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How do I search?

How can I find all WP:GA good articles with a certain string in it? The instructions at help didn't work Help:search and the guy at the other desk didn't know how. 142.161.147.7 (talk) 01:47, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

what to do about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:John

'User:John' keeps undoing edits to the Multiple Intelligences page that are valid edits and making false accusations about personal opinion when no opinions were given in the article and no citation required to correct NPOV issues. Many people have cited neutral point of view on the Talk page but John does not allow the needed correction to take place . . . what do we do about 'User:John'?Stmullin (talk) 23:34, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Stmullin, and welcome. I do not understand the content of the article, however I have reviewed the talk page discussion and the editor is asking you to provide sources to support an argument. This seems to be a reasonable request. It also appears that the content dispute is between the two of you. I recommend you continue the discussion at the talk page and seek consensus. There are dispute resolution options available to you if you can't reach agreement. I hope this has been of some help to you. Flat Out let's discuss it 00:11, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Stmullin. I have looked through the page's history, and I don't see that John has a history of undoing the edits of others. I do see that he undid a group of edits in which you placed many different tags in the article. Now I see that you have added the same citation to the titles of many of the sections instead of adding the citations after the sentences that they support, and that John is helpfully moving them to the appropriate places. —Anne Delong (talk) 01:08, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

How do I edit to make more acceptable for Wik? and how do I post positive comments?

I have used Wikipedia for years now, and I think it is the best thing around. I donate regularly. I have posted my one contribution... "Fractional Currency Shield", because it apparently was unknown to the world at large, although known to all us Fractional collectors. On the listing it says that it may be removed because of incomplete content. How can I clean it up and make it bombproof? I have a shield, and hope to post a picture sometime, but have not figured that out yet. Not for sale... Sorry. Lee Radarcarve (talk) 22:19, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Radarcarve, and thanks for asking. I recommend you read WP:Your first article, to get an idea of what we look for in an article. I agree that the topic sounds as if it should be notable; but ideally you should find more than one source for it, and should reference all the specific information in the article to particular places in the source, rather than one catch-all reference at the end. (The reason is that Wikipedia being free for anybody to edit, it is important that the reader who is concerned to get the facts right can find out from the article where to go to check what the article says).
As for positive comments, I'm not sure what you mean. Wikipedia is not a social networking site, and so does not have 'like' buttons. But if you appreciate what somebody has done, you can leave them a message - or a cookie or a barnstar - on their talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 22:43, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Lee and welcome to the Teahouse! The article Fractional Currency Shield is currently not being considered for deletion. However the messages at the top of the article are alerts to say there are some problems with the article.
Firstly, your article is what we call an Orphan, which means no other pages on Wikipedia link to it. The network of wikilinks is what helps people navigate the encylopedia, so it is important articles link to each other. You seem to have some expertise in this area, so please do go to articles you would expect to have links to Fractional Currency Shield and add them. The source code for doing this is quite simple, and can be found at Help:Wikilinks#Wikilinks. If you are using the Visual Editor, this should hopefully be relatively straightforward. Be bold in adding links! No-one owns articles on Wikipedia, whether you created an article or not, you have just as much right to edit it as the next editor. Errors are easy to reverse, and if you need help, please come straight back here :)
The second issue with Fractional Currency Shield is a more general one. We use the term "needing cleanup" to mean general problems with the article. The most major issue is that the article contains no references. Wikipedia aims to have all of its content verifiable to an external reliable source. We don't want articles to contain any original research. Our main way of doing this is by adding inline citations for each asserted fact. May I point you towards Help:Referencing for beginners?
Otherwise, all articles on Wikipedia are a work in progress, so don't worry if this article isn't perfect yet. Your desire to improve Wikipedia is a great one, keep it up! ;) Please let us at the Teahouse know if we can be of any help to you in this. Cheers, --LukeSurl t c 22:49, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

How do you do it? CakeRox (talk) 21:00, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

To change link colors, you do (with the double brackets) {Font color|color|[link]}. Hope that helped. :) --PhoenixFire contribs 21:33, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

CVU Graduate

I would like to take the CV training program. How can I do to take it? Miss Bono [zootalk]☆ 16:25, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Miss Bono. You can find out about the Counter-Vandalism Unit Academy at shortcut WP:CVUA. Good luck! Cullen328 Let's discuss it 21:25, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What happened to my user page?

I logged on to wikipedia today to find my user page and user talk page deleted. I looked at the requests for deletion page and other deletion related pages, but I couldn't find anything about who deleted my page. As far as I can see, there was nothing wrong with either of my pages. Can you find out who deleted my pages, and see if you could restore them as they were? Thanks!-Badger2424 (talk)Badger2424 (talk) 15:45, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

They are still there. Your user page is at User:Badger2424, and your user talk page is at User talk:Badger2424. I've double-checked and you have no deleted contributions, which means that no page you have ever contributed to has been deleted. There is also no entry in the deletion log for either page, which means they were not deleted and then subsequently restored. I think you must've been looking in the wrong place. --(ʞɿɐʇ) ɐuɐʞsǝp 15:47, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hello and welcome to the teahouse. I see nothing wrong with your user page. Everything seems to be in the right place. I also checked its History and nothing seemed to be wrong. Miss Bono [zootalk]☆ 15:48, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Need suggestions for citations of Notablity

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Toru_Oba&oldid=564359544 Hi I wrote my first article and I am having difficulty establishing notability. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.Jay.ivey (talk) 14:52, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Jay. You need to find reliable independent sources - such as newspapers and magazines, or scholarly journals - that discuss the subject in some depth. They don't have to be online or in English (though if they are, this makes things easier), as long as there is enough information for a reader to find the reference, say by going to a library. If you cannot find such references, then the subject is not currently notable, and there may not be an article in Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 17:36, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hey Jay, I am rather glad you asked this for a number of reasons, I will attempt to answer your questionb with a few examples. IF a person got a college degree and is the manager of the bus depot in a small town, NOT a notable person. HOWEVER, if the bus depot was the scene of some huge disaster that wipes out an entire town AND it was the managers fault, NOW the person is notable. If the person sang with a famous rock group because the drummer collapsed from a drug OD, and they sprang up from the audience and played the person from the audience is NOT notable. BUT if the guy from the audience who did that became a famous rock group member, YES, they are notable. Notability is governed well by wiki definition, BUT it must be used with a dose of realism as the literal interpretation can lerad down the path of confusion.Coal town guy (talk) 18:14, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Conflict of Interest?

