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Former good articleLebanon was one of the Geography and places good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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President

Lebanon has officially elected Michel Aoun as President on October 31st, 2016, ending more than 2 years of political stalemate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.214.241.227 (talk) 16:52, 31 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

New 7 Wonders

Lebanon has entered the N7W competition for Jeita Grotto and few months ago the Lebanese Cedars were also competing. Can u plz mention them in the article and talk more about Jeita Grotto? Thank you very much — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.187.113.202 (talk) 09:40, 29 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: Reaper Eternal (talk · contribs) 13:15, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I looked at the article, and, to be frank, it looks pretty bad. Please source everything, and then I will re-look at the article. Cheers! Reaper Eternal (talk) 13:15, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I just noticed that you haven't even edited the article! What was the purpose of this nomination? Reaper Eternal (talk) 13:22, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'll start sourcing everything. And about your second question, I didn't see any rule that said I needed to have edited the article before. Ramaksoud2000 (talk) 22:08, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You might want to put it on hold. Ramaksoud2000 (talk) 02:37, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Why did you nominate this now? This is practically quick-fail material. Do the work beforehand and get it up to a reasonable state, then nominate it. To point out a few things to work on: manual of style, prose, grammar (just a quick note: "Christian holidays are celebrated following both the Gregorian Calender and Julian Calender" *Calendar), references (as stated by Reaper above) but the main problem here is completion! Good articles boast some of the best material on Wikipedia, and since Lebanon is one of the most important topics available, we need it to be complete in all aspects, some sections here are only a sentence long. This needs a lot of work. Oh and sorry to butt in on your review, Reaper Eternal. Aranea Mortem (talk to me) 05:27, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Additionally, this should be listed under "Places" not "Geography". Geography mainly entails general landforms. Aranea Mortem (talk to me) 05:30, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. Fail it. I'll renominate it when everything is done. Ramaksoud2000 (talk) 15:37, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Quick to-do list

I noticed this article is being nominated for GA status. However, there are a number of items standing in the way before GA could be achieved. This is just a list I whipped up after a quick look at the article. Although the following are just basic suggestions without much detail, I think it could help to improve this article tremendously. Also, just as a point of reference, editors of this article ought to take a look at other country articles that are GAs: United States, Azerbaijan and Switzerland among others.

  • The "Geology and archaeology" section should be merged with the Geography section.
  • The History section needs to be much better organized and even revamped.
    • There's way too much emphasis on the conflicts of Lebanon's independence and post-independence era especially the events of the past decade: The French Mandate and independence, The 1948 War, the Civil Wars (1958, 1970s-1990), and the 20th-century Israeli invasion/occupation, and everything that happened before Israel's withdrawal in 2000 could fit into several paragraphs under the title "Independence and civil wars." The Cedar revolution, UN investigation, the Nahr al-Bared conflict, the 2008 civil strife, and the government collapse and re-formation could all fit into a several paragraphs in another section called "Contemporary era" if we just include the brief and most important aspects of each event. We could relegate the removed text to History of Lebanon.
    • There's very little information, if any, about Lebanon's history under the Phoenicians, Romans/Byzantines, various Arab Caliphates, Crusaders, Mamluks, and the Ottomans.
    • I didn't see any mention of the Ottoman era Druze-Maronite alliance that many say provided the roots of Lebanon's modern statehood.

Comment: I didn't see any mention of it in any other Lebanese articles. Maybe just once in one. I also didn't find it lots of sources. I don't know if its that important. Ramaksoud2000 (talk) 00:25, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It might have been a rivalry/war (as FunkMonk has noted below) and not an alliance, but it's certainly worth mention. I'll post some sources about it on this page a little later. --Al Ameer son (talk) 04:12, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • The "Foreign relations" section should be expanded especially since Lebanese politics is heavily influenced by foreign countries.
  • The "Military" section should also be expanded a bit if possible and perhaps a few sentences about Hezbollah's superior strength to the Lebanese Army should be mentioned if it's not already covered somewhere in the History section.
Comment: I don't know if they are "superior" to the Lebansese Army. They certainely are strong but not superior. Ramaksoud2000 (talk) 02:58, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Expanded section. Ramaksoud2000 (talk) 05:05, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Of course, the Lebanese Army is the only officially legitimate fighting force in the country, but I think it's notable to point out that Hezbollah is stronger. Again, this could be mentioned in the History section instead. I'm not sure which section is more appropriate. --Al Ameer son (talk) 04:49, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I'm saying that I don't think they are stronger. They are certainly notable but not stronger. The Lebanese Army has four times as many men and UNIFL and the U.S. on their side. Hezbollah has war-torn Syria and Iran on their side. Ramaksoud2000 (talk to me) 00:50, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I was talking more about military capabilities and not alliance networks. But in any case, Hezbollah's strength should be mentioned somewhere. Whether they're stronger, more advanced, or more equipped will be information provided to us by reliable sources. --Al Ameer son (talk) 22:01, 13 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • The "Population projection" section should be better organized and perhaps just renamed to "Population." The points should be converted into a chart/table.
Comment: I left it at Population projection because that's what it is. The current population is in the above paragraph. Ramaksoud2000 (talk) 04:36, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I just took a quick look and guess I missed that. However, I fail to see the point of having a table about the projected population every decade until 2100. If anything, the table should be replaced with the past and current populations if possible (I know there hasn't been an official census for a while). Also, on another note, it might be a good idea to have a chart of the current populations of the 5 or 10 largest Lebanese localities. --Al Ameer son (talk) 04:49, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Culture and Media sections should be merged, rewritten, and fully referenced.
  • Tourism subsection needs to be referenced.

