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• Spencer Carlin

List of LGBT people pages: (on 2008-01-21)

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Thanks

Thank you for the tips on contributing. MarmadukePercy (talk) 16:43, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Just one quick dumb question. If one is attempting to edit a page (add info), sometimes when one is finished, the edit omits much of what was on the page to begin with. (If that makes sense.) Is there something I'm doing wrong? Again, many thanks!MarmadukePercy (talk) 17:08, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Hm. I'm not quite sure I understand your question? There is a difference when editing between clicking "edit this page" up at the top of the screen and clicking the little "edit" that shows up be each section header. Is that what you're talking about? -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 20:23, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

One more dumb question. I don't quite understand the footnote process. When I've tried to insert a footnote in the text, it seems to wipe out all the text beneath it. I'm sure I'm doing something wrong but not quite sure what it is. Thanks again for your help!MarmadukePercy (talk) 23:14, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Bot

Your SatyrBot has placed a Template:WPVN to Talk:Policies, activities and history of the Philippines in Spratly Islands. Please exclude that article from your Bot's targets. That article deals only with Philippines, not Vietnam.

I proceeded removing the template from the talk page. Please make sure this will never happen again.

If you feel that WPVN template is appropriate for that article, please have a conversation with me first. Thanks.

-- Estarapapax^{Tall back!} 9:41, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Estarapapax! The bot placed the {{WPVN}} on the article because the article is in the Category:Spratly Islands. There are a couple different options for getting the bot to ignore the article. What I recommend is talking to WP:VIET to see if it is appropriate for the bot to tag all articles in that category. There are other options, so let me know if that doesn't accomplish what you want.

As a side note, having a project's banner on an article talk page in no way hurts the article, so you might consider just leaving it there. And please be careful of WP:OWN? Thanks much! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 20:19, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello again. Of course I'm very aware of that. While it is true that I'm the one who created it, I'm totally not against any person, whether Filipino or not, to add substantial information or remove insignificant and fallacious ones. I'm still improving the article, that's why I may have gone against some edits of other people (actually, it's just one). If you have gone far as checking the history of that article, you might have noticed that I have gone mad with someone before regarding his edits in that article. I will not go into the details, the only thing I can say is that I strongly believe what he'd done is inappropriate. I didn't reverted all what he had done. I'm a person who observe consensus. By the way, he's a Filipino, in case you're suspecting me as taking too much ethnic pride. After reviewing my original inquiry to you, I realized that you might have misinterpreted this statement, "That article deals only with Philippines, not Vietnam." Well, sorry for not elaborating further what I meant with that. For all I know, Wikipedia Projects are intended to improve and create articles related to the Wikiprojects' scope. Wikiproject Philippines deals with Philippine-related projects only. Likewise, Wikiproject Vietnam deals with Vietnam-related articles only. While it is true that articles dealing with Vietnam includes Spratly Islands, I believe that the article I'm talking about is totally not related to Vietnam. What can Wikiproject Vietnam do with that article? Can Vietnamese improve it? The only thing they can do is to watch it to prevent it from becoming too Philippine-centered, which is not in the scope of Wikiprojects. You're right in saying that it doesn't hurt the article since the banner is placed in the talk page. However, if it's inappropriate, it should still be removed. I'll take your advise to talk WP:VIET, but I'll do it later since I'm really busy right now. Thanks. Estarapapax (talk) 13:08, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Removing a cat and calling it something else

FYI: Note this diff on your userpage. - ✰ALLSTAR✰ ^echo 20:23, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Why did Betacommand use that edit summary? AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 20:36, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Well that's obvious! Because Bush is a Queer Wikipedian, of course. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 20:38, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

How could I forget! AgnosticPreachersKid (talk)

LOL! The things you can learn reading Wikipedia... Aleta (Sing) 20:48, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict) You may be interested in Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Betacommand‎ as well since that's where all the hoopla has moved to. Nothing but lip service going on there really, everyone saying what they want but no one trying to come to a consensus. I started a Support/Oppose thread about requiring BetacommandBot to follow {{bots}} but it got removed twice, the first time by Betacommand himself. - ✰ALLSTAR✰ ^echo 20:46, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikiproject Geology

Hey Satyr, just a heads up that I've recommended SatyrBot to Wikipedia:WikiProject Geology. I don't know if your services will be requested, but they might be. Aleta (Sing) 03:36, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Awesome! :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 04:12, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Acutally, John Bot will perform this, once I get a trial :). CWii_{(Talk|Contribs)} 22:45, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good - and/or let me know if you need a backup :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 23:26, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

This weekend

I plan on having someone

my

I hope you enjoy your weekend as much as I will. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 06:17, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

lmao - ✰ALLSTAR✰ ^echo 06:27, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

ROTFL! Enjoy, sweetie! There ain't much of that available in my neck of the woods, so have a spank on me :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 08:26, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

You could always take a stroll around UNCW and admire the "scenery." AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 15:00, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I forgot to ask, how do I hide the table of contents on my user page? I tried adding a code, but I had to rv cause it didn't seem to work. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 15:05, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I believe __NOTOC__ does it.

Ever been to Ibiza? I have. Not the island - the club here in Wilmington, NC. It's not quite like the island - though a couple beers later and it's not *too* bad. I even had someone buy me a shot, which was probably more than I should have had for a Thursday night =D -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 15:31, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

File:APK jager.jpg

Oh yes, I've been many times. It's on Market Street downtown. We use to stay at the Courtyard Marriott where Market and College Road intersect and go out to the club on a Friday night, recover the next morning, then go to the beach. I've had some makeout sessions in the room upstairs with the big couches. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 16:01, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

That's a cute room! I didn't even get up there this time. I'm not a big bar fly, so I may not go again this year, but if I do I'll go look for signs you were there... :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 16:04, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

signs=stains on the couch. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 16:08, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I noticed above that you mentioned you had a shot, but I didn't realize until now that it was jager! APK loves his jagerbombs. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 17:22, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

See! How can I refuse with such a winning smile!? Yumm =D -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 23:05, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

You better hit that Satyr! :P - ✰ALLSTAR✰ ^echo 02:56, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm a good southern preacher's kid...I don't know what you're talkin about. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 02:58, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

<splutter> No good, APK - I've known far to many preacher's kids for that to fly :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 03:01, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

I've dated quite a few. They're a strange lot, those PKs. APK was a late bloomer though, because of his upbringing. I didn't have my first cigarette and alcoholic drink until I was almost 22, right before I graduated from college in P'cola. It all went downhill from there. Although, the head deacon's son and I did have some fun in high school. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 03:06, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