My father-in-law has introduced me to a former member of a 1960's English band (that does fit the notablity standards for bands - they hit the top ten in Germany and Spain, as well a doing the theme music for a popular TV show.) The gentleman has asked me, because of my history degree and research experience, to put together an article about his band, since there isn't one. However, I'm concerned that because I actually know him in real life, the I would be violating the Conflict of Interest rules. I know that asking for the article to be created is an option, but he is looking for faster results than I anticipate we would get. I guess ultimately, I need a more experienced editor to talk to about several issues with this, but the conflict of interest issue is first and formost.

--Kritical Hit (talk) 02:40, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello and welcome to the TeaHouse. The main issue with a WP:COI is that you declare it. I'd go ahead with the article anyway, but add a note on the talk page about the COI. You'll probably be fine unless the band is about to re-launch or as a new album in the pipeline. Stuartyeates (talk) 02:48, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Kritical Hit. There are varying degrees of conflict of interest, and it is good that you have declared yours. Construed very broadly, all of us have a conflict of interest because we edit things that interest us and ignore those that don't. When advancing the specific interest becomes more important than building a neutrally written, well referenced encyclopedia covering notable topics, then you have a problem. Financial interests are especially problematic. If the former band member is paying you to write the article, then you will probably be highly motivated to paint the band in the most favorable light possible. All our articles should summarize what the range of reliable sources say about a topic. If many professional critics said the band's second album was inferior to their first, then the article should reflect that, even if you think the former member of the band is a fine fellow. I hope my comments help. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:09, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Wrong operator" in the map-location section

I saw there is an error on a map-location section of an article I was working on. Anyone can help, or just show me a link how to fix it. The article is "janjevo". Thanks! Mondiad (talk) 01:01, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Green tickY Hey Mondiad, thanks for your question. I fixed up the template. The issue was that the coordinates for latitude and longitude were empty, so it blurted out some formatting nonsense instead of placing a pin on the correct location. I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 01:35, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

create a page about Alejandra Amarilla Nash regarding her documentary, "Landfil Harmonic"

I wanted a page created for Alejandra, but getting contributions of others. She is the x wife of basketball star Steve Nash and in Wiki is only known as that. Her contribution in producing this documentary about children in her home country of Paraguay making musical instruments out of trash and creating an orchestra needs to be known. I can copy/paste newspaper articles and give the author, like Evan Triantafilidis for The Republic/azcentral.com on 7-13-2013. Perhaps others would join in with some of Alejandra's history that isn't just about Steve Nash. Is there enough room here to paste that article? User ID Larsripstop184.101.1.57 (talk) 21:03, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Lars, and welcome to the Teahouse. I was impressed by that documentary, and I think it is very likely that the producer meets the "notability" test to have an article about her in Wikipedia: your mentioning that you have newsaper articles about her confirms that.
Are you willing to have a go at writing the article? If so, I recommend you look at the WP:Article wizard, which will help you get started, and create the article in a place where you can work on it until you think it is ready for review. If not, you could that somebody else write an article at WP:Requested articles. I might be sufficiently interested to have a go myself; but if you could tell me the sources you have found, that would be helpful (again, don't copy the source, but put the information that will help me find it on my talk page, Talk:ColinFine.
One important point is that you should not paste articles from newspapers into Wikipedia, as that is a copyright violation. What we do instead is to 'cite' the article, with bibliographic information so that the readers could find it if they wanted to. If the source (newspaper) is available online, so much the better, and we give a link as part of the citation; but that is not essential. --ColinFine (talk) 22:48, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, there are some limited circumstances in which content from newspapers can be copied to Wikipedia. These are 1) You wrote the newspaper content yourself and are willing to release it under this license, 2) it was written before 1923 or 3) The author grants permission to use the newspaper content under the aforementioned license. King Jakob C2 22:54, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sure this doesn't need to be said, but if you can only follow Colin's advice and King Jakob's doesn't apply, you summarize the article in your own words.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 18:47, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

request about new article

I have created an article vithal venkatesh kamath. plz verify and suggest necessary changes Svpnikhil (talk) 13:35, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Although I would be delighted to help, did you submit your article to WP:AfC before simply publishing the article onto the Wikipedia main space? If not, I would suggest doing so. If you have, please link me to the article. --JustBerry (talk) 13:40, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
JustBerry, I think this is the article: Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation/Vithal_Venkatesh_Kamath. I replied to an earlier question by Svpnikhil on this, its a few questions down just fyi. Mdebellis (talk) 13:45, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Welcome back to the teahouse Svpnikhil. To start with I would strongly encourage you to get more experience as a Wikipedia editor before you try to create a new article. There is a lot you can do on Wikipedia without creating new articles. I was an editor for well over three years before I created my first new article. You can add references, clean up text, etc. But if you still want to create a new article the place to start is this article: Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation Keep in mind that Wikipedia is run almost entirely by people like you and me who are just volunteers and at times you may need to wait for a while to get feedback on your new article. That is one reason I suggest making some more basic edits to existing articles first, it will get you more experience with the way Wikipedia works. I took another quick look at your article -- I'm assuming its this one: Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation/Vithal_Venkatesh_Kamath You still don't have references that I can see and the question of wp:notability is still a big issue. Here is an example of someone who is similar to the subject of your article and what a published article for such a person looks like Conrad_Hilton. Mdebellis (talk) 14:05, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Now I have added references. Next what else to do for ur acceptanceSvpnikhil (talk) 14:14, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
One more time the Teahouse is not the place to review an article for submission. I looked at the wp:afc page (have you looked at that page yet?) and it seems the next step in the process is to put the following code at the top of your article: "{{subst:submit}}" I did that for you. There is now a notice on that page describing that the article is under review and you will be notified within about a week or two of the next steps. good luck. Mdebellis (talk) 14:34, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Well we got feedback pretty quickly. The article was declined. I received the feedback since I put the notification for submission on the article. I'm going to copy the response from my talk page to yours. You need to follow the steps in that message. Again my advice is to not follow up on creating any new articles until you have more experience doing more basic editing. Mdebellis (talk) 15:13, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have made corrections which u recommended. Added 8 links and 4 references. Deleted citations of blogs ,added News paper articles as much as I Have opportunity to fetch on Internet. Uploaded 2 photoes. Please can u tell me the reason why u declined. Svpnikhil (talk) 18:28, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong editing

