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Control copyright icon Hello CryOCed, and welcome to Wikipedia. Your addition to Harbor–UCLA Medical Center has had to be removed, as it appears to have added copyrighted material without permission from the copyright holder. While we appreciate your contributing to Wikipedia, there are certain things you must keep in mind about using information from your sources to avoid copyright or plagiarism issues here.

  • You can only copy/translate a small amount of a source, and you must mark what you take as a direct quotation with double quotation marks (") and a cited source. You can read about this at Wikipedia:Non-free content in the sections on "text". See also Help:Referencing for beginners, for how to cite sources here.
  • Aside from limited quotation, you must put all information in your own words and structure, in proper paraphrase. Following the source's words too closely can create copyright problems, so it is not permitted here; see Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing. (There is a college-level introduction to paraphrase, with examples, hosted by the Online Writing Lab of Purdue.) Even when using your own words, you are still, however, asked to cite your sources to verify information and to demonstrate that the content is not original research.
  • Our primary policy on using copyrighted content is Wikipedia:Copyrights. You may also want to review Wikipedia:Copy-paste.
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  • Also note that Wikipedia articles may not be copied or translated without attribution. If you want to copy or translate from another Wikipedia project or article, you can, but please follow the steps in Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia.

It's very important that contributors understand and follow these practices, as policy requires that people who persistently do not must be blocked from editing. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Geraldo Perez (talk) 14:09, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi CryOCed, I have unfortunately had to suppress some of your edits because they reveal too much personally identifiable information about you. We have a policy of protecting editors' safety by hiding such information if they share it. I'm really sorry about having to suppress your edits, and I know it's annoying, but it's for the best. Please don't re-add the information. For some useful information on privacy and safety, you can take a look at Wikipedia:Guidance for younger editors and Wikipedia:On privacy, confidentiality and discretion. Thanks, and sorry for messing about with your pages! Mike V • Talk 19:54, 21 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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This week's article for improvement (week 22, 2015)

Chocolate most commonly comes in dark (bottom), milk (middle), and white (top) varieties
Hello, CryOCed.

The following are WikiProject Today's articles for improvement's weekly selections:

Previous selections: Deep frying • Food industry • Home appliance

Get involved with the TAFI project! You can...
Posted by: EuroCarGT (talk) 01:02, 25 May 2015 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of WikiProject TAFI • Opt-out instructions[reply]

TAFI week 22, 2015 update

Please note that Personality is also an article for improvement for week 22, 2015. Thank you.

Sent by Northamerica1000 using mass messaging on 01:21, 25 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Today's articles for improvement weekly vote

  • Hello CryOCed:
This week's voting for TAFI's upcoming weekly collaboration has begun at Week 25 of 2015. Thanks for participating!
Sent by Northamerica1000 using mass messaging on 06:54, 25 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

May 2015

Control copyright icon Hello CryOCed, and welcome to Wikipedia. While we appreciate your contributing to Wikipedia, there are certain things you must keep in mind about using information from your sources to avoid copyright or plagiarism issues here. Additions you made to the Car wash have been reverted because it added information in copyright violation.

  • You can only copy/translate a small amount of a source, and you must mark what you take as a direct quotation with double quotation marks (") and a cited source. You can read about this at Wikipedia:Non-free content in the sections on "text". See also Help:Referencing for beginners, for how to cite sources here.
  • Aside from limited quotation, you must put all information in your own words and structure, in proper paraphrase. Following the source's words too closely can create copyright problems, so it is not permitted here; see Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing. (There is a college-level introduction to paraphrase, with examples, hosted by the Online Writing Lab of Purdue.) Even when using your own words, you are still, however, asked to cite your sources to verify information and to demonstrate that the content is not original research.
  • Our primary policy on using copyrighted content is Wikipedia:Copyrights. You may also want to review Wikipedia:Copy-paste.
  • If you own the copyright to the source you want to copy or are a designated agent, you may be able to license that text so that we can publish it here. However, there are steps that must be taken to verify that license before you do. See Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials.
  • In very rare cases (that is, for sources that are public domain or compatibly licensed), it may be possible to include greater portions of a source text. However, please seek help at the help desk before adding such content to the article. 99.9% of sources may not be added in this way, so it is necessary to seek confirmation first. If you do confirm that a source is public domain or compatibly licensed, you will still need to provide full attribution; see Wikipedia:Plagiarism for the steps you need to follow.
  • Also note that Wikipedia articles may not be copied or translated without attribution. If you want to copy or translate from another Wikipedia project or article, you can, but please follow the steps in Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia.

