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May 16

Taxing the post office

Is it normal for a US local government to impose property taxes on USPS-owned post offices? Trying to get a construction year for File:Lacarne post office 43439.jpg, I checked the local GIS website and got the building's records, but while trying to find a construction year (it ended up being in the Improvements tab), I observed that they'd charged the USPS about $74 in taxes last year. Their tax bill (linked from the same page) mentions the $74 special assessment and another $718 in ordinary taxes for last year. Does the post office really pay local property taxes? I assumed that this would fall under McCulloch v. Maryland (the USPS isn't a federal institution per se, but nor was the Second Bank of the US), but the tax bill would seem to reject that idea. The federal government voluntarily pays pittances to counties with large areas of national forest land, since those lands aren't taxed (or at least they did this in the early 1970s, the time that I was researching when I learnt a little about such payments), but this looks like "pay or face sheriff's sale", not "hey we'd appreciate that voluntary pittance, please". Nyttend (talk) 03:22, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You're right that USPS-owned buildings, as federal property, are not subject to taxes. However, the parcel is in the name of "FDI Postal Properties," and that's not the U.S. Postal Service but rather a private company which now appears to own the building. My guess would be that the post office building went under a sale-leaseback arrangement, and if the government is now leasing the facility from a private company, the private company would be subject to taxes. (BTW, the payment in lieu of taxes program is still in force for federal lands, now called the Secure Rural Schools Act.) NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 03:55, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That makes sense; thank you. Your concluding links helped me find the County payments article, which deals directly with the forest lands. Nyttend (talk) 04:15, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Which big 4 North American sports teams have Euro-style names or logos?

Like how the Atlanta Hawks logo says "ATLANTA HAWKS" / "BASKETBALL CLUB". Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 12:00, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I am uncertain what you mean by "Euro-style" names and logos. Can you elaborate what distinguishes a logo or name as "Euro-style"? --Jayron 32 12:23, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Furthermore, you don't actually need us to solve this problem. Every team's logo is in the infobox on their page. You can find all the teams listed at each Wikipedia page for the league. National Hockey League, National Basketball Association, Major League Baseball, and National Football League (if you count all of those as "Big 4". If you're including soccer, Major League Soccer is the North American Major Soccer League.) --Jayron 32 12:27, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Also, if you want them all on one page, Chris Creamer's sports logos website, http://www.sportslogos.net/ , is also a good source. --Jayron 32 13:14, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I should've thought of Googling. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 13:34, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not seeing anything remotely like the Euro symbol in that logo. Can you explain what you mean? 131.251.254.81 (talk) 13:11, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't mean it resembles "€" (I don't think it does), I meant "club". I wouldn't be surprised if some big 4 teams' long form legal name has club in it but I don't recall seeing it on a logo before. Some of our soccer teams sound European (besides the N. American cities) (i.e. Toronto FC, FC Kansas City, Real Salt Lake and the hybrid Seattle Sounders FC) but the big 4 sports leagues exclude soccer. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 13:34, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That's been the case with the baseball teams for a long time, though some might not use "club" anymore. The National League's full name is, or was, the National League of Professional Baseball Clubs. And the teams are often called "clubs". ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 13:54, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The formal name for the Cubs is "Chicago National League Ball Club, Inc."[1]. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 13:57, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The Twins are the only MLB team with "club" right on the main current logo according to the site Jayron found. It does seem more normal with baseball. I always thought it was a limited usage holdover of the past like how announcers say "he struck out the side" but don't go around always saying side and never saying team like it's England. And baseball loves 1900 retro, lol. "the National League of Professional Base Ball Clubs. Estd. 1876". Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:25, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That's a logo they use for publications, but they don't wear it on their uniforms. I would have to say offhand that very few, if any, ball clubs have had the words "ball club" on their uniforms. In olden days their "brand" was the city they played for, hence the uniform reflected that. In more recent years, the "brand" is the nickname. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:18, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Prior to the 1920s or so, team nicknames were usually unofficial, and granted by sportswriters, players, coaches, or owners for a variety of reasons, and were fluid and often changed from year to year or even within the season. Boston Red Sox#History is instructive. --Jayron 32 17:42, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It was the 1930s before most everyone started wearing their team nicknames on their uniforms, and even then it was mostly the home uniforms, with the road uniforms bearing the city name. Branding began early, as with the Athletic Baseball Club of Philadelphia, the Cincinnati Red Stockings, the Detroit Tigers, etc. The usage of these brands accelerated once the teams saw the advantage to it. Consider the Washington Senators. They were officially the Nationals until they put Senators on their uniforms in the 1950s. Prior to that, their logo was a block "W". In the early 1900s, the Chicago Nationals were called the Cubs by some local newspapers and the Colts by other local papers. It was finally settled in 1906 when Cubs was adopted along with an early version of the team logo - a "C" with a bear inside it. The oldest logo in baseball would be the gothic "A" of the Oakland Athletics, which is around 150 years old. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 19:30, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The Montreal Canadiens logo is a C within a C, and an H inside. It stands for "Club de Hockey Canadien". ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 19:33, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That's not a C within a C; it's one C with a decorative outline around it. I think it represents both of the C's in the full name. --69.159.60.83 (talk) 05:41, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Either way, it implies "club", as noted in the history.[2] ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 06:24, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. --69.159.60.83 (talk) 08:33, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The New York Rangers's logo could be described as European-style, as it's in the form of a shield, like that of many European sports clubs. --Xuxl (talk) 20:39, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The NHL and the NFL also use shields as their league logos. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:42, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I am still confused as to what a Euro-style logo is. It sounds as if it's one with "club" in the logo but after studying the logos of some of the biggest European soccer clubs (Ajax, Borussia Dortmund, Juventus, Lazio, AC Milan, Olympique de Marseille, Manchester United, Newcastle United, Paris SG, UC Sampdoria, Tottenham Hotspur) that doesn't appear to be the style at all. The first team I found with "club" in the logo was Liverpool. Furthermore, in England, they are often referred to as teams, by commentators and fans alike. One would never say, "What club do you support?" Can anyone clarify? I am dying to know.--Ykraps (talk) 16:15, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