--Al Ameer son (talk) 21:14, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm striking through the things that are done. Ramaksoud2000 (talk) 01:57, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for getting at this promptly. You should notify WikiProject Lebanon that you're working towards GA. Hopefully, you could get some helping hands ;) Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 04:49, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The history section is pretty lacking, no mention of the 1860s war, the 1958 American intervention and so on. The Ottoman period was even described with "medieval" as the header! FunkMonk (talk) 08:42, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hi all, I will tend to the geography / geology section, I disagree that the geology and archaeology sections should be merged. I will expand the archaeology section with the resources i have, i may also add some info about the flora somewhere in the article. as for the history section it really reflects the putrefying common history we have about Lebanon due to our heavily biased education system; It's a mess that intimidates the most experienced of editors :S Now there's also another issue, some sources are quoted out of context, we're in for a challenge guys, i used to dread the day when i would have to do this :S Eli+ 19:31, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yea the article is in bad shape in its present form, but it could be turned around with time and effort. Of course, that's easier said than done. I didn't even think about sources quoted out of context :( Honestly, I don't know too much about Lebanon's pre-Mandate history, but I'll look for some google book sources and post them on this page in a different section. Also, the History of Lebanon article has some info that could be transferred here in reduced form. The idea, of course, isn't to have an extensive History section. The problem is there's virtually nothing about Lebanon's historic past, yet we have a ridiculous amount of info on recent events. Luckily for us, the Lebanese education ministry doesn't edit wikipedia (unless I'm being naive) so I think interested editors shouldn't have to worry too much while working on this aspect of the article. Besides some clean up, I don't if I'll be doing much editing myself but I'll try to contribute what I can. Anyway, good luck everyone! --Al Ameer son (talk) 04:12, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Guys why is there a GDP table in the history section? Eli+ 18:06, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

How appropriate and necessary is it, to put the French name of Lebanon "Liban" in the introduction of the article?

How appropriate and necessary is it, to put the French name of Lebanon "Liban" in the introduction (and info box) of the article? Although Lebanon (as well as Syria, Tunisia, Algeria and Morocco) was ruled as a French mandate and French is widespread as second or third language, Arabic is the only "official national" language of Lebanon according to the (latest) Lebanese constitution, and French is not the official language of Lebanon, and the Lebanese constitution stipulates "A law determines the cases in which the French language is to be used". This is also the case of the other Arab countries which were ruled by France and are much more thoroughly Francophone than Lebanon (except Syria which is even less Francophone than Lebanon), where French is not an official language of these countries and does not have any official status at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.224.7.220 (talk) 01:36, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

mis-cited for claimed hezbollah military infrastructure in southern Beirut

The citation (CNN) does not claim any hezb military infrastructure in southern Beirut. No evidence of rockets ever being fired from southern suburbs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.80.123.44 (talk) 22:48, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Religion

Why are there two pie charts in this section? One is more recent. There are slight differences in the display. Both charts display identical information--same named categories w/same percentages. RaqiwasSushi (talk) 04:02, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Needs map showing at least Lebanon, Syria, Israel

Needs map showing at least Lebanon, Syria, Israel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ocdnctx (talk • contribs) 00:34, 16 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"The Lebanon"?

