B are off the table (or at least not yet done), and with nothing on Wikipedia about this quote, this is still not a helpful redirect. Utopes (talk / cont) 05:38, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

La, la

Retarget to La La, where La la and the lowercase la la also target. This was supposedly the title of an unreleased Madonna song (but the title is incorrect, and the song is actually called "Pala Tute"). Regardless, it's still ambiguous with other "La la" titles and should target the dab instead. CycloneYoris talk! 04:27, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was up above it

No mention of this lyric at the target. People that search for this lyric do not receive any pertinent content, especially when it's easy enough to find the name of the actual song. Wikipedia is not a lyric compendium. Utopes (talk / cont) 03:59, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I See You (Kap G song)

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was keep. Song mentioned at article now. (non-admin closure) Utopes (talk / cont) 05:21, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No mention of this song on Wikipedia. This is not a useful redirect for people that would like to read about this song and get nothing in return. Utopes (talk / cont) 03:58, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. There is now, I've inserted one. No mention of this song on Wikipedia. Untrue. Even if it wasn't mentioned at Kap G, it was already mentioned at Chris Brown discography. Ss112 05:15, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

I just farted

Proud of you for saying something so bold, but this is not a useful redirect in its current form. Used to target 9gag, not mentioned there either. Utopes (talk / cont) 03:57, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have a bad feeling about this

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

A quote not mentioned at the target article. It was suggested at a past RfD that this is a significant quote that people have wrote about externally. Great! It should remain as a red link to encourage article creation, or cited in the page if viable. In the meantime, for the last X years we have had zero content about this quote, so there doesn't need to be a redirect if we don't have anything further to say besides "it exists". People who make the conscious decision to type this instead of "Star Wars" are looking for something related to this, and we don't have it. Utopes (talk / cont) 03:55, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I Beheld His Glory

A TV episode for a program not on Wikipedia, and not discussed at the hosting show article either. Not currently a helpful redirect for people interested in this topic, as it would otherwise not exist for people that read the target. Utopes (talk / cont) 03:53, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hubert’s Lemonade

Neither "Hubert" nor, surprisingly, "Lemonade" comes up at the target article. Seems to be a brand of lemonade owned by Coca-Cola, but targeting this specific brand to the overarching company is not useful for people looking for Hubert's Lemonade. If people wanted to read about the Coca Cola company instead, they'd just search for the Coca Cola company directly. Utopes (talk / cont) 03:50, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Horse News

This redirect survived CSD through a charitable BLAR. Not mentioned at the target, not likely to be mentioned at the target. Not a useful redirect in the page's current form. Utopes (talk / cont) 03:48, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. This was/is a site run by 4chan's /mlp/ board as an alternative to Equestria Daily. Break that down-- this is a fansite run by a subsection of the MLP fandom because the main, more-notable site used by the rest of the fandom didn't conform to that subsection's views (because... it's 4chan.) I challenge ANYONE to find a credible secondary source for this, which would be required to mention it on any of the possible non-mention targets of My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic fandom, Equestria Daily, or 4chan#/mlp/. Send it to the moon. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 10:56, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

King Karlomann

This misspelling is unique to Wikipedia, Google does not know about it. Delete. Викидим (talk) 00:14, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete two errors so unlikely misspelling --Lenticel (talk) 00:20, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per above as an unlikely search term. InterstellarGamer12321 (talk | contribs) 13:00, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Carloman, a disambiguation page listing the many kings of the Franks known by the same name. The Franks spoke a Germanic language in which the kings were called Karlmann, and it's also written in Latin as Karlomanus; Karlomann is a plausible misspelling of both. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:39, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Delete or retarget?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 03:48, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. Karlomann also redirects to this target, which has "Karlomann" bolded in the very first sentence. It's not an error, apparently not a misspelling (either likely or unlikely), and not unique to Wikipedia. No objection to retargeting to Carloman if others think that's better than the current target. It has three Kings Karlomann and four non-Kings Karlomann, if that matters at all. Nyttend (talk) 12:51, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hold On To This

No song with this name appears at the target page, NOR does it appear at Jake Miller discography either, although a "Hold On" does appear at the discography... Without a disambiguator here though this is already a fairly vague term. Utopes (talk / cont) 03:46, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hitler Reacts (Internet meme)

The word "react" does not appear in any form at the target article, nor are Hitler's reactions ever alluded to. Does not seem helpful as effectively an "R from unmentioned, related meme term to Internet section" Utopes (talk / cont) 03:45, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Highnoon

R from merge that does not seem to be mentioned at the target any longer. Confusable with High Noon as is, but as an R from merge perhaps there's a deeper noteworthy-ness of the missing space... Utopes (talk / cont) 03:43, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Heaven’s Gate (AJ Mitchell song)

No song with either of these names is discussed at the target article; nothing present for people searching for this song, only to be given a page with zero relevant information. Utopes (talk / cont) 03:37, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

