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"Sometimes the questions are complicated and the answers are simple," Dr. Seuss

Grateful for all the help I receive here at Wikipedia, I am happy to offer my assistance and will do what I can. Just click on:

Adopt me :)

Hi, I've been scrolling through the adoption section and your profile sounded interesting. I think you could be of great help.

There isn't much to say about me, but the bit that is, here it goes: 

I'm basically bringing my contribution to Wikipedia because I got overly curious one day and I've clicked that Edit button and things went out of control due to over excitement. I am at the moment preparing for admission to a PhD in fashion and I thought of channelling my topic on the contemporary costume of the Muslim woman aka, the modest fashion movement, and since I'm on it, I thought that researching and gathering the info from the internet would pair nicely with contributing to the knowledge basket, so here I am, taking two rabbits at a time. My research should contain info on Islam as a social movement, basically, why do Muslim women dress the way they do and which are the influences from various points of view, religious texts, social and economic contexts, practicability and cultural sensitivity. Ideally, while gathering all the right data, from the proper, verifiable sources, I should be able to create original content on the topic and educate others on what Muslim fashion is all about, on various educational platforms. Whether it is small or large, any input or help will be appreciated.

Loads of thanks!

Alice--Rusu Alina-Alice 13:13, 16 April 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maraal01 (talk • contribs)

Hello Maraal01 / Alice,

Sorry it took a bit to get back to you, I took a couple of days off. I would be happy to help out any way I could. Sounds very interesting! Did you want to start a new article?

You may be interested in joining one of the WP:Wikiprojects, like perhaps WP:WikiProject Fashion as an interesting way to find other like-minded people.–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:45, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Adopt me :)

Heya. Thank you! I'll look into it! Yes, I'd love to write articles and I hope in the near future I will.. at the moment I'm still figuring out the editing part. --Rusu Alina-Alice 07:19, 22 April 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maraal01 (talk • contribs)

Hi Maraal01, I have had a lot of personal life things going on in my life and haven't been online a lot lately... sorry it's taken awhile to get back to you. I'd be happy to help with any editing questions you have. Let me know how I can help. I'll also take a look at your contributions.–CaroleHenson (talk) 23:35, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Fascinating Friar

	The Tau Award
	For helping do a complete rewrite and expansion on Mariano Gagnon, OFM. I give you the Tau Award for helping write a biography on this fascinating friar. TonyBallioni (talk) 23:00, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

It seems this goes to both of us. You did a great job as well - great edits and focus! So, I'm very happy to share it with you. It was a lot more enjoyable working with someone that working on something alone, so thanks for that.–CaroleHenson (talk) 00:26, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Not a problem. Now to see if we can get it to GA at some point. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:17, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Sounds good.–CaroleHenson (talk) 02:03, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Heh, apparently the used book version of Warriors in Eden I bought for next to nothing was an autographed copy. I'll try to pick out key passages that would be in line with WP:PRIMARY to add to the article this weekend. TonyBallioni (talk) 03:27, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Mariano Gagnon

On 21 May 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Mariano Gagnon, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Mariano Gagnon was a Franciscan friar who organized airlifts to help refugees escape the Shining Path? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Mariano Gagnon. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Mariano Gagnon), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 00:04, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi there again!

Hi Carole, I'm back on wikipedia! When you get a chance would you please edit the new article that I'm working "JohnBob Carlos" thanks LisD 05:25, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Manually signed, added this for username and links: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lisdip1 (talk • contribs)

Hi Lisdip1, Yep, I reviewed the article and documented the reason for the change is in the edit summary, which can be seen in the history. If I can clarify anything, though, please let me know.

I am not sure why you added the {{BLP sources}} tag on the article. But, it's fairly well sourced, so I removed it. I did add a tag for notability, though. Please see WP:CREATIVE. I am not sure that there is sufficient notability, but perhaps you can add further information that speaks to the criteria under WP:CREATIVE.

As an FYI, you can automatically sign your talk postings by entering ~~~~ after you type your message. Then, like magic, when you save your message, it will add your name, links to your user and talk page, and date and time stamp. For instance, I typed the four tildes to sign here:–CaroleHenson (talk) 11:54, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you!

Carole, thank you so much for editing my article. I added the BP/sources by mistake because I had not done articles in a long time. I still need to add more to this article because this person was the reason why ROGG was stopped it was multimillion dollar project to build a road on the Everglades. I will keep adding more. Thanks LisD 12:05, 24 May 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lisdip1 (talk • contribs)

Ok, great!

Regarding signing, if for some reason the tilde (~) is not on your keyboard (it's to the left of the "1" on my keyboard), there's a wikimarkup for it on the "Insert" menu selection in the edit window, just below where you type your message in edit mode.–CaroleHenson (talk) 12:13, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

JohnBob Carlos

Thank you so much for helping me citing sources. I appreciate all your help! LisD 22:26, 25 May 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lisdip1 (talk • contribs)

Lisdip1 My pleasure! I just caught cosmetics, I will do a better review later.–CaroleHenson (talk) 22:42, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Training on how to add a new wikipedia page

Hey, we talked earlier on regarding the bioCard page which seemed to get speedy deletion. I wanted to ask you why does that violate and how can i make a page to avoid those problems which have been raise. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deassismoneira (talk • contribs) 22:51, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi Deassismoneira,

I don't remember the specifics, but from your talk page, it looks like there were not sufficient reliable sources, which in itself is an issue. Or, it could have been notability. Sometimes such cases get tagged as promotional articles.

I highly recommend looking at Wikipedia:Your first article. It has a lot of great advice.

I got an edit conflict and see that you added kenbro industries ltd or chandaria industries or comcraft group as potential other companies from Kenya or Nairobi that you want to write about. I can help you see if we can find sufficient sources, perhaps using the {{Find sources}} tool.–CaroleHenson (talk) 23:09, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

It looks like Chandaria Industries and Comcraft Group are much more likely to be viable articles of the three and have at least one existing Wikipedia article to link to it.

For sources, one of the steps in Wikipedia:Your first article, here are links to queries:

• Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

• Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL–CaroleHenson (talk) 23:20, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Companies and Organizations in Nairobi

You can check out kenbro industries ltd or chandaria industries or comcraft group — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deassismoneira (talk • contribs) 23:05, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Holocaust Article - Section WWII

Good morning Carole,

I just saw today your message - I am so slow with technology (I don't know how to use a cell phone) !

