Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2011 January 28

January 28

Template:Romanization

Template:Romanization (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

All subpages of Template:Romanizations

Category:Romanization templates

None of these are used. No scope for use. No reason why the romanization can't just be written in the article. It is hard enough to insert Asian/Arabic characters for most users - no reason to require it in this way. — This, that, and the other (talk) 23:52, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

• Delete all article text masquerading as a template. Article text boilerplates are not what templates are for. 65.93.15.80 (talk) 04:36, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Masters of Russian Animation

Template:Infobox Masters of Russian Animation (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Most of the fields are the same as {{Infobox film}}. The main missing option from Infobox film is animated by. Would it be worth adding that to Infobox film and then deleting this infobox? WOSlinker (talk) 22:48, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

• Strong keep I am the author of this template. It is needed for my animations I am going to do. This is a very important template for all this animations in the compilation "Masters of Russian Animation". Also it differs from the {{Infobox film}} template; the colors will change after switching from "DVD1" through "DVD4". No way to delete this template.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 10:03, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Template:Tutorial (Editing)/sandbox graphical timeline

Template:Tutorial (Editing)/sandbox graphical timeline (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused template that doesn't seem to serve a purpose c y m r u . l a s s ^{(talk me, stalk me)} 22:00, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

• Delete. Appears to be a test of some kind. Not useful. — This, that, and the other (talk) 23:17, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Template:Alternateunderconstruction

Template:Alternateunderconstruction (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Move to userspace, only used by one person. WOSlinker (talk) 21:46, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

• Userfy per nom. A TfD nom is probably not required for userfications; I tend to just BOLDly userfy the page and delete the redirect under G6. — This, that, and the other (talk) 23:17, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Template:Jon Kortajarena in Ad Campaigns

Template:Jon Kortajarena in Ad Campaigns (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Per here.  Mbinebri  ^{talk ←} 21:21, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Template:River Viiperi in Ad Campaigns

Template:River Viiperi in Ad Campaigns (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Per here.  Mbinebri  ^{talk ←} 21:20, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Template:RudyGiulianiSegments

Template:RudyGiulianiSegments (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Looks unnecessary. Needs to be fixed if it is going to be used. — This, that, and the other (talk) 11:05, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Template:Rs S14 mid

Template:Rs S14 mid (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Purpose unknown. — This, that, and the other (talk) 10:58, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Template:Rspan

Template:Rspan (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Lspan (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. <span>s are inline HTML elements and should not be floated. If needed (which it shouldn't be, for that reason), just write the code. — This, that, and the other (talk) 10:58, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Template:Royal Scots Dragoon Guards

Template:Royal Scots Dragoon Guards (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Superseded - infobox at Royal Scots Dragoon Guards does the job nicely. — This, that, and the other (talk) 10:37, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Template:Royal Scots

Template:Royal Scots (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Superseded - infobox at Royal Scots takes care of this nicely. — This, that, and the other (talk) 10:36, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Template:Royal Marines

Template:Royal Marines (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Superseded - infobox at Royal Marines takes care of this nicely — This, that, and the other (talk) 10:33, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Template:Royal Gurkha Rifles

Template:Royal Gurkha Rifles (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Superseded - infobox at Royal Gurkha Rifles takes care of this nicely. — This, that, and the other (talk) 10:31, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Template:Routeboxca next

Template:Routeboxca next (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. What have language names got to do with route boxes? Not necessary. — This, that, and the other (talk) 10:28, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

• Delete have to say I don't quite get the point of this template, and since it is unused and I cannot conceive a good use for it, it must go. Arsenikk ^(talk) 19:19, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Template:Round16-3legs

Template:Round16-3legs (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Purpose unclear. Seems broken. — This, that, and the other (talk) 10:19, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Delete I would gather to believe it is a modification of {{Round16}}, which is a highly practical template, but for which there are three matches per stage. I agree that it seems to be broken and unused, so I do not see why it should be around. Arsenikk ^(talk) 19:22, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Template:Round16-LiverpoolSeniorCup

