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Sanity check: is someone perhaps starting a sock farm?

Take a look at the history of Regina Maris (schooner). There's a whole bunch of accounts which show up in January/February and do nothing but do one or two edits to this article. And now [one of them] goes on to participate in a bunch of AFDs, including one in the Sarkarverse which like a lot of guru-centric articles has people popping out of the woodwork to oppose deletions or mergers. Am I off-base to be paranoid about this? Mangoe (talk) 13:59, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Probably. Looks like some school class or something (in Norway?) who decided or were asked to improve the boat article. One has decided to continue, which is more than most such efforts result in. Johnbod (talk) 14:15, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I thought of something like that too. I'll keep an eye on them for a bit anyway. Mangoe (talk) 14:34, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure at all about one of them. Dougweller (talk) 06:01, 4 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Overcategorization

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Known Fact; Cyrus Cylinder is corroborated by Nabonidus Chronicle + Cyrus Panegyric + Historians' Accounts + Religious Texts

Dougweller,

This is a known fact that Cyrus Cylinder is historically correlated by Nabonidus Chronicle, Cyrus Panegyric, and historians account such as Herodotus and Xenophon. Plus, it corroborates with various instances in the Bible, i.e. Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and Daniel. The first two sources are Historical and Archaeological accounts at once, you cannot argue their veracity, the Bible is religious, yet you cannot reject what is written in it; it basically calls 'Cyrus the Great', a 'Messiah'; this is by all means the utmost reverence for a human being by at least 3 world religions, who consider the Bible a sacred text.

Also please try and understand the semantics here, there is difference between a 'biography' and a book called "The Ancient World: 'Dictionary' of World Biography" (which is also used as a source in various Wiki articles such as, 'Ancient Greece', 'Ashurbanipal', 'Damnatio ad bestias, etc.). In any case, 'Biographies' may also be used as references in Wikipedia, FYI, and there is no problem in that. Nevertheless we are not citing any 'biography' or 'world biography' here, but a 'Dictionary', and you cannot cancel the reliability of this book, just because its title contains the phrase 'world biography'. Thanks. Armaiti (talk) 06:44, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Eilat Mazar page update

Hey Dougweller, I wanted to thank you for your feedback on the Eilat Mazar wiki page I put up yesterday. Perhaps "overhaul" was not the right word in describing the updates - what Eilat really wanted me to put up was a more complete list of her publications and a more accurate description of her excavations and committees she belongs to - e.g. she is not a "senior fellow" for the Shalem Center, as the older article states. Since the original article was put up, many excavations have taken place at the Ophel, and Eilat wanted a description of them on the site, along with the earlier Achziv excavations. As you mentioned, the references to "Dr." and "Prof." have now been changed. But perhaps the biggest thing you mentioned was with the bias of the article - I apologize for that. I have gone back into the old page and reinserted all of the counter-comments from other archaeologists. I do not mean to start any conflict of interest battles on this page, merely just to provide an updated biography of Eilat and her excavation activities. My thanks again for your assistance, please let me know if anything else may be done to improve the article. C.k.eames http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dougweller&action=edit&section=new# — Preceding unsigned comment added by C.k.eames (talk • contribs) 12:59, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nalanda article

Hello, This is in response to your reversal of my edit to the Nalanda page. I understand that measures must be in place to prevent WP being used for promotional purposes. However, I'd like to draw attention to the changing landscape of the publishing (in fact, any content production) world today. The whole idea of the Internet is to be able to evaluate material democratically and ensure that the power to produce is not held by a closely guarded elite monopoly. I believe that sites like Google and Wikipedia should support those who strike out a path against major companies. Wikipedia should base its decisions on the reception of creative works amongst the public, such as in reviews and other online sources. I have seen a good many books published by reputed publishers (Penguin for instance) to compare poorly to some indie titles. This is a time when indie authors are trying to make it on their own, refusing to tread the groove and accept the terms of the big houses. The Internet should do what it can to support them.

Trying to impose an arbitrary clamp on self-produced content, just because it is self-produced, is bad. Material should be evaluated for its status amongst peers as evidenced by online reviews and its reception. Not allowing a citation of a self-published work with good reviews while allowing a citation from a Random House book with poor reviews is like Google refusing to index Wikipedia because it was not endorsed by Brittanica. Surely, we've come a long way from those dark days?

The book I cited from is available at reputed libraries (http://www.worldcat.org/title/i-am-not-a-buddhist/oclc/809387576). I'd be happy to create a page for the book at some point in the future.

Thanks.

GvH

Actually we do what you say we should do. See WP:SPS, WP:USERG and WP:BK. Dougweller (talk) 17:18, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
So it's ok to undo the reversal then? Ironically it was because of the book that I was motivated to look up Nalanda in Wikipedia!