You wrote: "I have no idea what you mean about me removing citation information."

Carole, I put 2 sentences, below “WWII”, which nobody removed, explaining correct link between WWII, a context, and Holocaust. Then, I found the citation by Doris Bergen, that I thought it was good to add as per wiki regulations.

I added Bergen’s citation, without using template, as I was not sure how to do it (sometimes, I could figure it out!). 

Then, Carole, you removed my 2 sentences about link between Holocaust and WWII and the citation, because I didn’t put them in template.

I would have appreciated it if you would have kept the 2 sentences and put the citation in correct template.

I still think that the my addition with reliable source is important. Can you please, reconsider and add them back with using template for citation. I am now reading Longerich who also noticed the relationship between WWII and Holocaust.

I am really really trying hard to learn, improve, and listen to suggestions. My goal is to improve wiki with collaboration so wiki is good for everybody!

I have been considered very good at presenting the Holocaust, in an encyclopedic manner, so the public (I gave lectures) and students could understand the: what, who, where, why and when (I add the how ;-)

Thank you Carole for helping me being better!Henia Perlman (talk) 16:55, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

I moved this to the article talk page, Talk:The Holocaust#World War II - removed info to keep it with the article related discussions.–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:33, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Messages

Thanks Carole for your explanation! I think I got it. I only use my computer, as I hardly know how to use my cell phone ;-)

Have a wonderful week-end Carole!Henia Perlman (talk) 21:27, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

My pleasure, Henia Perlman. I hope you have a lovely weekend, too.–CaroleHenson (talk) 22:16, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Barrio Puerto - translation discussion

Hi Carol,

Thanks for your previous message, and the tips you provided.

My name is Edgardo [you can just call me Ed], and I translated the Barrio puerto article, just for the purpose of getting the article ready for an upcoming edit-a-thon, next Friday (June 16th). I did this, as a way to detect possible editing conflicts.

This edithaton has been coordinated with Wikimedia Chile, and its purpose is to foster Sustainable Tourism in Valparaiso.

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Encuentros/I_Editat%C3%B3n_Upla-Inacap_2017:_Turismo_sustentable

We have been provided with a series of documents regarding specific places in Valparaíso, namely, different places in Barrio puerto y Cerro Alegre. We received this document from the Tourism department in Municipalidad de Valparaiso, as an valuable input for our activity.

Therefore, we are expecting to add more information this Friday, based on these documents we got from the Municipalidad de Valparaiso.

That is why I d like to ask your advice to avoid any further conflict, starting by following your tips.

Best Regards,

Ed

--Adriano Segundo (talk) 01:57, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi Ed,

I would be happy to help out, let me know how I can help. I had a hard time finding sources in English - or ones in Spanish that were easy enough for me to use translate.google.com / figure it out based upon what I can remember of Spanish, etc. So it would be good to get your input on the article.

Regarding sources, perhaps some of this will help:

• There are also books at this google books query - and the citations can be formatted by copying the url to http://reftag.appspot.com/ and it will format the citations first in fields and then in reference.
• Perhaps more content from this journal article (already used once in the article and can be used for subsequent used by it's ref name. Just type <ref name="ARQ" /> for the citation).
• As a side note, often articles from tourism sites have a promotional tone, so it's good to watch out that doesn't care over to the article.

I hope you have fun at your edit-a-thon! I'll come back and do another review after the 16th.–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:56, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

German occupied Europe

You asked me to put suggestion at talk of article, but I thought to post to Simon, Eadgy? and Simon And the title id "German-Occupied Europe (not territories)

Here my message to Simon:

German occupied Europe

I am not sure if you see Simon messages, so here it it for you too: German occupied Europe Suggestion without undue weight[edit source] Here it is:

German–occupied Europe or Nazi Europe refers to the sovereign countries of Europe, INCLUDING FRENCH NORTH AFRICA (ref. 1) which were occupied by the military forces of Nazi Germany at various times between 1939 and 1945 and administered by the Nazi regime.(ref. 2)

Ref. 1: Shoah - Block 27 http://auschwitz.org/en/visiting/national-exhibitions/shoah-block-27 Map of Nazi-occupied Europe (inclusive of French North Africa in map of Europe and in narrative) http://culture.pl/en/event/new-permanent-exhibition-at-auschwitz-birkenau https://www.holocaustremembrance.com/media-room/news-archive/opening-new-permanent-exhibition-%E2%80%9Cshoah%E2%80%9D-auschwitz-birkenau “

… the new exhibition, which is divided into several galleries. They are devoted to such things as Jewish life before the war, the ideology of the Nazis and the extermination of Jews within the Nazi-occupied Europe.” http://auschwitz.org/en/visiting/national-exhibitions/shoah-block-27 http://auschwitz.org/en/museum/news/shoah-new-exhibition-in-block-27-light-of-remembrance-for-avner-shalev-,1016.html “the story of the Jews that were persecuted and murdered, here and across the European continent”

“In November 1942, … French North Africa … this extension of Europe ...” Kaspi, André Les Juifs pendant l'occupation. Seuil, Paris: Éditions du Seuil 1991; p. 175.

• German Map of Europe of the German general staff dated 20, 1942; in p. 3 of article written by Dr. Norbert Kampe, historian and then Director of the Wannsee House, and published in SHALOM/VOL. XLI/PRINTEMPS 2004/PESSAH 5764

http://www.shalom-magazine.com/pdfs/41/Fr/KAMPE%20FR_41.pdf

German map of Europe http://www.diercke.de/kartenansicht.xtp?artId=978-3-14-100770-1&seite=62&id=15966&kartennr=1# Yad Vashem writes: “Under the French-German cease-fire agreement, North Africa was considered part of unoccupied Vichy France” http://www.yadvashem.org/odot_pdf/Microsoft%20Word%20-%205726.pdf

Ref. 2: Encyclopædia Britannica, German occupied Europe. World War II. Retrieved 1 September 2015 from the Internet Archive.