I remember going to a big revival in P'cola at Brownsville. I got "filled" alright and it wasn't with the holy casper. - ✰ALLSTAR✰ ^echo 03:23, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

I bet you were speaking in tongues, but with expletives thrown in every other word. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 03:27, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: userpage/category

If that category ever gets restored, it will be hit with the fifth (arguably sixth) deletion and the fourth CSD:G4 speedy. I somehow doubt that it will come back, but I'll make a note not to edit your userpage per your request. Octane ^{[improve me]} 07.03.08 0921 (UTC)

What's with the urge to purge these categories from user pages? I don't get why these people care so much. I read the discussion from the link on ASE's page. Nosey people are peculiar to me. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 03:08, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Not enough to worry about apparently. Aleta (Sing) 03:16, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

That's sad. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 03:27, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Question

Is there some WP policy to cite to explain why the red lettering for deleted images should be removed? Read this to understand what I mean. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 03:36, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't know of any policies or guidelines. Images run under a different set of guidelines than articles, so WP:REDLINKS doesn't address your question. And a look through WP:IFD likewise is not fruitful. So I don't know =D -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 03:58, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Edit war?

Oh my FUCKING GOD. The images were improperly deleted and I'm being accused of vandalism for trying to restore them. Thanks so much for your assumption of good faith. Warms my heart it does to know that editors with whom I've had former dealings are so quick to jump in with false edit war accusations. Thanks a lot. Otto4711 (talk) 03:42, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

• Well hey, if it makes you feel better to declare my actions an "edit war" far be it from me to protest. Otto4711 (talk) 03:50, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

• I don't appreciate false accusations, regardless of whatever wikitrappings in which they may be dressed up. Otto4711 (talk) 03:54, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Am I the only one noticing a violation of WP:3RR? 5 reverts and counting. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 04:17, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I should probably have used something other than a canned 3rr when I warned him. Sigh. I actually *like* Otto4711, even if we've had our differences. That's not going to help our relationship at all, though, is it. I think I'll go watch Bee Movie since the first season if Dante's Cove is still 12 hrs away from being downloaded. I mean borrowed. Sigh. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 04:26, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Matt evading block again?

An IP purporting to be Matt Sanchez has posted on Benjiboi's talk and Happy-Melon's talk pages. Aleta ^Sing 04:30, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh, well apparently you've already seen it. :) Aleta ^Sing 04:32, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

(ec x 2) And FYI, I've asked Slakr to block, as the first admin who had previously blocked Matt IP socks and recorded on the Bluemarine ArbCom page that I found was currently editing. I noticed that you had removed the comments to Benjiboi when I went to do it. Jay*Jay (talk) 04:36, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Is the full moon in retrograde or something? Weirdness abounds!! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 04:34, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Ah, just another day in the life of Wikipedia... lol Aleta ^Sing 04:36, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Aleta, remember what I said in the e-mail? Who needs a writer's strike when we gots the dramz on WP! AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 04:49, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm never going to get to watch my movie. Sigh. I'm in ur wipedia, adding 2 ur dramaz! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 04:51, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

It's true, APK, it's true. Satyr - go, watcheth thy movie and forgetteth this stuffeth for a couple hours! Aleta ^Sing 04:57, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I will - I'm AN/I'ing the below weirdness, then I'm logging off. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 04:58, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

You know, Matt really should help us all to relieve the stress he causes with a little recreation - but then, I don't think he'd meet my standards for participation! :P Jay*Jay (talk) 05:02, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

We don't need Matt for that. (grins) I'm going back and forth to the computer during commerical breaks on SNL. I can't even enjoy a show w/o having to see what has happened on here. I needs help. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 05:05, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Gag me with a spoon! I can't believe you just suggested that! Yech! /me runs away to my movie -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 05:04, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

While Satyr is watching his movie, let's trash him on his talk page. Ummm, I'll go first. *sings, "Matt and Satyr sittin in a tree...." AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 05:07, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Satyr, to be fair, I did add a caveat that was a very mild version of the thought in my mind at that time - a comment that I heard once before that "I wouldn't even [insert appropriate short-but-direct euphemism for sexual activity] him with your [insert appropriate short-but-direct euphemism for male 'equipment']"
APK, to judge from the above, it might have to be "S - P - E - W - I - N - G ..." :D Jay*Jay (talk) 05:14, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

All these evades of his year long block only proves Arbcom is a joke. Seriously. So this IP got blocked. He will be back. This is like what, his 254604603168463406135073501078th IP address? I've finally unwatched that article and am thinking about just AfDing it myself. - ✰ALLSTAR✰ ^echo 06:27, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh, he's a pain in butt yeah, but he's no longer directly getting what he wants or stalling work on the article. (Of course, tensions there are related to his lasting influence, but that's not what he's actively doing anymore.) Aleta ^Sing 14:21, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Give it a little time. Tensions will fade, the article will reach an equilibrium. And what you said about blocking can be applied to SOOO many vandals it's not even funny - Matt's only evaded about 6 times - see the logs. That's nothing compared to some really nasty vandals. BTW, Bee movie was okay. Not great, but okay. And Dante's Cove is almost done downloading! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 15:15, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Return of the homophobe: 68.175.69.223 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) droppings cleaned up by APK, but a new block and case notation are needed. Thanks, Jay*Jay (talk) 17:16, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Blocked for one week, logged. Thanks :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 18:16, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you - I just wish there was a way to make him go away, without semi-protecting talk pages. Jay*Jay (talk) 18:27, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Weird admin thing

Howdy, you seem more in touch with editors from an admin point of view. A user, Mhsb, appears to have some sort of disagreement with some other user Opinoso. I left a message for Mhsb back in early February, and had his talk page on my watchlist.

At any rate, Mhsb moved his own user page to the article namespace, but using the name of that other editor as the title. Then Mhsb again moved his user page (now in the article namespace), to another title, TheKindEditor.