Shahrukh Khan has decided that the names of his actresses will apear before him in film credits. Chennai Express is the first such movie. I have added reference but someone keeps interfering with the text unnecessarily, wht do i do? aish.ego (talk) 11:42, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to the teahouse Aish. The first things to try is to document the issue on the article Talk page and try contacting the other user directly to work something out. But if that doesn't work then you probably need to check out wp:dispute resolution Good luck! Mdebellis (talk) 12:56, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The user even does not have an ID probably. Only the computer IP address is shown!! aish.ego (talk) 01:19, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The edit was made not by an IP editor but by Bollyjeff who explained that editor's opinion that this does not belong in the lead section of the article. The editor moved the information into the body of the article, and cut two references to one. This all seems reasonable to me. If you disagree, discuss the matter on the talk page, and let Bollyjeff know. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 03:48, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hey i am talking about the page "Chennai Express" and not shahrukh khan. thanx. please look again at the matter aish.ego (talk) 16:25, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Disable notifications

Is there any way to disable wikilinking notifications? It's distracting when you add an article link to twenty different articles, and end up receiving a notification for every one of them.--Typing General (talk) 09:53, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to the teahouse typing general. Yes, there is definitely a way to do that. Look up at the top of any Wikipedia page. You will see a little star icon near the right. If that star icon is filled in it means that page is currently in your watchlist. Just click on the star to toggle it and turn off notifications for that page. Also, the notification system only keeps notifying you about a page if you keep going back to check it. I.e., if page Foo is in your notification list and you get a message that Foo has been altered and you do not visit page Foo that is the last time you will be notified that it changed. Mdebellis (talk) 11:06, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I went into Preferences and disable notifications, but now the VisualEditor has been re-enabled. Is this is a glitch? How do I undo it?--Typing General (talk) 13:02, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Typing General, one other tip. If you want to remove those pages from your watchlist rather than visiting each page you can directly edit your watchlist. Click on the Watchlist link up at the top right of any page when you are logged in. Then up at the top of that page click on "View and Edit Watchlist" My guess on the visual editor is that your preferences got set back to default somehow. I will give a bit more info after checking. Mdebellis (talk) 13:16, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Typing general. Not sure what happened on the visual editor. Personally, I don't use it much but I just leave it turned on and use the Edit Source option most of the time. But here are two previous teahouse articles I found on how to turn it off: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_121#How_to_disable_Visual_Editor.3F http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_119#how_to_turn_off_the_new_visual_editor.3F Mdebellis (talk) 13:31, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Article update on Wikipedia

Hi, I wrote my first article a few days ago, however I cannot see it on Wikipedia. I can however see it when I log in and go to talk. Can you help me please Filmbuff789 (talk) 06:09, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Filmbuff789 and welcome. Is your article Ahaan ? Flat Out let's discuss it 06:15, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Filmbuff, I'm not sure why you're not seeing it, have you tried just copying the URL bar, logging out, and pasting in that same bar to see if you can still get to the article while logged-out?
In any case, the article is up for Deletion since you've only provided one source about the film, and the article has basically no facts about it other than expected screening date (for a film which is not yet out) and a plot summary. Please review WP:Notability (film) to see what a film article must have to be on Wikipedia. MatthewVanitas (talk) 17:16, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Also, please remove the draft you have at User talk:Filmbuff789; your Talk page is not a place for drafting articles. Are you also reading the message people have been adding to the bottom of your Talk page? Those are very important to read. MatthewVanitas (talk) 17:18, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Needing help with references, seeking experienced editor

Hi there, I'm a novice at the Wiki world and fully admit that even though I can create great copy, I am not html or code savvy, which has not allowed me to add images or references to the article. I am working on the site for Eren Niazi, as I am his branding and communications manager and would love any help to complete and finish the necessary work on his page. Thank you (Shadesofrespect (talk) 22:34, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to the teahouse shadesofrespect. First I need to give you some information about wikipedia conflicts of interest Its considered a COI for you to work for the subject of the article you edit. You are still encouraged of course to edit other parts of Wikipedia. I think the best way for you to team up with someone more experienced in editing is via the wikipedia adopt a user program Also the following: Wikipedia:Articles for creation gives you a guide to the process for creating new articles. Click on any of the hypertext links in this comment for the wikipedia article on that topic. Mdebellis (talk) 23:01, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Shadesofrespect, a couple more things you might find useful if you want to learn more about references: You can find more about citations in the article Wikipedia:Citing_sources and also this article Wikipedia:Referencing_for_beginners In a nutshell a Wikipedia reference is a chunk of code, like HTML, that defines the reference. The best way IMO to create most references is to use the tool in the "Cite" template in the editor. Mdebellis (talk) 01:27, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Shadesofrespect, if you have links to reliable references or pictures that you would like to see in this article but for conflict of interest or coding reasons feel like working on the actual article isn't your favored path then let me suggest: put the information on the article TALK page, just like you put a notice here. Make a new entry along the lines of : could someone please add this? And then cut and paste the links, write actual paragraphs, etc. If that doesn't get noticed in a few days, then come back here and point s to it. If you do that "heavy lifting" and the information you leave is valid, it will most likely get folded into the article by someone with a few moments to spare. Niazi, at first glance, looks like a notable person with an awful article. Editors here tend to want to help. EBY (talk) 20:16, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, this has all been extremely helpful. I feel confident now that we can fix what is necessary. Much appreciated. (Shadesofrespect (talk) 02:55, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Request about new article

I have created an article about Vithal Venkatesh Kamath. Plz verify and suggest necessary changes.Svpnikhil (talk) 17:48, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to the teahouse Svpnikhil. I suggest you look here: Wikipedia:Articles for creation that should describe the process and if you follow it you should get feedback fairly soon. I took a quick look at the article. As of now there don't seem to be any references. That is a must for a Wikipedia article. Also, I'm not sure the person meets Wikipedia's standards for notability. To be appropriate for a wikipedia page there need to be some newspaper articles, books, etc. published that reference a person (not just their web site or other people's blogs). If the person doesn't have that then they probably aren't appropriate for a Wikipedia page. The following article will tell you more about these guidelines: notability guideline Mdebellis (talk) 18:06, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I Have added references and made the changes u have suggested. Will u accept?Svpnikhil (talk) 13:11, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Making templates of WP:LUC and WP:42 ?