Template:Round16-LiverpoolSeniorCup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. No scope for use, as there are no articles on the Liverpool Senior Cup other than the main article, and that article includes no tournament brackets. Not sure why this bizarre one with repechages is needed anyway. — This, that, and the other (talk) 09:06, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Template:Rot90

Template:Rot90 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Rot270 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Okay, so this is a Template:Rot90 (if your browser supports it). But it's not totally supported, most likely bad for readability (it's annoying to turn your head 90 degrees to read the screen), and not currently used. — This, that, and the other (talk) 07:09, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

• Keep could be useful to illustrate things in discussions. Restrict to talk and wikipedia space. This should not be used in any other namespace. 65.93.15.80 (talk) 05:46, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
• Comment might be better renamed to {{moz-rotate}} and make the rotation amount be a passed parameter. Also, a special {{warning-moz-func}} template should be created to indicate that it requires Mozilla functions to work properly. 65.93.15.80 (talk) 05:46, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
  • It apparently does work on WebKit browsers (Chrome and Safari). It also rotates inline text (but not images, etc.) on Internet Explorer. The documentation needs to updated to agree with this. — This, that, and the other (talk) 07:00, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
• Comment I've added Rot270 to the nomination since it's part of the set. -- WOSlinker (talk) 09:26, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Quite. I have removed that template from the one article where it was used - premature, I know, but it is a non-standard template, and a real nasty head-turner. — This, that, and the other (talk) 11:20, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
  • I suppose the two should be merged together into the suggested {{moz-rotate}} then... 65.93.15.80 (talk) 13:32, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
• Delete I cannot for the life of me think of a suitable situation for using this. Seems like a lot of browsers don't support it, and those that do, render it in such a way as to make it nearly unreadable. Part of the problem with this type of template, is that certain types of editors think that if there is a template which allows something to be done, it is acceptable to use it (often in the most inappropriate circumstances). Arsenikk ^(talk) 19:16, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Comment I can see a use for them, since discussions sometimes talk about orientations, so if you can provide a visual illustration of what is being discussed (like rotating an image), it would be useful. 65.93.15.80 (talk) 04:39, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Template:Rosters within Cleveland Indians organization

Template:Rosters within Cleveland Indians organization (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unnecessary inter-template navigational box. This category suffices. — This, that, and the other (talk) 07:06, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Template:Rosie Rushton

Template:Rosie Rushton (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Appears to be superseded by {{Rosie Rushton books}}. — This, that, and the other (talk) 07:03, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Template:Ron Clements & John Musker Filmography

Template:Ron Clements & John Musker Filmography (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Filmography navboxes are bad. (It would be nice to have some sort of page to link to in order to strengthen this argument, either a policy/guideline or precedent, but I can't seem to find one.) — This, that, and the other (talk) 07:02, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Template:Road designation Green

Template:Road designation Green (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Appears to have been created for use in Roads in Serbia, per the user's contributions, but it has been superseded by SVG graphics. Also delete the redirect. — This, that, and the other (talk) 07:00, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Template:Rochester Sports

Template:Rochester Sports (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Huge, unused template. The top section seems to have been superseded by {{New York Sports}}. A lot of the rest of it ("personalities", "venues", "golf" tournaments) is too loosely related to belong here. What's left ("semi-pro teams", "college teams") = WP:NENAN. I don't know what to do with the "defunct teams" bit, though. — This, that, and the other (talk) 06:44, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

• Keep as creator. It's unused because I wanted to develop it before putting it on the relevant pages. Template:NYCMetroSports is the model and the precedent. Template:New York Sports organizes by sport and makes it hard to find other local teams, whereas these templates organize by city. If it's important that it be used, that can be rectified in short order. Powers ^T 11:44, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Well, it helps if this is placed on articles. But it needs to be fixed first. The top, nameless section is non-standard and should be turned into a normal group row. Also, notice that {{NYCMetroSports}} only lists sporting teams; I agree with that one, and I don't think this navbox should contain the list of sportspeople, nor the list of tournaments that have been held in Rochester. If that's fixed, and there is still enough content left for a navbox, then I'll withdraw this nomination. — This, that, and the other (talk) 23:20, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
    • That's a content issue and an appropriate topic for the talk page, but surely not cause for deletion? Powers ^T 14:07, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Template:Rfc-open