I just moved it back since userpages don't belong in the article namespace, but I figured some sort of administrator might care? This sort of thing is totally not my area of expertise, so if you can take care of deciding if those moves were problems, and do the report in the proper place if so, I'd be much obliged. JackSchmidt (talk) 04:43, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Baburi

If you go to Historical pederastic couples#Pre-modern period you will find a quote from Babur's autobiography which describes well the episode. I found it sufficient to include him in that group, but it may be an uphill fight to maintain an LGBT categorization. From a contemporary perspective, all men of the time could have been tagged that way. Haiduc (talk) 16:03, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeh, but all men aren't emperors. And all men didn't leave behind an extensive autobiography that includes their infatuation with cute guys. Sigh. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 16:05, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

HELP

Ayaan Hirsi Ali is being attacked again by a suspected sock of Leaveout. I can't edit the article anymore w/o breaking the 3RR, but Zencv is being difficult on the article and talk page. The style of edits, edit summaries, talk page discussions, etc. are all signs of a sock. See Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Leaveout. How do I check to see if it's the same person? I've never requested Check user before and I don't know how to show the differences because there were so many edits made by the now-banned IP's. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 16:10, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I've warned the user about 3RR, which really should have been done a couple hours ago. You might try 3RR *before* your second or third revert :)

I don't really know much about checkuser. You've reported on socks before - this should be done the same way, no? I'm honestly clueless on that regard. You might also try WP:ANI to see if they're a sock. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 16:21, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Re Amstell page

It's the latter show as in Never Mind The Buzzcocks (rather than Popworld, which would make it "the former show"); the show isn't John Barrowman's, he was just a celebrity panelist. ^_^ Rachel Summers (talk) 19:10, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeh, so can we rewrite that sentence? As someone unfamiliar with Barrowman, Amstell, NMTB, *or* PW, the sentence's antecedents don't make sense to me. How about:

He has referred to his orientation numerous times for comic effect on both Popworld and Never Mind The Buzzcocks, even being challenged to a "gay-off" by John Barrowman when Barrowman was a guest on NMTB.

Or spell out NMTB. Maybe I'm just not getting it and need more coffee, but the word "latter" there confuses me. I'll leave it up to you :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 19:15, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Sure, that works. Thanks! Rachel Summers (talk) 19:18, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

NP. BTW, I sorta reviewed the history a bit. This kind of low-level non-edit-war is really tough to deal with, but I've watchlisted the article and will help out if I can. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 19:20, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, that'd be much appreciated! Rachel Summers (talk) 19:22, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

DiamantVert modern potting techniques

Hello, I have read the guideleines, for wikipedia, and it was not my intention to spam, please provide some guidance as to how the article can be revised. I have prepared some pictures to add to illustrate the techniques. Furthermore the article notes that the idea is patented however the patents are now in public domain ( I can add more references for the patents) I saw in reading the guidelines that sources should be used.

sincerely,

Hi!

There are two issues you want to be careful of when writing your article, and you'll want to look over "How to write your first article" to get some more information. The first issue is Conflict Of Interest - are you the person/service you are trying to create the article about? In this case, are you the inventor or significantly involved in DiamantVert? Writing an article about yourself is severely frowned upon by Wikipedia - read through WP:COI when you get a chance. If your service is truly notable (see the next point below), then let someone else create the article. That way there are no allegations of advertising, conflict of interest, etc.

The other issue, and perhaps the most important reason your article was deleted, is Notability. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. As such, we (generally) don't write articles about every person, service, band, film, etc in the world - just the ones that are most notable. It's a somewhat subjective thing, but we do have guidelines and policies in place that describe the encyclopedia's take on it. Read through the notability guidelines when you get a chance.

I hope that helps. Feel free to leave me a message if you have any further questions. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 13:48, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Category deletion

The difference between it and "regular" deletion is that you have to empty the category. Deleting the category does not remove the category from the articles. And you can see that here. So you just need to go into every article on that list and remove the Works with auric section category from each article. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 11:02, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Bots can be used but honestly, when it's less than 20, I don't bother. You don't need to add anything. You just remove the category from the articles. Here is an example. For the edit summary, I usually use "rem cat per" and then the internal link to the deletion discussion. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 14:24, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

I depopulated the category myself. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 22:30, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi!!!!!!

You are such a girl

Yay! Thank you :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 14:31, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

LOL Aleta ^Sing 16:59, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank You

Thank you for intervening on the Professor Akram Fouad Khater article. I have responded on his article Talk:Akram Fouad Khater page. LoveMonkey (talk) 14:33, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Question on warning templates

I'm wondering what the procedure should be now for warnings on the talk page of the IP who keeps removing or severely minimizing the info on Simon Amstell's orientation; even assuming good faith, they're removing sourced info which is sound and notable, but they've already received a "final" vandalism warning on this page. Does one start over from the beginning with level 1 or 2 "please don't remove cited info", add a more severe warning..? Rachel Summers (talk) 20:34, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

I've already left a "please talk about it" message, which seems to have spurred some discussion. And my *guess* is that Enigma365 is the IP, but time will tell. There does seem to be some progress going on - you might want to just wait a bit and see what develops. We're not on a deadline here, so give the discussion some time to develop. You might even leave the text alone for a bit while the discussion is going on. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 21:21, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

D'oh! I've already been fiddling with the text. *wince* Well, I'll try to curb my immediatist (I think that's what it's called) tendencies for a bit and see what happens. Also--Enigma365, really? I wouldn't have guessed that, based on their earlier comments on the talk page... Rachel Summers (talk) 21:32, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Oops - you're right. Probably not Enigma. I saw a redlinked user pop in to the discussion after I left my "hey" message and assumed. Bad me :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 21:34, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Batsu

Hi, just to let you know, I reverted your edits to Buffy Summers. Buffy may not identify as gay, and may only be in an LGBT relationship for one issue, but it's clearly earned some notability through media attention so I think the category is appropiate. The article doesn't cover it in much detail at the moment but once we do, I even think we should list the article under LGBT studies.  Paul  730 22:52, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Wasn't it a fling? If she doesn't identify as lesbian or bisexual, I don't think she belongs in the cat OR bannered as part of the project. The TV show has our project banner, Willow (of course) does, but I don't believe she needs it. It's just not central to the character. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 00:31, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Having discussed it with another editor I have to agree with you about the category, but am still on the fence about the project - doesn't the coverage this story has recieved make it relevant to LGBT studies? I must say this whole Batsu thing is very confusing in general - I'm loving the story but I've heard so many opinions one way or another about over it the last week that my head is spinning. You can't say Joss Whedon doesn't know how to rile people up and get them talking. :P  Paul  730 01:53, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Don't you remember when the show was on? I finished 2/3 of the episodes SCREAMING at Joss for how he was handling something, or what someone had said, or being left on the edge of my seat for an hour, or the cliffhanger! He's an absolute MASTER at his craft, no doubt about it. If I could have his babies! Wait - did i say that out loud?

