Talk:Seventh generation of video game consoles

Sales

Could someone look at the references for the world sales for xbox and Ps3? Looks as they are mixed up. And as well as for the statement that the xbox has sold over 39 mll consoles, because in the article it says "There are now over 39 million Xbox 360 consoles around the world, and more than 500 million games have been sold." To me it sounds as if they have made 39 million consoles, but they have not sold as much. Is this a reliable source of information? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.200.88.232 (talk) 16:09, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Xbox 360 I/O

Please provide a reference to the Xbox 360's "2.4 GHz ISM band radio." If by "2.4 GHz ISM band radio" it was meant IEEE 802.11/a/b/g we should make clear this is only available as an optional upgrade. However, if "bluetooth" were meant we might indicate so with less jargon (i.e. simply replace "2.4 GHz ISM band radio" with "bluetooth" and a relative link.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.52.65.221 (talk) 12:31, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Its neither actually. It is the radio frequency it uses for accessories. It doesn't use Bluetooth and Wi-Fi is an option and already mentioned as so. chocobogamer mine 12:54, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Milestone titles

Exactly what is the criteria for this in the article?, there are numerous games not listed that have sold more than the ones listed. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.157.55.100 (talk) 01:08, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

• Agreed, what is it? Stabby Joe (talk) 19:58, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Metal Gear Solid 4? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.121.129.97 (talk) 13:43, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

And about that, how is it a milestone title? Its had the same reception as previous games before, sold a certain number but nothing really significant for the industry, unless someone can give me reasons, unlike some others who could just be fanboys. Stabby Joe (talk) 09:31, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Well I mean it got a 10 from IGN and they hardly ever do that, the only other time the same year they did that was GTA4. And selling 6 million being just a Ps3 exclusive is really successful if you ask me, considering exclusive Ps3 games don't sell well at all. 69.121.129.97 (talk) 14:20, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Can I just ask why people removed MGS4? It is very much the most successful PS3 exclusive and is critically acclaimed. ✰Ffgamera✰ - My page! | Talk to me! | Contribs 13:06, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

This question really does need to be revisited. There are several games in the list which qualify as "very popular" or "extremely highly reviewed", but I'm not certain that either of these qualifications, both alone or together, really make for a milestone title in the absence of other considerations. I love Super Mario Galaxy, but I don't see why it's considered a milestone title. Likewise, I fail to see how games like BioShock, Gears of War, GTA4, LBP, and especially Arkham Asylum and Uncharted 2 -- which both just came out -- register as milestones, regardless of how amazing the games are.

In my personal opinion, Milestones should be titles which either dramatically break the wall of current sales paradigms (not just "break opening week sales records a little bit") -- like those games on the DS which kept selling for half a decade -- or have a strong hand in (while also being very popular) changing how games are viewed or played or made, especially games that become the prototype for games made by the competition.

GTA3 introduced to the masses at large a new style of game playing and led to the creation of many workalike titles. GTA4 just sold a lot. Super Mario 64 started a gigantic revolution that pretty much killed the development of great side scrolling platformers for nearly a decade. Super Mario Galaxy was just a really great game. Halo led to the gigantic glut of first person shooters that pervade the market today. Halo 3 pretty much (regardless of its quality or popularity) is another Halo, just one more of the shooters in the market, and not even the most popular game in its genre on its own platform.

Keeping in mind the idea that a milestone title needs to be symbolic of an important change in the industry's direction, or has to break some sort of significant record, here are a few changes which I would recommend to be made to the list:

