User talk:Kudpung

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Apologies & CVUA

Hi Kudpung, I'm sorry if I mis-interpreted this edit, which I understood to mean that you believed admins chose who got access to STiki and their word could not be over-ridden by non-admins. The us-them divide has always been a bugbear of mine and I know it's something I may be over-zealous with.

Regarding the wider CVUA issues, they are looking to implement my suggested changes at the end of the week. I believe those who were causing the other issues are aware of them and I've not seen problems with that either. Some of our other worries appear to be unfounded, such as CVUA trying to foist inexperienced editors into NPP. I believe this was because WT:NPP included a CVU banner - CVU and CVUA are seperate entities. (It may be best to remove the banner anyway)

Given time, I'm sure the project will keep improving. I also don't want to see these enthusiastic editors demoralised, Wikipedia has a problem with editor retention and there have been suggestions that this is partially due to the critical environment. As one of our more experienced editors, I'm sure you've seen general opinion on the way we do things change, the last thing I think we should be doing is stifling those editors who's bright ideas may be the start of a new Wikipedia environment. Worm^TT(talk) 15:15, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

CVU and CVU/A are currently 'run' by the same people. If anyone is to blame, it's me for encouraging those I accord Rollback and Reviewer rights to, to help out at NPP - but only if I believe they can manage it. Others probably see those comments and think it applies to everyone. Part of my reaction over Stiki was due to the use over the weekend by one of the 'stars' of CVU who created havoc across over 500 articles by using a bugged script. Knowing who it was, I didn't block to stop the disruption, and my humour and handling of the issue was taken in very good faith, and it finally worked out well with all concerned. Those who criticise my 'attitude' fail to notice these things. Your advice to me, unlike some emails I've been getting from the CVU crew, is always taken very seriously and in the very best of good faith :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:05, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

PS. You may also wish to see this conversation that took pace earlier this evening. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:12, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

When I read the comments that this incident stemmed from, I was immediately taken aback. Kudpung's tone was a little waspish. Definitely not something that I'm used to seeing. After reading back over everything, especially the little incident with Stiki, I'm actually going to give him kudos for maintaining as pleasant of a demeanor as he has. As I commented on the CVUA talk page earlier this evening, I feel that the project is near totally useless as a training tool. HOWEVER, it is one of those gateway projects that integrate new users into Wikipedia. And as such, I think it's dangerous to be too quick to write it off as a bad idea. I have looked over a lot of the people who drive that project and while they are often inexperienced and young, they all seem to have their hearts in the right place. Trusilver 04:53, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi TrueSilver. Thanks for your input. Just to put the record straight in case your comments are misread by other users here (a common fault with written communication which is also dangerous), I have never even remotely suggested that the project should be written off as a bad idea. I don't even concur that it is a totally uselses training tool. Moreover, I firmly belive that it has an essential function. I have aways stated that I appreciate the enthusiasm nd the time the regulars spend on it, but with all the social banter, misplaced daughter projects, active members being blocked and having their tools revoked, and others leaving leaving the project for reasons of disenchantment, I and other editors have expressed the need for a more mature approach to the task, and much, much less bureaucracy. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:12, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

I mostly agree. The project suffers from an extreme case of Parkinson's Bicycle Shed Effect. For every twenty seconds the drivers of CVUA spend addressing the the correct methods to teach countervandalism, they spend an hour hand-wringing over pointless bureaucracy. Case in point: I made a post to the CVUA talk page the other day addressing several key issues surrounding the project as well as one minor quibbling suggestion that was almost to the point of irrelevance. Which one of these items did they latch onto and talk about? The irrelevant one. I found myself just sitting in my chair here chuckling and shaking my head. These are all good people, and I think they ARE an asset to the project, however misplaced I currently find their efforts to be. I think they seriously need a strong coordinator to the project, preferable one that is old enough to be taken seriously. (it shouldn't be an issue, but it really is) If someone asked for volunteers, I would be planting my foot into Worm That Turned's backside and shoving him out front. Trusilver 23:53, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

I see that you share my thoughts exactly but I have to cast my mind back nearly 50 years to when I was in that age group. At school we were constantly creating and organising clubs along with all their hierarchies. Strong leaderships surfaced but unfortunately those with the charisma were often ones who were least suited for the actual tasks involved (too much polit-talk and too little action), while others quietly went about putting things write (pun intended). We all resented any advice from outside (have fun reading the entire thread). One only needs to look at this, total up the the number of edits that went into them all, and realise how that time could have been spent on actual counter-vandalism or tutoring. I started the ball rolling with getting the issues addressed, mainly because of the badgering and unnecessary 'clerking' at PERM, but even that didn't work. Worm stepped in at CVU and took the lead with offering some sound advice and although he is wise, experienced, and perhaps more diplomatic than I am, his gentle words were acknowledged but received no action. People say that change takes time, but it has been going on for weeks now and I don't see any happening. I've said that one can't see the wood for the trees in the forest of CVU/CVUA pages, and the pages look like Christmas trees - also rather reminiscent of the cool 'go faster' stripes youngsters used to stick on their cars - including me! The bike shed is an excellent analogy (I didn't know about that essay) and also brings to mind an area on which I am a coord - without any special authority - hundreds of articles have just one line about the school, and the rest is about their sports results, the dozens of 5-member clubs, and of course the food in the canteen. I realise that because they think it was hard work making them, it would be difficult for them to accept that they need to scrap most of the pages and the decorations. Not content with the plethora of user rights, some editors are even campaigning for more. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:28, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