In any case, I kinda think this is like WP:BLP#1E - it's a significant event, but will pass. Though if she has another fling, or decides she's really a boy, then she'll definitely be part of the project. And ya never know... :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 02:00, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

But if it's notable now, isn't it notable forever? I thought notability doesn't age. I'm not saying we should give it undue wait by dedicating half the article to Buffy's experiment with Satsu, but if it's getting coverage now, I don't think we have to wait and see if she qualifies as relevant to LGBT studies. ;)

I got into Buffyverse through the videos/DVDs, which I'm kind of happy about, because I don't think I could have waited for some of the cliffhangers. Buffy has a sister? Fuck waiting a week, just stick on the next episode! Lol. But I'm loving the comics. Some people complain that a monthly comic is too long to wait, but I think it's very well paced. I'm satisfied, while still really excited. It's perfect.  Paul  730 02:28, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Notability of a subject is forever, so they say. But I think you hit the nail on the head with WP:UNDUE. Buffy's got six seasons of eps behind her, almost all of them in one way or another dealing with the men in her life. Now the *show* is certainly relevant to LGBT studies, but Buffy? Though there are some scenes between her and Faith.... never mind :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 04:36, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind my butting in to say "awwwyeah" about those Buffy/Faith bits of subtext. Awwwyeah. Rachel Summers (talk) 04:58, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Rachel, this is for you. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 05:03, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

William Alexander

Hi, in response to your question about William Alexander being included on the LGBT list: Well, I didn't include it in the stub that currently is his biography because I didn't want to give disproportionate importance to his sexuality. "William Alexander Levy, a big gay homosexual,..." seemed a bit too much. If you go over to the short article on the Hangover House, his most famous work, it does touch on his homosexuality because the house was designed for three gay friends/lovers (of which Alexander was one). The sexuality/relationship of the first inhabitants had relevance to the design of the home, and (I feel) therefore to the article. I added a footnote on the LGBT list that links to a podcast in which William Alexander's sexuality is discussed. You should be able to review this from any computer. I hope this helps clarify! Udibi (talk) 23:53, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Olivier Py

Given the theatre directorships, i cannot really see how you thought there was no assertion of importance. I think it will hold up perfectly well at afd; though you or of course welcome to nominate it, I'd advise agaist it. DGG (talk) 03:43, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Gay Affirmative Psychotherapy

I need help for this article. On german wikipedia we have a good article. In english wikipedia this article is until today missing. The Gay Affirmative Psychotherapy is the opposite to conversion therapy . It helps gay people, who ar unsure and have fear, what maybe the society or family may say and so on. Maybe you can fill this article with more information. GLGermann (talk) 13:12, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Classical music To-do list

Hi there,

I see your bot has been updating the small to-do list for WP:Classical music (and many thanks for that). Are you still updating Wikipedia:WikiProject Classical music/To-do list though? The page has been neglected for some time and I've made it into a redirect for now. Personally I'm not too bothered if that To-do list was just left as a redirect. We already have Category:Classical music articles needing attention.

But it would be really nice if your bot could help us populate that category by just tagging all articles with Template:Classical that need attention with {{Classical|attention=yes}}. It's not urgent but it would great if that could be done! Thanks for all your work so far! Centy – reply• contribs – 18:48, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

See what you think of the full list - I neglected to set that up for you, though the bot's updating the sub-pages regularly. If that's not what you're looking for, let me know? -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 21:14, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

That's great..thanks! Centy – reply• contribs – 11:38, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Not so fast

Hi, and thank you for pointing out that an article about a book need not be deleted - simply because one Wikipedian dislikes the point the book makes. It's possible to have a neutral article about a "book which makes a point", right? --Uncle Ed (talk) 21:17, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Your welcome, I guess? I don't know anything about the book, and very little about the evident debate on the talk page? But it was labeled with {{db-spam}}, which that article is not, so I declined speedy. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 21:25, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

There are definitely issues with the article, including POV and RS, but spam it isn't. I endorse removal of speedy. — Becksguy (talk) 01:37, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Maman a tort

Hi,
The real name of the song is "Maman a tort", but it was also released in an English-language version. However, the French version is much known than the English version, thus I think the article should be named "Maman a tort", not "My Mum Is Wrong". I wanted to rename the article as "Maman a tort", but I didn't manage to do so.
Regards,
Europe22 (talk) 23:02, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi SatyrTN, I understand your reasoning on my talk page, but the English title is almost unknown by the vast majority of Wikipedia's readers. We generally associate the first single of Farmer with "Maman a tort", not with "My Mum Is Wrong". I let you move the title as you wish (it isn't a very important issue ^^), but if French wikipedians want to read "Maman a tort", I'm pretty sure they won't think to look for "My Mum Is Wrong", as the other articles about Farmer's songs appear on Wikipedia under their title in French-language. PS: Sorry, my English is not very good, it's not my native language. :) Sincerely, Europe22 (talk) 01:30, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi SatyrTN and thanks for your replay on my talk page ! Europe22 (talk) 17:52, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Bot help

Kirill has mentioned you may be able to help with a small job for Milhist. Basically, we would like the contents of Category:Unassessed military history articles listed regularly in WP:MHA#REQ, probably in a separate sub-section. Can you help? Or do you know someone that can? Thanks in advance, --ROGER DAVIES ^talk 11:35, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Roger! I don't mind doing that, but you might check with User:CydeBot. My reason for saying that is because CydeBot currently listifies Category:Candidates for speedy deletion every five minutes on his User:Cyde/List of candidates for speedy deletion/Subpage, so adding this function would be trivial. But if there's any issue at all, it's not a difficult function and I would be glad to do it. Let me know! :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 15:09, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks very much indeed! I'll get straight onto it. --ROGER DAVIES ^talk 15:32, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Cyde doubted that it was a worthwhile activity. Initially, I wondered about this too but having watched it since (and manually updated it) it probably is much easier handled by a bot. Any further thoughts would be welcome, --ROGER DAVIES ^talk 18:20, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Want it done every night? -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 18:23, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Great! That would be fine. Your help is very much appreciated. Easiest is just to replace the old list with a new one. Presumably that's what you had in mind? --ROGER DAVIES ^talk 18:47, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I'll just have the bot overwrite whatever is currently in there. Has MILHIST already discussed the bot doing this? -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 18:49, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes. It was raised in here on the coordinators' talk page, which is where Kirill suggested contacting you. I'll ask if there are any objections, if you like, but none have been raised so far. --ROGER DAVIES ^talk 19:00, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

No need - just wanted to make sure you weren't some sort of Rouge Editor :) I'll be glad to add that to the bot's maintenance tasks. Look for it in the morning! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 19:04, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks very much. I asked if anyone objects (before I saw your reply). Could you hang fire for twenty-four hours just in case (unlikely) there's an onbjection? I'm the new lead coordinator, by the way :) --ROGER DAVIES ^talk 19:26, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh no! A Rouge coordinator!!!!!