HDIV

Apparently HDIV is now a part of Datadog. However, this framework is never mentioned anywhere at the target article. This undone PROD seems to be either suited for a standalone article (hard as there were no references previously), or no article at all. The status quo of retargeting this to the parent of Datadog does not seem helpful for people searching for this term to find out what HDIV means perhaps, and not having any content at the target to answer these questions. Utopes (talk / cont) 03:36, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Heavytread

No mention of a heavytread, and could seemingly be confused with other treads. Utopes (talk / cont) 01:59, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Heartbroken (Hrvy song)

No mention of a song called "Heartbroken" at the target article. Utopes (talk / cont) 01:59, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Harmonious Claptrap

No mention of a harmonious claptrap at the target, creator blocked for disruptive editing. Utopes (talk / cont) 01:58, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://heavy.com/entertainment/2019/11/dan-harmon-harmonious-vanity-card-new/
Only marginally useful proof I could find about this, might not be substantial enough to ensure the redirect's existence. MimirIsSmart (talk) 09:23, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Halo 1 pistol

According to the halo wiki, there are "many different pistols used in the Halo universe". I don't think this is a useful search term, zero evidence that "Halo 1 pistol" is an alternate name for this pistol even if used by Master Chief. Wikipedia is not a search engine to figure out "what's the name of the pistol that Master Chief uses in Halo 1". Not a great precedent for titles, i.e. based on MOS:POPCULT, and franchises that reference a real model of pistol. Utopes (talk / cont) 01:56, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Halo 1 also has the Plasma Pistol, making this an inaccurate term. It's generally referred to as the "magnum" to differentiate it. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:04, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • To be clear, this is specifically an alternative name redirect, intended for people who know about the pistol and it's significance, and call it this name. A google search gives a couple social media posts of people who call it that. I don't understand your last sentence. Snowmanonahoe (talk · contribs · typos) 10:58, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Half-holing

No mention of "half" or "holing" at the target article. Through my own experience I'm fairly sure this is meant to indicate "putting your finger over half of a hole on a wind instrument", but the fact of the matter is that this technique doesn't come up at the target, so people who look this up will not be given the content they were seeking with this search term. Wanting to learn about fingering as a whole, they'd just search for the base article without having to use this particular terminology. Utopes (talk / cont) 01:52, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Halahel

Not mentioned at target. Was a remnant of an R2 that was retarget to avoid deletion, after the base page was moved (and later eventually deleted) at Draft:Halahel. Not useful without any context as to what Halahel is. Utopes (talk / cont) 01:49, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OperaMail.com

Neither Opera mail nor "OperaMail" are mentioned at the target, much less its supposed .com domain. This domain currently exists on the web as a redirect to opera dot com, and as for Wikipedia, without a mention of operamail this does not seem to be the most helpful currently. (Even if it's a mail site that was acquired by Opera from 2010 to 2013. Notably, this redirect was created in 2011 when the "opera" description was accurate, but Fastmail became independent again very shortly after and has been so for the last decade.) Utopes (talk / cont) 01:38, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Open Floor

No information about "Open Floor" at the target, which is noted in the edit history as being an "entirely different school than 5Rhythms". Was blanked for a moment in 2021, but was restored as a redirect due to no content being added. In any case, this title is ambiguous with Open floor plan which is a redirect to the article of Open plan, who's content is directly pertinent to open floors. Utopes (talk / cont) 01:34, 19 April 2024 (UTC) Open Floor is a style of modern dance, as is 5Rhythms. The two are not the same so the redirect (from a dance point of view) should go to Modern dance, with a brief mention of the approach to be added there. Chiswick Chap (talk) 06:55, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Open Access Directory

No mention of anything being "open access", or a "directory" at the target page. Currently, this redirect is not helpful as people who might be looking for this directory are instead taken to information about the university instead of information about the directory that they specified. Utopes (talk / cont) 01:30, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Most of the incoming links are not related to the university, suggesting there is an opportunity to create a new article here. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 02:11, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One World (imprint)

No mention of this imprint at the target article, anyone specifying this would not receive any content about their search term. Utopes (talk / cont) 01:29, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's 7 mainspace links sans the dab page, only in refs and infoboxes. Why couldn't these be replaced with piped links instead? Seven isn't several unless one is David Jelinsky, so it shouldn't be too bad to replace, and doesn't seem to be the end-all-be-all for keeping or deleting. For anyone that actually is searching for the imprint specifically, we have nothing for, so the existence of links can be avoided by linking to the main Random House article, allowing to prioritize useful redirects that are able to actually provide aid to readers. (There also might be a discrepancy with Oneworld Publications, but the link is unclear to me. Utopes (talk / cont) 02:14, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Using a piped link such as [[Random House|One World]] would provide no more information to the reader than linking via the redirect. {{R to article without mention}} is currently used on hundreds of pages besides this one. I just don't see the harm in such a redirect, and it's useful for linking. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 12:38, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's no need to prioritize any redirect, since redirects are cheap. The existence of this one doesn't prevent the creation of any other, or searching via different keywords. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 01:07, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And not to be pedantic, but several actually means "more than two but not many". So you are effectively saying there are many incoming mainspace links, which bolsters the "keep" argument. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 01:12, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I just added an entry under Penguin Random House#Random House Publishing Group, so I think the best course now is to retarget to that page and section. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 01:42, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Odiogo