I think I have arrived at the same position you have, and I totally wash my hands of those people. I can name a dozen different anti-vandalism patrollers just off the top of my head who have more experience than ten of their so-called "instructors". (I wish that was an exaggeration, but it's really not) They seem to really enjoy outside comments on their project... particularly when they are positive comments. If they are offered criticism, they simply pick out the parts that they like and blissfully pretend the rest never happened. They are going about right now figuring out how to create metrics to verify how successful their programs is... let bureaucracy reign!! I know what you are talking about when it comes to schools, though. I have always had a soft spot toward school articles, even when they are clearly crufty and/or non-notable, just because I know that school articles are how a lot of teenage editors get their first edits on the project. With schools, much like the CVUA, I feel that we can afford the ability to not take them QUITE as seriously as other content. I'm sure there are certain humorless people who will be lighting torches to burn me at the stake for even suggesting this, but I think that when the cafeteria menu or something equally unencyclopedic for Whocaresville High School is put on the article, I will scrutinize it for a moment and then walk right past it when I'm doing recent change patrolling. Should I revert? Probably, but it's an article that very few people are going to read, and it has the possibility of developing a new editor who might later be an asset to the project. I view CVUA in the same way... a gross misappropriation of time. BUT, it really doesn't hurt anyone or anything to let it exist, and good may come out of it in the long run. Trusilver 22:33, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Please do revert any senseless trivia from school articles when yo come across it. I use a special toolserver watchlist for school articles but I don't catch them all by any means. I wouldn't say that nobody reads school articles - I just got a high school up to GA and it's been reported in the local press! Wikipedia's first UK high school GA. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:16, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations on that! I'd be very interested in seeing it. The link? Trusilver 08:15, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

HCGS. I spent 2 days climbing around in the school's 500 year old attic looking through old records when I was in the UK last year. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:26, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your support in my RfA. I hope to maintain your trust in me.—Bagumba (talk) 21:03, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Carthage44 socking

Carthage44 was blocked indefintely a while back along with 74.94.112.249 (2 weeks). The IP is actively editing again with the same baseball theme of Chicago White Sox related articles. Being that editing in the past with this static IP coincided with blocks to Carthage44, and given the current theme of the edits, I would assume this is a continuing sock.—Bagumba (talk) 21:09, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

I would assume so too and it looks pretty obvious to me and it has been established that they are the same although they made a weak claim of innocence that was declined. As you are now an admin, you can use your discretion whether to re-block or not. I would suggest a longer block this time, with account creation blocked, and check to see if any new accounts editing the same pages have been created while the block was on. Good luck! Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:00, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

As I interacted in the past with the user before becoming an admin, I'll err on being conservative and consider myself "involved". I'll report at SPI. Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 14:33, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

I think that is a perfectly reasonable decision. It's also the reason why I will not get further involved as I made the first block. There's nothing to stop you reopening the case though. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:54, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Opened at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Carthage44. Especially since I filed what I thought was a clear-cut case at AN3 that was denied on a stricter interpretation of edit-warring than I would have used, I'm sitting back and observing on cases where I'm involved. No desire for drama :-)—Bagumba (talk) 15:07, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

I've been around a long time but I'm also rather new to the SPI process itself. It's not an area that I generally take much active interest in but through my work on deletions I tend to end up discovering a lot of cases of socking. This particular case should be able to be quickly cut and dried per WP:DUCK because the user actually admits to using the same computer. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:23, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Garrison Border Town of Elvas and its Fortifications

Hi there

Thank you for notifying me about the deletion of "Garrison Border Town of Elvas and its Fortifications".

I do not agree with the deletion which was already done. It is usual for articles refering to a world heritage site to be separated from the article of the city/place itself where this site is located.

The information of the original article I created is now not present anywhere.

I will recreate the original article.

Best,

Z. Zdtrlik (talk) 09:07, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi. It hasn't actually been deleted. You can find it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Garrison_Border_Town_of_Elvas_and_its_Fortifications&oldid=505697830 to recreate the article, simply undo the redirect by using the 'undo' in the edit history. Do not simply copy the content and paste it into a new article. If you need any help, let me know. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:18, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Hanley_Castle_High_School

Good evening :) I just passed the article. Pardon me for the delay but I can't find any problems left within. Cheers! TheSpecialUser ^TSU 21:58, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Oh that's why

"There are also close on 1,000 other guidelines and policies to help your editing." No wonder everyone is confused and fighting each other! Rich Farmbrough, 03:08, 30 August 2012 (UTC).

One of my typical tongue-in-the-cheek exaggerations, but if one counts all the essays too, it might be getting close. Even still keep stumbling across new ones, and I'm often confued. One of the annoying things is that so many pages link to other versions of the same thing. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:12, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

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CSD Log

Hi Kudpung! I found a tool (from Dennis Brown's RFA) that tracks your CSD nominations. I have made a log of those CSD nominations which can be found here. Additionally, I have enabled Twinkle's CSD and PROD logs. What do you think about my nominations? Best, Electric Catfish 14:32, 30 August 2012 (UTC).