Another host coming in to ask a question of the friendly assembly here. I know a lot about articles, but very little about templates. There are two unofficial Wikipedia policy-suggestions which I think are great for being phrased clearly and succinctly for novices, but right now they're written out as full-code as so require a cut-paste of many lines of text to add them to a Talk post discussion. I've been doing just that to advise AFC submitters, but typing a simple quick code would be easier.

  • WP:LUC has this neat box basically explaining "if you write an autobio or article for your company, you might not like it when other editors find negative details and add them"
  • WP:42 gives the simplest and easiest summary I've seen about Sourcing requirements

Is there some way we could create templates {{luc}} and {{42}} so that folks like Teahouse hosts, AFC reviewers, NPP folks, etc. can be able to quickly offer very simple and clear advice to new submitters? Maybe with the nice big eye-catching text, and a tiny link at the bottom to refer them to the longer version of the policy? MatthewVanitas (talk) 17:22, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Significant coverage

We need significant coverage. We need multiple sources that discuss the topic directly and in detail. Not: passing mentions, directory listings, government records, or any old thing that happens to have the topic's name in it.

Reliable sources

We need sources that are reliable. Usually this means that the publisher has a reputation for fact checking and the text must be approved by an editor before it is printed. For example: books from reputable publishing houses, mainstream newspapers, or other periodicals. Not: tabloids, discussion boards, fansites, social media, or most blogs.

Independent sources

We need sources that are independent from the subject of the article. Not: books or articles written by the subject (including interviews), articles paid for by the subject, press releases, a Q&A interview where virtually all of the information is just the subject or a spokesperson speaking for themselves.

References

Readers should be able to rely on what they read and be able to verify claims they read in Wikipedia articles. So, add footnotes to your article citing reliable sources as described.

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See also

So, that's the current version (made with {{Wikipedia:42}}) If you like, I can potentially add some <noinclude> tags to it to help it be shorter? ~Charmlet -talk- 02:33, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Is it possible to just have the big highlighted bits display, and the explanatory text either be a dropdown, or else just be linked to it? That way there's just one big block of big letter and highlighting to draw the readers eye. Thanks for the help! MatthewVanitas (talk) 17:20, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I see what you're suggesting, that code just displays the whole page/section, right? But can we make it an actual Template like Template:Peacock? Just the big-bold-highlighted part. Or if you have advice on how one goes about making a template without screwing up the coding I'm willing to take a shot at it. MatthewVanitas (talk) 17:27, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there,
I'm currently working on the article about Robert Schumann and trying to get it up to GA/FA standard. At the end of "early life" (the first subsection of Biography) there's a link to the German Wikipedia in the article body, with a less specific link to an English article in brackets afterwards, written as "(see also: Corps)". Is it ok to have the links set up like this, and if not which one should I keep? Jackc143 (talk) 08:18, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings Jack and welcome to the teahouse. I looked and couldn't find a specific policy about articles in multiple languages. Which doesn't mean there isn't one I just didn't find one with my quick look. So in situations like that I just rely on common sense and what an average user would expect. IMO it is very unintuitive to link to an article in a different language. If that article provided some critical information and it was only available in German then I would say make an exception and use it but if I'm understanding you correctly there is an English version of the article already. In that case I would change the link and go to the English version. I actually don't see the reason for a link to the article in German at all, if someone wants it in German they can navigate to the German site or try an auto-translation. Again, if there is something really special about that article in German then perhaps leave that as a see also link but my opinion based on what you've said would be just get rid of the link to the German article completely and link to the English one. Mdebellis (talk) 12:31, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
What it is is that there's a more specific article in German and a less specific one in English. You're probably right in that it's not very good to link to a foreign language article in the body, I'll remove it. Thanks, Jackc143 (talk) 14:52, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I need some help with my first draft

Hello, I would like to contribute with my artist biography. Momentarily the draft is on the Sandbox on the User Page "Serban Epure". I would like to have an assessment about the balance of quotations referrences, relevant or irrelevant info, links, what seems to be to much or not enough and so forth....A professional opinion. Sincerily, Serban Serban Epure (talk) 01:24, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Serban, welcome to Wikipedia! The best place for you would probably Wikipedia:Articles for creation, where you can get a detailed review of your article and advice on what to do to get the article up to a standard acceptable on Wikipedia. However, it looks like you might be writing about yourself - Wikipedia strongly discourages writing autobiographies (see here for more information) as this is often linked with a confilict of interest. If you think you are notable enough to merit an article on Wikipedia you can always request that another editor creates an article. It is unlikely though that an article will be created unless it is clear that you pass the notability guideline. You're welcome to help contribute to Wikipedia in any other way, and I hope you enjoy being part of the community. If you have any other questions, don't hesitate to ask them here or on my talk page. Cheers! Jr8825 • Talk 05:27, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata

On a foreign language Wikipedia, there is an article for the Tang campaigns against the Western and Eastern Turks. The same topic is represented on the English Wikipedia by two articles, one for the Tang campaigns against the Western Turks, and another for the Eastern Turks.

I want to link the two English Wikipedia articles on Wikidata to the Chinese one, but Wikidata only allows one article per language. I'm completely new to Wikidata and I have no idea how it works. Is there anyway to circumvent this restriction? --Typing General (talk) 22:55, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Typing General. A good question, and one that has been much discussed on Wikidata. I don't think there is a solution at present: Wikidata is intended as a repository of items and the links between them, so if two articles in different languages do not cover essentially the same topic, their corresponding Wikidata items must be different items. What can be done is that the two items in Wikidata can be linked by a property such as part of, but at present adding such a relationship has no effect outside Wikidata (I don't know if there are any plans for Interwiki links to be aware of properties, and indeed I don't know if such an idea would be in any way practical). --ColinFine (talk) 23:52, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

How to find about licensing information of images I find online? - Sriram Vikram (talk) 22:23, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Sriram. I'm not completely sure what you're asking: do you mean "If I find an image on some random site on the web, how do I find out the copyright information about that image"? If that is the question, then I'm afraid there is no general answer. Often the site will give their licensing policy somewhere, but there's no standard name or position for it. If you are unable to find any copyright information, you must assume that the image is copyright and not useable in Wikipedia (unless the "fair use" exception applies). --ColinFine (talk) 23:38, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Citations