It's very important that contributors understand and follow these practices, as policy requires that people who persistently do not must be blocked from editing. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. North America1000 05:56, 26 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Talkback

Hello, CryOCed. You have new messages at Northamerica1000's talk page.
Message added 07:15, 26 May 2015 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.[reply]

North America1000 07:15, 26 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Adoption

Hello, and thanks for your message on my Talk page. I will try to help you. The best thing is to ask one question at a time. You can post right here, and let me know your first question -- I will watch this page. By the way, I do not think you should be answering questions at the Teahouse yet -- you are still learning. All the best. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:28, 26 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Ssilvers! I'm glad you accepted, and I am just trying to help at the Teahouse while reading several guidelines, about the question, the first one is, How do Copyright licenses work? Like for example, CC BY-SA 3.0, and the GFDL, can you give me a simplified version of them and how to use them? Like I am not trying to tire you out here, but I just don't understand. CryOceD (talk) 18:33, 26 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Generally copyright applies to words, pictures and images, recordings, and anything else created by a person or company. Wikipedia has THREE sets of rules that apply to materials that we use. First, we must not violate anyone's copyright; Second, we must satisfy Wikipedia's own internal rules regarding the use of copyrighted materials; and Third, we must not plagiarize, even if there is no copyright. We must follow *all three* sets of rules. So, specifically, are you asking me about images or words? If you are asking me about images, we can only use images that are either (a) "public domain", (b) licensed under certain Creative Commons licenses, or (c) that satisfy the *very* restrictive WP:NFCC criteria. For licensed images, they must be images that the creator (the photographer or artist) has licensed under a Creative Commons license. Note that the only types of CC licenses that are permitted on Wikipedia are free content ones that permit commercial copying and derivative works. Let me know if you have more questions. If you are asking about a specific image, post the link, and I'll look at it. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:57, 26 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Apparently, I am just watching the Creative Commons animations on that article link you just posted, thank you very much! Now I won't hesitate on uploading photos, when I was new here, I kept getting warned about the photos I upload, but what CC license does screenshots have? let's say I screenshot something from my device, and I upload that photo, what is the right license with that? Apparently this is my only problem, imaging copyrights. CryOceD (talk) 19:07, 26 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Unless the film source states clearly that the film is licensed under a free content license, then it is NOT licensed, and screenshots are not licensed. Most films are under copyright, and screenshots from them should not be uploaded. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:39, 26 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the screenshot of a film, but how about if I do a screenshot of my own device, like, I screenshot a desktop from a laptop, will I be able to regain full control over the photo and upload it with different licenses? CryOceD (talk) 19:48, 26 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The question is: Who took the photo? If the original photo was created by someone other than you, and they have not granted it to the public domain or licensed it under a free content license, it does not matter how you prepare the copy or derivative that resides on your computer. You cannot upload it to Wikipedia unless the original creator has specifically licensed it under a free content license that everyone can verify (for example, on the photographer's website). The easiest way to get a photo that you can upload to Wikipedia is to take the photo yourself with your own camera. For example, if I want to upload a photo of a celebrity, I can go to the celebrity's show and take a photo of them there. Then, I can snap the photo, and upload it to Wikipedia. -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:11, 26 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks so much! That's all the answers I needed, I am gonna continue on reading all the rules and policies in Wikipedia, for the meantime. Thanks! I couldn't understand more than to you! I finally get the idea, now on to uploading photos! Actually, I am taking random pictures about the elements or something, so that I can help anyone with my work. Anyways, do you have any projects that your currently working on? If you want, you can suggest me projects so that I can help, I'll just need instructions. Thanks again! I appreciate the help. CryOceD (talk) 20:25, 26 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[left] Glad I could help. Good luck to you! I think that the most important rules to learn about are WP:V and WP:RS. You may wish to join the WP:GAMES wikiproject, where Wikipedia contributors discuss game articles. Let me know on my Talk page if you have any more questions. I'll unwatch your Talk page for now. -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:50, 26 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the suggestion! I'll gladly join the group, since I left it before.. I don't know why. Thanks so much again! CryOceD (talk) 20:54, 26 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Excellent New Editor's Barnstar

A new editor on the right path
For your perseverance despite a few initial bumps and your incredible willingness to learn. Welcome to Wikipedia! --Bananasoldier (talk) 23:02, 26 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! I always will always have the will to learn, and to experiment everything that comes into me, so that I did Wikipedia. Thanks again. {{=))) CryOceD (talk) 23:05, 26 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Teahouse

Just an observation, CryOceD: some of the editors coming to the Teahouse have been editing Wikipedia for many months or even years and your account is just a week old. Be very careful in handing out advice and only offer help on subjects you have some experience with. In many cases, these editors asking questions have more experience than you do. Liz Read! Talk! 23:44, 26 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the reminder Liz, but I have put that into mind since I have joined the Teahouse. Often I answer questions, but I leave some of those which I cannot understand yet. CryOceD (talk) 23:47, 26 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Teahouse host decline