Could you please lock this page

There have been non-stop vandalism and addition in this list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boston_University_people

No vandalim. And who are you? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:25, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Protection of Edin Džeko

Hi there! I don't know how familiar you are with football/soccer, and particular European, and especially English football, but from the close of the season until 31 August, players are allowed to be transfered. As such, players even vaguely linked with moves have their pages changed. This is exacerbated by wild twitter rumours, fans lust for another team's player etc until WP player pages are a mess! As such, I've protected Dzeko's page as it kept getting changed that he plays for Arsenal. He doesn't, but some fans think he a) should b) has signed c) is about to sign etc. Until it's a done deal and has reliable sources, we can only say he plays for his current club (in this case Man City).

Almost every football player that comes onto RfPP around deadline day ends up getting protected till early September when it all calms down again. Until January, when we get another month of it! So I hope you don't mind me revisting your RfPP request (it had been added to), and for letting you know about the madness of the transfer window. And apologies if you knew all that anyway! GedUK  14:28, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Ged. You'll find this strange for an Englishman, but I don't have the foggiest idea about soccer, no interest, and don't want to know. All I know is that 22 men kick a ball around a field, earn a huge amount of money for it, and millions of people go mad over the game. As you'll see from my user page, I also have an aversion to the 1000s of one-line, one-reference soccer bios - and that's why I can't even be bothered to patrol them. You are more than welcome to protect the article as much as you like, even dig a hole and bury it  ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:39, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Doesn't surprise me in the slightest; most of my friends couldn't give a rat's whosit about it either. I just wish there was a button we could press when the transfer window opens that would protect all footballer's articles until September! WOuld stop RfPP getting cluttered! GedUK  14:53, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

A7-Animal

Hi Kudpung! I've always wondered what the purpose of the {{db-animal}} template was. What is considered a non-notable or insignificant animal? I've created a few fish stubs, and TAP has created thousands of stubs of species of beetles. The only article about an animal that I've ever speedied was Smeebling (it's actually a hoax and you'll probably get a good laugh about it). Best, Electric Catfish 20:54, 31 August 2012 (UTC).

An animal with a real name such as a race horse, a pet, a famous circus elephant, or a panda in a zoo, etc. See this. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk)

TRACY WEST MALONE AND MARK MALONE

PLEASE REMOVE THE PERSONAL SECTION ON "MARK MALONE", I AM HIS EX WIFE AND SOMEONE IS EDITING IT WITH COMPLETE LIES. IT'S CAUSING ME TROUBLE AT MY BUSINESS, ETC. I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO TAKE LEGAL ACTION. WHEN I DELETE IT, YOU DON'T ALLOW IT, BUT YOU ALLOW THE LIES???? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.194.7.15 (talk) 01:11, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Hello. If you want me to look into this, firstly please don't shout. Secondly, making legal threats or implying that you will make them is taken extremely negatively on Wikipedia. Please follow this link and read about it: WP:NLT, and then read WP:LBL for advice on the action you can take. And finally, we have no reason to believe that you are who you say you are. Thank you. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk)

Mentoring

My apologies. While I've seen several discussions, I had not realised you had been mentoring him as well. Otherwise, I would have notified you as I did keilana. - jc37 01:37, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

No worries. I have everything he does on my watchlist anyway, and I also keep a regular eye on most AN/I cases :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:41, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Request

Hi. Could you take a look at Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Autopatrolled for me? A billion thank yous! TBrandley 02:43, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

See my comments there and please do ot canvass admins - we have the PERM pages on our watchlists. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:58, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Note that ItsZippy has previously revoked this user's AutoPatrolled rights.--Anderson - What's up? 19:59, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

And...? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:26, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

That is all.--Anderson - What's up? 05:19, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

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Canvassing

I probably shouldn't have added that Perm TB. I saw the note you left for TBrandley hinting you have PERM pages on your watchlist.--Calm As Midnight (talk) 09:49, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Red - Taylor Swift

You questioned me about a reference to the song of the album called "Everything Has Changed" (feat. Ed Sheeran) and I can't find any but it was said in an interview so can I reference the interview? here at 2 mins http://www.mtv.co.uk/artists/taylor-swift/video/taylor-swift-talks-inspiration-behind-never-ever-hit --Justinhaff (talk) 11:17, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately an interview is not a reliable source because it contains information a subject said about themselves: WP:PRIMARY. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:25, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi

I've fixed the closure. If you ever go for it again, here are the instructions :) TheSpecialUser ^TSU 15:02, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

I know, thanks. I realised what I had done but my connection went off and I was still trying to figure it out. Cheers. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:04, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

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Keelan RfA

You told me to tell you if it was without my consent. It certainly was. I have no idea where he got my username from... I'll be commenting on the request so you can close it shortly. Thanks for your assistance. Silvrous (talk) 15:59, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

OK, thanks, because in a few moments I'm probably going to block him for vandalism. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:01, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

I do assume good faith, and you have, indeed, erred; but I hope I'm not being rude.

Lecen not only took part in the edit war, but was actually the one who started it and ignored the talk page. Where's his warning?