Um - I've already got the bot-generated list Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Unassessed. My thought was to transclude that into the list at WP:MHA#REQ. Let me know if you want me to do that or if you do it - either way. The bot *should* fire again tonight (I think at 5am UTC), so we'll check to see that it works and transclude or whatever if it does. Hope that works for you! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 19:30, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

More a pinko one, I suspect :)

I can set up a separate section [[WP:MHA#BOT for this if you like. That'd separate it from the manual ones. Is that easier, with a bit of header text? (I know nothing about bots so this is all new territory.) --ROGER DAVIES ^talk 19:43, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

(ec) I'll take a look at it tomorrow and see what I can do. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 22:49, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks very much. Sorry to be so wet behind the ears :) --ROGER DAVIES ^talk 00:15, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Are we still good to go? You asked for 24 hrs, so I thought I'd check... -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 16:09, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes! Thank you very much. --ROGER DAVIES ^talk 17:58, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Fine tuning

Thanks for sorting the bot. Can I trouble you to fine-tune it a bit please? Probably best if we put the articles from the category into a new separate section ("Backlog of articles for assessment"), to avoid over-writing any manually added editor requests. (They often ask for re-assessment from start to B-Class or whatever so the elegant solution you proposed may not always work.) I've put some suggested text for a header for the bot-generated list below:

==Backlog of articles for assessment==

This is a bot-generated list of articles from [[:Category:Unassessed military history articles]], courtesy of [[User:SatyrTN|SatyrTN]]. It is updated daily. After assessing please strikethrough the article name to avoid duplication.

I hope I have covered everything. Very many thanks, --ROGER DAVIES ^talk 20:41, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

See how that works for you. Feel free to change the wording as you will - the transcluded list is indicated with {{Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Unassessed}}. That list will get changed nightly, anything you add/edit around it won't be affected.

Hope that works! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 20:51, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

		The WikiChevrons
		For setting up our assessment bot, and for dealing with my stumbling questions, please accept the Military history WikiProject WikiChevrons. --ROGER DAVIES talk 20:55, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Awesome! Many thanks! I have a hat and purse that will go with that perfectly! =D -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 20:57, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Transgender and transsexual actors from the United States

Category:Transgender and transsexual actors from the United States, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. – Cgingold (talk) 11:41, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Re:Cogam

Define 'okay'. :P Well, it's a translation of the Spanish article that survived an AfD. Cogam's very relevant in Spain, but the article was almost deleted because they wrote it themselves, heh, in quite a flattering tone I might add. So it was rewritten and neutralised somewhat, enough to survive an AfD but clearly still needing more work. And it seems what we have here is a translation of that. You should know they contacted me when they thought the article was going to apparently be deleted here. XD And they were blocked due to their username. I have the article on my watchlist, just in case. If need be, I can work a bit more on it. I think they are pretty relevant, even on an international level, but I'd need to research that. They were a big part of the reason why SSM was legalised in Spain. Just tell me what you want, and I'll see what I can do. :P Raystorm (¿Sí?) 12:56, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

That'd be COGAM. I'm just lazy. XD Cheers Raystorm (¿Sí?) 03:20, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Masturbating satyr

Wanna explain this? Image:Masturbating satyr, amasis painter.JPG lmao - ✰ALLSTAR✰ ^echo 03:01, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Oooh, let me! You see, sometimes when a satyr loves his wang very, very much... Rachel Summers (talk) 03:22, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

lmao - ✰ALLSTAR✰ ^echo 03:35, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh - sure - like you've never done 6th century Greek porn! =D -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 03:47, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Good thing you're up for deletion as it looks like you're suffering from some sort of ailment in the penile region and I don't think you should be showing that off on Wikipedia. - Dr. ✰ALLSTAR✰ ^echo 03:53, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I already got my bling - I'm on a vase! Are you?!? =D -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 03:54, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

All you gotta do is look up in the sky at night. I'm everywhere! - ✰ALLSTAR✰ ^echo 03:59, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Ooo, did y'all read the description of the image? Apparently Satyr here has an incomplete or imperfect soul! <tsk, tsk, horrors!> Aleta ^Sing 04:11, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I think I'm offended! Or amused? Or tittilated... Hm =D -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 05:01, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

LMAO. How can the image be saved from deletion? This is way too good to lose. — Becksguy (talk) 05:09, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Picture connoiseurs please follow the link in my sig.... Blnguyen (vote in the photo straw poll) 08:27, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

You look 30 lbs. lighter in the second picture. Like sex, I hear it burns off calories if you do it enough. How do you think I lost 70 lbs. since high school? AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 18:58, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

WP:AUS tagging

Hi there Satyr, WP:AUS is now waiting for you at User:Moondyne/AU categories. The false positives and dupes have been removed and {{WP Australia}} is the relevant template. If the article is already tagged as a FA and GA, then please set "|class=FA" also. Thanks again, Blnguyen (vote in the photo straw poll) 08:27, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Blnguyen! I see that you, Moondyne, and Dihydrogen worked on the list - was there discussion with the project someplace? I was unable to find it. Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 13:44, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Australian_Wikipedians'_notice_board/Archive_28#Australia_related_article_growth is a bit. I could bring it up again if necessary. There is also some chat on Moondyne's current page so at least a fourth Australian agrees with it. Blnguyen (vote in the photo straw poll) 22:59, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

If you don't mind, post a quick note? Just to make sure no other bots are doing the same thing, and to give people one last chance to review the cats :) Many thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 00:57, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Looks good. Definitely no other bots, otherwise we wouldn't have been looking about so long....Blnguyen (vote in the photo straw poll) 03:22, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

I think we have a consensus now. Blnguyen (vote in the photo straw poll) 00:08, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Blnguyen! I did 100 categories last night, and I'm doing 500 tonight. I'm sorta easing into it because this is a *huge* job - 4,000 categories is a bit! In any case, do let me know if the project gets any notices, complaints, or otherwise due to the bot. Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 05:08, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Superman X (Kell-El)

I believe that "Reason for deleting" number 7 applies here. "If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name, it is unlikely to be useful. Implausible typos or misnomers are potential candidates for speedy deletion." "Superman X (Kell-El)" is a "novel or very obscure" way of writing that character's name and it is highly unlikely that anyone would type it like that if looking for the character. That is why I placed the speedy delete tag; it seemed a clearcut case to me. I will most likely nominate it for deletion. Rhindle The Red (talk) 03:14, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Powercorp (again)

looks like I was too slow with the Powercorp edits, and it's been deleted! I've been reading the articles WP:CORP and WP:COI, and afaict there is no explicit rule forbidding me to create/edit this page, but a lot of warning and caution obviously about conflict of interest. I think this summs it up from the COI nutshell: Do not edit Wikipedia to promote your own interests, or those of other individuals, companies, or groups, unless you are certain that the interests of Wikipedia remain paramount. I'm sure I can edit without promiting my own interests! I'm pretty sure I can also show notability. Should I just go ahead and "do it"?