• adding Call of Duty IV as possibly the strongest existing example of a "long-tail" multiplatform game. In many countries, it is still occasionally appearing in sales charts, nearly two years after being released. There have been instances where its also very popular sequel (World at War) had left the charts while it had continued to sell. Prior to this, the only games that keep selling forever have either been single platform (read: Nintendo, mostly) or very simple games targeted towards far more casual players (such as Tetris, Bust-A-Move, Freecell).
• moving Wii Fit onto its own line. Highest selling non-bundled game of all time should not be hidden in another game's paragraph, especially given the countless "me-too" exercise games which have followed in its wake.
• adding Wii Play and possibly Mario Kart Wii as highly successful (the former being likely the second highest selling not-bundled-with-system game of all time, the latter likely in the top five of the same list by now, a point which -- as with last paragraph's Wii Fit -- should be clarified in Nintendo's quarterly briefing around the end of this month) examples of shipping games with peripherals, a technique which has since become much more common: At least three games have been shipped with Wii Motion Plus, one of which has been given an additional SKU containing *two* such devices, at least two games with the Wii Zapper, two titles with the Wii Balance Board, one game with the Wii Nunchuk, one game with the Classic Controller Pro in Japan, and one additional game with the Wii Wheel, in addition to a few games which have received similar treatment with third party peripherals (EA Sports Active, two Nerf N-Strike games, a few racing games, and a hunting game or two)
• removing games whose criteria for inclusion have been "are popular" or "have really high averaged critic ratings" or probably also "broke records during some specific time frame" (it doesn't really matter, for instance, that Super Mario Galaxy sold more in its first week than New Super Mario Bros when the latter sold two and a half times as much overall -- that isn't a Milestone quality, it just means the game was far more front loaded). These games would include Batman: Arkham Asylum, Bioshock, Gears of War, Grand Theft Auto IV, Halo 3, LittleBigPlanet, Super Mario Galaxy, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, and Uncharted 2. They should be removed, imho, until they can be more strictly defined by criteria identifying how the title uniquely impacted the industry.

I did not wish to make any such changes on my own, as my suggestions would nuke nearly the whole list. My intent here is to help drive discussion to build a very precise description of what would qualify as a milestone title. However, I may remove the games that came out within the last few months, as their inclusion seems based on rationales that are dubious at best.

-Jcholewa (talk) 16:23, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

I agree that this section probably needs looking at, but disagree with some of your points. As an example, LittleBigPlanet is not just a "very popular" or "extremely highly reviewed" game but was the second most highly-rated game of that year and sixth of the entire console generation to date. It was also noted as groudbreaking in it's strong focus on user generated content, to an extent not seen in console gaming before. I think all of the games currently listed in that section, while not necessarily "milestone" per se, are worthy of a mention in the article as they are significant within this console generation. Maybe in addition to the Milestone titles section, we could have a Critically acclaimed section. For those who are interested, according to Metacritic (I know some would suggest, not the best source), the top ones are:

• 1. Grand Theft Auto IV
• =2. Super Mario Galaxy
• =2. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves
• =4. BioShock
• =4. Orange Box
• =6. Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
• =6. LittleBigPlanet
• =8. Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
• =8. Gears of War

I didn't bother with 10th because there are loads at joint 10th! Chimpanzee - User | Talk | Contribs 17:12, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

I feel we should re-add Wii Fit to its own section on the Milestone Titles list. Simply due to the sheer amount of units moved (18.22 million as of March '09)--LostOverThere (talk) 13:54, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

A milestone title should be one that is seen as taking something and making it even better, not just a game that sells or is rated highly. The likes of Wii Sports, Wii Fit, LittleBigPlanet, even Zelda TP/RE:WE/PlayControl series (taking a game that you can play traditionally and adding a more in-depth/real control system), Rock Band (taking the guitar game and expanding it to the full band) and PGR4 (adding extreme visual elements and motorbikes), this way GTAIV would not be included, which, IMO would be fair as its less of a milestone game than GTA SA.