Did you even read the talk page? Lecen complained to the noticeboard before joining the discussion in the talk page, despite my invitations to discussion. --I. N. Keller (talk) 16:37, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi. You're not being rude at all. I had read the talk page and it doesn't matter who is wrong or who is right, technically you were both edit warring and over the limit. However, those edit summaries for communication are not a cool way to communicate either, and they are disruptive. I omitted to warn Lecen because I'm having terrible problems with my connection today and I meant to go back to it later. I was actually hesitating over protecting the page but one edit war between just two editors is not sufficient reason to do so. It's too late for me to warn him now so I will strike the warning on your page and feel free to delete it if you wish. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:55, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, sir. I don't really care about warnings, I simply object to special treatment, mainly because I don't deserve it --I. N. Keller (talk) 17:14, 1 September 2012 (UTC).

In hindsight, I've left a message on his talk page already. As it as a content dispute it should have been taken to WP:DRN anyway if it can't be resolved amicably amicably and not ANI. At ANI there could be a risk that you might both be blocked - which I did not do. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:18, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Regarding his comment below, I have been editing Wikipedia anonymously since at least 2005, but, unlike him, I don't do it for attribution. He's a great example of the editor who has made major contributions or written a whole article himself, and then rejects any attempts to improve it. By the way, the discussion of 16th of November did not "die out", hie simply ignored it completely.

If we decide to assess edits based on the past contributions of the editor instead of assessing the contribution's merits, we'll be driving many users away, both new and old. Using your "golden stars" as an argument is ludicrous; what bearing do his "golden stars" have on whether the article's title is good or not?

One last point: "ragamuffin" is NOT a translation for "farrapo." Farrapo means "rag". I challenge anyone to find a dictionary saying otherwise. --I. N. Keller (talk) 18:56, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm not really bothered who is right or who is wrong as I have said before, and my talk page is not the place to battle it out and you both know where to take your dispute. That said, AFAIK maltrapilho is ragamuffin. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 20:15, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

And you are right. maltrapilho is a good translation for ragamuffin. Sorry for bothering you, I realise now you're very busy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Imnotkeller (talk • contribs) 20:56, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

War of the Ragamuffins

Thank you for your warning. Perhaps you're not aware, but I'm actually the only, I repeat, the only editor on Wikipedia in English who is writing articles about Brazilian imperial history. Did you see the golden stars at the top of my user page? Empire of Brazil, Pedro I of Brazil, Pedro II of Brazil, etc, etc.. The Brazilian military commander who quelled the Ragamuffin rebellion? That was Luís Alves de Lima e Silva, Duke of Caxias, another Featured Article I wrote. In other words: I'm actually the only person who has any real knowledge of Brazilian history around. But you instead chose to listen to a guy who has never contributed at all??

You also seem not to have paid attention to the development of the article about the War of the Ragamuffins. That was, and still is, a completely ignored article. I changed its name (and warned everyone) on 17 May 2011. No one complained. No one. Several months later, on 16 November 2011, a guy called Pinnecco complained, but the discussion died out and nothing happened. Now, on 31 August 2012 an editor called " I. N. Keller" who has never made any single contribution on Wikipedia changed the name of the article and reverted again when I opposed him. You shoudn't come to my talk page and accuse me of edit warring. I'm not forcing anything, he was and still is. The name "Ragamuffin" is the English translation of the Portuguese word "Farrapo" and is the name used on English sources about Brazilian imperial history. I'm not creating that out of nowhere, I woudln't have ten FAs about Brazilian imperial history if I didn't pay serious attention to sources. --Lecen (talk) 18:18, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

If I'm concerned with cases of edit warring I obviously don't do a review of the whole article. The effort is to stop the warring, not to establish who is right or wrong - it takes two to tango. The content or the name dispute is a matter for WP:DRN if it can't be resolved amicably as I have explained. What you could also do would be start a 'move' RfC on the article talk page and let the community decide on the name of the page. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:44, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Thmc1 Now causing new problems! REPLY RQUESTED!

Just thought I'd let you know that Thmc1 is now embroiled in an edit war and angering several(at least 4 or 5) other users in the "Yosemite National Park" article by repeatedly reverting their edits. All this while still evading block and not logging in (173.63.176.93). Check out the article's talk page [1]! I've already reported to WP.AIV, but so far nothing. Now, what? MBaxter1 (talk) 18:48, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

AIV is for clear cases of vandalism. If it's a content dispute take it to DRN, if it's sockpuppetry take it to SPI, and if you are absolutely certain that admin intervention is required take it to AN/I. That said, I don't see much disruption on Yosemite National Park. And please stop yelling at me - it's not the way to get things done here. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk)

My apologies if it appeared that I was yelling at you. The goal was to get your atention, and not to yell! I'm just really miffed (and disappointed) at why you had originally blocked 173.63.176.93, and then reversed that decision. According to the investigation archives, there was barely any evidence(compared to what I brought up), and yet he was still blocked the first time. Even more puzzling is why a user who obviously violated a block for sockpuppeting is allowed to continue what is obviously the same kinds of disruptive edits (subtle vandalism) for which he was originally blocked. Has there been a change of protocol for conducting SPI since that time? Regards, MBaxter1 (talk) 17:39, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

The probleis that we can't keep IPs blocked indefinitely. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:32, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Gotcha. if it's alright with you I will continue reporting anything that I find suspicious. Anyway, you mentioned previously that you were conducting an investigation of your own and came up with a few other people who might also be connected to Thmc1. By any chance, would one of the account names happen to begin with the letters "Kw......."?MBaxter1 (talk) 20:09, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Autopatrolled