I just now read messages by Carole and Eadgylt (I think), and I am truly sorry. But I am trying hard. I also thought to share with you my research, as I am planning to edit more:

France, mentioned in the article, was and is a transcontinental country, which, during WWII included mainland France or the Metropole, and France d’outre-mer (overseas) which included the 91, 92, 93, 94 departments in French Algeria, an integral part of the French republic, and the two French protectorate of Morocco and Tunisia; according to Kaspi there were 700,000 Jews living there (300,000 in mainland France and 400,000 in French North Africa). Kaspi, André Les Juifs pendant l'occupation. Seuil, Paris: Éditions du Seuil 1991; p. 177

In his book Himmler A Life, Longerich writes that in December 1942, Himmler discussed with Hitler the destruction of 600-700.000 Jews of France: “… there are currently at least 1.5 million deadly enemies of the Axis living … in the previously part of France, namely 600,000-700,000 Jews… ‘The Fuhrer gave orders that the Jews and other enemies in France should be arrested and deported. This should take place, however, only once he has spoken with Laval about it. It is a matter of 6-700.000 Jews.’" in ch. 21. The Murder of the European Jews, p. 648. Longerich tells about the fate of the Jews in French North Africa as part of the Holocaust in France, in his “brief survey of the fate of the Jews in the countries occupied by and allied with Germany” and the “systematic murder of the Jews of Europe” (Longerich, Peter (2010). Holocaust: The Nazi Persecution and Murder of the Jews. Oxford; New York: Oxford University Press; p. 435, and p. 492). “Included in the 700,000 Jews for unoccupied France are those of the North African colonies.” p. 307. “… the Jews of French North Africa, who had already been included among the victims of the coming ‘Final Solution’ envisaged at the Wannsee Conference.” p. 391

A successor to the Madagascar project In his note for Himmler Eichmann wrote that this project would encompass ‘a total of some 5.8 million Jews’, … four million …Madagascar project. Planning had evidently been extended in the meantime to include German allies and satellites in Estern Europe and the Jews in the French colonies. p. 173.

Madagascar project … Rademacher’s August memo … he now estimated the number of Jews to be sent to Madagascar as 6.5 million, an indication that the Jews from south-east Europe as well as those from the French colonies in North Africa were to be included. p. 510.

Yehuda Bauer, Academic Advisor to YV, tells about the fate of the Jews in French North Africa in his section on the Jews in Europe in his book A History of the Holocaust, (1982), (p. 248): “ten: WESTERN EUROPEAN JEWRY, 1940-1944 FRANCE Algerian Jews under Vichy Rule (p. 256) In Algeria ... Cremieux ... Simialr measures ... in Morocco and Tunisia. ... Haven and London: Yale University Press, 2001

I am going to sleep. Thank you Simon, Eadgy?, and Carole.Henia Perlman (talk) 08:38, 11 June 2017 (UTC)Henia Perlman (talk) 08:53, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi, I am not sure if there's anything you're asking of me here. It seems to be an FYI (for your information) message.

You're working with Simon / Irondome, so posting something on his talk page to work on developing content, citations, etc. is a good thing. I just meant that otherwise, content should be posted on the article talk page.

Yes, in general, I have been taking a peak at your contributions.–CaroleHenson (talk) 13:40, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

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Moved message that was accidently hidden in a table above:

I would be very happy if you included Ramesses III Dna and Pentawer into the wiki page about Dna history of Egypt. Thanks if you do.Also I created that page to only state Egypt Ancient Dna so perhaps can I recreate it. I wasn't including modern DNA.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Juggab (talk • contribs) June 12, 2017 (UTC)

Hi Juggab, I copied that info from Genetics of Ancient Egypt to DNA history of Egypt with this edit.

There is a section regarding ancient DNA already, it seems like it is duplicative and it's better to have the greater context of ancient and modern DNA, per the last sentence of that section. In addition, this article is already well-cited and has many links to it... so it is more likely that it will be read by people looking for information about the subject.

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It's better not to create articles about the same subject, and is one of the reasons for which articles are deleted.–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:20, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I had to revert your edit. The material added re: DNA is actually not supported in the cited reference (from 1982, no less). The majority of DNA evidence supports a local, rather than a Subsaharan origin for Egyptians.

Cheers, Λuα ^{(Operibus anteire)} 02:12, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, Aua, I didn't have access to the source and AGF'd.–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:15, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Reading Creek

Carole, thank you for your help. I quite new at this, have only made a few articles. I've been adding articles for all rivers/streams in Bucks County, PA, my sources have been Place Name in Bucks County, 1955 by MacReynolds, GNIS from the USGS, and the PA Gazateer of Streams by PA DEP. This is such a small stream there wasn't much information other than Google. The gazateer did have some info, it was in there, I might add it back in. In the other articles, I got the info from them as primary source and would throw in some Google Maps stuff as an addition. I appreciate help from you experienced folks. One question, though. Since Reading Creek is a tributary of Arrowhead Spring Creek, which is a tributary of the West Branch Neshaminy, which is a tributary of the Neshaminy, and it's a tributary of the Delaware (ad nauseum), would the article not be correct as "Reading Creek (Arrowhead Spring Creek)", as opposed to "Reading Creek (West Branch Neshaminy Creek)"? When browsing the categories such as Rivers of Bucks County and of PA, I note that some are named by political regions, but, most are named by the distributary stream. I like the distributary stream better. Anyway, I'll have to check out your sources, might be able to use them in the future. Thanks, again. Also, on my user page, the "todo list" would be better on the user page rather than the talk page? I'll work on moving the list. Thanks,Are1718 (talk) 02:34, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi Are1718, thanks for catching the difference between primary and secondary sources, and that secondary sources are preferred.

In general, your sources make sense. It would be better if there was something newer than 1955, but as long as you know any reliable source that is newer would take precedence if there's a difference, that's fine.

I couldn't find anything that said that Reading Creek was a tributary of Arrowhead Spring Creek. Did you, by chance, read the source that said that Reading Creek is a tributary of West Branch Neshaminy Creek? It seems to me that I found it in other sources and can look for those if you'd like. That is why I changed the article name.

There's no right or wrong on categories by political area vs. distributary stream - whatever is applicable should be used. But if you say that it's a river in a county of Pennsylvania, the category for rivers in Pennsylvania isn't needed.

I did have a question, though, about it being listed as a tributary of the Delaware -- as I saw that the Reading Creek is part of the Cross(hitch??)-Neshaminy watershed... so it's a bit removed. But, I don't know if I'm right or not about categorization in that case. As an aside to that point, categories should generally not be applied unless there is cited content within the article that states the connection. Perhaps we can ask a question at the Delaware River article about this -- not as many people read Category talk. We also should probably summarize some of this on the article talk page. I'll take care of it.