Maybe the sections should be split to have milestones and critical/commerical successes? chocobogamer mine 13:04, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

 Hi, I am quite frankly for the first time adding my comments on one of wikipedia's editing sections. I am doing so because I feel that as a gamer (as I am sure you all are) and contribute and perhaps help to define what is a "milestone title."
 I agree that some of the titles currently there aren't "milestones" per se. Halo 3, GTA 4, Modern Warfare 2, Brawl, Arkham and Super Mario Galaxy are the ones that I don't think should be there. None of this titles changed the way the industry works. While they broke records and got high reviews they didn't bring anything new to the table. Call of Duty 4 could be included (emphasizing the revolution in thinking with the custom classes and prestiging). Gears of War should stay on the list but not because it beat Halo 2 in Xbox Live matches but because it brought strategic cover shooters to the mainstream. Bioshock also had a very entrancing story (but then again so did Half-Life, aka not revolutionary) but the artistic direction and the importance of choice should earn it a spot here. The section on Wii sports should include a reference to going back to bundling consoles with games on release day at no extra cost (something which I had only seen once before in my life). Wii fit should also get its own spot for reasons that I think were mentioned above by someone else. Lastly, I want to comment on Uncharted 2, but not having played the game ever I don't think I am entitled to say much about it. However as mentioned above if the only thing keeping it there are sales records and reviews it does not belong.
 I was just thinking now that we could use other "milestone" games from previous generations to judge what is a milestone. For example Killer 7 had a very different artistic style and gameplay, which I think should be labeled as a milestone. While Tales of Symphonia although an amazing game did not do much to break the mold of JRPG's
 Thank you for reading  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.150.23.40 (talk) 04:41, 25 February 2010 (UTC) 

I just completely messed up that paragraph, sorry guys —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.150.23.40 (talk) 04:45, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Should Zeebo be included?

I do not believe that Zeebo fits the criteria for inclusion in this article. One user has made all of the changes regarding this product and that user has only edited this specific article. It has only been "released" but is not actually selling. Also, it is not been released by a major manufacturer as is the case with all other systems in the article. The release date is also significantly out of step with the rest of the systems listed, possibly making itself its own separate generation or the start of the 8th generation.

One user has made all of the changes regarding this product and that user has only edited this specific article. All the edits sound like marketing speak and I suspect that that the edits are simply corporate. Merlinicorpus (talk) 18:05, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

The Zeebo is listed further down in the article with the Pandora. I don't think it really has any place up near the top in the table including the PS3, 360, or Wii. --96.243.180.70 (talk) 22:10, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

HEY! Zeebo IS actually selling in Brazil and it will be released in other countries soon! You can't just say it's not worth including it cause it was not released in your country or in your favourite store! Come on! Think about people around you, millions are buying this console... it's not "simply corporate", I think there's a lack. So why don't you disagree with the user who made the "Zeebo" page including it in the 7th generation era? I'm not the first to say that, in fact it was thought by another person. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.91.105.136 (talk) 21:31, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Zeebo is not aimed at the same market as the other consoles, therefore shold not be included. 24.187.148.32 (talk) 21:08, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Zeebo should be included, it's a 7th generation console. If not included here, then where would be the correct location? Shouldn't be at the top alongside xbox 360/ps3/wii as it's currently a niche product, with far less sales. If it becomes mainstream and sells similarly high numbers, the it deserves to be at the top of the article. --Oscarthecat (talk) 21:11, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

As the article is currently structured, the only real place for mentioning Zeebo is in the "Other systems" section, where it is currently listed. I removed the Zeebo material from the other sections for the reason the IP editor mentioned. The Zeebo article itself indicates that it is aimed at emerging markets. While I wouldn't necessarily equate that with being a niche product, it makes the Zeebo a poor fit with the existing tables, particularly the "Sales standings" table. Depending on how it fares, it can always be re-added in a "Home consoles" subheading. Dancter (talk) 22:04, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

I belive its unfair to place the Zeebo next to other video game consoles that are mostly vapor. I can go to a big retail store and buy it, plug it and play games from famous brands such as EA. Its not vapor. You might argue you cant buy it in US - but on the other hand you cant buy officially a PS3 or a Wii in here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.25.112.95 (talk) 17:19, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Where is Zeebo???

The article about "Zeebo" says it's part of the 7th generation of videogaming consoles, but when I try to include this new console in the 7th generation era consoles page, someone immediatly excludes all my work! I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.91.105.136 (talk) 21:11, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

See earlier section of talk page. --Oscarthecat (talk) 21:12, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Why the name 'next gen'?