25? Really? Not so long time ago the bar was at 100 pages. Don't understand me wrong: I think that many bars in Wikipedia are simply too high (e.g. RfA/B, etc) but this is... say - nobody will check the created articles again (or say it will need it's time, maybe years!)... mabdul 20:27, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
PS: PLease remove the blinky stuff of your edit notice... :(

Golly, you mean people actually read my edit notice? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 20:34, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

No, it is going on my nervs while editing here. -.- mabdul 20:38, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Na und? Dein Pech, Alter ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 20:49, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) The purpose of autopatrolled rights is to help reduce the backlog at NPP. I do not believe that there should be an arbitrary threshold attributed to autoreviewer rights, such as 50 or 100 articles created. The articles should be free of issues that NPPers have to correct or tag for, such as spelling and grammar mistakes, BLP issues, or NPOV vios. However, 17 articles isn't going to backlog up NPP. Electric Catfish 01:02, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

When I applied for the right 3 years ago I had made over 50 full-length articles. I applied because if a patroller was doing his/her job properly, it would have taken an hour to check them correctly. I wouldn't have dreamt of asking for the rights with less. Quality is more important than quantity, and if I see around 35 or so articles of the quality I write myself, I see no reason why not to accord, while 100 short stubs probably won't get my approval - they only take seconds to patrol. When checking for autopatrolled rights, I check all the articles up to the first 100, and also do checks that can only be made by admins, and those are the most important. Again therefore, there is really no need for 'clerking' on that page except for some help with archiving. I have no idea what criteria other admins apply, but I guess you all know by now that I am strict but fair (I hope), and always open to questions concerning my admin acts (nobody is perfect). Hope this helps. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:39, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Oh you're doing a great job at the PERM pages. Keep up doing such good work! Just wanted to know the rationale behind that shrinking threshold. mabdul 10:53, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
	In case you weren't aware, I respect your judgement and am very glad for your comments as they help me further my knowledge. I would actually like to encourage you to make to make any comments because in the end, I find them helpful! Your work at WP:PERM is also much appreciated. -- Cheers, Riley Huntley talk 03:54, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much, Riley. Actually, Keelan and his socks kept me up half the night chasing them around the site. All VOA and blocked now. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:38, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

thankyou

thankyou for rollback :D --LemonTwinkle 07:19, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome. Use it wisely and only for blatant vandalism. From time to time I'll check in and see how you're doing and offer any advice.--Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:41, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

FYI

FYI. Please remember that CAPTCHAs are undoable for some of us. Courcelles 15:35, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

As a web developer, I am fully aware of that. The onus is on the applicant to explain why they want the rights, and on the MediaWiki devs to do something about it. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:52, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

I actually don't know why we would be declining this flag to anyone who is working in reasonably good faith and not making a mess. It is supposed to be trivial, not something that requires an extraordinary reason to get; all declining the flag does is makes other people's lives harder, and it isn't really fair to make them beg for such a trivial thing. Courcelles 00:12, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

AFAIK (according to a test I made 3 minutes ago, from an unconformed account of mine, and making an attempt at account creation) the CAPTCHA is only required when registering a new account. There may possibly be a bug or something else I am missing. Nevertheless, a more friendly approach to me might have been appropriate - the use in question hasn't even attempted one edit to mainspace yet. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:17, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I think that you also have to answer a CAPTHA when you try to provide an external link (to prevent spamming). Electric Catfish 11:22, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

CAPTCHA would make sense in that case, except that I think it would be best to try a different system for blocking out spam bots rather than getting people to punch in a set of difficult-to-read characters that appear onscreen. I agree with Courcelles above. Kurtis (talk) 18:57, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Stevia RFPP

Regarding this response to my RFPP request for full protection of stevia, it seems you agreed to full protection but then semi-protected it. ~Amatulić (talk) 19:45, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Sorry! I fully intended to full protect it. I've added another 48 hours - this time full protection, but it appears that things have died down already. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:26, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Not really, the full protection has encouraged talk page discussion, which was the point. Thanks. ~Amatulić (talk) 19:32, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Removing of maintenance tag templates

Kudpungji, I am having a a problem with the article creator of Sibichen K Mathew who has been removing repeatedly maintenance templates (leaving messages like "Sorry will look into it......shortly). While the initial page was created through user name, subsequent edits are being done through an IP. The issue is mainly with notability and there are any number of these pages of mid-ranking and junior Indian civil service officers probably put up by their sycophants, progeny or those looking for a something in return. (Other examples I've come across are K. V. Jacob and Abhay Kumar.) I was just wondering if I should continue replacing the maintenance tags or give it up as a lost cause Sesamevoila (talk) 05:11, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Never give up on these issues, because the editors need to learn that they can't mess with Wikipedia and and have their own way against policies. However, don't get involved in an edit war by replacing the templates, but continue to issue incremental warnings if necessary. I'll take a look and reply again here later. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:48, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