European style = something like "Golden State Basketball Club" instead of Golden State Warriors, a fancy shield, year of establishment, stars for how many "cups" you've won, or anything like FC, F.C., CC, HC, RFC, BC (i.e. Indiana BC instead of Indiana Pacers) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:30, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I don't follow soccer enough to know what the question intends. But as for "club" vs. "team", they are often used as synonyms, but they aren't exactly the same. Generally speaking, the "team" is the players, the "club" is the entire organization. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:23, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I think I would broadly agree with those definitions. I was trying to understand Sagittarian Milky Way's earlier comment, "...but don't go around always saying side and never saying team like it's England". Perhaps someone can give me an example of an American style logo, then?--Ykraps (talk) 18:10, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

When I saw English Premier League soccer once the sportscasters seemed to replace every instance of "team(s)" with "side(s)". They said side so much in the hour I watched. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:30, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

AFAICT, perusing Creamer's Sports Logo site, noted above, is that many European sports teams use "Shield" style logos which resemble a coat of arms, where as American teams tend to use stylized or cartoon versions of their mascot or nickname. Compare, for example File:Liverpool FC.svg or File:FC Barcelona (crest).svg with File:Boston Celtics.svg or File:Atlanta Falcons logo.svg. --Jayron 32 18:16, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There are plenty of Euro soccer teams that use stylised logos, such as: Tottenham Hotspur FC, Nottingham Forest FC and Doncaster Rovers FC to name but a few. Logos like that were far more prevalent in the past, with lots of teams changing to a shield or circular shape during the 60s and 70s when sew-on patches became popular. Obviously it's easier to produce a patch in these shapes so perhaps the Atlanta Falcons are thinking along the same lines.