Hi! I'm fairly new to Wikepedia, yet I've already been mistaken for a vandal because I didn't add citations. The problem is, believe it or not, I don't know how!!!!!! Can someone please tell me?! Kind Regards, Asmym xix (talk) 22:05, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Asmym. I'm not sure where you have been mistaken for a vandal, or why you should have been (did you provide an edit summary? Doing so reduces the chance of being taken for a vandal). But I think you'll find WP:Referencing for beginners helpful. --ColinFine (talk) 23:34, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Asmym, welcome to the teahouse. You can find more about citations in the article Wikipedia:Citing_sources and also this article Wikipedia:Referencing_for_beginners In a nutshell a Wikipedia reference is a chunk of code, like HTML, that defines the reference. The best way IMO to create most references is to use the tool in the "Cite" template in the editor. You should see a set of widgets at the top of your editor, B for Bold, I for Italic, etc. If you click on the one to the far right "Cite" then at the next level down you will see a drop down menu called "Templates" click on that and you will get options to cite a book, web site, etc. When you select one it will give you a form with various fields to fill out and the tool will generate the appropriate code for you. This probably sounds a lot more complicated then it is, don't be intimidated. I can't code HTML to save my life but the Wiki markup is designed to be for people like me and is really intuitive after you use it a few times. Mdebellis (talk) 00:22, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cover uploaded

Hello, I uploaded this File:Bono_on_Bono_Cover.jpeg: I would like that someone, with more experience, check the file and see if of the liscence and the summary are ok. Could be?? Thanks! :) Feel free to delete it if doesn't meet the criteria. Miss Bono [zootalk]☆ 20:14, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Miss B - looks fine to me. Non-free content rationale is fully completed, it's used in an article. Can't see anything wrong there. NtheP (talk) 21:22, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation page

Hi,

I'm trying to write a page with an existing title for an entirely different subject- how do I set up a disambiguation page?

Mmwhiteford (talk) 17:37, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think you mean a page with a disambiguating title. We use parentheses to disambiguate page titles - see the list at John Bell for example. (That page is itself a dismbiguation page, but where there are only two relevant pages, such a page isn't necessary and we use hatnotes to point to the other article.)--ukexpat (talk) 17:42, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I created the article Herson Capri, I made a translation from the pt.wikipedia. I need to know how to make a link that takes me to the pt article from the en. thanks! Miss Bono [zootalk]☆ 14:58, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome back to the Teahouse, Miss Bono! This is where Wikidata comes into play. If you go to http://www.wikidata.org and look up Herson Capri, you will find an article with four links to other Wikipedias and their articles on Capri. Go under these four and press "add". On the left edit box, put "English (en)", and on the right put "Herson Capri". Feel free to say any problems that you have with this, and happy editing! öBrambleberry of RiverClan 15:38, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
A quicker method may be to go to Herson Capri and look at the bottom of the left sidebar. You'll see "Languages" and a thingy to click that says "Add links". Click that, enter the details, and all should be well :) --LukeSurl t c 15:40, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks both of... but that thingy doesn't appear and I have not access to wikidata :'( Miss Bono [zootalk]☆ 15:44, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm...I added the enwiki link to Wikidata, but nothing seems to show up on the article off to the side. Maybe some problems are afoot. öBrambleberry of RiverClan 15:47, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Mmmm, that's weird. Miss Bono [zootalk]☆ 16:08, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I can see 'em now. I think it takes a few minutes to all sync up. By the way, when you say you have "no access to Wikidata", what do you mean? What happens when you try and access the main page for example. --LukeSurl t c 17:37, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Luke, judging from things Miss Bono has said before, it appears that whatever network she is connected to allows access to Wikipedia, but not to a number of other common sites such as Google and Youtube. I take it therefore that it also does not allow access to Wikidata (which doesn't make sense, if it allows Wikipedia; but I'm guessing that Wikipedia is on a "whitelist", and the people who control this are not aware of Wikidata). --ColinFine (talk) 23:29, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Did I do something wrong?

I've been trying for 24 hours to work out if I did something wrong and I appear to have upset someone in the process. It's all down to references, and whether they should be hidden or otherwise in the reflist fixed when they are removed from the article text. Could someone please go through my edits to articles (especially the ones regarding "hiding unused references") and tell me if I'm doing anything wrong? Flying Buttress (talk) 14:24, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hello Flying Buttress and welcome to the Teahouse! I apologize for the delay in you getting an answer, and I'll see what I can do to help you. To answer the essence of your question, I would say you are not doing anything too wrong as you have not been blocked from editing... You are doing something right by coming here and asking for help. I'm thinking before looking through your edits that you may benefit well from Wikipedia's new editor adoption program, and I encourage you to check that out. Let me have a little while and I'll poke through your contributions and see if I can offer any other immediate advice. Please bear with me. :D Technical 13 (talk) 02:22, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds, images, lists not having good status?

Hello! There's been one question that's been bothering me for a while on this wiki: Why is it that sounds, images and lists don't have a good status, but instead go straight from a "normal" sound/image/list to a featured one? How come they don't have a good status in between like articles do? Thanks! -- (T) Numbermaniac (C) 11:58, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Good Articles were introduced to help identify short but good articles. However, there is nothing like short list or short picture. As of sounds, the Featured Sound project is now defunct. However some other assessments for pictures exist on Wikimedia Commons. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 12:13, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I see what you mean, Thanks! -- (T) Numbermaniac (C) 12:23, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Clayton Zelin

I had written an article Clayton Zelin, but it was deleted because, MLS reserves and Professional Indoor league were not seen as a pro league. Clayton Zelin has now signed with Phoenix FC in the USL PRO league as #32. Here is the link to the roster, please help put this back together. http://www.uslsoccer.com/scripts/runisa.dll?M2:gp:908940.8691:72011+Elements/Display+E+47116+Player/+58092992+58092651+7005504 Mscdpanda3Mscdpanda3 (talk) 06:52, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Mscdpanda3, there's no great hurry. Wait until he has made an appearance and there are some reliable sources talking about him, then create an article. NtheP (talk) 17:39, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

He (Robert "Clayton" Zelin III) previously played for the REAL COLORADO FOXES, but now plays for PHOENIX FC Wolves in USL PRO. I am trying to get the article back on with the fact that he is signed with Phoenix FC. http://www.uslsoccer.com/teams/2013/58092992.html#ROSTER http://www.azcentral.com/insiders/odeendomingofc/2013/07/10/phoenix-fc-send-gk-andrew-weber-to-seattle-sounders-fc-recieve-gk-on-loan-from-real-salt-lake-sign-defender-updates-injuries-and-more/ I am looking for help to get the original article back with this information. Mscdpanda3Mscdpanda3 (talk) 21:49, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

And as I said, wait until he has actually played some games in the USL, not just appeared on a team roster; and that news sources are talking about him for what he has achieved on the field, not just that he has signed for a USL team. Have a look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clayton Zelin (2nd nomination) - it was precisely this lack of information that led to the article being deleted previously. Resurrect it now with only the additional information that he might be going to play in the USL and it will get deleted again. NtheP (talk) 22:18, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Currency Conversion

Hello! I'm editing a country infobox template and i want to have an automated conversion of USD currency to another national currency (or vice versa) based on current foreign exhcange. Is this possible? Thanks!