The IP and the user are obviously the same and connecting from the same building in Bangalore. I've left messages on all the accounts and more special ones on the main account. Check them out to see what I hav done. You'll find that we have hundreds of problems like these from Indian editors. It's mostly in good faith because they don't understand the rules (we had huge problems with our Education Programme in Pune last year). The other problem of course is that such articles often appear promotional (WP:PEACOCK) because they are written in Indian English which is noted for its flowery prose. While this is perfectly acceptable for the Indian sub continent, it almost always needs to be copyedited for the neutral standard English used on Wikipedia, which is more like American or British English or the English required for the IELTS exams. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:45, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

kudpunji,i am harish.I am sorry for the misdeeds done,i have cleared up the page,instead of tagging can u please help me by removing the peacock words....Thanks (Harishrawat11 (talk) 12:19, 4 September 2012 (UTC))

Hi Harish. Sesamevoila only means well. He is a very good Wikipedia editor and is from India. I have also lived and taught in India. I am sure that with his help you will be able to get the article up to scratch, and have the tags removed. You'll do fine - just remember to log in each time you edit. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:43, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Editor review/TheGeneralUser (2) Your review is required and will be greatly appreciated :)

Hi Kudpung ! I have started my second editor review at Wikipedia:Editor review/TheGeneralUser (2). I will be greatly delighted, thankful and valued to have your review for me regarding my editing and possible candidate for Adminship. I see you also evaluate possible candidates for Adminship as you had chosen to do so on Wikipedia:Request an RfA nomination, so do evaluate me too! As you are a experienced and long term Wikipedian so i have asked for your kind review. Take your time to review my editing and give the best review that you can :). Feel free to ask me any questions you would like to on the review page itself. It will be a great honor to have you review me for which I will truly feel appreciated and helpful! I always work to improve Wikipedia and make it a more better place to be for Everyone :). Regards and Happy Editing! TheGeneralUser (talk) 19:15, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

A bowl of strawberries for you!

thank you for understanding Harishrawat11 (talk) 01:31, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome. We're all here to help :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:33, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Adoption

Would you be willing to adopt me? I want to learn more about PERM and All types of vandalism so i can become a CVUA instructor,--Anderson - What's up? 05:43, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

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I've decided to stop clerking. Anderson - What's up? 05:44, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

PERM2

The reason i decided to stop clerking is because now i realize it isn't really appropriate if admins are watching the PERM pages.--Anderson - What's up? 06:18, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

There's' not really a lot to learn about PERM beyond reading the descriptions of the tools/user rights on their respective home pages, and you don't really need to know anyway becuse you won't be ready for adminship for a very long time, and when you are, you'll know already by then. I'd like you also to stay away from requests for page protection too for the same reason, except for making request there, but please don't go overboard on that either - again like at PERM, most requests there are declined because page protection is not a silver bullet; it's done by admins after closely analysing the situation on the pages that might need to be protected.

I'm afraid I don't have enough time to mentor anyone at the moment because I'm very tied up with my own content work, looking after the pages we've discussed, and helping to develop other major solutions. Nevertheless, you are always most welcome to come here if you have any questions or need some advice. If you want to enter a full scale adoption programme, do check out the page at Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user. Good luck! Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:37, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

However, I'll still be watching your edits and I'll jump in with help and advice from time to to time. The first one is why you ignored this before adding your comment. Have you read the advice yet in your AN/I? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:27, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Yes.--Anderson - What's up? 02:32, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

I unintentionally Added something to an IP's request at perm/c. I did remember not to, When Riley Huntly said at AN i had declined an IP's request due to the Mediawiki software not allowing anyone to add user rights for an IP editor.--Anderson - What's up? 02:33, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Anderson, from my view, you are failing to get the point. It is not about the why you closed the request, this is about you abusing the communities trust when you specially said you wouldn't. Besides, you made two edits to close that request, with the second edit you could have reverted your closure and mentioned at the AN/I that you forgot and accidently made the edit. Saying you unintentionally made the edit is not helping your situation nor the communities trust. -- Cheers, Riley Huntley _talk 02:51, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Since this discussion is now about Anderson's AN/I, please move any further comments to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive239#Rollback. -- Cheers, Riley Huntley _talk 02:58, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

I will. I'm halfway between - and I have sleep problems. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:22, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

You also 'unitentionally' closed part of an ANI discussion. What people are saying is that you should stay away from alladmin areas. That mans also PERM, RPP, and commenting in areas where you yourself have insufficient knowledge and exprience, and that includes CVUA too. You also need to learn how to format talk page threads properly.There comes a time when it gets disruptive if editors have to follow you around the site and put right what you do wrong even if it was in good faith. If you don't start making an effort to follow the advice you have been given and agreed to, you'll end up being banned from those areas, and eventually blocked completely from Wikipedia. No one wants that to happen, least of all you, and we're all trying to help you understand. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:58, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

I've decided rollback is unnecessary for me to have since i can revert vandalism at the same speed with twinkle.--Anderson - What's up? 03:01, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Anderson, this is clearly no longer about rollback, it is about your actions and how they are affecting everyone else. If you would have just apologized [above], this discussion would be going a whole different way. I suggest you follow the above advice. -- Cheers, Riley Huntley _talk 03:11, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

I am going to start following advice.--Anderson - What's up? 03:12, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

That's about six time you've said that in the last 48 hours - have you forgotten that? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:19, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

I must have forgotten that. I'm am not going to edit around these areas because i don't want to be topic banned.--Anderson - What's up? 03:29, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

• I have suggested a plan of action for Anderson at his talk page. Assuming he agrees, I believe this should help sort things. Worm^TT(talk) 09:31, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks enormously for chiming in Dave. (what happened to the message I sent you asking you to take a look?) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:44, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