Yes, it would be better to put your "to do" list on the user page. Thanks so much!–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:31, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

So, I was wondering about Reading Creek being a tributary of Arrowhead or West Branch. I got from Google that Arrowhead is the west branch as well as the main branch, so, I browsed every link in the GeoHack, some didn't address it at all, some named the two branches and not the main, some labeled the main Arrowhead, some Reading. So, it's located about 15 minutes from my work so I drove there. The main branch is Reading. I figure the locals and the highway department know better than the cartographers. I know, that's original research, so I won't use it directly, but it helped to determine who's right. Referring to my article format, I used the article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Rivers as a basis as well as articles of rivers by others as examples. That's why I have lists, etc. Also, in the case of using maps as sources I refer to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Using_maps_and_similar_sources_in_Wikipedia_articles. I don't read anything into the map that's not already there such as using google distance calculator to calculate the river's length, I guess that would be original research, but, using the obvious data that's there. Sort of like if I read in a book or an article 'Reading Creek is here, and here, and in this township, etc.", seems to me like the map is sorta a graphical representation of the creek is 'here, and there, and in this place'. But, now I realize that I need to refer to many maps to verify what I may not be able to otherwise, many are incorrect. I'm glad you found the 'Water Sources' site as my searches had not found it. Thanks for that. On the subject of categories, I'll concede the landforms category, others had put streams there so I followed suit, I guess rivers and streams are 'waterforms' whereas landforms are mountains, valleys, and so forth. As far as River of Pennsylvania, I just now thought about it. the category 'Rivers of Pennsylvania' has many links way before my time, so, that's why I had included it, 'write by example, as it were. I'm not sure if I should leave that alone or not. My articles include a link to the main article 'Lists of Rivers of Pennsylvania', so adding the category I guess would be redundant. There's even a category 'Rivers of the U.S. But anyway, the MacReynolds book I referred to earlier has many mountains, rivers (creeks), and place names in it that have no articles. I would like to put up articles about them in an historical perspective as many don't have now, and including current condition as compared to historical. It was easier to do one type at a time, rivers, mountains, etc. Not trying to be argumentative, just asking. Thanks. I note that you included citation tags in the West Bank Neshaminy article. I deleted them and included two for each line item. Is this correct or would a single tag for the section be more appropriate, not sure how to do that? I have had suggestions by a number of more experienced users and I thank you all for that. Oops! Forgot my name tag.Are1718 (talk) 03:39, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi Are1718,

I answered the questions regarding Reading Creek at Talk:Reading Creek (West Branch Neshaminy Creek).

Regarding using one google maps citation for all the municipalities for West Branch Neshaminy Creek (Neshaminy Creek), I removed those citations. 1) You have a published source, which is much better. 2) If you're going to use google maps, you should really use a citation for each municipality and a point at which the creek flows through that area.

I added something to Talk:Arrowhead Spring Creek (Reading Creek) about the name change. I don't see a published source for this move - nor had I seen anything that said that Arrowhead was a tributary of Reading Creek.–CaroleHenson (talk) 04:54, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you Carole, for all your help and patience, I'll keep working on it. Are1718 (talk) 11:14, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! Holocaust article

I have to go to sleep, but I want to thank you again for your patience and help! You are really wonderful!

Carole, I can definitely state that the article is not neutral, as per my experience with people who have manipulated quotations to promote a certain perspective on history of the Holocaust.

I did write a review of an anti-Israel textbook in the school of my children, and the school had to remove the book - it was not easy!

But not now I am older, and cannot learn the technology of Wiki.

Thanks again and be well!Henia Perlman (talk) 05:35, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

It's my pleasure to add tips on your user talk page. Regarding getting around Wikipedia, Irondome is your mentor and can help you navigate content changes to Wikipedia, unless you've decided not to add content anymore, per the discussion on his page.

I will respond re: The Holocaust on that talk page.–CaroleHenson (talk) 15:55, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Henia is taking a break, not reading message, but not ignoring you

Hi Simon, Ealdgyth, Carol, and other editors,

I am taking a break from wiki, and therefore not reading more messages. I am writing draft of responses to the Holocaust after 1939 (Evian, Kindertransport…), before the war, and after the war (Varian Fry …). I am not ignoring you, but Wiki says that it’s good to take a break.

Simon, I thank you from all my heart for your patient mentorship. I decided to end it yesterday, because you, Carol, Ealdgyth, and others who voluntarily have been formatting my sources, or commented on the pertinence of my editing have helped a lot, but I feel that, because of my old brain, technology will remain a challenge. I also know from my personal experience that I learn better by doing and improving with guidance and discussion from many different editors.

I thank you in advance for your patience, ollaboration, and letting me edit, without “biting” me. Wiki states that newcomers who are experts on the subject are a positive addition in editing.

In good faith, I started to edit in a thoughtful way, using source, and attentively reading your guidelines that I printed, and wiki material. I explained the editing in the summary and the Talk of the article.

I didn’t delete “North Africa” “as a matter of principle,” but after I had checked Longerich, where it does not appear. I also found out that Kershaw wrote almost the same sentence, like the one in the article, with the incorrect inclusion of “North Africa” in the 11 millions, in p. 35 of Niewyk’s book, The Holocaust. I remembered that, because I thought that Kershaw maybe confused. I also copied from Yad Vashem and didn’t put quotations marks. I noticed that sometimes, not in the case of the long paragraphs of Yad Vashem, after 20 yrs of Holocaust study, I know sentences of scholars, by heart!

I read in Wiki: After one changes a page, others who read it can choose whether or not to further edit. When editors do not reach agreement by editing, discussion on the associated talk pages continues the process toward consensus.

I welcome your understanding of my shortcomings, your good faith collaboration, and your objections. I will listen to all of them attentively, “try to understand why, respond politely and assume good faith.”

I sincerely apologize for saying that the article is not neutral and acknowledge the hard work of other editors; I should have explained that it was what my 1000s and members of the public, who came to my Holocaust lectures, told me. That’s why, upon my retirement, I decided to be involved and collaborate in improving it.

I will “take the time and effort to explain why I think my suggestion(s) might be preferable, and “resolve disputes calmly, through civil discussion and consensus-building on relevant discussion pages. Please remember that we are all here for more or less the same reason . … Wikipedia is not about winning

1. “If someone disagrees with {me}, I will make sure {I} try to understand why! Listen to the others, and take the time and effort to explain why {I} think {my} suggestion(s) might be preferable.

2. assume good faith for as long as possible.