Actually, all of those USED to have a shield- or crest- style logo in the past; it looks like the use of styled mascot-type logos is more recent. See File:Tottenham Hotspur old logo.png or Doncaster_Rovers_F.C.#Crests. Even the modern Doncaster logo incorporates the shield design element. --Jayron 32 19:03, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hardly recent. Here's a picture of Jimmy Greaves wearing a stylized mascot Tottenham shirt and he ceased to play for the club in 1970.[[3]] I picked modern logos because we were discussing a supposedly modern trend but as I said, these style of logos were more prevalent in the past. See Chelsea's 1970 season shirt[[4]], Arsenal's 1971 shirt[[5]], Leeds United's in 1972 [[6]], Liverpool in 1973[[7]],Derby County in 1972 [[8]] and West Brom in 1968 [[9]]--Ykraps (talk) 12:28, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

May 17

Project management definition

According to your definition of project management, isn't everyone involved in project management in some way? Surely, the vast majority of jobs involve some level of "initiating, planning, executing, controlling, and closing the work of a team to achieve specific goals and meet specific success criteria"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.132.185.84 (talk) 16:44, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but the very next sentence after the one you've paraphrased makes it clear that this is in the context of a Project, which is a finite entity intended to to produce a specific goal (for example: the upgrading of a particular building), rather than ongoing general work (for example: carrying out whatever building maintenance and repairs various customers may request over a period of time).

That said, the line between Projects and general work is not always clear cut, and individual companies in various industries may use the term 'Project' in different ways. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 185.74.232.130 (talk) 17:52, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

And I suppose that many jobs overlap to some degree. Many office workers do some janitorial work, for example, such as cleaning up the coffee they spill on their desk. StuRat (talk) 18:05, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The project manager is the person who gets kicked first if things are not on time. In turn, he kicks the persons below, etc.--178.106.99.31 (talk) 21:58, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Doggie bedtime

At what time (in the evening) should one send one's dog to its bed?--178.106.99.31 (talk) 22:41, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I should think when the adults go to bed, otherwise they won't want to sleep while others are active, unless you have one of those breeds that sleeps all the time, then you don't need to send them to bed at all, as they will go on their own. StuRat (talk) 22:49, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

In your internet browser, search the words_dog sleep behavior_ (without the _underscores_ added here for emphasis). This will yield many articles from vet- or pet-centered websites whose reliability you can assess for yourself. Consider the dog's age, sex, breed traits, daytime activity, and feeding and elimination patterns when establishing a nighttime schedule. For example, a dog who lives indoors might benefit from a late walk before the owner's bedtime for the sake of bladder relief, while another might become overstimulated and restless. -- Deborahjay (talk) 08:25, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

White middle-class American family living in rough inner city

I'm looking for a specific blog. It's written by an American man who moved with his wife and daughters to the central residential area of a small old city. They aren't hipsters or property-developer-flippers. They made the decision decades ago, as a white, educated, employed family, that they'd get a better quality of life in a seriously run-down area than in a typical suburb. Their house is about 100 years old, spacious and gracious with multiple marble fireplaces, and costs a great deal less in mortgage and property tax than suburban tract houses. Their kids went to the local school (across the road - no need for bus or school run), have done well, and the older ones have gone to good universities. They can walk to local shops and other necessities, and so don't need a car for every adult. Their lives are untouched by violent crime, although police statistics and the local news say it's endemic. The point of the blog seems to be to show how low-key and doable such a life is. Any idea how I can find it again? I read it months ago, and not on this computer, so I don't think my history will help, and I've spent far too long already trying various search terms. Carbon Caryatid (talk) 23:13, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The best I can give from fiction is Larry Niven's Oath of Fealty (or is it Lucifer's Hammer?) in which one of the characters, a middle-class journalist, gets an apartment in the worst part of Los Angeles for the rent, and stays away from bad elements, and hides his goods from view of the window. He is single, but the rationale is the same. Indeed, I have done the same in NYC, having a three room apt, along with full kitchen and full bath and six south facing windows on the fourth floor of a building where I am the only (fluently Spanish-peaking, but) non-hispanic resident for well under $1,000/mo. A similar apartment in a "white" area of Manhattan would run for $5,000/mo. The big thing about bad neighbourhoods is avoiding the bad element and keeping your goods hidden. μηδείς (talk) 00:45, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well under $1K/month? Was it rent stabilized or a long commute from Manhattan or something? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:36, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the interesting perspective. I have discovered an additional tool that is not available to me, but which I assume still works for anyone within the US: a to Google's retired blog-only search. Any US-based RefDesker may wish to try [10] (for my query, or for their own future research). Carbon Caryatid (talk) 14:12, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

May 18

Must - a running (free) animal - run, either: after - or - off / away ?