Hi! CryOCed, thank you for volunteering to be a host at the Teahouse! We really appreciate your willingness to help! However, we see that you are pretty new around here and haven't edited very much yet. It takes a lot of time, background knowledge and patience to answer new editors questions effectively. So you should probably edit for a while before you sign up to be a host. That said, we hope you continue to participate and spread the word about the Teahouse to other new Wikipedians. Come back soon! EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 18:53, 27 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]







Wait, what? I didn't apply! I have put that into mind, and I am asking myself a favor to do so if I am 1 year longer in Wikipedia, I didn't apply! You got the wrong guy. ~CedricK 18:56, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
No this message is for you. I'm sorry but some of your answers have been blatantly incorrect, and I am advising you not to answer anymore at this time. This answer was incorrect, that article would not pass and is in the wrong place. This edit was also against policy, we don't just go bolding every word we feel like and you shouldn't tell Teahouse users that. Listen it is nothing personal, but I would advise against answering any more questions for a little while longer, and I am sure Liz would agree with me. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 19:02, 27 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I know EoRdE6, some of the questions I don't know about relies on me to choose, often I leave them be, but if I know something about the question, that is the time I try to answer. I know I am new, and I am currently learning bit by bit, I know what I am doing, and I try desperately, it's not gonna happen again, trust me, I must first research until I blabber. Thank you again for the reminder. ~CedricK 19:07, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
I agree that this was not 100% going to pass, I was having a look at it at the time you posted this, and was about 50% sure it would survive. It's been improved, but if it hadn't that might have caused a long, confused debate about it. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:44, 27 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, I'm not gonna answer questions for the meantime. I am apparently new to everything around here, for the meantime, I'll continue on reading policies and guidelines. Sorry for any trouble I gave you guys. CedricK (talk) 20:28, 27 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Considering you said you weren't going to answer any more questions at the Teahouse, you seem to be answering a lot. Joseph2302 (talk) 01:40, 28 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I guess this is enough, though this is the ones that are easy to me, I have learned many things earlier, I spent most of the time reading guidelines, and didn't sleep... I left this question unanswered because I don't know what layout should I use for that question. Click here~CedricK (Talk to me!) 01:42, 28 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Help on new page

Hey, you tagged North American Gambling Treatment Centers as an advert. I'm guessing this is because there are only 3 of those in North American (US, Canada, Mexico) and their direct existence is non-trivial to find. That's why I made the pages. As suggestions of how to make this not an advert would be appreciated, as I'm at a loss of how to do that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johncab593 (talk • contribs) 21:16, 27 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Johncab593, First, bold the first text "North American Gambling Treatment Centers", second , "North American Gambling" the words are factually rare, which is for me, you can try to change the layout of your texts in section "Inpatient Centers offering care", if you have done those of which I have told you, I'll remove the advertisement tag. It really looks like an advertisement. CedricK (talk) 21:24, 27 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Did my best to make the changes. Not sure what to do about the title - the description is accurate, but you're probably right, it is also rare. Feel free to move the page to whatever you think appropriate. Johncab593 (talk) 21:47, 27 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You can rename it into a list, then you can add any north american gambling treatment centers, by the way, I removed the tag. CedricK (talk) 21:53, 27 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
Based on your response at the Teahouse, I'm sure you'll do just fine, especially if you don't follow my example. Ian.thomson (talk) 01:44, 28 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, thanks, I intend to be nice at everyone. ~CedricK (Talk to me!) 01:45, 28 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

United Christian Party (United States)

Hi, friend. I appreciate that you're probably working fast in the new pages queue, but please be careful not to template new pages showing the CONSTRUCTION banner. It just slows down the work. Thanks. —Tim /// Carrite (talk) 02:46, 28 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Carrite: Sorry for the maintenance tags, please, go on with the development of the page. ~CedricK (Talk to me!) 02:53, 28 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Tagging of ICD-10-CM Diagnosis Code A00.0 Cholera due to Vibrio cholerae 01, biovar cholerae

I recently removed a speedy delete tag that you had placed on ICD-10-CM Diagnosis Code A00.0 Cholera due to Vibrio cholerae 01, biovar cholerae. I do not think that ICD-10-CM Diagnosis Code A00.0 Cholera due to Vibrio cholerae 01, biovar cholerae fits any of the speedy deletion criteria  because This isn't a proper A7 speedy as the subject isn't "a real person, individual animal(s), organization, web content, or organized event". I request that you consider not re-tagging ICD-10-CM Diagnosis Code A00.0 Cholera due to Vibrio cholerae 01, biovar cholerae for speedy deletion without discussing the matter on the appropriate talk page.