3. Take it slow (that’s why I didn’t answer immediately to your messages, and went zumba or did other things, as suggested by Wiki). There is no time limit for a discussion.

4. It is easy to misjudge other editors' moods and intentions, especially when disagreements or discussions are heated. {I will} Make {my} proposals and responses clear; listen carefully to opposing arguments and/or criticism, and be prepared to prove that {I am} listening actively - concentrate, understand, respond and then remember what is being said. … Because everyone has different memories, the speaker and the listener may attach different meanings to the same statement.

Ambushing occurs when one listens to someone else's argument for its weaknesses and ignore its strengths. if one finds that the other party understands, an atmosphere of cooperation can be created. Listeners need only restate, in their own language, their impression of the expression of the sender. ... Still, learning to do Active Listening well is a rather difficult task (I have told you that I am slow and thank you for your patience)

5. Assume the best about people whenever possible – this includes assuming that others are doing likewise.

6. I sincerely apologize, in good faith. 7. 8. I will take a break, and read your messages later – I am not ignoring you. Go get some fresh air, and go more to the gym.

Remember that Wikipedia is a hobby … Keep a good community spirit up and make good edits as a community.

I am not always right, and I know that I don’t know.

… Wikipedia is not about winning ” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution

Thank you and have a good night! Henia Perlman (talk) 03:19, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Have a lovely break and when you come back, I hope that you work with a mentor so that the combination of your expertise and Wikipedia guidelines will result in meaningful and helpful additions. Sometimes a break followed by a period of reflection can help put the pieces together of what has been said.–CaroleHenson (talk) 15:27, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Margaret Dorothea Rowbotham

Dear Carole Thanks for your message. I am a new Wiki editor and I am in the midst of creating this page on Rowbotham. There is a lot more to be added, including references. Would you please be kind enough to let me get on with it! Thank you Henrietta999 (talk) 08:31, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

As I mentioned on my post to you, I'll reply on your talk page.–CaroleHenson (talk) 08:39, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Hate to bug you, but ...

I'm on a tablet on the road and keep having issues wit my talk page posts getting overwritten. No way I can easily fix them and explain to Henia how to avoid it....could I beg your help again? Ealdgyth - Talk 00:57, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi Ealdgyth. I will be agin suggesting that Henia uses my talkpage as a central conduit, this stopping multiplte and unitentially disruptive postings. The mentorship issue is still relevant in my opinion. From my reading Henia wants a loose collaborative network. But this just causes multiple duplicate postings. I will again later today recommend that Henia uses my T/P as her postbox. I will then disseminate relevant info to colleagues who aare mentioned and or involved, as a single point of contact/clearing house for Henias input. I have pinged Diannaaa on a potential copyright issue so this is the kind of model I think would be the least disruptive, and logical. I hope all is goung well with your families new arrival :) Regards, Simon. Irondome (talk) 03:27, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

That sounds like a really good idea, Irondome. There have been several edits that I'm not sure about so I just was waiting to see if anyone had any issues.

I totally agree about the need for a mentor for edits made to WP. Thanks, Ealdgyth, I have been wondering about news about the baby, too.... so a message would be nice about that about the happy news.–CaroleHenson (talk) 04:23, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

I put up a small announcement on my talk page, but it was a girl, born Friday night, all is well. She certainly has a healthy set of lungs, at least! Ealdgyth - Talk 11:08, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

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Please, talk to me in the Talk page of the article

I have not felt comfortable with your tone.

I welcome your comments and objections to my good faith contributions in the Talk page of the article.

Thank you.Henia Perlman (talk) 13:15, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

I don't know what to say, Henia Perlman. I don't like that you ignore advice and input. I don't find that to be a part of an intention to offer "good faith contributions". And, you seem to have a double-standard. It's ok to insult others, but you don't like "tone" that you're uncomfortable with.

I am happy to talk to you on talk pages of articles for content that is related to those articles. Content that is personal in nature, should not be on article talk pages. I have been trying to help you get away from the issues that have caused the warnings. Based upon your comments, I am getting that you are not really responsive to help, unless it's exactly the way that you want it.... which I believe is to let you go ahead and make whatever kind of edits you want and have others clean it up. Sorry, but that's the way I see it.–CaroleHenson (talk) 15:32, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

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Henia is sincerely asking for forgiveness

I am asking, please, to cancel your “block”.

I have taught for about 50 years, and I have never had people complaining – from my students or others. Comments about me: compassionate, understanding, and wants her students to succeed.

Still, I am guilty, and I sincerely apologize.

I am sorry, but I didn’t mean to insult you.

I promise you, that I will ask your help with formatting, and other things.

I am truly sorry, and I welcome your help.

I mean everything I wrote, from the bottom of my heart.

Be well.Henia Perlman (talk) 00:12, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

My decision about 2 options

Because I am slow in making decision, I would like to discuss it with you first, the proposal of Rivertorch:

I agree not to edit the article The Holocaust directly for a predetermined interval (at least the remainder of this month), instead proposing all of my changes to Carole, who was kind to offer her help.

(Carole, I don't mind to always checking with you first, (or Ealdgyth: he didn't offer help, and I don't want to bother him), modifications in Holocaust article - sometimes, I am too impulsive!). 

I did put back my request not to block.

Thank you Carole! It's really very hot here! And we have no A/C! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Henia Perlman (talk • contribs) 01:19, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Henia Perlman, I am happy to help you. I can help format the information that you'd like to add and ensure that it is properly cited and meets guidelines. I recommend that once it's ready for the article, that we run it by the talk page. That is because, as Mathglot and others have said, it is a contentious article and we should ensure that the community is ok with the additions. (Not questioning you as a knowledgeable person about the Holocaust, but to ascertain the appropriateness for the overview article).

So, that would be a two-step process: 1) You and I working through the wording you'd like to add -- getting it wikipedia ready and 2) then post it on the talk page to ensure that it's good to add. How does that work?–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:54, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Carole for your help!

I would stick with: "You and I working through the wording" I'd like to add -- getting it wikipedia ready, and posting it as a contribution in the right format.

In the Talk page of the article, I will explain that I just posted a contribution, explain the reason, and I welcome comments/discussion/objections.

It will be like Ealdgyth posting contributions (since you will be formating); and people who don't agree, can contact her. "Math" also didn't like the discussion in Talk of article

I think we can be both good collaborators for a contribution, ready to be made in the article, like everybody does.

Let's try the one step process and see!