Btw, a (free) human being can run for many other purposes, e.g. for sports etc. (Additionally, by "animal" I exclude ants). HOTmag (talk) 08:16, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Are you asking whether animals ever run other than in fleeing or pursuing? Well, my cats sometimes gallop for no obvious reason. —Tamfang (talk) 08:26, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oh really? So I wonder how about free horses (i.e. not harnessed)... HOTmag (talk) 08:36, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not really sure I understand what it is you're asking. Would you consider a horse that is kept in a fenced pasture as "free" since it is not in a harness at that time? If so, yes, they run and play like many other animals. I would therefore assume that free horses, such as Mustangs in the American West, would also run as part of play. Additionally, dogs in dog parks also run during their play time but again, I don't know if your definition of "free" would apply. Dismas|^(talk) 12:47, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

How about: deer and tigers, in the savanna? HOTmag (talk) 13:06, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Springbok characteristically run and jump around when a predator is in view, not in order to run away, but (supposedly) to demonstrate that they are so fit it's not worth chasing them. It seems likely to me that some species might include running demonstrations in their courtship display, but I can't bring any to mind at the moment. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 185.74.232.130 (talk) 13:37, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

See cursorial --Jayron 32 14:01, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

So you are asking about why and when critters run? See also animal play. On second thought, maybe not- that article is unfortunately almost solely about humans. Here are some nice books to skim on animal play [11] [12]. Many predators and prey will practice fight-or-flight type actions without any external danger or prey stimulus present. It's sort of like shadow boxing. This tends to be more common in immature animals, and far more common among mammals than other groups. It can make news headlines when a well-supported report of play is published for an unprecedented group, like this case [13] for some fish. SemanticMantis (talk) 15:34, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Cars Clubs like trippel A or ADAC.

I have seen in australia there are 3 different Clubs - western australia, Tasmania and Southern Australia. Why so many difference and can in australia anybody join one of this 3 clubs and have benefits? --Ip80.123 (talk) 08:46, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not familiar with either the AAA or ADAC, but I assume they are motorists' associations similar to the AA and provide services such as road side assistance. If so, the corresponding motorists' associations in Australia are state-based, the two largest being the NRMA in NSW and the ACT, and the RACV in Victoria. Category:Automobile associations in Australia lists the others. The Australian Automobile Association co-ordinates between the state-based bodies. There's also the separate Royal Automobile Club of Australia, which used to be a motorists' association but is now quite a different sort of club. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 09:24, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The capital cities are geographically remote and the clubs arose independently. Anyone who is a financial member can gain the benefits.
Sleigh (talk) 11:35, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

And just to add - if you pay for a membership level that gets you road side assistance with one association, you get reciprocal benefits from the other clubs if you happen to be driving in another city: see e.g. http://www.racv.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/racv/Internet/primary/membership/membership+reciprocity . --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 15:42, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Typical human anatomy

Is it typical that a person can bend their wrist forward so far my thumb can make contact with my wrist (with a bit of encouragement from my other hand) like I can. If not, is there any details on the implications of this and or how common this 'talent' is. Also, my thumb can be bent backwards at a right angle which I understand is uncommon. I'm not sure if both abilities go hand in hand (quite literally)

Physically, I have no other interesting skills. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.35.190.215 (talk) 21:46, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Could be to do with the elasticity of your tendons. However, if you hear a snapping sound, then you have gone too far.--178.106.99.31 (talk) 22:04, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hypermobility (joints) is our relevant article (with an impressive thumb-flexibility photo). Tevildo (talk) 00:30, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Also see Ehlers-Danlos syndrome. --TammyMoet (talk) 12:22, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