Why is the Ps3, x360 and Wii generation called "the next generation"? Did people call Ps2, xbox and Gamecube "the next generation" back in the days? What wil the next generation (8th generation) be called? The next next generation? 83.108.193.157 (talk) 17:49, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, yes, and yes. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 17:57, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Now that made sense. 83.108.193.157 (talk) 12:50, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

So it's like postmodernism? OrangeAipom (talk) 04:41, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

The iPod Touch should be added in the Handleds section.

Today 9/9/9 Steve Jobs spoke to David Pouge from the NYT in a interview after the Apple's Rock'n Roll event and they said the following

What happened was, what customers told us was, they started to see it as a game machine. Because a lot of the games were free on the store. Customers started to tell us, “You don’t know what you’ve got here — it’s a great game machine, with the multitouch screen, the accelerometer, and so on.”

We started to market it that way, and it just took off.

So, Big Steve said that it IS a gaming console, so, Anyone willing to add it?

Here's the source By the way: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/09/in-qa-steve-jobs-snipes-at-amazon-and-praises-ice-cream/?src=twt&twt=nytimesbits --Samuelgames (talk) 01:47, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree. The iPod touch should be addedd Aizuku (talk) 16:13, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't, the iPod is not even upto PSP standards, let alone PS3/360.

That's a personal opinion. The PSP isn't up to DS standards yet it is listed, I don't see why the iPod touch shouldn't be? --Aizuku (talk) 06:22, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Okay it's done, Improve it you guys want it or whatever.--Samuelgames (talk) 14:49, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

The 2nd generation (Sep 2008) iPod touch was priced starting from $229 [1] so I fixed it. --Aizuku (talk) 16:07, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Without something significant to indicate it is actually used as a dedicated gaming platform in a way that a bunch of cell phones aren't already used I do not think it should be included. I certainly don't think the iPhone belongs as its first function is as a cellphone, than an iPod, and maybe then a game machine.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 16:43, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

I think that the Nokia N97 should be added as well to the portable gaming section since it is a gaming device too. I can dig up some quotes and articles if you like, if their is room for the iPhone/iPod then we can put in the n97 as well.86.169.98.251 (talk) 23:51, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

I should add this, I think the Nexus One deserves to be added too since it is a peer competitor to the iPhone/iPod as is the N97. They both possess game capabilities which the CEO's of both companies are keen to promote as is Jobs. Since that is a factor then I think its relevent to the article that both the N97 and Nexus One be included, i'll augment the article later.86.169.98.251 (talk) 23:55, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Agreed that any phone running Android should be listed here if the iPhone & iPod touch are. I no longer have my G1, but there was a (free) game on there that rivaled Brain Age, IMO. It's been well over a year since I've had my Andriod phone, so I haven't really paid attention to the market. But I'm sure it's gotten a lot better than it was when Android was first released. Quietpopcorn (talk) 08:10, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Should the Wii be listed?

Seems as the next Wii console will bring it upto the current PS3/360 spec. Link — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.75.83.25 (talk • contribs)

By analogy, I shouldn't be considered part of the same generation as some of my friends, who have better jobs and bigger houses than I do.

In reality, "generation" is a time frame, not a measure of capability. The Wii came out *more recently* than any of the other major current-generation consoles, so if you're arguing that it is not part of the seventh generation, you can only logically be arguing that it is the first console of the eighth generation. -Jcholewa (talk) 16:30, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Of course the Wii should be listed, its made by Nintendo to be a rival to the PS3 and 360, and its outselling by some stretch. Also that link is still hearsay not confirmed. And, agreeing with Jcholewa, if the Wii HD is not part of this generation then its part of the 8th gen as the standard Wii is certainly 7th gen. chocobogamer mine 16:51, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

iPlayer

Not sure if this needs discussion but at least one editor disagrees with be that the BBC iPlayer is a feature of the Wii and PS3. Each system has a specifically designed interface to the service and an item in their respective menus to access it. I don't think the fact that it's written in Flash/HTML/JavaScript makes it any less of a feature of the systems. Chimpanzee - User | Talk | Contribs 07:58, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Any confirmed information about eight generation consoles and handhelds?