Thanks again so much for helping me out! Henia Perlman (talk) 02:17, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Henia Perlman, Since there has been major work on the article to condense it - it is an overview article after all, and is still quite large, I recommend running it by the talk page first. For instance, it may be that the information is more appropriate in a sub-article.

As an FYI, articles are generally kept at 100,000 bytes or less. This one got up to 300,000 and was condensed by Ealdgyth down to 194,000 bytes, which is still quite long.

The proposals as alternatives to blocking were either to leave the article alone for awhile, or run additions by the talk page. So, I think we should do either one of those two.–CaroleHenson (talk) 02:32, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Henia Perlman If Carole is willing to help you by working through the talk page, I think that's a very generous offer. I would probably be more conservative than that, but the important thing is to come to some agreement which is satisfactory, and which avoids the block, which you are, or were, very close to receiving.

In order for any agreement to work smoothly, I think at a very minimum you should have a basic command of talk page procedures and etiquette. I see that you are signing your posts now with four tildes (~~~~) so that's great! Keep it up; sometimes even seasoned editors forget that, so that's really good; you've got step one down pat.

One important thing on talk pages (also article pages) is being able to follow Wikilinks. Are you familiar with hyperlinks or Wikilinks? Whenever you see some words in blue (sometimes purple) text, that means you can click it to go to another page. Depending on how your browser and Wikipedia preferences are set up, you might be able to just hover the mouse over the link, to see a brief summary of the page at the link. This paragraph has three wikilinks, did you spot them?

Another thing you should have some familiarity with, are talk page procedures concerning conversation threading and indentation. Please have a look at Help:Using talk pages, especially the section Replying to an existing thread, and understand how to use colons (' : ') to indent your replies properly. This is really a prerequisite for most other things you would like to do here.

Meanwhile, some of the things Carole is talking about concerning article length are fairly advanced topics, and I also worry about your passion for the topic of The Holocaust getting you frustrated here. Part of the problem with the article "The Holocaust" is that there are too many editors and they all have opinions, and it's easy to get into disputes. This is a very, very tough area for a brand new editor to start at Wikipedia. Are you open to looking at some related topics that are shorter, easier to deal with, and not as fraught with issues as this one is? There are so many articles needing attention, I could point you to some of them that are really crying out for knowledgeable and committed editors like you. Mathglot (talk) 04:51, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

I am trying to learn as fast as I can. That's why, I changed my proposal:

Henia's proposal after reading your suggestion, Rivertorch's suggestion, and last message of Carole==

Mathglot, here the new suggestion, after I read last message of Carole, about article being too long (I agree)

For the time being, I will only make modifications, together with CaroleI (not adding) and see:

Carole and Henia will work through the wording (template, style) Henia would like to modify

-- getting it wikipedia ready, and posting it as a modification in the right format.

In the Talk page of the article, I will explain that I just posted a modification, explain the reason, and welcome comments/discussion/objections.

It will be like Ealdgyth posting modification (since Carole will be formating); if people who don't agree to the modification, we can discuss the modification in Talk of the article.

I think that Carole and Henia could be be both good collaborators for a modification, ready to be made in the article.

Let's try the one step process of modification of what is already in the article and see!

Thanks again so much for helping me out! Henia Perlman (talk) 05:04, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Henia, I am sorry, but I don't feel comfortable just posting the content after it's gone through a major rewrite by an experienced Wikipedia editor. I would hate to get into an area of content being reverted.

Mathglot has a really great way of breaking things down and I really think you should consider his/her offer. This is about learning to use Wikipedia. Once you get the hang of how things are done, and are able to make edits without having them reverted, you will be able to be more independent. Until then, I think his/her idea is a very, very good one.–CaroleHenson (talk) 05:14, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Carole, I am not talking about reverting content, but about modifying it, by adding for example a citation that Ealdgyth couldn't find, or something which is pertinent to historical relevancy, that you mentioned. That's it. I am really tired, being still sick. I will try to give you an example tomorrow. Good night. Henia Perlman (talk) 05:20, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

I thought that the main issue was to put citation in the right template, and that Carole will help me with that. Henia Perlman (talk) 05:33, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi. I'm sorry to hear you're not feeling well. If editing Wikipedia is causing you any stress or anxiety, I hope you'll consider taking a break and returning when you feel better. Your health is way more important than any Wikipedia article. In any event, whether you'd prefer to deal with it now or later, this is what the situation is:

In an attempt to keep you from getting blocked, I made a proposal at WP:ANI that you stop editing the article for a while and make suggestions on the talk page instead. This would be similar to the method often used at protected articles, where newer editors make "edit requests" rather than editing articles themselves. This approach would still allow you to contribute to the article, but not directly. Mathglot made a different proposal—that you avoid that article and its talk page entirely for a while, and go brush up on your Wikipedia editing skills at other, related articles.

Those are the two proposals on the table. You appear to be making a counter-proposal involving your continuing to edit the article and explaining each edit on the talk page. I don't believe that such an approach would be agreed to by the community, and I very much doubt that any further counter-proposals will be welcomed. I suggest that you pick one of the two proposals I just summarized above. If neither is acceptable to you, then your only remaining options are either continuing down the same road you've been traveling and finding yourself blocked or voluntarily ceasing all editing activity on Wikipedia. I think that either of those outcomes would be unfortunate, but the community is only going to spend so much time and effort on this. Whatever you decide, I wish you all the best. Rivertorch^FIRE_WATER 05:56, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Moving my section

Thank you Carole for moving my request!

I am learning everyday, and by doing!

I m still sick. I cancelled my flight, because I have norovirus (throwing up), and I didn't want my little grandchildren to get it.

The airline was very understanding, and didn't charge me for the new ticket.