I've had a look at a few things recently after you requested it, but this user didn't fall into that category... perhaps it didn't save properly? We're quite lucky that he lives in New Zealand, there's a lot of articles in that area which could do with expansion or are missing all together. Turnbull Thomson Park was just the first landmark I saw when looking at the city on a map, and it looks like it's got a decent bit of history :) Worm^TT(talk) 09:27, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

He's going to have to be very careful - everything that was discussed on the recent AN was only the tip of the iceberg. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:14, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Hopefully, if his interests are steered away from clerking admin areas and towards areas he can dive in at, all will be well with the world. Unfortunately, from a timezone perspective, I'm not going to be much use - by the time I wake up in the morning he's been going all night... and if he does muck up, I won't be around to help out. Worm^TT(talk) 10:18, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

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A brownie for you!

for asking sesame to help me Harishrawat11 (talk) 11:32, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

A brownie for you!

Sorry for my user canvasses. I understand that I'm not as of yet ready for those user rights, and will come back later, without my canvass. Please except one of my homemade brownie as an apology. TBrandley 02:46, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

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Aicap123 block evasion

Morning Kudpung. Following their transgression on Wednesday morning, User:Aicap123 is likely evading the block as User:14.102.118.42: history, diff, diff, and diff. Since there's a backlog at SPI, it seems reasonable to avoid introducing obvious and unnecessary cases where possible. Thanks, Mephistophelian (talk) 10:36, 6 September 2012 (UTC).

IPs can't upload files. IPs blocked and user reblocked.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:57, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the update Kudpung, I'll monitor the List of recognised political parties in India from 6 October when the protection expires. Best, Mephistophelian (talk) 10:12, 8 September 2012 (UTC).

Please protect/fix this page

it looks like someone keeps adding puff to this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boston_University_people I am an alumnus

Not enough recent activity to justify page protection but several of us have it on our watchlists and you are welcome to do the fixes yourself. There are also a couple of other colleges with inflated alumni lists that need close attention - do let me know if you see recent unsourced additions to those. Thanks for your vigilance. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:39, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations!

You have been added to my friends list. Why don't you visit the list and read the two bullets at the top? I have added you because you have demonstrated to very friendly and courteous around me and I have seen you around meaning I have had the opportunity to evaluate you. I consider my friends to be kind, helpful, and clueful.—cyberpower ^Chat_{Limited Access} 17:24, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

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CVUA

It would be good to be an instructor, But I'm concerned they won't accept me for ignoring instructions not clerk anywhere.--Anderson - What's up? 21:59, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

That's right. For the moment you've lost the community's confidence that you can really do anything that requires responsibility. It's not just about your refusing to stop clerking admin areas - what you have demonstrated is that you don't follow advice in general, so you're not in a position to give any to anyone else. Do take Worm's advice and don't be impatient to want to take on tasks that you are not ready for. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:06, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

How long do you think i should wait before seeing if i can be an instructor?--Anderson - What's up? 22:17, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

At least six months if not longer - or even wait until you are older. Best to put the idea completely out of your head until then. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:44, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Plan of action

I said Here that i am going to follow the plan left on my TP.--Anderson - What's up? 23:05, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

So follow it then, and don't keep asking questions about what you have already been told and already know, or you'll soon find yourself getting no help or advice from anybody at all.. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:13, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Re

I apologize for the same. Never thought it would become so messy. Harsh (talk) 06:34, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

RE: confirmation status - Jacob Foreman

Please watch for an administrator's decision on the WP:PERM page. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:54, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism and Rollback Rights?

Hi, How does one determine another users sufficient counter vandalism activity when they request rollback rights please? Thanks --JetBlast (talk) 18:51, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

It's assessed by looking at the overall number of edits, the number of correct vs. incorrect manual counter-vandalism reverts. However, an admin's decision to grant the tool is also .based on many other criteria. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:03, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Editor Review/Eventual RFA

Hello Kudpung. I read that you were willing to consider nominating editors for adminship. I tried an editor review, but a few weeks later, nothing has happened and I considered self-nominating my self for RFA with the intention of getting some feedback/constructive criticism, but I felt like that was somewhat disingenuous so I decided to ask a user willing to consider nominating people for RFA. I know right off the bat my edit count is low, but recently (the past month or so) I have gotten much more involved and hope to stay that way. So if you wouldn't mind taking a minute to give me some feedback, I would really appreciate it. Thanks in advance. Go Phightins! (talk) 03:25, 8 September 2012 (UTC) (I'm watching your page so no need for talkback)

Good morning. I'm looking into this for you. In the meantime check this out and see how you fare, and read WP:Advice for RfA candidates and follow all the links in the article and its footnotes. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:07, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