Gvonhousen (talk) 19:09, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'd still say no, unless she's clearly an expert on translation - I'm also not sure that we can quote a whole poem in any case - copyright issues. Dougweller (talk) 19:21, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Dating conventions

Hello Dougweller: Thanks for your note concerning the revert of my recent edit. I have recently been editing a number of articles related to ancient Rome, and had not seen this particular emphasis on Common Era dating to any great degree. Certainly not the forced attempt at common era dating evident at this particular article. In a brief, and incomplete, review of past edits, it appears that most of these changes took place (roughly) 9 months ago. At that time, the section header "Early Christian Era" was changed to "Common Era" and so forth. If there is a WP:ERA violation, it may have taken place at that time. But I certainly won't know that until I do more reading, and review the Talk page comments. I got sidetracked from that effort when I noticed the dangling reference to monsoons. That, in turn, had me reading up on the Aksumite Kingdom (which the Roman traders had to pass through) and their effective use of monsoon winds in these trade routes. So forgive my sloppy half edit to the dating issue, and my incomplete response to your kind note. I'll try to complete the review of past edits, to see if I or someone else come up short with the WP:ERA oversight. Gulbenk (talk) 18:58, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't looked in depth. Funny, I've been working on the Aksum article - where I've had a bit of a problem with an editor who doesn't like anything that looks like Western research. Dougweller (talk) 19:21, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There we go...great minds running in the same ditch! Hope your Aksum editor doesn't look too closely at the roman trade article, as well. I probably won't be researching the Aksumite Empire to the same depth, but if I run into anything interesting (in some obscure corner), I would be most happy to share. Gulbenk (talk) 19:30, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Donald Panther-Yates for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Donald Panther-Yates is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Donald Panther-Yates until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 01:18, 28 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Intervention needed at Aligarh Muslim University!

Hi! Well, Sir I needed your intervention at Aligarh Muslim University, in this section! Here's the Article's History! The user TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom is not behaving normally, he reverted edits many times! The dispute is on the List of notable Aligarh Muslim University alumnies! This is the List_of_notable_Aligarh_Muslim_University_alumnies#Heads_of_State_and_Government table that was added to the main article, but this edit was reverted by the user TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom in multiple edits, with the objection of un-referenced content, You can have a view on the page's history! I was also contacted on my Talk page here here. After it, I searched for the references, and found them, put them on the list, and then copied the table on the main Aligarh University Article! But now, he is again reverting others edits, with the objection of "duplication" He says that the table cannot be on two pages, i.e. Aligarh Muslim University and List_of_notable_Aligarh_Muslim_University_alumnies#Heads_of_State_and_Government table at the same time. Please Intervene! I just want to put the table in the main University article, it will not be a copyright violation, as it was in this revision! Faizan (talk) 13:39, 28 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have also reported this user in the three revert rule violation! So please have a look at conflict!Faizan (talk) 13:37, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Request...

Mr. Dougweller, I am Dr. K A Paul's assistant and owing that 90% of the information that Wikipedia is publishing about Dr. K A Paul is wrong and is written in a libellous way, we want all information about Dr. K A Paul to be remove from Wikipedia, the entire page that talks Dr. K A Paul we want to be delete from this website... I have tried to provide to Wikipedia the right information about Dr. Paul, by editing and posting the right information and trying to correct all the false information on it, but Wikipedia keeps changing it to their own way, giving to the public wrong information by slandering Dr. K A Paul... You are obviously one of Wikipedia editors and not just a person from the general public providing Wikipedia with information, is obvious to me that you have orders from your bosses to keep Dr. K A Paul's page in a certain way and obviously gossip sales more than the real facts, I can provide all documentation needed to prove that I am Dr. K A Paul's assitant, ( I have been his assitant for more than 10 years) and I can provide all documentation needed to prove that almost all information that Wikipedia is publishing about Dr. K A Paul is false and wrong. Is obvious to me that Wikipedia is not a public forum as they are trying to show to the public, yes anybody can adit Wikipedia articles but right away Wikepedia own editors will change all information back to their own way, I am telling this for my own experience as I have edited Wikipedia articles and right away all information that I have posted is deleted by one of Wikipedia own editors, ( and the information I have posted is factual and I posted it in a respectful way as well) but however is deleted by one of Wikipedia own editors, therefore the best is to remove all and each one of the articles that talks about Dr. K A Paul on this website, as Dr. K A Paul doesn't need any of Wikipedia articles talking and or gossiping about him, and I am making this statement as Dr. K A Paul's assistant and representative on this matter.