I thought it works for that problem too, sorry for that matter. ~CedricK (Talk to me!) 09:54, 28 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

May 2015

Stop icon You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions. Despite being told above you are not yet experienced enough to be answering questions at Teahouse and your promise to cease, you continue to disrupt the Teahouse by giving incorrect advice. STOP. Any further answering of questions at the Teahouse will force me to request you be immediately indefinitely blocked for disruption and lack of competence. John from Idegon (talk) 09:42, 28 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, i'll stop. ~CedricK (Talk to me!) 09:50, 28 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi CryOCed - I've removed your addition to Mahboob Chowk Clock Tower, as it looks like it was copied straight from the source you provided. Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted material, including text or images from print publications or from other websites, without an appropriate and verifiable license. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of content, such as sentences or images—you must write using your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. If you have any questions or think I got something wrong, feel free to let me know. Thanks. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 13:24, 28 May 2015 (UTC) Same for CD180. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 14:13, 28 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

SuperHamster That was before I learnt it wasn't right, so I apologize deeply for the trouble I costed. Feel free to remove you see whats wrong. ~CedricK (Talk to me!) 23:52, 28 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, and no problem - I like your will to learn. I removed a few more copyvios I found, and I think I've found everything - but if you could also go through your contributions and note if there are any I missed, that'd be great. Thanks, ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 13:48, 29 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Talkpage formatting

Please could you remove the center styling from your talkpage, as it renders indentation virtually irrelevant and thus makes discussions much harder to follow. Thanks, Yunshui 雲水 14:35, 28 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yunshui, Done. ~CedricK (Talk to me!) 23:51, 28 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, it's appreciated. Yunshui 雲水 13:50, 29 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Teahouse

Hello CryOCed,

As you are a very new editor with only 336 edits, I do not believe that you have a good enough understanding of our policies and guidelines to answer questions as a Teahouse host. I suggest that you wait a few months while you develop a better understanding of how things operate here. Please also work on improving the clarity of your writing in English. Thank you. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 15:31, 28 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Cullen328, I understand. I know I am too much of a newbie to just answering random questions that I haven't known of, I accept that I will have much more further training. Thank you. ~CedricK (Talk to me!) 23:54, 28 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, and please feel free to ask questions at the Teahouse. I wish you well. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 00:03, 29 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Page

Hey CryOCed I understand you are thirsty for editing, but i just put that article up and am continually editting it. Sorry if you don't understand it because you have no background, but i am trying to provide that for people. I have 4 days until i can upload photos and i am referencing everything right now. So please stop interfering and harassing my page — Preceding unsigned comment added by MattBaginski (talk • contribs) 04:09, 30 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I understand MattBaginski, either way, you're slowly improving the page, It is still confusing through the fact that not only me have put up a tag concerning the references. However, it is confusing. I do not harass your page of some sort, neither if I did, I apologize greatly. Until then, I'll be watching that page to see some imrpovements, but overall, after 4 days of no improvement, I will put up the speedy deletion tag again. ~CedricK (Talk to me!) 04:20, 30 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Just letting you know... Learn to edit what you have experience in. I can't upload pictures and so it might be hard to imagine/understand for now, but thats a restriction wikipedia set-not me. I put up references. I will put up more, but the references I have already put up verify all the statements i have made. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MattBaginski (talk • contribs) 08:03, 30 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate the reminder and thank you. There are articles that have no pictures yet can be defined softly. Yours actually needs inline citations and as I said, sources. I'll let the others think of your page instead of me, so that way, you can know its not me entirely who is giving your page a thumbs down. I do not criticize, please, feel free to improve the page. ~CedricK (Talk to me!) 10:05, 30 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page stalker) Sorry for barging in. I just looked at micromotors. It needs a lot of improvement (too technical, lead may not summarize the article well), but Cedrick, before proposing things for deletion, please do a quick Google search. If you find lots of sources and the subject is clearly notable. It is often much better to improve than to tag, particularly to tag for deletion. Happy editing to you both! Happy Squirrel (talk) 14:35, 30 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Happysquirrel, that was before the page didn't have any references nor categories at all. Thanks for the suggestion though. . ~CedricK (Talk to me!) 15:42, 30 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I understand that. However, except for BLPs, it's not so much what state it is now, but what it can become. That is why a Google search is so useful. You can find some sources and get a good idea of notability. You can then improve the article. Deleting an article because it is not yet in a good state is not the best use of prod. Article usually start as unreferenced stubs. It's what they become which is important. Happy Squirrel (talk) 16:28, 30 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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