As the title says.--80.218.194.133 (talk) 03:36, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

This page does not cover that particular topic. You want to visit History of video game consoles (eighth generation), though it has no content and is currently deleted/protected because until recently there has been very little information made publicly available on the next generation of consoles. As it is, right now there are pretty much only (A) rumour articles covering which graphics vendor have been married to which console vendor, and (B) statements from Nintendo that their next console will be in HD but that this will not be the system's inherent driving point. -Jcholewa (talk) 15:29, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

360 bias

Seems the PS3 section isn't talking about the system so much as lauding the 360's victories over the console. Notice how Bioshock is conveniently left out? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.163.134.191 (talk) 00:08, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Metal Gear Solid 4 sales

I just noticed that sales of MGS4 were upped from 4.5 million to 5 million without citation. Looking back, it doesn't seem like the 4.5 million was cited, either. I can't find a reference online that cites either amount. There is an article entitled "PS3 Game Metal Gear Solid 4 Reaches 4.5 Million Sales", but the actual quoted claim in the article is "The Metal Gear series is exhibiting its strength as a brand, steadily increasing the number sold year-to-date to more than 4.5 million units", stating that the series as a whole sold 4.5 million during that fiscal year, which includes not only MGS4 but other titles released during or near to this time frame, including Metal Gear for mobile phones (North America) , Metal Gear Solid Mobile, Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops Plus (Europe) and Metal Gear Solid: The Essential Collection. The only specific claim I've found is an this kotaku article (with no source) claiming that sales of MGS4 have reached 4.33 million.

Does anybody know of a more specific and preferably sourced claim on MSG4's sales? I'm hunting through Konami's investor relations site for press releases, but if nothing can be found, I'm proposing that the number be pulled down to 4.33 million (and even that is tenuous, given the source), using the Kotaku article as a reference. -Jcholewa (talk) 15:43, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

This has been discussed extensively in the past. No, there isn't a source stating MGS4's sales. I'll remove it. Chimpanzee - User | Talk | Contribs 17:01, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Best Selling PS3 Game

For Best Selling Game PS3 has Assassins creed but u have to have a system exclusive because they dont record which system got wat percentage of sales and assassins creed actually got moree than half of its sales from 360 so if u cut it in half it has less than the ps3 exclusives so it needs taken off sure the game did sell that many but not on ps3 it needs taken out —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.131.96.98 (talk) 19:44, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Well spotted. Fixed now. Chimpanzee - User | Talk | Contribs 19:54, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Good Job! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.131.96.98 (talk) 03:01, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

PS3 no longer has linux support?

The most recent shipments of PS3 (the PS3 slim) coincided with Sony's announcement that they would no longer support Linux on that console. So the comparison table needs to be updated, at least. rhyre (talk) 23:33, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

correct. added to table. feel free to edit yourself though.. we don't bite lol :) chocobogamer mine 23:49, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

250 GB xbox360 limited edition Modern Warfare 2 console?

Under hard drive space shouldn't it list this? After all it's the only Xbox360 limeted edition console with extra memory --Ruyl3 (talk) 04:37, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

The iPod Touch Should Be In the Other Systems Section

The determination that a device is a game console is that the primary function of the device is to play video games; the primary function of an iPod is to play music. The definition of a video game console on the Game console wiki page supports this:

A video game console is an interactive entertainment computer or modified computer system that produces a video display signal which can be used with a display device (a television, monitor, etc.) to display a video game. The term "video game console" is used to distinguish a machine designed for consumers to buy and use solely for playing video games from a personal computer, which has many other functions, or arcade machines, which are designed for businesses that buy them and then charge others to play. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.116.131.144 (talk) 23:04, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

The line has blurred significantly. You've got game consoles now doing almost everything from playing music, to streaming video and browsing the web. Apple is marketing the iPod touch as a gaming device, and they made that obvious in many occasions. If you visit Apple - iPod touch you'll see what is the iPod touch's prime goal. --Aizuku (talk) 12:09, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Zune