Redirected to the history of podcasting after an AfD, because there was no sourced content worth merging. However, it doesn't appear at the target any longer, if it appeared to begin with if the merge idea fell through. Does not seem to be a useful redirect in the target's current form. Utopes (talk / cont) 01:18, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep/add mention to target. The site isn't mentioned at the target article because an editor disregarded the outcome of the deletion discussion and WP:BLARed the article instead of merging it properly. - Eureka Lott 22:00, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nutrient Recovery and Reuse

No mention of "Nutrient" at the target page. Was created as a redirect without mention at the target. Afterward, the creator proceeded to link this term in the See Also sections of high profile pages that had very stringent connections to the "Recovery and Reuse of Nutrients". Seems to be an effort to establish notoriety to this term, which appears nowhere on Wikipedia in an academic context, sans the randomly piped See Also mentions. Utopes (talk / cont) 01:16, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nonstop Sampler

No mention of Nonstop Sampler at the target discography, does not seem to be a likely search term without any content pertinent to it. Utopes (talk / cont) 00:59, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Non-crypto Public Chain

No mentions of "non-crypto" or "public chain" appear at the target page for Blockchain. It's worth noting that the creator of this article-ish was blocked for WP:UPE later that year (2022). Utopes (talk / cont) 00:58, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"one word: decentralized personal server. take back your data"
delete per "what does that even mean?". the "article" was moved from draftspace with what seems to be no evidence of ever being accepted, and consisted almost solely of incomprehensible cryptobro jargon. not actually entirely sure that last part is a valid basis cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:10, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I... uh. If you want a personal server, just... buy... a server...???? No blockchain necessary?????? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:34, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
that's part of the joke from the line's source. "decentralized personal server" isn't one word, doesn't actually mean anything, and sure as hell doesn't need to involve biocurrency i mean cryptocurrency
with that in mind, i guess retargeting it to server would be technically a bit less wrong, but still not correct enough to avoid deletion cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:07, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nine to Noon

Neither nine nor noon are noted near this novella. Utopes (talk / cont) 00:54, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Programme schedule added, including Nine to Noon. Paora (talk) 21:52, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nights' Science

Similarly, not even "science" appears at the target article, and Nights has been established to not as well. Utopes (talk / cont) 00:51, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nights (program)

No mention of a program called "Nights" at the target article. Utopes (talk / cont) 00:51, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Programme schedule added, including Nights. Paora (talk) 21:52, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NetApp FlexVol

This page came into existence as 300 bytes of unreferenced product description which was BLAR'd within a handful of minutes. "FlexVol" does not appear at the topic, and people specifying this product will receive no information about the subject. Utopes (talk / cont) 00:46, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neohapantotype

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was keep. Article has been reworked and referenced, including a mention to this term. (non-admin closure) Utopes (talk / cont) 04:06, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The section for "Hapantotype" exists as a single citationless sentence. This is the only mention of "Hapantotype". A variant that is specifically "neo" is not mentioned nor ever referred to at the target, as even the Hapantotype general section is lacking. Utopes (talk / cont) 00:44, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep, Used in Protist specific literature when talking about type specimens. "Neo-" is a specific modifier for instances where the original type is lost and a new specimen is chosen for the species, and the specific term is used in a live wiki article already. Citation added to the section --Kevmin § 02:38, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Works for me, thanks for the inclusion! Utopes (talk / cont) 04:06, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Neb-er-tcher

Apparently a god in Egyptian mythology, however this god is not ever described at the Osiris article, and bears no mention. People who search this term are left confused as to the correlation between this god and Osiris. Utopes (talk / cont) 00:41, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. This redirect seems to be an error on the part of the creator (User:TUF-KAT, who last edited 15 years ago). A Google search for Neb-er-tcher turns up this page, an excerpt from Legends of the Gods (1912) by E. A. Wallis Budge, describing the creation myth found in Papyrus Bremner-Rhind. "Neb-er-tcher" is Budge's archaic transcription of a divine name meaning "Lord of the limit" or "Lord to the limit", which was generally an epithet of Atum, not Osiris. Budge doesn't identify this deity as Atum, but later sources universally do so (e.g.: Raymond O. Faulkner (1937), "The Bremner-Rhind Papyrus: III: D. The Book of Overthrowing ꜤApep" in The Journal of Egyptian Archaeology; James P. Allen (1988), Genesis in Egypt; Geraldine Pinch (2002), Egyptian Mythology).
The redirect obviously should not lead to Osiris, who isn't directly related to this deity. Nor should it be retargeted to Atum, because nobody refers to him by this obsolete transcription of his epithet. (Note the pageviews.) A. Parrot (talk) 05:19, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Atum per A. Parrot's finding. A published work in Modern English refers to this god with this spelling of this name; that's all we need. Someone could read that page and decide to search Wikipedia for it. Obviously it's not going to be any problem for other aspects of redirects (causes confusion, ambiguous, etc.), and implausibility is not a factor if we can prove that it's been used like this. Nyttend (talk) 12:55, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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