Again conflict of posting with Ealdgyth; I hope I didn't cut her posting that I read Bye!Henia Perlman (talk) 01:31, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

You did. (ec) Not upset with you Henia - but I'm actually female. I'm very very busy in life outside wiki so I don't have a lot of time to answer questions or help. Carole or the others, if they are okay with this, are probably more patient and have more time to help you. Ealdgyth - Talk 01:24, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Oh, thanks. I got an edit conflict and then noticed your post was gone... so I have several windows open trying to square things away. Thanks for fixing that.–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:48, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Oh, just seeing you were sick, Henia... Sorry to hear that! Hope you are able to stay to cool. Cool cloths on your neck or douse yourself in the shower from time to time? Sorry, the mother in me kicks in some times. I am going to reply to the 2 options next above.–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:53, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

So much easier to fix a lost post when I can use the desktop instead of the tablet....Ealdgyth - Talk 01:54, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Happy you could!Henia Perlman (talk) 02:19, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Help with AIG and edit requests

Hi Carole, hope you're well. I was wondering if you could help me out with a couple of questions. I submitted an edit request 3 months ago, but didn't anticipate that the queue would be so backlogged. Is there a way I can rescind the request so I can seek help more immediately? I have another extant request for another section, but by main concern here is that the information in the overview of the article is outdated, and of greater significance. Any ideas how I could move forward, or am I stuck waiting out the request?--FacultiesIntact (talk) 19:47, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

FacultiesIntact,

I changed the subsidiaries. The information in the infobox and the intro will take awhile longer to check.

It is seeming that much of the information is based upon the 2016 SEC form 10-K both in the existing article and in the draft, but the numbers are changing. I'm a bit confused.–CaroleHenson (talk) 20:08, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

I started comments at User talk:FacultiesIntact/sandbox/American International Group and pinged you there. That seems the most appropriate place to add comments.–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:07, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Gorsley

Hi Carole. I see you added a Template:Citation needed tag. Do you think there is a problem with those mileages to neighbouring towns in the first para? In my experience with these minor settlement articles, such distances are always rather approximate and are very rarely sourced. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:39, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi Martinevans123, It's my practice to add citations to content. It seems strange that the distances are approximate. I assumed that they came from a published source somewhere. It's not the best, but I'll run some Google map queries and add sources that way, since there doesn't appear to be a source.–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:11, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

That's very industrious. You'll find very many geo articles are lacking in this respect. Good luck. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:15, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

My pleasure. Not the ones that I review.–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:24, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

e.g Newent? Many more e.g. Ledbury don't have any distances. At least Aston Ingham gets a good source, even if it is from 1868! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:33, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Ok, I'll take a look at those, Martinevans123.–CaroleHenson (talk) 00:49, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Carole, I see that Aston Ingham has now been totally transformed. Great work. Well done. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:42, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Martinevans123, I still have some Roman history info to add.–CaroleHenson (talk) 14:08, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

I look forward to seeing your future improvements, Carole and will try and collaborate where I can. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:47, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

If you don't mind reading Aston Ingham and correcting any American English issues, that would be nice, Martinevans123.–CaroleHenson (talk) 18:19, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

I've made a few minor stylistic tweaks, thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:50, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Martinevans123, Excellent, thanks! Much better.–CaroleHenson (talk) 20:17, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Martinevans123, I started on the Newent article, which I find to be very interesting... and have quite a bit more to do. I have found a lot of 19th century and early 20th century sources for the history and am looking for more recent sources that are also reliable, independent sources. My goal is to fill out the page and add citations to uncited content as I go. I am picking away at this a bit more slowly, mostly because there is much more information / sources to digest.–CaroleHenson (talk) 15:29, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Ok, Carol, thanks for telling me. I'll wait for you to complete. There's no rush, I'm sure. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:42, 24 June 2017 (UTC) p.s. my Auntie Nellie used to live on Culver Street (true story).

Martinevans123, That song was a blast from the past (Neil Sedaka and in the video is a very young Dick Clark at the end). That your Aunt Nellie lived on Culver Street is interesting. Sounds good.–CaroleHenson (talk) 16:19, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Yes, she was a long-standing member of Newent URC, which I now see needs adding to the article! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:26, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Martinevans123, Yep, a churches / religion section will be good. Since you're familiar with the area: I have been confused by the Herefordshire and Gloucestershire Canal - does it still go through Newent? I see that the canal had gone through the area... but there was a trust established to restore part of the canal, so I am not sure.–CaroleHenson (talk) 16:32, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Well, Oxenhall is quite close: [1]. But it seems the 1881 railway killed it off in Newent. But here is a map. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:39, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Martinevans123, Oh, thanks, that's helpful!–CaroleHenson (talk) 16:42, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Henia is accepting Rivertorch's proposal

Good morning Carole,

How do I advise my acceptance decision to everybody?

I tried to post my acceptance at administrator board, but it was closed.

It seems that there was a consensus with Rivertorch’s thoughtful proposal:

Henia agrees not to edit the article directly for a predetermined interval (at least the remainder of this month), instead proposing all of her changes on the talk page. If after the end of the month, more time is needed, I agree to review the situation.

I welcome your help Carole, if you still have patience with me (I reread my posting from the start, and I couldn't believe how slow I am!), and from others, if you wish not to help me anymore, from other editors with citations format, content relevancy, and conformity with wiki rules.

Thank you for your time, and patience, and Rivertorch for your kind intervention.

Have a great day! Henia Perlman (talk) 14:20, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Ok. A message on your talk page should do the trick. I will go ahead and post a message there and ping in others that you posted messages to so that all the messages don't need to be updated. Does that work?–CaroleHenson (talk) 14:55, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Gort my page speedy deletion

Hi mam ,

{{Am getting the speedy deletion , kindly make my page active. it was a my mistake was working on lot of edits kindly get me my backup , of page mam. its my request}} . --praneeth rao 15:51, 24 June 2017 (UTC)pranerao [[2]]

thanks praneeth rao — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pranerao (talk • contribs) 15:51, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Pranerao, I am sorry, but I don't disagree with the reason for the speedy deletion. There's hardly any reliable sources to prove notability as I mentioned somewhere - your talk page or the article talk page - or maybe both.

If you disagree with the tagging of the article, though, you can contest the deletion on the article talk page: Talk:Mandyada Sri Shiradi Sai Baba Temple.–CaroleHenson (talk) 16:24, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thank you Carole! I really must go now.Henia Perlman (talk) 16:02, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Sounds good, let me know when you're ready. This can be a nice, clean start. I love new beginnings, so fresh with possibility!–CaroleHenson (talk) 16:25, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Mandyada Sri Shiradi Sai Baba Temple

Message 1

Hi mam,

{{The temple is between B.Gowdagere and gejjalagere , but first preference B.Gowdagere comes over , because of this changes it has been in deletion. mam am looking from ur side to update B.Gowdagere and remove gejjalagere. on the formula part and temple status part}}. and make our page active Template:Its temple organization page sopranerao--praneeth rao 17:50, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

 [[3]]

thanks , Praneeth Rao.