I have recently come across several instances of someone using "The Lebanon" as the country name and was wondering if that was a common usage. I have been unable to find anything on this page about it. Is this common? If so, where? Is it an ENGVAR issue? --Khajidha (talk) 18:08, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It is an older locution. In the fifties, it was perhaps the dominant form. Since then it has become less common, being replaced by plain "Lebanon." You might try a Google ngram search to track the change (Google ngram doesn't work on my computer, I guess because of the verison of ME it has, so I can't run the numbers myself). Yemen, Gambia and Ukraine have all gone through a similar change. 211.225.34.164 (talk) 13:47, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This article: http://separatedbyacommonlanguage.blogspot.kr/2007/04/gambia-lebanon-etc.html indicates that it is partly a BE/AE difference. 211.225.34.164 (talk) 13:51, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
as two concrete examples, (the) human league (british) had a song entitled "the lebanon" in 1984 -- mentioned in that article -- and christopher lee (british) used it when hosting saturday night live (american) in 1978. the subtitles/transcipts (likely done by americans) just have it as "lebanon", but it's pretty clear he adds "the".
some mention of the issue should be made in the article, IMHO. neither the "history" section nor its linked "main article" give any hint a "the" was ever included. 209.172.23.79 (talk) 01:53, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Phoenician Timeline

I have already brought this up on the user's talk page, [1], but the dates added here are not consistent with most sources. Also the user used another Wikipedia article as a reason to add the content here, which goes against Wikipedia guidelines. ProfessionalScholar (talk) 21:21, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Democratic State

Perhaps the lead of this article could include that Lebanon is a democratic state? Silvertrail (talk) 22:37, 24 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I see it's noted that Lebanon is a Republic but is it not also Democratic? this should be noted, I received no responses in about almost a year, let me know if anyone disagrees that it should be labeled as that. Silvertrail (talk) 21:33, 26 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

TAMMAM SALAM

TAMMAM SALAM DOESN'T HOLD ANY OFFICIAL EXECUTIVE OFFICE UNTIL HE RECEIVES CONFIDENCE FROM THE LEBANESE PARLIAMENT. SO HIS NAME SHOULDN'T BE ADDED TO THE INFOBOX. A.h. king • Talk to me! 21:23, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

French language use

"A law determines in which cases the French language is to be used" (not may be used like someone here tried to insinuate...)95.90.118.201 (talk) 20:01, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ethnicity (religion) in basic fact chart

Why are ethnic breakdowns not included in the fact chart at the top, like it is in the Israel page, for example. Also, do we go off of CIA factbook's religious breakdown or Lebanon official numbers, which are controversial because it is said that the government wants to keep the perception of having more Christians? --Cody.berdinis (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 20:17, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Does the first sentence make sense?

Maybe I'm missing something, but this is what I am seeing among all those parenthetical phrases: "Lebanon, spoken languages. officially the Lebanese Republic, is a country in Western Asia." It seems like the phrase "spoken languages ( Arabic, French and English)." either needs to be parenthesized differently, or placed somewhere else. I'm sure there shouldn't be a period before "officially," at the very least. I didn't want to mess with it in case I'm just looking at it incorrectly. -Michellecornelison (talk) 13:26, 16 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Semi-protected edit request on 3 November 2014

Please change the Religion of Lebanon, it is not Islam nor Christianity, Lebanon has no official state religion. Thank you. RoyHa (talk) 00:27, 3 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Already done, thanks. Materialscientist (talk) 03:32, 3 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ethnic groups

ethnic groups might be : 95% lebanese, 4% Armenian and 1% other (includes Palestinian and Syrian refugees) Thanks for reading !

Why the use of french in showing the name of Lebanon ?

Why do we indicate that Lebanon is "Liban" in French ? What does French have to do with Lebanon ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by GoulGoul1 (talk • contribs) 15:28, 23 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Aramaic name

A minor point, but I noticed that the Aramaic name is misspelled. It should be לבנן, not לבנאן. And if someone is real serious you can also add the name in Syriac script: ܠܒܢܢ.--Zofthej (talk) 22:35, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Lebanon

This edit I made will help people understand how people drive in Lebanon... Hope it helps 2602:306:83BE:4E20:2CDE:4B61:1A7B:8D00 (talk) 17:27, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 24 April 2017

Change Jean Kahwaji to Joseph Aoun 178.135.88.128 (talk) 23:18, 24 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — IVORK Discuss 01:12, 25 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Semi-protected edit request on 5 June 2017

Please change "and Israel to the south" to "and occupied Palestine to the south" Makhaskon (talk) 13:05, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done. There is no consensus established for that point of view. Deli nk (talk) 13:36, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The music section of the article should not be an ode to Lydia Canaan the first rock star of the middle east.