Thanks for your input. Iaindb (talk) 05:20, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Joshua Plague

Hi SatyrTN. I've added a bunch of info from the deleted Mukilteo Fairies and Behead the Prophet pages, plus some references, and I've tried to clean up the writing a little. Let me know what you think. There are a lot redlinks pointing to Mukilteo_Fairies and Behead_the_Prophet,_No_Lord_Shall_Live which I'd like to fix, but I won't bother if you still think this needs to go to AfD. But hopefully you don't! Please let me know what you are thinking. THanks, Yilloslime (t) 05:34, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Sean Gallagher

No, I don't have that issue, but my flatmate might, so I'll check. — OwenBlacker (Talk) 21:53, 13 March 2008 (UTC) PS: Please reply on my Talk: page, or I'll not notice it ;o)

Sorry, not been able to find a copy here — neither my flatmate nor I have it and none of my mates has got back to us (we read AXM more often than Attitude these days). Feel free to remove the comments ro to label them with {{fact}}, I guess… — OwenBlacker (Talk) 08:07, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Exley

Hi. Please forgive me for temporarily editing this area, btu I could not find any other way to contact you. I noticed in a bulletin (found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_LGBT_studies/Archive_9 ) that you mentioned possible upcoming wiki projects on a number of people, one including Adrian Exley. Adrian was my Big Brother, and i also run The Adrian Exley Foundation, after setting it up in His name last year. If you wish to contact me to discuss further info etc if and when you decided to create a page on Adrian, I would be happy to hear from you and help/contribute in any way i can. my email is: bananacologne AT gmail DOT com regards, fang —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.195.236.133 (talk) 02:16, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Mhsb

I just posted on the Admin noticeboard regarding Mhsb. I noticed your recent discussion regarding this user and I just want your opinion on the subject. Thanks. --James Bond (talk) 14:31, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Wikipedia:Sandbox/mh1

Wikipedia:Sandbox/mh1, a page you created, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Sandbox/mh1 and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Wikipedia:Sandbox/mh1 during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Harland1 (^t/_c) 18:01, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Thoughts?

About this - I was told to ask your opinion. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 05:24, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

If he admits it, I'd say something like "Rhodes stated in his blog that blah blah." As ASE said, if he hasn't denied it, then he's said it. It's still a "primary source", which is frowned upon in general, but we rely on those for statements about sexuality all the time. My biggest issues with these situations (eg Sanchez) are a) the legality issue and b) the "do no harm" issue. But if the source has stated it, and hasn't recanted, then they have to deal with a, and they don't see any harm (b), so go for it. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 05:39, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Wine

OK - there's been no complaints, so I think you can make a regular thing of the Wine to-do list on Mondays and Thursdays - I'll do something pretty with the output when I've a moment. Could you do a trial run of the tag-adding bot, produce a list of the articles that would be tagged? The category list seems stable and wholly-owned, but it would be nice to eyeball the article list before it goes ahead and does anything major. Italy can wait another week or two, the assessment of what is already there has turned into a major sort out of 8000-odd town articles. :-(( FlagSteward (talk) 13:04, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi, FlagSteward! I've done a quick run with the bot to find articles that aren't currently tagged. The list the bot came up with is only 465 long, so that's not bad at all. I've put it at WP:Sandbox/Wine.

I'll set the bot to run the to-do lists on Mondays and Thursdays.

Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 21:31, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

That's great, thanks. Although it does look like we're a way away from letting the add-to-Project bot loose on that list, there's a lot of articles put in the wrong categories there. I suspect that we'll have to junk the wine regions cats as they don't get used reliably in the real world - and we need to go through a lot of the other articles to sort the wheat from the chaff. So I think it will be a couple of weeks before we're ready to go live with adding to the Wine Project by bot. But it's really nice to see some of the articles that are coming up, some of the winemaking ones in particular. :-)

I'm thinking ahead to the Italy job, but assuming that you have ready access to the data, would it be possible to group articles in this kind of list according to the categories they're matching? What would be really nice would be to have it in the same hierarchy as the cats themselves (for eg the Italy geographical cats), but I recognise unnecessary work when I see it, just a straight list would be nice. Cheers. FlagSteward (talk) 18:05, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Proposed deletion for article

Hi, concerning the article List of Diversity Organizations in Utah, is it the topic that is not good or the fact of the many external links? In this last case, it can be fixed by eliminating the "linkfarm" and put the links in the "notes" section. Please let me know.

Concerning the topic itself: I think that there are already similar lists in wikipedia:

• List of disability organisations in Singapore
• List of ethnic interest groups in Canada
• List of youth organisations in Singapore

And more. I think that it would be fair to propose for delition also the similar ones, unless it is a problem of the links to external sources. Adrian Comollo (talk) 15:26, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Adrian! In my opinion, the Utah list and the two Singapore lists fail WP:LINKFARM entirely. I don't think putting the links in the "notes" section would work because then we'd have an article with three lines and a WP:LINKFARM.

The reason the Canada list above seems different is because each item on it has it's own Wikipedia entry. If the Utah list were changed to that model, I'd be all for it. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 17:46, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

LGBT Categories

Hey. You posted on my talkpage a couple weeks ago. I replied at the time but you obviously haven't seen it. Take a look and let me know your thoughts... -- Lincolnite (talk) 18:15, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Gay Pride series?