My thumb can have a right angle, with both my index finger and my wrist, simultaneously. When I was a child, a friend of mine had the first talent you've indicated, and I believe whoever has it has also the second one, but not (necessarily) vice versa. HOTmag (talk) 12:46, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

May 19

Hawaiian language

if the Hawaiian language are speaking only 24.000 people, why does the police departmens in hawaii have to have all police brands, the paperwork the signs inside a building, and the inscriptions on buildings be in both languages? Why does the Serial "hawaii five o" has to make every titel in the original language, if this language is spoken by 24.000 and of this 24.000 people maybe only 300 do have internet or the possibility to view the movie? There are made very very big steps for nothing, while other, "more necessary and more important" languages are dying. --Ip80.123 (talk) 03:59, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Where did you get that 24000 number from ? That might be just people who speak it as their main language, with many more speaking it along with English. So, providing both languages allows them to communicate in whichever they prefer. Also note that the language is a big tourism attraction, so they want to keep it going for that reason, too. Hawaii is expensive and distant compared with other tropical tourism destinations (like the Caribbean), so without it's "unique flavor", visitors would go elsewhere. StuRat (talk) 04:40, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The Wikipedia article, which has references for the number, at Hawaiian language states that number. Languages_of_the_United_States#Hawaiian has an (unreferenced) statement that says it may be as high as 27000. --Jayron 32 12:09, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ip80.123, if the relevant authorities in Hawaii stopped making these "very very big steps", to what other "more necessary and more important" languages" do you think their efforts should and could be redirected? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 185.74.232.130 (talk) 13:55, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia has an article titled Language preservation which may help in the OPs research as well. --Jayron 32 14:20, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, also Endangered_language. Suffice it to say, not everyone thinks that the value of a language is determined by its number of speakers. SemanticMantis (talk) 15:36, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Here is an additional resource that might help explain why the governmental agencies in question want to conserve the language, and what legal arguments have been used to justify these actions. [14] SemanticMantis (talk) 22:35, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If the Hawaiian language died out, there would be nore more Wiki wikis.--178.106.99.31 (talk) 23:17, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As for Hawaii Five-0, the episode titles are in Hawaiian just because it makes the show feel exotic. It's not a serious attempt to preserve the language, any more than Rome putting many of its episode titles in Latin was. Smurrayinchester 08:13, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

May 20

Insect control

alle the time insects inside the putting hole where my golf ball fall inside. What can I do? --185.51.85.16 (talk) 12:42, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You could trying bringing a can of Raid with you in your golf bag, and spray the cup before you finish putting. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 12:51, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That would expose them to all those toxic chemicals. StuRat (talk) 18:05, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That is precisely the idea. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 00:02, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"them" = "golf players". StuRat (talk) 02:53, 22 May 2016 (UTC) [reply]

They can wear a mask. (Though the ants might do likewise.) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 03:43, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I don't really want to kill them. As I figured out, the cup I bought is way higher than the others sold on Amazon.. this might be the reason, but it is still annoying (I know, its a first world problem)--185.51.85.16 (talk) 12:55, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If you don't want to kill them, maybe you could carry one of those "Gopher" things, kind of a giant pair of tweezers,[15] so you could retrieve the ball and shake the critters off before you put the ball back in your hand. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 12:58, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You have the right idea, but the general purpose grabber you listed doesn't seem like it could open up inside the hole. Here's one specifically for golf balls: [16]. They might also want to disinfect the ball that just had bugs on it, so maybe they could carry 2 balls, one in play and the other in a little sealed cup with alcohol in it. (This isn't necessary from a health POV, though.) StuRat (talk) 18:00, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

How about putting a crushed mothball down there? The odor should repel insects for a long time. Markbassett (talk) 16:10, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

My God, sometimes life can be so difficult. Richard Avery (talk) 06:49, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Just think about the poor insects, trying to make a home for themselves and this massive ball keeps popping in through the front door. KägeTorä - (^影_虎) (もしもし！) 11:32, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It would be like Indiana Jones having to relive the first scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark over and over again. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:14, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Why not just cover or block the hole when not in use?--Shantavira|^{feed me} 07:55, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Then he wouldn't be able to get a hole in one. KägeTorä - (^影_虎) (もしもし！) 09:55, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