Geraldinho108 (talk) 06:05, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Great question! I'm giving you a badge. Unfortunately, no such two way template exists. You could always go to another website. There is a template to convert some currencies to USD called Template:To USD, respectively. Here's how it works.
{{To USD|100|GBR||round=yes}}
So 100 pounds in US dollars is $137. My tip: Use anther website. This template sucks. ~~JHUbal27 09:51, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You can be a little creative with this template, using the #expr: to do some basic maths with the US dollar as the pivot currency. For example,
€1 = ${{round|{{To USD|1|DEU|year=2012|round=no}}|2}} = £{{round|{{#expr:({{To USD|1|DEU|year=2012|round=no}}/{{To USD|1|GBR|year=2012|round=no}})}}|2}} produces:
€1 = $1.28 = £0.81
I've used the round template to keep things neat here as well. I'm not hugely sure whether this would be useful in articles, however this might be an interesting exercise if you're looking at getting into high-level template editing. --LukeSurl t c 12:24, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

question on editing an existing image

Hi, gang! One of the great things about the Teahouse is that once in a while, the hosts have to ask their peers here a question. This is one of those times. I want to edit an image that is on Commons to reuse in an article it is already in. I talked about it with the editor who added it to the article and also uploaded it to commons. My question is, how to I do the "legal boilerplate" language when I re-upload the edited image? I mean, it isn't mine, but since it is on Commons, I can reuse it any way I want. I just need to know what kind of language I use to fill out the form when I re-upload the edited image. Thanks for your help, guys and gals! Gtwfan52 (talk) 04:55, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Gtwfan! I am up way to late (5 AM)! Nonetheless, I'll answer your question before I go to bed. Which image are you referring to? I mean if it's licensed under the Creative Commons 3.0 Unported license, you are allowed to modify it. Your question though is how. Well when I want to modify an image, I would download the image to my computer, or phone in this case, and use a photo editor. Do you want to crop, rotate, resize, other effects, etc.? I completely read that wrong. You already edited the image. Still, just be simple with it. Explain what you did to the image in a sentence or two. The worst that can happen is it gets reverted. Cheers! ~~JHUbal27 09:10, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Image Uploading Question

Hello,

I am super new to the Wikipedia editing world, I got into it because I am interning for a non-profit organization helping out with their online presence. I am trying to add a picture to two pages, 'Michael Shifter' and the 'Inter-American Dialogue' pages, both pictures which I am allowed to use by ownership from the Dialogue.

I'd appreciate any help possible! Thank you in advance. DialogueFan2013 (talk) 21:17, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there and welcome to Wikipedia! If you do have ownership of the photos and the copyright is yours, it's fine to upload it as lng as you are willing to release it under certain licenses. You can go to WP:UPLOAD for that. But before you do that, please do look at WP:COI as you have a confict of interest as you are interning for the subject of the article. Please write in a nuetral and in a non advertisement way. Regards, Hallows AG (talk) 23:54, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
But to add to what Hallows said: "which I am allowed to use by ownership from the Dialogue" is not enough. What is required in order to use these pictures in Wikipedia is for the copyright owner (which may be the Dialogue, but may be eg a photographer) to explicitly license them under one of the licences which Wikipedia accepts (which allow them to be reused for any purpose, commercial or not). The procedure they must follow is explained at WP:Donating copyright materials. Once the form has been received, you can upload the pictures to Wikimedia commons (so that the may be used on any of the language Wikipedias) and add them to the articles; see WP:Picture tutorial for details of that. --ColinFine (talk) 00:02, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hallows and ColinFine, thank you so much!! I did read about the COI and actually edited and added to the existing pages keeping it neutral and non-advertising. The purpose really is to provide information, seeing as the pages were so limited and there was very few information! I was able to add a picture to Wikipedia commons, but now I cannot find it when I try to actually add it to the page. Here's the link, I'd appreciate any help, and thanks again for your guidance already! Here's the image: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Michael_2009.JPG

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by DialogueFan2013 (talk • contribs) 15:42, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]


Was anyone able to read my reply? Any help is greatly appreciated! — Preceding unsigned comment added by DialogueFan2013 (talk • contribs) 19:52, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have a COI

I am incredibly new to the Wikipedia scene. I only joined because a short time ago, a coworker of mine noticed that our company did not have a Wiki page. I volunteered (without having any knowledge of the guidelines members of this site abide by), and now find myself in a COI with the article I promised to publish.

After learning about the Wiki culture and being so generously welcomed by one of the users, I found I'd really enjoy being a part of this community, however, I also love being employed. I was hoping there could be a way for me to collaborate with someone (or with a few people) to ensure that the article is as unbiased as possible. There is a need for this article, and I have spent so much time researching outside sources for it. I don't want all of this work to go to waste and I can't go back on the promise I made to my team, so I'm asking for help. I would be fine with another user posting the article from his or her account as long as some of what I've written can go into it (again, I've worked diligently on this and feel the article doesn't need to be started from scratch at this point). Please help! Chick in a TARDIS (talk) 16:27, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Edit: I also want to add that this page is not meant to be promotional in any way. This is more of a, "our competitors have pages on Wikipedia...why don't we?" kind of thing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spambot elvis (talk • contribs) 16:34, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Chick in a TARDIS and welcome. It's good that you have recognised your COI, though having to get the article done to keep your job is not a great position to be in. Your company doesn't have to have a page because competitors do, thats not why wikipedia exists - however if you can assist with finding independent and reliable sources I am happy to help you get this article into shape. Until the sources are identified we won't know if the company meets WP:CORP. If you are interested in collaborating leave a message on my talk page. Flat Out let's discuss it 16:37, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Chick in a TARDIS (welcome to the Teahouse!), as Flat Out says, you have to be employed at a notable company. To sum up the page Flat Out has given you, I have found this quote in the article: " If the individual organization has received no or very little notice from independent sources, then it is not notable simply because other individual organizations of its type are commonly notable or merely because it exists". Also, if you do find good, reliable sources (news pages are top quality), then Flat Out is a great person to work with. Just look at all the help he gave to INES (TV service), an article I created which was nominated for deletion. Flat Out gave helpful advice on the talk page, and helped the article significantly. Matty.007 13:48, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Plot Summary of Original vs. Revised Edition of Novel