Hi, there is an (old?) tag on Talk:Stonewall riots which I think should simply be removed but I wanted to check and see if I'm missing something. Hope you're well! Benjiboi 00:49, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

I bet that should go. Does that predate the LGBTProject? Aleta ^Sing 00:59, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that's an old old tag. Must be over 2 years old by now =D I've deleted them where I found them - feel free to do the same :) I'm doing well - trying to debate lesbianism with another editor over a woman I've never heard of - Katharine Lee Bates. But I'm learning oh so much! =D

Lol! Little known but everything cool was done by butch dykes long before gay men ever fabbed them up. Not sure if there's a source for it though. Benjiboi 02:21, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Lories and lorikeets

I think there was a consensus in favour of moving it away from Lorries and lorikeets (for naming convention reasons) and a mild preference for Loriinae. But that may just me. Sabine's Sunbird talk 04:53, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

I honestly couldn't tell. You and Snowman seemed to come to agreement, and much later MeegsC chimed in. But since it generated such a discussion between you two, and (as you said) it would be best to have a consensus of more than two, I felt it likewise best if you had a consensus of more than three. Reopen the discussion? Get input from a few more people, maybe from WP:BIRDS? -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 04:58, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

regarding this change

When you tag something for an image copyvio, you are supposed to list the image on the day's page as stated in the template. --Rockfang (talk) 19:37, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Read the tag? Follow instructions? Doh!!!!! Totally my bad - sorry about that :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 19:50, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Wait - I did - Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2008 January 31/Images. See - I can follow instructions :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 19:54, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

My apologies.--Rockfang (talk) 19:57, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Is there a backlog back to the end of January? NP, BTW - just glad I actually did follow directions :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 19:59, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Administrators' noticeboard

Hi, Please, I kindly ask you not to open an incident in the notice board to raise disputes over content, or reports of abusive behaviour. As a courtesy, please inform other users and editors if they are mentioned in a posting, or if their actions are being discussed. Cheers,

--Mhsb (talk) 01:35, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

WP:AIN is where reports of abusive behavior belongs. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 01:39, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Mhsb is somewhat correct in this case. I mentioned at ANI that I believed something fishy was happening. And I did not leave a message with them. My bad. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 01:44, 17 March 2008 (UTC)\

I know, I was just stating that AIN is indeed the place for users to report abusive behavior. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 01:46, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry AgnosticPreachersKid, but not this kind of user behavior. The WP:AIN is supposed to report on abnormal user behavior such as evasion of blocks, abuse of admin tools, persistent vandalism, persistent spamming. Again, these pages are not the place to raise disputes over content, or reports of abusive behavior. Please take such disputes to requests for comment, requests for mediation, or requests for arbitration rather than in the WP:AIN. And please, be communicative, You just left a message to SatyrTN. Please, SatyrTN, I ask you to delete this entry in the WP:AIN. Cheers.

--Mhsb (talk) 02:39, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Since this user thinks the same message should be posted in multiple places, here's my response. P.S. I'm very communicative, see? AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 03:39, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Mhsb, my report to ANI was correct. If you read the top of the page, it says "This page is for reporting and discussing incidents on the English Wikipedia that require the intervention of administrators. Any user of Wikipedia may post here." What I reported was an incident I felt might need the intervention of administrators and that needed to be discussed. What I apologize for is for not leaving a note on your talk page. That incident was a week ago, and you've had others appear on the noticeboard since then, so why don't we leave that in the past? Thanks, -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 05:03, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi User:SatyrTN, it's absolutely fine for me to live it in the past but the problem is that other users are using this entry to evaluate my behavior such as this one and this one where an admin user declined access to WP:AWB on the basis I had an entry in the WP:ANI, which totaly non sense to me, since I didn't have the chance to present my defense and to edit an archived discussion where my actions were cited. If you go back to the first incident you created, you'll see that from my history, two things originated that incident: (1) trying to move an article page and my user page, you will see that for these two moves, I updated them in a very short period of time, meaning that I did a mistake and I was trying to fix once I realised what I was doing. Unfortunately, I didn't have the chance to present my defense in this case. Regarding the User:Opinoso, I really had some edit dispute with him, I will not raise here who is right or wrong in this matter because this is highly debatable, but in any case, the WP:ANI was not the right place to discuss a disagreement between two users. Now another user, User:Smoth_007, who didn't know what was going on, saw my name in the WP:ANI and rapidly realised that I was a bad guy and disrupting Wikipedia. Guess what? he opened an incident in WP:ANI and called the user User:Opinoso to discuss against me. At first I though that this was some kind of plot against me, but then the user User:Smoth_007 said he was unaware what was going on. Please, I kindly ask you to intervene. Thanks.

--Mhsb (talk) 06:12, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Mhsb! I can tell that this is frustrating for you and must seem bizarre. And I don't know that I can do much here. I'm not going to delete my post from ANI - partly because that's not done (that I know of), and partly because my post there was proper. And I can't grant you AWB because I don't know anything about it, and because two other admins have declined it for two different reasons, only one of which had anything to do with me.

What are you looking for? Can you edit the articles you're interested in? Do you have any questions about how to do that? I'm willing to help you out to the best of my ability. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 06:28, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Intereffectuality

The article Intereffectuality, which I nominated for AfD and you deleted, went quicker than I was expecting, and there is something about it I would like to check. Could I ask you to undelete it, with its history, into my user space? I will check what I want, and then blank the pages and tag them {{db-u1}} to get rid of them. Thanks. JohnCD (talk) 14:12, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

• Thanks - is there any way to get back the page history? That was what I was really interested in. JohnCD (talk) 14:36, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

• Thanks again. JohnCD (talk) 14:46, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
• I've finished with them now. What I had planned to do was blank them and tag them {{db-u1}} to get rid of them; but I see what you did was a "move" so I guess that would mean they were gone for ever. Should I instead ask you to move them back into their gone-but-not-forgotten deleted state? Regards, JohnCD (talk) 14:53, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

• Well, the originator denied to TenPoundHammer that it was a hoax, so I suppose he just might ask for DRV. Perhaps best to move it back, if that's not a problem. JohnCD (talk) 15:12, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

I've moved it back and re-deleted it. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 15:18, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

• Thanks yet again. Sorry to have given you so much trouble. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 16:37, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

NP :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 20:37, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for giving me the article for my records. all the best.--Chakira (talk) 02:31, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

NP -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 02:36, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Image:LAplateSonsOfConfederate.jpg

I'm requesting that you undelete this image because it was used in two articles Sons of Confederate Veterans and Vehicle registration plate‎ as recently was yesterday. It appears to have been removed from those articles and then deleted as orphaned. If there is some dispute on the copyright and or licensing status of the photo, I'd like an opportunity to fix that. Sf46 (talk) 15:04, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. Sf46 (talk) 16:23, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

NP :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 20:37, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Noel Pemberton Billing