I think that the zune HD should be listed as a handheld console instead of the iPod. The zune has real video games on it, whereas the iPod only has simple, arcade like games. Mr. Anon515 04:11, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Try again! iPod touch has: Pac-Man, Grand Theft Auto, Ridge Racer, Need For Speed, Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, Silent Hill, [etc]. I could go one forever listing them. Not only that but the iPod touch is available worldwide and is supported by 3rd party developers like EA, Activision, Namco Bandai, Square Enix and Capcom. --Aizuku (talk) 12:14, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

The Zune can also play real games. Mr. Anon515 03:32, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Can you list them? If Zune HD is not on gamefaqs.com it doesn't qualify. -Aizuku (talk) 06:58, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Word Choice

from sales standings: The PlayStation 3 20 GB was discontinued in North America in April, 2007[146] and effectively discontinued in Japan in early 2008.[147]

what is the intended use of "effectively" is it 1. actually but not officially or explicitly or 2. in such a manner as to achieve a desired result

maybe the wording should be changed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.151.54.204 (talk) 23:02, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

iPad and iPhone

Including the iPod touch makes a lot of sense as Apple clearly markets it as gaming handheld and a competitor to the PSP and DS. The iPhone maybe, though Apple doesn't market it as a gaming handheld, but the iPad? --Aizuku (talk) 06:49, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Messed up sales figures :s

The cite note #140 is referring to the Xbox 360. It is also worth to mention that in the article, it sez there are 39 million of them and not 40 million. Cite note #134 is referring the the Playstation 3 and sez that they have sold 33.5 million. Weird stuff going on there.--90.192.107.40 (talk) 08:00, 21 March 2010 (UTC)Mr Man 08:00:14 GMT, Sunday March 21st 2010

Is Final Fantasy XIII a Milestone Title?

Just wondering. Since the game was constantly delayed and sold wildly in Japan (similar to how well Modern Warfare 2 sold) does Final Fantasy XIII count as a milestone title? If not, please explain why.

Thank You —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.230.188.172 (talk) 23:27, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes. --Aizuku (talk) 18:32, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

No. There was nothing special about its sale (MW2 broke industry sales) or critical reception (less widely positive than usual) and games have been delayed plenty of times in the past. Stabby Joe (talk) 11:09, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes very much was a landmark title. Its beaten the FF series quickest sales for one thing. We all know MW2 broke sales records, thats a moot point in this question. It was the first of the series to be on 2 consoles at release, and it always causes queues in Japan and the series is seen as a graphical benchmark of the potential of the consoles.. Its far more of a landmark title than the likes of MGS4 which has been heavily criticised for being more of an interactive movie than a game, and not-too-great sales/shipments (nothings been confirmed obviously, and that is probably why) chocobogamer mine 12:35, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't advocate MGS4 as a milestone title either but when you say it was criticized, FFXIII has been WAAAAAAY more criticized. Further more if something "always causes queues in Japan", it's not significant. There is nothing special about this game critically or commercially and while yes it looked the par, it wasn't innovative either. Stabby Joe (talk) 09:41, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

I'd say it's a landmark title, especially seeing how well it did.--ILoveSky (talk) 04:44, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

iPhone OS gaming overtakes PSP in the US

I'm sure some of you already have read this as it has been reported everywhere, thought I'd share it here, maybe it could be relevant. Or at least puts an end to the discussion whether the iPod touch belongs or not. Apple a force to be reckoned with in portable gaming --18:36, 26 March 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aizuku (talk • contribs)

What a sad, sad day for gaming everywhere. Quietpopcorn (talk) 08:05, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Longevity of Seventh Generation.

Many signs are pointing to this generation of consoles lasting much longer than previous generations. No plans for eighth-gen consoles have been announced, as far as I am aware, and I've seen commentary about how console makers are in no rush to push for the eighth generation.