Hello – I have been improving the pages describing Conrad Richter’s 1966 trilogy of novels The Awakening Land by adding references, writing style, major themes, images, etc. I noticed that the plot summary on the page describing Richter’s second novel in the trilogy, The Fields, (which was created by another editor) is different in several major aspects from the plot I read in my original edition copy issued by Alfred A. Knopf. I have since learned that a “revised” edition of The Awakening Land was issued in 1993 by the Ohio University Press that was rewritten by the publishers to include scenes that Conrad Richter never wrote in the original novels. I have re-written the plot summary on this page so that it reflects the original novel. My question is: should I also address the whole issue of the original vs. the revised editions of this trilogy? I have to confess that I don’t know much about it since I have not read the revised edition myself. The only independent source I have been able to find that mentions this is a review by a reader on Amazon.com, but I don’t know whether this is an appropriate or an objective enough source to use as a reference. Thanks for any advice.Perpetual Reader (talk) 16:57, 10 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Perpetual Reader and welcome to the teahouse. Here are some ideas. You might want to post this issue at the wp:novels forum which is here: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Novels/GeneralForum My opinion is that this is something that is notable and would make a reasonable addition to the article. If you don't know enough about it yet, you could still add a new section that is very brief and just describes the fact that there is a revised version and that the plots are signficantly different. My standard for what to write in an article always starts from the point of view of an average user and IMO this is an important issue most users who come to the article would want to know about and its likely that others might have the same confusion that you did about why the plot they read in the summary is different than the book. As for using an Amazon review for a reference its interesting that you ask that because I contemplated the same thing a while back. There were some very insightful comments on a musician I like on Amazon reviews. To my knowledge there is no rule set in stone that you can never do that but I decided not to though, what I did was use the ideas in the review as a starting point and then backed them up with references that did a better job of meeting Wikipedia standards. One other thought is that at an absolute minimum I would document this issue on the Talk page of the novel and regardless of what you decide I would also document that there as well. Mdebellis (talk) 18:08, 10 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the suggestions, Mdebellis. I will probably do all of them.Perpetual Reader (talk) 19:45, 10 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I read in the WP manual that blog-comment citations are never allowed. Hope this helps. Checkingfax (talk) 02:28, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Here are the links that cite the manual: WP:NEWSBLOG and WP:USERGENERATED Checkingfax (talk) 08:16, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

editing reference endnotes

How do I do this please?Baruinga (talk) 07:45, 10 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Baruinga. I'm sorry, I don't quite understand the question. If you're looking for instructions on how to do the inline citations[1] you see on many articles, you can find instructions at Wikipedia:Inline citations. --LukeSurl t c 13:34, 10 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Baruinga and welcome to the teahouse. I think I get your question and if I'm understanding you correctly I had the same question not too long ago when I first started editing Wikipedia. Usually when you want to edit a section in a Wikipedia page you just click the "edit" link at the top of that section. However, with references its a bit different. If you click on the "references" section often all you see is something like this: "==References== {{reflist|2}}" So if say you want to change a reference its not clear where to go. The reason is that the way Wikipedia works is that it takes the markup code for references that occurs in the source and presents them when it sees that bit of code for a reflist (there are other ways as well but don't worry about that for now). So to edit such a reference you need to find the place where the reference occurs in the article not the bottom of the article which is where it shows up to a user. So for a real example look at the article Rory Gallagher the first reference is to the Guiness Rockopedia. If you wanted to edit that reference you need to go to the beginning of the article under the section for Taste (Gallagher's first band) where you will see this code: <ref name="Guinness Rockopedia 2">{{cite book | first= David | last= Roberts | year= 1998 | title= Guinness Rockopedia | edition= 1st | publisher= Guinness Publishing Ltd. | location= London | pages= 168–169 | isbn= 0-85112-072-5}}</ref> For more on this I suggest you start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Referencing_for_beginners Mdebellis (talk) 13:51, 10 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, this was very helpful.Baruinga (talk) 07:52, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

color

how do u add color to the page pictures? Derek Austin Murphy (talk) 03:11, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again Derek. Which specific picture are you referring to? --Jayron32 03:14, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
im talking about Andrew Wiggins and Jabari Parker, the Color and Font color. Derek Austin Murphy (talk) 04:37, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hello. With the Andrew Wiggins picture, I had to use my own photo editor. I use a phone, but I downloaded Photo Editor from the Google Play Store. I can't speak for browser photo editors, but that's how I did it. ~~JHUbal27 06:32, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I mean how do you color the Kansas Jayhawks, and the career info, personal info, and awards. those bars. how do you color coat them? Derek Austin Murphy (talk) 06:36, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, you cannot do that. You would have to manually edit the {{Infobox basketball biography}} template, which would cause the background to be blue on all the articles where the template is used. Anyway, that template is probably restricted for editing as there is a possibility for vandalism. Sorry. ~~JHUbal27 06:48, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It's restricted to Autoconfirmed users. -- (T) Numbermaniac (C) 11:54, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Become RCP

Hi, How can I become Recent Changes Patroller? BenisonPBaby 15:26, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

It's automatic. You just need to follow these guidelines. Checkingfax (talk) 05:39, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
As Checkingfax has already said, there is no fixed requirement for becoming recent changes patroller - however, you should always try and take responsibility for your actions. Remember, patrolling is not just about zapping vandalism, it's also important to help new editors get started on Wikipedia and give feedback (take a look at the Welcoming Committee for more info on this). Enjoy patrolling! Jr8825 • Talk 05:47, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi everyone,
I'm currently working on the article about Schumann and trying to get it up to good/featured status. In the body of the early life section (in biography), there's a link to the German language Wikipedia, with a less relevant link to an english article in brackets. Assuming the more relevant article doesn't have an equivilant in english, which link should i keep? Or will it just be appropriate to keep both? Jackc143 (talk) 18:00, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's fine to keep both. Can you read German? Is that article truly more on point? Is keeping both in the best interests of the article? EBY (talk) 05:24, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Music and Lyrics

Hi -- I recently expanded the Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Music and Lyrics, using the official Emmy website and the Internet Movie Database's listing of Emmy Awards and nominations as sources. Checkingfax flagged the new version with {{copypaste}} and {{self-published}} and suggested coming here for a second opinion.