May 21

Besides water

Besides water, what other liquids could fish live in? Milk? Coffee? Paint? Others? KägeTorä - (^影_虎) (もしもし！) 11:25, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Before trying that, consider this: How long might freshwater fish live in salt water, and vice versa? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 12:13, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Some fish species can live in both freshwater and saltwater. These species are called Euryhaline fish. However, most fish species can only survive in one or the other based on their salinity tolerance, or how much salt their bodies can handle. KägeTorä - (^影_虎) (もしもし！) 12:16, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Fish cannot live in any liquid except water. Some species can cope with a certain level of pollution - so might manage dilute milk or coffee. It would depend on the species, the exact contaminant, and the concentrations. 86.141.19.154 (talk) 17:38, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well, all the proposed liquids are water solutions. So is any water that isn't distilled or otherwise purified by humans. The issue is, as you noted, the contaminants. For coffee, the caffeine would likely kill the fish. Caffeine is quite toxic to many animals (the whole reason why plants make it is as an insecticide). And I assume fish can't live in liquids that aren't water solutions, e.g. oil, except maybe liquid breathing solutions as mentioned below. --71.110.8.102 (talk) 23:15, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Extremely diluted coffee or any other liquid - as long as the dilution is done with water - is indistinguishable from water with minute amounts of extraneous matter, which in turn is indistinguishable from naturally occurring drinkable fresh water. So the question is, as you continue to dilute it, when does coffee cease being extremely weak coffee and become extremely slightly adulterated water? I have certainly been served the latter, masquerading as "coffee". -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 00:38, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

An extreme oldie... Waitress in lonely café, gazing out window: "It looks like rain." Male customer, the only other one in the cafe: "Yes, but it smells like coffee." ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 03:42, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps a combination of perfluorocarbons, used in liquid breathing, would work for fish, too ? StuRat (talk) 17:50, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Youtuber Tobis_tricks

there is a youtuber, he has not even 3000 subscribers and he also has only max. 5.000 views per video but he asked for support, he made a video to demonstrate how to be able to view a website when adblock is enabled. The owner of the website are now in court to institute legal claims. If he lost his "battle" he will be forced to pay a fine over 8.000 Euros for 1. "showing how to circumvent copy protection" 2. copyright claims. What I don't understand is how he could get so much support if he is so small on youtube. He got from different people 8.000 Euros to his bank account to pay the best layer which is available to win this battle. This sound like something impossible. Because someone who has only 5.000 views is like "nobody" in youtube...--Ip80.123 (talk) 18:22, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sometimes if you cry hard enough, people will help you. Seriously, though, are you sure he is not lying? Either about the court case or the fact he got so much help? Can you verify this? KägeTorä - (^影_虎) (もしもし！) 18:59, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I can only vertify that he didn't had 8000 euro and that his fundraising project endet because he had got enough money on this one plattform where he asked for moeny. It was something like Fidor Bank. @[[KägeTorä And the comments under his videos are like "there is no copyright claim I give you money" or verbale attacks against Axel springer or kai dietmay (which is the person who wants to ban him out of youtube and which want to force him to pay 8.000 euro) --Ip80.123 (talk) 22:05, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

5,000 views per video is quite a different thing from 5,000 views in total. Although we can presume some of those views are from the same people watching each video, it's unlikely all are. And in any case, multiplication gets you to big numbers pretty quickly. If only 1,000 people give you 10 Euros each—not a very large amount for most people in developed countries—you now have 10,000 Euros. If people donate more, obviously, it takes even fewer donations. This is kind of a general human problem: our brains just aren't good at easily visualizing large quantities (see Dunbar's number). Sure, 5,000 views isn't that large compared to the highest view counts, but the highest view counts are outliers. 5,000 people is too large to fit in many venues. And to reiterate, if you average 5,000 views per video the total number of people who have watched at least one of your videos is higher than that. --71.110.8.102 (talk) 23:40, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Mamiya RB67

This is an important type of film camera. There used to be a Wikipedia entry for this camera. It has disappeared. What happened to it? How can it be re-instated?