Fairuz, Wadih al Safi, Sabah or other mainstream artists are much more eligible to be mentionned in this section instead of Lydia Canaan. Half of the section is actually about her and there is no mention of Fairuz or the Rahbanis for instance, who have been much more influential to the music of Lebanon and the arab world. 3awil (talk) 18:24, 16 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

lebanon

lebanon is th largest country in the world — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.187.48.146 (talk) 19:30, 4 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Turkish or Ottoman Lebanon

JimPody: it is much more common in english and turkish for it to be called Turkish Lebanon. No, it isn't. The Google search "Ottoman Lebanon" -wikipedia gives 239 hits, while the search "Turkish Lebanon" -wikipedia gives 160 hits. Moreover: Many, perhaps most of the results from the first search actually do contain the combination "Ottoman Lebanon" describing that period of time, while it is difficult to find similar examples of "Turkish Lebanon" from the second search. The results are often of the type "Turkish, Lebanon, or maybe Armenian", "#turkish, #lebanon", "Turkish, Lebanon, Moroccan". "Spanish- greek- Turkish- Lebanon" etc. --T*U (talk) 19:59, 17 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Question about their law

The section about the law in Lebanon says "Capital punishment s still de facto used to sanction certain crimes, but no longer enforced." Shouldn't that be de jure, as it's still a part of their law, rather than de facto, which suggests that it's used, but without legal sanction? I'd change it myself, but I don't know enough about the situation or the terminology to know if my understanding is correct. JDZeff (talk) 21:22, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 January 2018

I need authorization to carry out the following changes on the page "Lebanon":

  • Update map and text in paragraph "Governorates and districts" with the 8 (and not 6) governorates and its relevant districts as per their correct listing in page "Districts of Lebanon".
  • in "Further reading": add:
    • Georges Corm, Le Liban contemporain. Histoire et société (La découverte, 2003 et 2005)
  • "See also": Add:

Change some page links:

Clemens Schmillen (talk) 17:57, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Partly done: Governorates increased in number from 6 to 8. List reorganized with Beirut Governorate listed first, and the other 7 Governorates following in English alphabetical order. Reference updated. Spintendo ᔦᔭ 18:44, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Done:. Everything except for the map, which I'm not sure how to change. Outdated map remove, updated map added. AdA&D 18:56, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 January 2018

Requesting that the following be added, in parentheses, following the Egyptian translit. of 'Rmnn: 𓂋𓏠𓈖𓈖𓈉, as that is the Egyptian term. 72.89.182.55 (talk) 16:20, 26 January 2018 (UTC) 72.89.182.55 (talk) 16:20, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. For multiple reasons: It's not clear what text you would like changed, it's not clear what you want added since the text isn't displayed, and it's not clear why the Egyptian term for (presumably) Lebanon needs to be added. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:23, 27 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Eggishorn: Since every other translation is provided with it's original text, I propose the following:

The name is recorded in Ancient Egyptian as Rmnn, where R stood for Canaanite L

Simply be changed to:

The name is recorded in Ancient Egyptian as Rmnn (𓂋𓏠𓈖𓈖𓈉), where R stood for Canaanite L.

In the "Etymology" section. 72.89.182.55 (talk) 20:41, 1 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Eggishorn: Hello? 72.89.182.55 (talk) 22:53, 8 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 February 2018

Under Civil war and Syrian occupation, it states that '...during which a number of massacres were committed, such as in Damour,[48] in Sabra and Shatila,[49] and in several refugee camps' The massacre in Damour did not occur during this period. It occurred in January 1976. However some of the survivors participated in the subsequent massacres in 1982 mentioned above as revenge killings. Please remove Damour from the quoted sentence as it is seriously misleading and implies that the massacre happened at the same time as Sabra and Chatila. Ljabry (talk) 14:06, 4 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Done The inclusion of Damour in this paragraph is indeed anachronistic and has been removed. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:14, 4 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 February 2018

Fernando kaadou (talk) 22:02, 25 February 2018 (UTC) Lebanon does not have 54% muslim and 41% Christians. Christians are majority[reply]
 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — IVORK Discuss 22:30, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Lebanese pronunciation" of the Arabic name

Why is it written [lɪbˈnæːn] at the beginning of the article? One of the most distinctive features of the Lebanese dialect is the raising of Standard Arabic /a(ː)/ to [e̞(ː)~ɛ(ː)]. There are a few places up north (like Baalbek, I think?) that don't exhibit this raising, but it is absolutely predominant in the rest of Lebanon; as a speaker from the south myself I don't know anyone who doesn't say it [lɪbˈne̞ːn]. Does the current pronunciation have a reliable citation that would justify its not reflecting the common pronunciation?

73.169.192.71 (talk) 05:44, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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