Template:Rfc-open (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Five old substitutions. No longer used. No longer necessary. — This, that, and the other (talk) 06:36, 28 January 2011 (UTC) — This, that, and the other (talk) 06:36, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Template:Rio de Janeiro bid for the 2016 Summer Olympics

Template:Rio de Janeiro bid for the 2016 Summer Olympics (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused sea of redlinks. No scope for use - all info is contained in the article Rio de Janeiro bid for the 2016 Summer Olympics. — This, that, and the other (talk) 04:37, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

• Delete Don't really think any of these articles should be created, although some might be plausible for redirects. What is left is a navbox with a single article. If a small number of articles were created, they should be stuck into the main navbox for those games. Arsenikk ^(talk) 19:12, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Template:Denali ImageMap

Template:Denali ImageMap (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Yellowstone ImageMap (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Yosemite ImageMap (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:NCascades ImageMap (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Nice images, and nice imagemaps. But, sad as I am to say so, I can't quite see the encyclopedic value of these unused templates. — This, that, and the other (talk) 10:23, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

• All templates except {{Denali ImageMap}} are indeed used, once each. I'd go for keeping them, as the argument for their deletion as being unused is moot for all but one of them. As for encyclopedic value? They help illustrate the topic. Airplaneman ✈ 20:18, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Usage on a userpage doesn't really count, in my view. They can be userfied if that user wants them. — This, that, and the other (talk) 00:38, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

• Move to Wikipedia:WikiProject Alaska/Denali image map, Wikipedia:WikiProject Wyoming/Yellowstone image map, Wikipedia:WikiProject California/Yosemite image map, and Wikipedia:WikiProject Washington/North Cascades image map. Unless there is a wikiproject just for such image maps. 134.253.26.10 (talk) 20:27, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

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• Keep they are useful to illustrate the respective national parks --Guerillero | My Talk 20:42, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
• The one of Denali is absolutely awesome and I am off to integrate it into the article on Denali National Park and Preserve right now. Glad i happened by here on other business. Beeblebrox (talk) 03:48, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
• Keep Fantastic, useful linked maps. While only used on one article each, the code is much too big to transclude. Reywas92^Talk 19:35, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Template:Recent death

Template:Recent death (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

There are several things wrong with this template, including its continual, habitual but somewhat understandable misuse.

If used according to its documentation, this tag should only be applied very sparingly. It should not be used merely to inform readers that the subject has recently died—the text of the article is more than sufficient for this—but rather to inform them that the article may change as facts come to light. That is, it is a special case of {{current}}

This is a wiki, articles will change—constantly. Why do we need a tag to tell readers this? Even if some sort of tag was thought necessary wouldn't {{current person}} do the job just as well, especially given this tag would not be used more than two or three times a year. (there are just not that many Michael Jackson and Steve Irwin-type events).

The mere existence of the tag encourages editors to place it on every article where the subject has recently died, regardless of the wording of the tag or the documentation. I can understand their confusion: What is the tag supposed to be if you can't put on the article of someone who has died. However, the best solution this continual misapplication is to not extend the use of this entirely unnecessary template, but to remove it entirely. Mattinbgn (talk) 03:34, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

• Merge to {{Current}} along with {{Current related}}, and {{Current person}}. – Allen4names 17:30, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
• Abstain as the creator of the template. It's been nominated twice before, shortly after its creation and almost two years later. Several points here:
  • FWIW, I created the template after musician James Brown died on Christmas 2006 and former U.S. President Gerald Ford died the next day. People were arguing over whether {{current}} should be used in such cases--after all, a death is not a "current event," is it? Plus, the only things likely to change in the article relate to information about the death itself. So I figured, why not create a template that addresses this specific case?
  • I figured the template would be used for high-profile individuals like Brown and Ford, much like the use of {{current}} in such cases at the time. I never imagined people would use it in all possible cases.
  • I wonder if "I don't like how it's being used" is a reason to delete. Isn't that a case of WP:IDONTLIKEIT? If you feel its use is inappropriate in such-and-such article, remove it. I guess if it's being slapped on every article when the subject dies, its use is unnecessary, so it's being used too much and should be deleted. But if its use is limited to truly high-profile cases such as Michael Jackson or Heath Ledger, it's not being used enough and should be deleted.
  • On that note, I don't think all the instruction creep in the documentation is necessary. Templates shouldn't come with a long list of rules. If the template is helpful to the encyclopedia in such-and-such case, use it. If not, don't.
• szyslak (t) 00:57, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

"If you feel its use is inappropriate in such-and-such article, remove it." I do, and I get pushback from editors nearly every time, see [[Talk:Template:Recent Death]] for details. I don't like the template, that is true but I want it deleted because it is unnecessary and unhelpful.