I am sorry, Pranerao, but I am having a very hard time understanding what you're trying to say. I think you're mentioning that the name of the village should be B.Gowdagere. After that, I am not sure what your point is. It is likely that this is a moot point, though, unless you can give a compelling reason why the article should remain... after many failed attempts to create such an article.

Also, please see the comments that I left you regarding responding to talk pages at Talk:Mandyada Sri Shiradi Sai Baba Temple. It's been very hard to follow your comments. –CaroleHenson (talk) 19:14, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Message 2

Getting rid of deletion page

Hi mam,

{{The temple is between B.Gowdagere and gejjalagere , but first preference B.Gowdagere comes over , because of this changes it has been in deletion. mam am looking from ur side to update B.Gowdagere and remove gejjalagere. on the formula part and temple status part}}. and make our page active Template:Its temple organization page so{db-hoax}}pranerao--praneeth rao 17:53, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

 [[4]]

thanks , Praneeth Rao.

Pranerao, I am not sure why you posted what appears to be a duplicate message... except for the mention of {{db-hoax}}, which is not relevant here.

As a side comment, it is not my role to clean-up after your editing issues. I reverted the edit you made - that also included other edits - because it is very inappropriate for you to remove the tags for speedy deletion of an article that you created. I had already commented... and it was mentioned on your user talk page, too... that the process is to contest the deletion on the talk page by adding a message there.

Please feel free to make the edit to the village, if you think that is more appropriate. From the sources and map, it looked like gejjalagere was more appropriate.–CaroleHenson (talk) 19:21, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Message 3

page deleting error after updating details. forwading again msg

Hi Mam, {{Morning i had given a request to change the village name to B gowdagere from Gejjalagere because this temple is located in between but in one way it lands too B gowdagere , and now 2 hrs back i had notice like , i got a page deletion. with this our temple trust is screwing me of how did u get in to this sequence}}. as we got this as only one plus to get in and as we shared our files through social network and etc . and printed in Visiting card If not work on the same name village ,and make me to get rid of deletion , and if u do need our temple docs and any proof i would do so just get me back.. it would be great rather am getting into this problem and situation and sequence And thanks for previous msg and and mentioning about db-hoax}}praneraopraneeth rao 20:23, 24 June 2017 (UTC) Thanks Praneeth rao

1. I am confused, you changed it to Gejjalagere in this edit.

2. I cannot do anything about the speedy deletion notice, but since I have explained several times how to contest the deletion, I posted a message for you on the article talk page with this edit.

3. You may have other documents, but what are needed are reliable published sources, like books, newspapers, and magazines, for instance. I have already mentioned this several times.

4. I am not sure what the rest of the points are.

Please don't message me again. Add a message to the article talk page, please. That is where the messages should be posted.–CaroleHenson (talk) 20:59, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 26, 2017)

A deadpan emoji. Hello, CaroleHenson. The following is WikiProject Today's articles for improvement's weekly selection: Deadpan Please be bold and help to improve this article! Previous selections: Alice Bah Kuhnke • Footage Get involved with the TAFI project. You can: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:05, 26 June 2017 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of WikiProject TAFI •

Not to worry

Our friend appears to be flailing about, seeking new helpers based upon their last responses, or something I do not quite understand. It may well be that our colleague is actually very impatient and requires immediate and favourable responses, based on subjective impressions of her helpers' usefulness to their current POV, perception of how WP operates or way our friend maybe wishes to shape the article. I have rarely if ever seen such collective goodwill shown to a new colleague on WP. I do think that our friend should now make their own way on WP. The useful bank of information that you, I and many others have provided should now be enough. The sheer volume of constructive advice given has been enormous. I would advise that we gently disengage-while still providing basic support on a case by case basis-and allow events to take their course. I truly hope that they take a positive course. Now it is up to our friend. Irondome (talk) 01:43, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Good point. Good plan. Thanks, Irondome.–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:51, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you Carole for your kind persistence. I have been learning by reading pages in wiki, and reading how Ealdgyth has been editing. I would like now to make my own choices, and show my understanding. Thank you.Rachelle Perlman (talk) 14:30, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Ok, good luck!–CaroleHenson (talk) 14:46, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Verifying the article

Hi mam ,

{am looking to verify my page. article, kindly do go on . the temple goes through religious organisation and its second holiest place in India "Mandyada Sri Shiradi Sai Baba Mandir"}}, Mandyada Shri Shiradi Sai Baba Mandir {because as u know very well about this article so, i am willing to take from you.verification}praneraopraneeth rao 17:53, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

kindly do the need full Thanks, praneeth rao. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pranerao (talk • contribs) 17:53, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

I am sorry, but administrators found that the best previous version should be deleted and protected the page so that it wasn't recreated. So attempting to create another article with a slightly different title won't work. I applied a CSD tag on the article.–CaroleHenson (talk) 19:01, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Request and finalizing.

Hi Carole ,

{from past 1 week we are looking to come up with this temple article , but on the (talk page ), without our knowledge most of the articles gets deleted , dont know whats the issue , just contacted talk page too, they just delete it , with this my official name of my temple too i lost aricle name on wiki and}

{and with this you had given me a *notice as nothing on this name or article must be posted not this user or any user must not create this article whats the big deal. as u got my backup of my email, and every files like google, trip advisor history etc, just check whats this temple whats the things i had updated in WIkI etc. just look down. all}

{what i updated as temple article i could not get back as article. its not 1 or 2 its 4 article. requested just get me back , the same article name nope no response , On talk page people someone goes with deletion. i would ask them whats issue nope , nothing they response on article name : Mandyada Sri Shiradi Sai Baba Mandir , Mandyada Sri Shiradi Sai Baba Temple , Mandyada Shri Shiradi Sai Baba Mandir , Mandyada Sri Shiradi Sai Baba} ,

{and we requested just get us at least this two articles which u had deleted nor names ill make articles again , when i reload nothing and no response on talk page.

Mandyada Sri Shiradi Sai Baba Mandir ,  Mandyada Sri Shiradi Sai Baba Temple} 

{on this user , and if u do require us to submit temple doc's , kindly let us }.

{nor let us know , dont use our services , any more. it would be great . because what ever articles till now i had updated on this name has been deleted , and i would tell you other thing this temple, landing in 2nd in India after shiridi in India , in temple dashina kannada karnataka mandya. sai baba temple}

{On wiki just to let u know on which user. my user name : pranerao : full name praneeth rao} praneeth rao 19:23, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

thanks praneeth rao