Perhaps a section should be added to this article that talks about why this generation is becoming longer than a typical console generation. --4.42.176.201 (talk) 19:44, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

It's quite subjective though. I think it's going to be less defined by major console releases. Microsoft themselves have even said that they consider Natal to be the start of the next generation of their line of systems. But only Sony have said that they expect a 10 year life cycle. It's probably best to leave it out until E3 or something --.:Alex:. 15:47, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Good point about E3. Things should have been announced there about the 8th gen last year, if this console cycle was following the 'normal' schedule as seen in the past. If nothing is announced this year, it will be even bigger news. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.104.200.203 (talk) 07:57, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

WP:CRYSTAL. Nothing can be said, an 8th gen page cannot be made until we see exactly what happens. If one manufacturer classes their console as next gen (an accessory would not be the start of the next gen, and i have never seen MS say that anyway), then thats the start of the next gen.. its not upto the public to decide what is in each gen.. or you'd get fanboys saying the Wii only has 6th gen tech blah blah... chocobogamer mine 17:05, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Not asking for a 8th gen article here. Asking about having a section added that talks about why this generation is becoming longer than any before it. This is something that is already happening and being discussed in the gaming press. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.104.200.203 (talk) 07:45, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Jumping the gun a bit.. The NES (which held its own against the Mega Drive etc) didnt have a successor for near enough 7 and a half years years, and was officially supported with new games for well over a decade, the PS2 has been supported for a decade... We can't speculate on the longevity.. For this generation to last longest, technically the next gen cannot start until 2013 chocobogamer mine 12:46, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

iPod, really?

An iPod is not a video game console. Following your logic, cell phones and computers should be listed too, because games can be played on them too. Hell, why not put DVD players on there too, since there are some DVD trivia games. Yeahhhhh. No. Please remove the whole iPod is a gaming console thing.--24.171.1.195 (talk) 03:42, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

You are wrong, get over it. --Aizuku (talk) 01:20, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

N-Gage as a phone and as software. nuff said! chocobogamer mine 13:54, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

I have to agree, the iPod Touch and iPhone have no place in the article. The PSP or Nintendo DS are dedicated game consoles, their sole purpose to to play video games--nothing else. The iPhone and iPod no more belong here than my ASUS MyPal A620 PocketPC (which by this logic, I could add to the sixth generation of portable gaming systems. It even has a small D-pad disc and buttons and can play a wide range of games, among other functions).--Apple2gs (talk) 20:07, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, you'll list an iPod as not only a game console, but a major handheld console, yet you give no credit to other dedicated game consoles that aren't by Nintendo, Microsoft, or Sony, such as Pandora. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ILoveSky (talk • contribs) 02:59, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, Really!

The iPod touch is marketed as as gaming handheld [2] [3] and is considered as such by the majority of gaming sites [4] [5] [6] and magazines, in the US it passed the PSP in software revenue [7]. The iPod touch is supported by big publishers like EA, SE, Capcom, Rockstar and Konami with strong games like Final Fantasy, Grand Theft Auto, Mass Effect and Chaos Rings. Nintendo considers Apple to be its future competition in the handheld market [8]. Just because it can do more than just gaming and called iPod doesn't disqualify it. Also the fact it is available as a phone and tablet variant doesn't disqualify it either. --Aizuku (talk) 13:47, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

To avoid an endless edit war I've added the iPod touch to the other systems subsection. We can agree that it at least belongs there. --Aizuku (talk) 14:03, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

why is ipod listed as a gaming console

iPods are music players, not dedicated hand-held video game systems.--ILoveSky (talk) 23:45, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Nintendo 3DS

This is a true sucessor to the Nintendo DS. Will it be the start of the 8th generation just how the original DS started the 7th generation?64.234.100.114 (talk) 21:06, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Looks like it is pretty obvious thats gonna be the case. However, we won't really know for sure until gaming websites give their say. Antimatter31 (talk) 16:26, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Super Mario Galaxy 2

As of 2nd June 2010 Super Mario Galaxy 2 is arguably enjoying even better critical reception than its predecessor. Shall we put its critical achievements under milestone titles as well? Perhaps under the same bullet point as Super Mario Galaxy? 219.89.13.212 (talk) 14:46, 2 June 2010 (UTC)