The problem is that the template invites misuse. It simply is not appropriate to have such self-referential templates on articles unless absolutely necessary. If a template like this exists, it will by virtue of its existence be placed on every article where someone has died by editors who have not read the huge list of documentation. The best way to tidy this up is to remove the template altogether.

"after all, a death is not a "current event, is it?" Of course it is. The events surrounding the death of Michael Jackson did not stop the moment he was pronounced dead, no more than the events surrounding the 2011 Domodedovo International Airport bombing stopped from the time the explosion happened. Such a narrow definintion of the word "event" is rather peculiar. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 02:17, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

• Keep If someone is beaten to death with a hammer we don't outlaw hammers to stop it from happening again. Merging it would not solve the problem of it being misapplied either as the current event tag has exactly the same issues. Beeblebrox (talk) 03:43, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

• It would solve the problem of editors placing the tag on articles where someone has died where there has not been any great event. It is the concept of a "recent death" tag that isn't actually supposed to be used for recent deaths that misleads editors. Not sure how the hammer anecdote is relevant. If there is no need for a "hammer", what is the point of having one lying around in a situation where it will almost certainly be misused. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 03:55, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

• Delete. If the template would have been used the way it's supposed to be used, I'd be fine with it. But it's not. People see a template called "Recent death", see an article about a person who recently died, and add the template. That's the reality, and no matter how much we can argue that, in an ideal, hypothetical world, people would not do that kind of silliness, people still do it. No amount of rules or manual removals of the template will stop people from adding the template to articles where it's not supposed to be added. So, ultimately, it's simply not worth having the template, considering the amount of work it takes for us volunteers to make sure it's used correctly. --Conti|✉ 14:36, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Template:Notable Joluo

Template:Notable Joluo (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Indiscriminate. Tries to join hockey players with politicians with rap artists based on a supposedly, but often unsourced, shared ethnicity. Maybe valuable as a cited list, but certainly not as a navbox. Resolute 01:30, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

• Keep. The navbox is similar to Template:VietnamCorr. The hockey players, politicians and rap artists all identify themselves as Luo. Thaths (talk) 17:21, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

  Actually, that navbox is an entirely different concept, and WP:WAX is not a valid keep argument anyway. Comparing apples to apples: Would a template that lists "notable Americans" be useful? How about "notable Jews"? "Notable Inuit"? A shared ethnicity, if cited, is a good category, and a decent list, but a bad navbox. Resolute 18:11, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

• Listify and delete - this should be a list, not a navbox at the end of every article included in the box. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 17:33, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

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• Delete and turn into a list or a category. There is no reason to connect people via internal link which have nothing in common but their ethnicity.--GirasoleDE (talk) 14:24, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Template:CSCOTW article

Template:CSCOTW article (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:CSCOTW current (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

The Computer science Collaboration of the Week doesn't seem to have been very well used. Initally created in Aug 2006 to one article and never changed. Suggest substituting into Wikipedia:WikiProject Computer science/Collaboration of the Week and then deleting. WOSlinker (talk) 20:15, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

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Template:CRow navbox

Template:CRow navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Doesn't really offer anything that can't easily be accomplished with the standard {{Navbox}} template. WOSlinker (talk) 00:01, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

• Delete. Probably intended as a meta-template for a series of navboxes. But since it is unused, it is not needed. I have orphaned the template (replaced uses with {{navbox}}). — This, that, and the other (talk) 23:17, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Delete. I created the template. I have no objection to the deletion since “the other” modified the only template using it. 09er (talk) 19:25, 30 January 2011 (UTC)