I am perplexed by your assertion that there is no reference to Billing's homophobia in the article. Have you read the article? Of course it is mentioned. Homophobia is one of the two things he is now best known for. He's known essentially for his activities as an aviator/promotor of air power and for his activity as an anti-homosexual activist. There has been a great deal written about this, notably Philip Hoare's book Oscar Wilde's Last Stand [1] and Michael Kettle's Salome's Last Veil: The Libel Case of the Century (1977). The case is also well known for the fact that Lord Alfred Douglas appeared in Billing's favour and that it is supposed to have hastened the death of Robert Ross. This is discussed in biographies of Douglas and Ross. All in all Billing is very well known as a major figure in promoting early 20th century homophobia. Paul B (talk) 15:56, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Replied on the article's talk page. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 20:51, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

I really cannot understand your argument. The other categories included here are, for example, "Royal Navy personnel of World War I | English businesspeople | English aviators | Members of the United Kingdom Parliament for English constituencies". How much of the article is devoted to his activity as a member of the Royal Navy in WW1? How much is devoted to his aviation? How much to his business activity? In most cases it is about the same or less than the space devoted to his anti-homosexual campaigning. Should we delete all these categories because "it's not all he was known for"? In any case, the literal amount of space devoted to a subject in this article now should not determine whether a category is included, given that several whole books have been written on the subject. Length is this case depends on how much particular contributors want to devote to a topic. Categories are supposed to be there to help people to find relevant information. If you cut down the category to only a tiny number of very very obvious members, I would suggest that you undermine the whole point of a category. Incidentally, the concept of homophobia applies to Billing perhaps even more than to Phelps and Bryant, since they are simply extending to an extreme extent traditional Christian arguments. Billing is specifically promoting a paranoid fear of homosexuality as something a "associated with a fear of contagion", as in the original definition of the word. Paul B (talk) 09:34, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

A user has asked me for a bit of help

Hi! A new user, ChaosBaby, just did a new article on a San Francisco-based belly dance company which began as a clear-cut copyvio. I stepped in and helped her clean it up. She's asked via my talk page if you'd consider undeleting her original contribution at Carolena Nericcio. I got about 7000 Google hits, most of which seem to be relative to the subject. Seems she's a heavy hitter in the belly dancing field. I can help her bring it up to snuff if you feel it's OK to restore the article. Thanks for the consideration! --PMDrive1061 (talk) 16:13, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

• Perfect solution. That's a great way to give her some time to flesh it out "offline" and then move it over when it's ready. Bravo! --PMDrive1061 (talk) 22:07, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 22:54, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Admin help

Hello. This is in regards to a request placed by Chakira (talk · contribs) on my talk page regarding the page Intereffectuality. This user has asked that the page be userfied. I politely informed the user that since I'm not an admin, I can't undelete/userfy the page -- but since you're the one who deleted it, I figured that I could ask you to do it for me. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 02:05, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

• Okay, thanks. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 02:15, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Question

Hi, I am the author of an article about an Firefox extension I have wrote. I have seen that there are plenty of description of Firefox extension, so I decided to add mine. Why did you deleted my article and other articles about Firefox extensions are not deleted as well.

Replied on user's talk page. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 14:56, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Favor

Please semi-protect indefinitely my userpage and my user talk page. All the anti-vandal wacking I do, there's no sense in them coming over to my crib doing the same thing. Thanks muchos! - ✰ALLSTAR✰ ^echo 06:26, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't think I can? User pages can be semi-protected, even indefinitely, but I think user-talk pages can't be - at least, that's how I read WP:Protect. Besides, you've only had about a dozen IP edits on your talk page in the last month. But let me know if you want me to semi-protect your user page. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 15:14, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

FYI, when MS was posting abusive material as an IP editor on talk pages (mine and others), John Vandenberg indicated he'd be willing to semi-protect talk pages to prevent the continued abuse. I am not suggesting that the situations are similar, but indicating that semi-protection of user talk pages is something some admins will consider in some circumstances.  :) Jay*Jay (talk) 15:21, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

That's true. And I recommend WP:RFPP if you feel that's necessary. =D -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 15:23, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

OK, I saw where someone requested Rjd0060 (?) to do theirs and he did it. Thanks. I'll RfPP. - ✰ALLSTAR✰ ^echo 16:15, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

SatyrBot

Just FYI: Wikipedia:Australian_Wikipedians'_notice_board#SatyrBot.2C_again. I looked at the bot's contribs and didn't see the template issue anywhere else, so it's hopefully a standalone... dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 08:04, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Bot Errors

Crossposting from the bot's talkpage SatyrTN. Your bot has been tagging article space with the WP Australia talkpage tag. I've rolled the edits back and you need to check the coding soonish - Peripitus (Talk) 09:35, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Monir Amerkhous

You have deleted a page which describes the life of this official recordman in rubik's cube (with an official link to prove it) for notability problem, and i think it's more weird that you have no problem to accept articles about some unknown porn stars (i never saw their performance and few did i guess). This man worked hard (i don't mean that the actress doesn't) and he is now sad to be treated like that, very sad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Damdamprout (talk • contribs) 13:39, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

As I mentioned on your talk page, the page hasn't been deleted. It's been "Userfied", which means it is in your userspace User:Damdamprout/Monir Amerkhous and you are free to edit it all you want. When you feel it's ready to go, you can move it back to article space. And let me know if you have any questions. Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 15:38, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

I'll improve the article, add a photo of the event, correct the mistakes and re publish the article. Thank you very much. ====

Why was the article on Contract Freighters Inc (CFI) deleted?

I put in the company history from our website. I included our ISO documentaion information and our aquisition by Con-way. Why was the page deleted?

Instead of just chopping out a page, why not state what needs to be changed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mqldr (talk • contribs) 16:57, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Replied on user's talk page. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 18:12, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

KARE

Have a look see? Seems quite POV and there are concerns of COI and that the station's competition, WCCO-TV, is pushing the agenda. The article is about KARE so all that WCCO mess doesn't belong, per POV and I think also UNDUE. Thoughts? - ✰ALLSTAR✰ ^echo 18:43, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Hunh. No clue. There's a ton in there that seems out of place. And there seems to be almost no references. Gah. =D -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 22:25, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

AfD for GSBA

On Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Greater Seattle Business Association, it appears that someone inserted a "Keep" next to your name, where I had read that line as a comment. Can you review and confirm how that line should be tagged? --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 19:21, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks - I've removed the "keep" since, as Nom, I'd rather delete it. :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 21:04, 18 March 2008 (UTC)