Ted Rook

NY USA

67.210.40.116 (talk) 19:17, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I can't see any evidence that Wikipedia has ever had an article called Mamiya RB67, although it may have existed with some other name that I can't find. We do have an article about the RB67's cousin the Mamiya RZ67, and CameraWiki (which isn't affiliated with us) has an article about the RB67 (which may be what you remember). -- Finlay McWalter··–·Talk 19:31, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There's a draft stub article at User:Rgoffin/Mamiya RB67, last updated in 2011, incidentally. Until recently, such articles would have shown up on Google and similar search engines. Tevildo (talk)

some script program for mac?

Hey, 10 years ago, when I was using windows there was a game, as I remember which has count how much times i press my mouse button per second a full minute long. Than the game has ended And one of my friend had for Windows a script program which has emulated that someone is clicking the mouse button very very much times. We called this "cheating" because of course no one could beat the highscore of the bot program. Is there something like this for mac, where I can programe a bot to click the mouse button a few times per hour itself? Or that the bot will press a key on the keyboard? I found again a game like this on mac and I would like to cheat. --Ip80.123 (talk) 22:38, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note that such a program is risky to use, as you may end up clicking all sorts of things you didn't want to click. StuRat (talk) 02:52, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

May 22

Strange Notation on Pint Glass

I have a pint glass here with the Carling logo on the 'front', and on the 'back' is a picture of the crown, with '2043' underneath it. What does this mean? KägeTorä - (^影_虎) (もしもし！) 11:09, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Found the answer: Glasses must be approved with crown stamp as correct size. Number represents manufacturer, 2043 is Cristallerie D'Arques nr. Calais, France. KägeTorä - (^影_虎) (もしもし！) 11:16, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved

Really the number is the certifying authority, which used to be mostly the weights-and-measures departments of local authorities. Now they let manufacturers effectively self-certify, so it's become de facto a manufacturer code - a list is here, with companies starting at 2043. -- Finlay McWalter··–·Talk 11:26, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sadly, there's now a CE mark instead of a crown on pint and half-pint glasses. "EU stealing the crown of the great British pint" ranted the Daily Mail in 2007. It's almost enough to make you vote for a Brexit. We once persuaded a German visitor that the Queen had personally checked every pint glass (or at least he was polite enough to go along with the joke). Alansplodge (talk) 11:42, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The government's 2015 advice about interpreting the 2006 EU regulation (here) says a crown may still be used as a decoration in post-2006 glasses: "The Directive does permit other markings provided the visibility and legibility of the CE mark is not reduced. Stylised crown markings on beer glasses etc are permitted on a voluntary basis as a decoration provided that they are marked in such a way that they could not be confused with the CE marking" (p28). So post-2006 the CE is normative and the crown merely decorative. A typical pint glass manufacturer's indications as to what they print is here. It might we worth noting that this is only for classes "in trade" - for pubs; glasses you might buy in the supermarket for use at home may well not be marked at all. -- Finlay McWalter··–·Talk 11:57, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Section 22 of that same note also says that glasses in use before 30 October 2006, which don't bear the CE mark, can still be used. I imagine the robustness of the chunky dimpled pint glass, even in trade, might allow some of those at least still to be in service. -- Finlay McWalter··–·Talk 12:03, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Gosh, I haven't seen a dimple pint glass in a pub for decades, perhaps they're still popular "oop North"? Alansplodge (talk) 17:01, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going t'pub tonight - I shall report back. -- Finlay McWalter··–·Talk 17:12, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I recall back in the 1970s, that "real men" held their pints by gripping the main part of the glass with fingers through the handle; those who held the glass by actually using the handle were suspected of being either foreign, an upper-class twit or some sort of sexual deviant. O tempora o mores!.

Dimple glasses

Exactly why have dimple glasses in pubs disappeared?--178.106.99.31 (talk) 17:47, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Boredom

Do some people get bored more easily than others?--178.106.99.31 (talk) 17:50, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]