Sincerely NCJM — Preceding unsigned comment added by NCJM (talk • contribs) 02:12, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) Hi NCJM, I'm also an admin here at Wikipedia. I took a look at K. A. Paul, and the other editor was correct to remove the information. The problem is, you can't just come here and say "I know him, I know what's true, so I'm changing it." Wikipedia relies on drawing information from reliable sources. You can probably see why this is necessary: otherwise, anyone could come here and just claim to be related to a subject, and say anything they wanted. This is explained in our policy on verifiability. Additionally, neither Dougweller, nor the other editors on K.A.Paul, nor anyone here, work for the Wikimedia Foundation (the private charity that runs Wikipedia). We're all just volunteers, trying to follow policies as best as we can.
If you work for Paul, then you may be able to help us. Do you know of reliable sources that support what you're trying to add? If so, we can use those to support changing or adding to the article. When two sources contradict each other, we usually show both pieces of information. I'd be glad to help you with all of the formatting and fidgeting it takes to get things inputted right.
Lastly, I do have to let you know that we won't be able to delete the page. Paul is clearly notable, and we don't remove pages just because the subject of the page doesn't like what's in it. Really, that's exactly the same as a newspaper, or book, or even a paper encyclopedia: you can't call up the company and tell them what their publication has to say. But, like I said, I and I'm sure Dougweller are willing to help you if you can provide us the sources we need. Qwyrxian (talk) 15:35, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, this is now at WP:BLPN Dougweller (talk) 16:30, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Reference desk

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Zaza people.

Hello, can i ask you why you protected the page and put them as the Zaza Kurds?, they are not Kurds, it even says in the history about them that they are not Kurds. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HistoryofIran (talk • contribs) 17:05, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've explained why on the talk page. Edit-warring is not a good way to write articles, nor is using sources that don't meet our criteria or that don't actually have anything to do with the text they are supposedly sourcing. You all need to work out your differences on the article talk page. Dougweller (talk) 17:11, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Doug, good luck with your admin work on this article. I tried to investigate the topic once. It seems there is a split among the people who speak the Zaza language as to whether they should consider themselves Kurds. Probably the best we can hope to do is to reflect the conflicting opinions of the sources. EdJohnston (talk) 17:28, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
And stop the edit warring. I've made a note on the talk page about sourcing - someone's been moving sources around, some sources are not at all RS, many needed more information, not just a link to a Google page. Dougweller (talk) 17:33, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Revdel

Hi Doug, yes, if you would be so kind: [1] and [2]. No need to go to oversight with this. Thank you! §FreeRangeFrogcroak 21:47, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Awesome fast, thanks again! §FreeRangeFrogcroak 22:00, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Odd: this and this are related to changes -- copy the edit to clipboard, revdel, paste, abridge, save -- that I'd vaguely intended to make myself. A message on my user talk page today prompted me to go ahead and do it, but I thereupon found that my intended changes had been preempted. ¶ I'll add that I would have done all of this as a courtesy. Though I see the term "outing" used, WP:OUTING tells us: references to still-existing, self-disclosed information is not considered outing. And this was still-existing, self-disclosed information. -- Hoary (talk) 06:19, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Point taken. Did you want me to do something about this? Or leave it? Dougweller (talk) 06:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No, it's all fine, thanks. My two messages have probably served their purpose and needn't be visible any more; if I was charged with "outing" then I'm no longer being charged with it. All's well, from my PoV. -- Hoary (talk) 06:49, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This one AfD discussion

Do you know what happens next at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hazrat Sayed Mehboob Ali Shah Chishti Nizami? I'm not trying to push further discussion, but I really don't know where to go from here. As the nominator, can you function as the closer? Can a non-admin function as a closer? Despite editing Wikipedia for more than six years, I honestly still don't know much about the process. MezzoMezzo (talk) 05:18, 4 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No one who has participated can close it. If there were no conflicting !votes, anyone could close it. In this case I'd say any experienced editor, or of course an Admin, could as the one !Keep is clearly not going to count. I'll have more comments later today as there is an issue about how long it should be kept open. Dougweller (talk) 05:50, 4 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Enthusiastic moderator.

Doug, I am sure you are enthusiastic about wikipedia, and it gives you a sense of importancy, to edit other peoples input. However you, and others are doing wrong, and lately you claimed I was "promoting" something, and said wikipedia is not for promoting this or that, and that my talk post, was "using wikipedia as a forum". "it is only for improving the article". If you lack the capacity, to understand that I am sharing from 10++ yrs of research, and that must include an URL to the work, and that my post indeed, is far beyond just improving the article, it is about research that is fundamental enough, to change how people generally view "God", you need to understand that I post it in the talk section, as people can read the research, and consider the whole, and rewrite a quite different article. This is just a correct way of doing things. Maybe you should try and be less enthustastic and try to understand the point of why people do what they do. And everyone cannot explain all little things to you at any time. This is a problem with Wikipedia.

Peace Be With You.

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