I understand the issue of using self-published sources, which is why I also used a third-party source, the IMDb. (Also, the IMDb's award listings are not as generally editable by users as their movie listings are.)

So, any second opinions on all this? Trivialist (talk) 03:13, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't look like a copyright violation to me, and I think both sources look appropriate. This page may be relevant, and it specifically states 'information [in compilations and lists] is usable but only if presentation and selection are significantly altered', I had a look at both pages and none of the information is presented in a way similar to the article. The same page also states that 'Copyright does not protect facts, but it does protect opinion', surely the list of winners is fact?
On the subject of using self-published sources, I think Wikipedia's guildeline is mainly referring to individuals publishing information - it talks about 'books, patents, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, personal or group blogs, Internet forum postings, and tweets', this is not appropriate for an official site, which is a primary source. Wikipedia's guideline on this is that while it is preferable to use third-party sources, 'primary sources that have been reliably published may be used in Wikipedia'. However, it is not a good idea to base an entire article on a primary sources, which is why you have cited IMDb. If you can, I'd also try to find articles in news publications on the awards, which will generally be more reliable sources. This does not mean that the official website cannot be cited though.
I don't profess to be an expert on Wikipedia's copyright policy - I read up on it when I need to, but if you really want an expert opinion the best place to go is the reliable sources noticeboard. I'm not particularly impressed with Checkingfax, not only did he point you in the wrong direction (the Teahouse is mainly designed for new users) but it looks like he may not have had a proper understanding of Wikipedia's policies before tagging that article. Thankyou for your patience with the issue, Jr8825 • Talk 09:30, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Trivialist (talk) 15:36, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

whats the purpose of motogp riders puting there legs out when braking for corners

when motogp riders brake or slow down to come into a corner they put there legs out,i was wondering i anyone could explain this, i know its not because they are scared of falling of, is it maybe to add traction to the rear wheel,or does it help the in slowing down therefore less front brake — Preceding unsigned comment added by 105.236.73.25 (talk) 12:41, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The Teahouse is a forum for discussing how to help edit and improve Wikipedia. For general questions such as this, you may want to ask at the Reference Desks. Thanks. --13:54, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Hey,

I just published my first article(Edwin Bakker). I thought it was still a userpage but I somehow already published it (is it true that I cannot reverse that?). It was however not entirely finished, I copied the first lines from another website so I got a copyright notice. Now it's changed although the first sentences are still the same. But that's clearly very factual information. How could I rewrite that he's professor in A, works at B. etc? This only applies to the first paragraph. I hope that someone could check if the article is in accordance with the copryight rules now so the notice can be removed. Any advice would be welcome.

Thanks a lot! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeanine de Roy van Zuijdewijn (talk • contribs) 13:32, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Jeanine de Roy van Zuijdewijn,
Plagarism (see WP:Plagarism) is not permitted on Wikipedia, whether it be on your user space or Wikipedia in general. You will need to take off that material (completely) from Wikipedia and rewrite the article in your own words (see WP:Paraphrase). Let me know if you need any further help. --JustBerry (talk) 13:37, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your fast reply, I understand that plagiarism is not allowed. That's why I changed the article, except for the sentences that "

Edwin Bakker is professor of (Counter-)Terrorism Studies at the Institute of Public Administration and director of the Centre for Terrorism and Counterterrorism (CTC) of Leiden University. Bakker is also a fellow of the International Centre for Counter Terrorism – The Hague. He is a member of the editorial board of the quarterlies Security and Human Rights, the Journal of Strategic Security, and Vrede & Veiligheid (Peace & Security). "

I don't see how I can rephrase that. I can only change the order? Edwin Bakker is director of the Centre for Terrorism and Counterterrorism (CTC) of Leiden University - Campus The Hague and professor of (Counter-)Terrorism Studies at the Institute of Public Administration of that same university. He also holds the position of research fellow at the International Centre for Counter-Terrorism in the Hague and he is a member of the editorial board of the following (academic)journals: Security and Human Rights, the Journal of Strategic Security, and Vrede & Veiligheid (Peace & Security)."

Would that be sufficient?

Thanks again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeanine de Roy van Zuijdewijn (talk • contribs) 13:47, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No comments showing below a certain line on a talk page

At Talk:International Society of Genetic Genealogy comments below a certain line are not showing. Is this a form of protectionism? You need to edit to see what I am talking about because nothing shows below section 10 on the talk page. Curious! Jrcrin001 (talk) 17:23, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jrcrin001, that wasn't page protection, someone just forgot to add </ref> at the end of a reference, so the rest of the page was treated as if it was just a citation. It looks like it's been fixed now. Jr8825 • Talk 05:52, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It is those darn marks my older eyes can't see as well these days ... Thanks! Jrcrin001 (talk) 07:05, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WECAN SOCIETY

please create this article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.227.145.50 (talk) 08:37, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there and welcome to Wikipedia! This is a place for editors to ask questions about editing and Wikipedia in general - if you want to request an article, the place to go is here. Before going there though, you must make sure that the article you are requesting meets Wikipedia's inclusion guidelines. Cheers, Jr8825 • Talk 09:32, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

wiki spirit crushed

XLinkbot versus www.tewl.wikia.com

attempted discussion >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:XLinkBot#Transepidermal_water_loss

diff > http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Transepidermal_water_loss&diff=next&oldid=558322393

(don't bother if you only have a few minutes to understand)

78.145.245.53 (talk) 14:03, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If you are unable to reach consensus, then please continue to follow the dispute resolution procedure. But note that overdramatising the situation ("wiki spirit crashed") may not win you much support. --ColinFine (talk) 23:01, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ Like this one!
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