I've done a few quick checks of your editing history. If you have followed the links I gave you above and read everything meticulously, I'm sure you will understand why you will not be ready for adminship any time yet. Running for adminship just to obtain feedback would be see in very bad light and may compromise a future run. You'll probably find also that you have not really made enough contributions yet for anyone to be able to apply any metrics to your editor review. I would suggest that you read our policies on article creation, especially WP:N, and if you read WP:NPP carefully and WP:DELETION, you may wish to help out on new page patrol, but stay away from any contentious maintenance and admin areas until you have a lot more experience. You might also like to check out the work that the people do at the CVU, and if you get good enough at it you may be able to apply for Rollback rights. If you need help or advice at any time, don't hesitate to ask me. Happy editing! Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:29, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I read the advice before asking you, and that's exactly why I didn't self-nom...I've been doing NPP for a few months now. I'll check out the counter-vandalism unit, wasn't familiar with it. Thanks. Go Phightins! (talk) 10:12, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Redundant butting-in, no doubt: many editors at RfA require significant article creation and contribution. Just patrolling, even if someone has done a lot of it, is rarely considered enough. Good luck. (And: hey Kudpung, how you doing?) Drmies (talk) 23:32, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Fine thanks :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:25, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

WP:PERM/R

I've added a request there, But there has been no activity there since then except for the archiving. Could you take a look Please?--Calm As Midnight 03:31, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi. There is absolutely no urgency for having the use of the tools that are granted at PERM. You can rest assured that plenty of admins have those pages on their watch lists and will get around to it soon. Remember also that a great many active admins live in very different time zones across the globe - me for example ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:41, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

WP:PERM/C

Hi Kudpung,

Regarding this comment by an IP, I'm concerned Anderson is clerking by editing anonymously. Could you look into this matter? Cheers, --Calm As Midnight 21:33, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Anderson got himself blocked by using that IP to clerk at the admin areas.--Calm As Midnight 21:59, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

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I think the new ANI it totally supefluos and should be closed to save wasting more admin time and attracting unnecessary comments to the board from univolved non admins. There's also a new issue that I will expose later. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:34, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

I agree. this issue is going too far.--Calm As Midnight 23:38, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Forgive me for saying so, but with only 200 edits, I think you should stay out of it (and all admin areas) unless you are directly involved - that kind of messing around is what got Anderson where he is now. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:44, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

I'll start contributing around these areas when i've been here for about 6 months.--Calm As Midnight 23:53, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Please also stay away from page patrolling until you have read WP:NPP and WP:DELETION and fully understood them. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:58, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Note that the above user is a checkuser-confirmed sock of Anderson himself. Reaper Eternal (talk) 01:17, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

I know, I know :) and there's more to come. Just hang on. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:36, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

See: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Scottdelaney1067. I don't know if the CU will accept this, but I feel a sock report should go on record. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:02, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

OK, well it's at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Anderson. Looks like someone else had a quicker connection than mine although mine was more detailed and listed the sockmaster. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:42, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Timeshift9 (2nd nomination)

Hi Kudpung. Because you participated in Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User page breaching wikipedia policies, you may be interested in Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Timeshift9 (2nd nomination). Cunard (talk) 06:11, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	What an outstanding admin! Yeknom Dnalsli (expound your voicebox here) 09:53, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Wow! Thanks! What on earth did I do to deserve it? :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:57, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

You deserve it because...well the barnstar explains it. Yeknom Dnalsli (expound your voicebox here) 09:59, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Non-admin "speedy deletion decline" policy or guideline?

Hi Kudpung,
For starters, yep, I am very well aware that I should be editing en.wp's core content rather than hanging round at WP:NPP. That said, I've found a little niche there. I'm often frustrated with WP:CSD tagging for articles that don't meet the CSD criteria. I've looked all over the place, but can't find a specific policy or guideline that allows non-admins to decline CSDs. (Apart from Wikipedia:Ignore all rules of course, which I think should be re-named "Wikipedia:Ignore one rule".)
Could you possibly point me to a policy or guideline that may cover non-admin speedy deletion declines? --Shirt58 (talk) 11:53, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Any editor in good standing can remove an incorrectly applied CSD tag and/or change the criterion, and warn the patroller. That's why those functions are available to all users in Twinkle with a CSD-Decline template in the drop down Twinkle menu and warning messages. There's no need to cite a policy because there probably isn't one, but you might like to check out WP:DELETION and WP:CSD to save me looking for you . Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:01, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Non-admins may contest speedy deletions that are done improperly. At the end of the day, a CSD tag is just a template, although it may have bigger ramifications. Twinkle doesn't always mark the page as patrolled, so I take a look at it, and on occasion, when I find an incorrect CSD tag, I'll contest it using the CSD Helper Script. Hope this helped, Electric Catfish 00:10, 10 September 2012 (UTC).

In some circumstances, I could easily envision myself replacing a CSD tag - lets say A7 - with a PROD tag, or even nominating it for deletion at AfD. CSD-A7 is only for articles on living beings (i.e. individual people or animals), organizations, or web content where there is no assertion of notability whatsoever. If notability is asserted but the claims are not credible, and there are no reliable sources backing them up (this excludes self-published sources), then I would be inclined to add a PROD tag on the basis that I highly doubt it would survive AfD. Then of course, there are new articles in which notability is asserted, there are reliable sources, but someone still slaps a CSD tag on it. I'd be bold and remove it because it clearly does meet the threshold for an acceptable article, at least on face value (whether it would survive at AfD, who knows until it's nominated). Kurtis (talk) 01:47, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

This discussion is now closed. Thanks everyone for your input. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:51, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you

Could you please permanently semi-protect it? I do not wish another incident like this to occur again. Cheers! Rory ^Talk 13:16, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Rory ^Talk 13:20, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

 Done. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:21, 9 September 2012 (UTC)